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Title: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 06:53:49 pm
Hi all,
      Quoted a lounge suite today ( 2 seater and chair ) and i'm just a bit unsure of how this is to be cleaned.
Fabric consists of 13% cotton, 44% viscose, 1 % silk,, 34 % cotton chenneille, 8 % linen.     Some advice on this would be great !   Thanks for any comments !!   :)

Geoff
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 07:21:39 pm
Can anyone help ? ???
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: vangaurd on November 20, 2006, 07:27:09 pm
if you do not know how to clean it?
how did you know how much to quote ?
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: the red carpet on November 20, 2006, 07:32:19 pm
Flat fabric or pile?
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 07:32:33 pm
Haven`t quoted on it yet,  Just quoted another suite in main lounge and carpets to 5 bed house
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 07:33:20 pm
pile red
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 20, 2006, 07:34:03 pm
Hi Geoff
Not come accross this fabric mix before.The only danger fibre is the silk.
How dirty is it ?
If it is not too soiled I would be tempted to go with a m/s mist then aggitate with a micro fibre cloth/mitt and a low moisture hwe at mild heat,then turbo dry.
Do the usual bleed/ shrink tests first and clean the back area of the sofa/chair first and dry off to see finish is ok.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: vangaurd on November 20, 2006, 07:35:13 pm
carefull that you dont leave lines in the pile
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 07:39:47 pm
Thanks paul. I've not seen this mix before either and been at this for 7 years, I know silk is risky but only 1 %........makes me wonder why its there. Its ivory in colour and not heavily soiled. HWE no prob and will use chemspec moisture control tool. Chem dry offered to take it on but customer doesn`t know what method they were going to use.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 07:40:45 pm
yeah will brush and towel pile as usual thanks
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Phil Marlor on November 20, 2006, 07:46:59 pm

Here is a good site, might help.

http://www.cleanprosonline.com/Technical_Tips.html

Do all the tests, must say it has a lot of different fabrics, use Microsplitters rather than detergents.

Phil
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 20, 2006, 07:55:58 pm
Silk is prob the strongest fibre out there,it just does not like water as it tends to weaken it and makes it hard on drying.
But as you say the composite percentage is very low, thats why I dont think it will cause a problem.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 08:05:58 pm
Phil, what would be the diff between using m/s and say using prochem pre spray gold ( finely misted on ) with an acid rinse?  Not had anything to do with m/s
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Phil Marlor on November 20, 2006, 08:15:59 pm

Probably not a lot of difference, you need to get feedback from the more experienced on the other boards (they dont come on here very often), I dont pretend to be a chemical expert.

In my experience though, its seems impossible to mess up with Microsplitters, they are so safe to use!

Just being ultra cautious.
Test well!

Phil
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Mike Halliday on November 20, 2006, 08:22:03 pm
set a date to clean it subject to testing.

then when you arrive set up your machinery and clean & dry a section, compare it to the rest, if OK continue.

I'm thinking of putting this paragraph into my documents so I can cut & paste it, I seem to write it at least once a month.

this statement answer most of the 'how do i..... question asked on these forums ;) ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: the red carpet on November 20, 2006, 08:25:28 pm
I wouldnt worry about the silk as at 1% it might as not be in there

So its basically 1/2 cotton and half viscose

Should you clean a pile suite with such a high proportion of viscose ???

Iv seen 100% viscose pile go badly wrong before, iv heard a few horror stories about them on here, and was told not to wet clean them on a iicrc upholstery course, as far as im aware its really a dry clean fabric.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 08:34:16 pm
Theres a label on there red, don,t wet clean, don't dry clean. A bit conflicting to say the least !!!!!!!! Cleaned an m & s rug 2 weeks ago, 80 % wool 20 % viscose.... was fine with pre spray gold / acid rinse / turbo dryer. I reall dunno about this one!! Might just take mikes advice but more comments welcome!! ;D
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 20, 2006, 08:42:17 pm
Viscose is fine to wet clean, Red its the natural velvets you have to watch out for.
The cotton is the only danger as it is a cellulistic fibre but with the correct acid rinse and turbo drying you will be ok. :)
Just test,test and test first  ;)
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 20, 2006, 08:45:32 pm
Alot of the time the manufacurers put on the suites label DONT WET CLEAN as this can remove or dilute the fire retardent that is in the fabric.
That a good reason why I would use m/s on this as it does not take remove or alter the fire retardent or protectors that might be insitu.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 08:49:42 pm
Thanks Paul  :)
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: BRSL on November 20, 2006, 09:19:11 pm
Heloooooo Geoff

I believe that viscose can shrink as it absorbs water at an alarming rate so be carefull that it's not been streached tightly over the frame as it could split

James
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 20, 2006, 09:23:56 pm
Helloooooooo jay. I'm really twitchy about this one now!!! Do chemdry use hot solvent as apparently they didn`t hesitate about the suite though gave nothing away about method of cleaning. They`re charging £340 per 3 piece suite in Wrexham area now  :o :o
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: matt jones on November 20, 2006, 09:56:29 pm
I thought viscous rayon was a natural velvet and was also told it was a no no to wet clean.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 20, 2006, 10:01:03 pm
I think you will find this to be  viscose velor which it a synthetic fibre and easy to wet clean with no shrinkage.
If it is rayon or has any rayon in it DONT hwe it unles you know exactly what you are doing as rayon will disintergrate under pressure from water and will disolve in front of your eyes. :o
However I dont think this composite blend has any rayon in.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: mark_roberts on November 20, 2006, 10:09:48 pm
I thought viscose was another word for rayon!

Anyway do what Mike says.

And contact Derek Bolton as hes the only voice on upholstery worth listening too and not this lot.

Mark
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on November 20, 2006, 10:36:50 pm
Viscose does funny things when wet, colour bleed can occur also the pile goes very hard when wet cleaned although sometimes can be 'brushed up'.

Shrinkage isn't really top of the list but it goes very weak when wet and can stay wet longer than any other fabric so if you were to wet clean it take a few turbo driers.

Be very careful but it's do-able.

Shaun
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: matt jones on November 20, 2006, 10:48:09 pm
viscose is another word for rayon, and viscose velour is a natural velvet, velour being french term for velvet i think, it is not synthetic im pretty sure on that. And i'm sure it is a no no when it comes to hwe i'm surprised you don't know that paul as i am a newbie i'm pretty sure what i have said to be correct but if i'm wrong them i blame the prochem trainers as this is what i was told  :) plus it is also in there manual.
matt
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Mark Roberts on November 20, 2006, 10:55:31 pm
Viscose is a process used to make rayon, hence why viscose is known as rayon.

As Shaun says its dodgy stuff that has caught out many.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: the red carpet on November 20, 2006, 11:33:50 pm
not saying im right, but to my knowledge viscose and rayon are the same things

And in the couple of instances iv seen and heard about, the pile matts up and goes rock hard.

This is on pile fabrics, not flat fabrics that are 100% viscose.

Yours is about 50/50 cotton and viscose so you could treat it as either, but is it worth the risk?

My advice, dry clean or walk away
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Derek on November 21, 2006, 06:26:31 am
Some of the things I am reading on here are frightening me too... let me try to gather it all together...

Viscose Rayon is a regenerated fibre made from cotton/wood dissolved in cellulose. It tests like cotton but can lose up to 70% of its strength when wet.....so no severe agitation.
In its pile form it can cause problems if wet cleaned but it can sometimes be difficult to identify as the manufacturers are very clever. Other similar looking products are...cotton velvet (dry clean)..Acrylic pile fabrics (wet clean)...Flock fabrics (some are wet clean only whilst others are dry clean only)...Viscose Rayon pile fabric (dry clean).. some cleaners do wet clean if excessively dirty but fibres will swell and there will be a loss of 'feel'

That sounds easy but the manufacturers are good at making them all look and feel the same...identify is the key issue...every time

In its woven form Viscose Rayon can be wet cleaned with care...just watch colours which may bleed and weaknesses, usually in the main body contact areas
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: alan williams on November 21, 2006, 12:50:21 pm
Derek Bolton has summed this up very well.

If, I was cleaning this I would wet clean the ZIP END of a cushion first. Dry with a hairdryer or allow to dry naturally. Then. I would compare the before and after. (appearance & feel)

With regards to CHENILLE I have experienced customers dissatisfaction with pressure marks that tend to look like SHADING of the fabric, soon after they have used there upholstery. ???

Good Luck

Alan
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 21, 2006, 04:31:41 pm
Matt
If you read my response you would understand that viscose is a synthetic composite fabric and depending on the composite can be wet cleaned with no problems.
However Rayon viscose can be dangerouse to wet clean dependant on  volume,age and wear ( as Derek has described)
So you fully understand this ( as a newby) may be worth while reading the following;

Viscose is a blend of synthetic fibres.

Viscose was first used for coating fabrics which it did quite successfully in the late eighties. However, when Cross and his partners tried to make solid objects like umbrella handles they were found to be much too brittle.

Further development led to Viscose being spun into thread for embroidery and trimmings. Eventually, after Samuel Courtauld & Co. had taken over in 1904, Viscose manufacture became big business. By the twenties and thirties it had almost completely replaced the traditional cotton and wool for women’s stockings and underwear. Similar changes occurred in the US and in Europe, too. Viscose was also being used for linings and furnishing fabrics; providing the staple for towels and table-cloths and was being made into high tenacity yarn for tires. Yet other uses included the manufacture of sponges and absorbent cloths.


Rayon or Rayon viscose

Rayon is a generic term, coined in 1924, for artificial textile
 material composed of reconstituted, regenerated, and purified cellulose derived from plant sources. Developed in the late 19th century as a substitute for silk, this first semi-synthetic fibre is sometimes misnamed “artificial silk.”

 ;)



Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Kev Loomes on November 21, 2006, 06:18:09 pm
As far as I am aware, there is only one viscose. Essentially viscose ISN'T synthetic.

Derek has explained the process exactly. Slightly expanding, yes it IS man made - but from natural elements (again, as Derek explains). Just because something is man made, doesnt mean it's synthetic which is a misconception.

Viscose usually in woven form is fine and can be wet cleaned, but must never be wet cleaned in pile form - otherwise 9 times out of ten you'll own the suite. Sensible opinions have been expressed - basically by testing first.

If the mix of fibres originally mentioned are in pile form, just be careful. Good luck!
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Mike Osbourne on November 21, 2006, 06:24:24 pm
Strictly speaking Kevin it is synthetic, but I know what you are getting at.

Definitions

1. Relating to, involving, or of the nature of synthesis.
2. Chemistry Produced by synthesis, especially not of natural origin.
3.
a. Not natural or genuine; artificial or contrived: "counterfeit rhetoric that flourishes when passions are synthetic" George F. Will.
b. Prepared or made artificially: synthetic leather. See Synonyms at artificial.
4. Linguistics Relating to or being a language, such as Latin or Russian, that uses inflectional affixes to express syntactic relationships.
5. Logic & Philosophy Relating to or being a proposition that attributes to a subject a predicate not inherent in the subject and that does not result in a contradiction if negated.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Mark Roberts on November 21, 2006, 06:49:56 pm
Seems there is a lot of confusion about viscose and rayon...there is no difference...

The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) prefers the name viscose for rayon (regenerated cellulose) obtained by the viscose process. The name viscose was derived from the word viscous, which describes the liquid state of the spinning solution used to make rayon.

The Viscose process is the most common and recognized process for making rayon and this is where the confusion lies, at first it was called viscose because of the way it was made, then they changed it too rayon in 1924, now the Iso people like to call viscose rayon just viscose.

It is not a natural fibre, and its not synthetic. It is a fibre formed by regenerating natural materials into a usable form.


Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 21, 2006, 07:34:00 pm
What the hell have I started???  ??? ::) ;D :P
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 21, 2006, 07:35:09 pm
I reaaly think i'm gonna pass on this suite....... just bought a new one .... don't need another   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 21, 2006, 07:37:47 pm
 ;D
A good debate.

I think on this one guy's it is mainly a difference of terminology that we are using that may be confusing.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: BRSL on November 21, 2006, 07:44:18 pm
This is what one of my manuals reads !! sorry about the length of post  ;)

D. Rayon
In a search for a product that could match silk, a Frenchman by the name of Count Hilaire de Chandonnet developed the first "man made" fiber. In 1891, he dissolved the pulp of mulberry trees (since silkworms fed on the leaves) in chemicals and forced the solution through a metal plate with tiny holes in it. It was then exposed to heated air, or chemicals, to harden the solution into a filament fiber. This process of taking a cellulose material, decomposing it and regenerating it with a new and more useful form, produces what is know today as a "regenerated cellulose" fiber.

This was how we came to have what is more commonly known as rayon. It is one of the more interesting fabrics, since it is man made and yet the material is actually natural cellulose with characteristics and properties of cellulose fibers. It is the natural side of rayon that we as cleaners are concerned with so we list it as natural.
The manufacture of rayon is different today than it was when Count Hilaire de Chardonnet invented and produced it in the 19th century. New and better processes have improved the quality and strength of rayon fibers.

Rayon is a filament fiber that can be cut into staple fibers, as desired. A cross section view of it shows it to be very irregular shape. It can be made into any shape desired by shaping the holes on the spinnerette. Usually, it is the jagged irregular shape that is preferred. Rayon has a very high luster and is often treated with titanium dioxide to reduce the brightness or "de-luster" the fibers.
It is possible to add color to the fiber while it is in a viscose (liquid) state prior to passing it through the spinnerette. This is termed "solution dyeing". It provides a stable color that is actually part of the fiber itself. However, this is not generally preferred by manufacturers. Rayon fibers are usually manufactured months before they are made into fabrics and, since color trends change so rapidly in the textile industry, it is better to dye the fibers, yarns, or fabric at the mill.
Rayon is inherently weak. It does not have the regular chains of molecules that other natural fibers develop in growth, since it has been decomposed and regenerated. Therefore, the molecules are randomly stuck together and have little natural strength. It is manufactured today with wood pulp and a small percentage of cotton linters (the short cotton fibers not use in the manufacture of cotton). This has improved its strength since its original form, but not much.
When wet, its strength decreases markedly. Remember how wood softens in water, and it is easy to see how weak rayon becomes, especially when you realize how thin it is as a fiber.
It is also more absorbent than even cotton or linen. The fibers actually swell with water. This causes the wall of the fiber to become thinner and, therefore, weaker.
Rayon is very unstable in its length. It is easily shrunk and does not return to normal length easily. This is apparent in rayon upholstery fabrics. When it is wet, it will shrink easily. Sometimes, if it is stretched tightly over a frame and water is applied, it will shrink and tear, due to its weakness. Unlike cotton and linen, rayon does not shrink out the manufacturer's stretch the first time it is preshrunk. Every time it gets wet it will shrink a little more. Most rayon fabrics are preshrunk and then treated with resins to reduce the problem.
Sunlight will damage rayon faster than the other cellulose fibers. Therefore, it is not good for draperies. Rayon cannot take high temperatures when dry.
There is very little pure rayon upholstery fabrics on the market today. it is used as a blend with acetate, cotton or other fibers. It can be wet cleaned as easily as other fabrics with basically the same precautions. Don't over-wet or use strong chemicals on rayon. And, as always, check for color stability prior to cleaning.
Rayon will support mildew. The only insect that attacks rayon is the silverfish.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 21, 2006, 07:50:16 pm
Jay...... my mind is blown with this topic............I want to hang mysel   :o  ;D  ;Df
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Derek on November 22, 2006, 07:14:11 am
I am not sure when the above article was originally published but I do know that Rayon blends in fabrics have risen in recent years so that a ninety percent rayon content is not uncommon  ...reason...its cheap to produce and looks nice.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: alan williams on November 22, 2006, 11:44:31 am
The poor man, he only wanted to know how to clean it.

My advice would be.

     (1)  Pre-Test by cleaning Zip End of cushion. You could do a Wet Crock Test
            at this point also.
     (2)  When dry, brush up the pile, then check for softness to touch, colour
            transfer and compare this with the rest of the fabric.
     (3)  If you would like to know anymore about VISCOSE look under RAYON in
            the encyclopaedia.
     (4)   Spend time and go on some good upholstery course such as the NCCA
            or IICRC.
            YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SPEND AS MUTCH TIME AS POSSIBLE ON TRAINING
            COURCES.     
            You can always meet poeple who are in the same boat as you.
            GO FOR IT.

There is also a good FABRIC CLEANING AND CARE MANUAL out there which you can obtain from Chemspec.  I would strongly recommend you purchase this as
it has a wealth of information at you fingertips.     
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: alan williams on November 22, 2006, 11:48:11 am
The poor man, he only wanted to know how to clean it.

My advice would be.

     (1)  Pre-Test by cleaning Zip End of cushion. You could do a Wet Crock Test
            at this point also.
     (2)  When dry, brush up the pile, then check for softness to touch, colour
            transfer and compare this with the rest of the fabric.
     (3)  If you would like to know anymore about VISCOSE look under RAYON in
            the encyclopaedia.
     (4)   Spend time and go on some good upholstery course such as the NCCA
            or IICRC.
            YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SPEND AS MUTCH TIME AS POSSIBLE ON TRAINING
            COURCES.    
            You can always meet poeple who are in the same boat as you.
            GO FOR IT.

There is also a good FABRIC CLEANING AND CARE MANUAL out there which you can obtain from Chemspec.  I would strongly recommend you purchase this as
it has a wealth of information at you fingertips.      
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 22, 2006, 06:15:12 pm
Done IICRC and woolsafe but a few years ago. Was working for someone, but when you work for yourself the jobs that go wrong are at your own  risk and come out of your own pocket when they go wrong. If in doubt then walk away.. like I have
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Derek on November 22, 2006, 07:32:15 pm
Alan

Hope you are keeping well young man

The Chemspec upholstery book is good but you have to remember that it refers to fabrics in the US of A .. this does not always reflect the UK market
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: alan williams on November 23, 2006, 11:21:46 am
Derek

I am keeping quite well thank you , I am enjoying the chat I thought you would get in the last word.

Regards 

Alan
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Derek on November 23, 2006, 05:47:12 pm
Did you get another van then Alan?
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: alan williams on November 24, 2006, 01:48:20 pm
Not yet enjoying life???

All the best

Alan
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: *paul_moss on November 24, 2006, 07:37:06 pm
 ::) ::)
Its like all our yesterdays  ;D
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on November 24, 2006, 10:07:32 pm
something we sometimes forget being self employed, at least there's no time to be depressed ;D

Shaun
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 11:56:47 am
Hi all,
      Quoted a lounge suite today ( 2 seater and chair ) and i'm just a bit unsure of how this is to be cleaned.
Fabric consists of 13% cotton, 44% viscose, 1 % silk,, 34 % cotton chenneille, 8 % linen.     Some advice on this would be great !   Thanks for any comments !!   :)

Geoff

This is worrying. If you don't know how to clean this product then you shouldn't be in business, IMO. You should have completed training courses and worked with a reputable cleaning company before leashing yourself into the wild west. Have you enough money to replace the suite should it all go wrong? Or are you willing to claim on your insurance and load the premiums next year? I fear that there are far too many people who just buy a cheap machine and off they go as a 'professional' carpet cleaner.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: gwrightson on November 25, 2006, 12:06:11 pm
rossina , i thinking your a lttle on the stupid side, why are you trying to belittle people ?

the reason he is asking for advice is so he does not do what you are implying  that is why !!! 
can you not see that??

I wonder why you wernt forth coming with advise!!!!!!!!!!! strange really!!

Geoff.
ps, I imagining your sat googling , how to clean suites now Ross
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 12:10:46 pm
No I'm not stupid, especially as I have created a massive company in property development and management. For you not to take my advise is STUPID!   ;D

Am I not allowed to express MY opinions, after all, this is a democratic forum, is it not??
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Damian on November 25, 2006, 12:22:37 pm
Rosina-you seem to be not giving advice? If you really wanted to help then you would have applied yourself in a more proffesional manner and simply proffered advice on how to clean such said upholstery. However the best you seem to manage is to condemn and critisize! That is no way to behave on a "democratic forum" and you are really showing your true colours now.

Damian.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: dave401uk on November 25, 2006, 12:25:32 pm
Rosina, wouldn't it be nice ::) if you could post on the positive side of things,just for a change,people come to the forum for help and advice,but then if you know every thing,why would you want to be here, Ive been a c/c for over 25 yrs,and am still learning,nor am i afraid to admit it,

Dave
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Damian on November 25, 2006, 12:25:54 pm
P.S how is the list coming along? Am i on it yet? I really want to be with the "in" gang!  ;D

Damian.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 12:26:23 pm
Rosina-you seem to be not giving advice? If you really wanted to help then you would have applied yourself in a more proffesional manner and simply proffered advice on how to clean such said upholstery. However the best you seem to manage is to condemn and critisize! That is no way to behave on a "democratic forum" and you are really showing your true colours now.

Damian.

Have you looked back at some of your posts, they criticize, condemn, and hang other members - that's the pot calling the kettle black!!  ;D  ;D  ;D  :D
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 12:28:14 pm
You have been mentioned, however, not enough times compared to a certain 5 other members. I now have just over 700 emails but it's slowing down now.   :)
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Adam Young on November 25, 2006, 12:29:33 pm
Pre spay gold and then Fibre and fabric rinse.....Dry it as fast as possible,l If its dry before you leave, stay at eas 8)
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Adam Young on November 25, 2006, 12:34:33 pm
P.s take some of the reply's on here as complete B*ll*it

Adam.

Take care.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Damian on November 25, 2006, 12:42:17 pm
Rosina i am upset that i'm not one of the top 5! Oh well must try harder ;D When are you taking over the reigns of the forum? Oh and also-a small question-do you have a "mini-me" mmmm? lol

Damian.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 12:42:51 pm
Rosina, wouldn't it be nice ::) if you could post on the positive side of things,just for a change,people come to the forum for help and advice,but then if you know every thing,why would you want to be here, Ive been a c/c for over 25 yrs,and am still learning,nor am i afraid to admit it,

Dave

Somehow I missed your post. My posts are positive, they are only negative when someone else posts rubbish about my company on here. I don't profess to know everything, however, I have been successful in business for many years and I must be doing something right!?? If you've been a carpet cleaner for 25 years and are not in a position to employ staff and are still working IN your business, then yes, your not a success. On the other hand, if you have expanded in that time turningover in excess of £250k per annum, have staff and are working ON your business, then yes you have been successful. I wonder which is it in YOUR case?

ps. bullsh*t is a strong word for a little one man band Adam.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 12:44:19 pm
Rosina i am upset that i'm not one of the top 5! Oh well must try harder ;D When are you taking over the reigns of the forum? Oh and also-a small question-do you have a "mini-me" mmmm? lol

Damian.

Yes, I am too (looking back at your posts). Disgraceful behaviour!!
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 25, 2006, 12:45:01 pm
Anyhow, got to go to play cricket - see you all later chaps  :)  ;)
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Damian on November 25, 2006, 12:48:12 pm
Hope you dont get a googlie in the box!

Damian.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Phil Marlor on November 25, 2006, 01:28:53 pm

Dave

however, I have been successful in business for many years and I must be doing something right!?? If you've been a carpet cleaner for 25 years and are not in a position to employ staff and are still working IN your business, then yes, your not a success. On the other hand, if you have expanded in that time turningover in excess of £250k per annum, have staff and are working ON your business, then yes you have been successful. I wonder which is it in YOUR case?


Rosina,

I aim to be as great as you one day! ::)

Tell me,  what is your 1 special piece of advise you would give to someone who longs to get to the very top like you are?

Phil
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: cleaning co on November 25, 2006, 02:06:48 pm
 :-X  ;)
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: dave401uk on November 25, 2006, 03:18:52 pm
With the long list of work you appear to be doing and all your top end clients.and not forgetting the £90 sq mtr carpet that you clean, and you only turn over 250k,something smells here,the name ron king comes to mind, or day dreamer

Dave
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Kev Loomes on November 25, 2006, 04:03:53 pm
No I'm not stupid, especially as I have created a massive company in property development and management.

Hi Rosina

Just as an observation (I havent really got a clue whats been going on with all this tit for tat on the forum, and dont particularly want to get involved), but on noticing your above statement something is bugging me a bit.

I thought that it would be a good idea to at least let everyone know what company you run and have a bit more detail on your profile so people know where your coming from - if you know what I mean. Also briefly outline what on earth your doing on a carpet cleaning forum when your property development business is that successful. I thought you would have more important things to do, surely?

Are you expanding into this market on a massive scale to go hand in hand with the property side of things? It would be nice to know... ;D

No offence, I just cant get my head round it ???
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on November 25, 2006, 05:34:13 pm
Hi all,
      Quoted a lounge suite today ( 2 seater and chair ) and i'm just a bit unsure of how this is to be cleaned.
Fabric consists of 13% cotton, 44% viscose, 1 % silk,, 34 % cotton chenneille, 8 % linen.     Some advice on this would be great !   Thanks for any comments !!   :)

Geoff

This is worrying. If you don't know how to clean this product then you shouldn't be in business, IMO. You should have completed training courses and worked with a reputable cleaning company before leashing yourself into the wild west. Have you enough money to replace the suite should it all go wrong? Or are you willing to claim on your insurance and load the premiums next year? I fear that there are far too many people who just buy a cheap machine and off they go as a 'professional' carpet cleaner.

Rosina, you obviously have issues with helping people, I think its probably because you don't know the answer or your in a funny mood cos you're due on.
We're all on here to... 1) help each other.....2 ) have a laugh, we're not on here to slag each other or each others business off.
IF YOU`VE NOTHING USEFUL TO SAY THEN GO AND HIBERNATE  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Robert Watson on November 25, 2006, 06:10:34 pm
Getting right on my nerves.
Don`t even know the dudes name.
Seen it before fast poster, then never to be seen again.
I`m not buying any of it.

"what on earth your doing on a carpet cleaning forum when your property development business is that successful."

Exactly Dave.

Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Robert Watson on November 25, 2006, 06:31:38 pm
Oh Aye.
Looking through back posts, how sad is that?  :-\

Anyway
Good Luck to us all.
Rab
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ollie on November 25, 2006, 11:10:10 pm
rosina.. very ,very sad, my brother has a succesful business earning alot of money and still has time to help newcomers into his industry (water) and he doesnt boast about money earned. i only come on here now and again but when i see people like you posting it makes me laugh...most self employed people are just glad not to have to "work for the man" and have no aspirations to own a hugely succesfull company such as yours...whats it called again?? why dont you spend your time socialising with the big movers instead of logging onto this site and slagging off sole traders and small business owners?? you are either a liar or a very, very, very sad and lonely succesful business person.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: carpetguy on November 26, 2006, 09:41:42 am
Definitely not Ron.........he's not too well these days, but still active on another board.

As far as turning over £250k p.a...........that's nothing special...........we exceed that in our other business and I turned over a similar figure, over 20 years ago, which would equate to about £800k today..........so what.

I never found it necessary to bragg about it, or claim to be a super duper businessman because I happened to be doing the right thing at the right time.

Incidentally, if I was paying out salaries and expenses to " managers " from such a small turnover ( £250k ) there would'nt be much left for me !

robbie
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: ROSINA INVESTMENTS LIMITED on November 26, 2006, 09:58:26 am
and you only turn over 250k,
Dave


Read the post again properly, I never said MY company turns over £250k!!
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Atlantic Cleaning on November 26, 2006, 10:43:57 am
Rosina For a person who boasts all the time about your success and intelligence you really have come across a little naive and stupid.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Kev Loomes on November 26, 2006, 11:23:51 am
Where's Rosina's post from this morning where she explained that this forum is 'wee' and how much she and her colleagues laugh at all the small people on this site?

Have the moderators been busy? Or has she deleted it herself?

Come on Rosina, at least give some details about yourself so that people dont judge you instantly (and I dont blame them). Dont remain anonymous - people will warm to you more if they 'know you'

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Kev Loomes on November 26, 2006, 12:42:45 pm
Ah,here it is:

Rosina Investments Ltd [QUOTE:]

I certainly do spend time with the BIG movers but I only came across this wee forum a few days ago and was just amazed at how the other half or LITTLE so called businessmen operate and talk. You all seem so set in your ways, not prepared to receive advice, argue amongst yourselves, and talk as if you operated a National Network   I'm sorry but I have to laugh! One of my colleagues has now logged on and some of you guys are the laugh of our social gatherings, especially the ones who take the carrot!!

[END QUOTE]
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: carpetguy on November 26, 2006, 01:27:20 pm
I may be wrong..............but this smells of a Jersey based operator, or colleague, or pal of same.

They attempted to cause chaos on here recently and a couple of regulars on here were draughted in as moderators.

I know one of these guys has since quit their board, I was banned in less than 24 hours, for something minor.

robbie

ps

I have owned and worked in large businesses in the past and the only people who would talk and behave the way these prats are talking, are the losers, at the bottom of the heap, who will never be anything else.

I suggest you do not respond to any postings

I would be happy to supply full name address, trading name, etc to site owners, not for public viewing, but for screening, monitoring

robbie



robbie
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: Geoff Jewkes on December 14, 2006, 05:10:59 pm
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons............ 2 days ago, wet cleaned a suite, 57 % viscose, 43 % polyester. Phoned customer today, she`s over the moon and say it looks superb!!!!
Title: Re: Lounge suite
Post by: the red carpet on December 15, 2006, 08:31:21 pm
I done one today aswell 43% viscose, piece of cake, cleaned up a treat
a really easy suite to clean, dont be afraid of them ;)