Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on November 03, 2006, 07:24:22 am
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anyone tried using microsplitters for leather cleaning?
I tried it on my own suite and a footstool yesterday and it worked better than the foam cleaner I was using.
spray on massage it in with a soft bristle brush, wipe off with a damp towel, dry with dry towel and they protect the normal way.
Mike
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most of the time mike,
only once did i not get decent results, and that was with denim on a crream suite,
Geoff
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chris straker and i did some experiments with m/s on leather and though some experts in the field will disagree we got good results though i do not use them now as i have found a cleaner that suits me better and easy to apply
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Using a foam cleaner on leather has been proved to be the safest way to clean as if you use a normal liquid you can get streaks if it is allowed to run and these are in some instances irrepairable.
Foam also cleans from down in the grain pattern if there is one and therfore gives a more efficient clean.
The cleaning that was done down on the Farnham course with m/s which is what is being referred to showed that they do work on leather but Andy was not prepared to accept that as a definitive test, m/s have not been fully road tested for leather whereas others have.
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I rubbed some mpower on my leather suite on Monday looks good!! allthough i think i will stick to the ltt products.
Pete so how was your first year in business, you seem to have come furthrer than most in their 1st year! have you enjoyed it?
Nick
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so why not road test m/s on leather if this the only reason you dont reccomend?
I have found lighly misted, worked in with a soft brush, surly this penetrates the grain as well as foam :-\ a once over with a micro fibre cloth , then a good toweling give good results
Geoff
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Hi Guys,
I too have tried MS on leather with good results and I'm sure any surfactant based product , such as MP, Nemesis,Multipro,Ultrapac renovate etc will clean pigmented leather, BUT what will it do the finish ?
It's a bit like using a really high pH on everything , it will clean well but there will be other problems as we well know.
Tread with caution ;)
Cheers
Doug
p.s. It looks really professional using the foaming bottles .
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I rubbed some mpower on my leather suite on Monday looks good!! allthough i think i will stick to the ltt products.
Pete so how was your first year in business, you seem to have come furthrer than most in their 1st year! have you enjoyed it?
Nick
hi nick i am loving it even though it has been hard work in some way getting here. i still thank you for allowing me to come on a job with you which was a good experience for me. i would recommend anyone starting up to spend a day with someone established
work is now coming in steadily though not flooded out yet but in a few months i think i will be on the way. decided to stop decorating all together and take a chance doing the cc full time but i wont sell the van just yet.
what i have realised is that more time is spent on promoting than actually cleaning and even though its expensive in time and money
but is the key to building a client base. some areas just do not work such as radio adverts which are expensive and not the right media for our game.
i have met some good people in this game who have helped me along the way . this business must be unique as the amount of people willing to help others is astounding. i would like to think i need not pick up a paint brush again unless its for my own house
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I rubbed some mpower on my leather suite on Monday looks good!!
Look at this old penny that I cleaned with mpower!!
Oh, sorry, that's Cillit Bang!
;D
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I can only see 2 arguments so for not to use M/S for leather cleaning 1) it will leave streaks on the leather when it runs down & 2) it may harm the finish
1 is easy to solve, be careful and apply it to a cloth rather than directly to the leather.
so we are left with 2 'it may harm the finish'
any comments on this?
the foam cleaner I have is Ph 9-10, M/S are Ph 7-8 so obviously the Ph doesn't effect the finish.
Mike
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I will add one more argument for not using m/s om leather.
If you have a problem and a claim arises would you still be insured after you tell them you used a product that in theory is not meant for leather?
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I use vinegar to clean carpets, it doesn't say on the bottle 'for carpet cleaning' will this also invalidate my insurance ;)
Mike
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So why are we always being told the best thing for a customer to use on Leather is luke warm water instead of all the conditioning creams etc.
Isn't Microsplitter as safe as water, I use microsplitter all the time for Leather, although I wouldn't touch the more expensive Leathers, however 95% of them out there seem to be cheap "Land of Leather" type suites.
Phil
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Quite possible it might. We do a lot of insurance work and quite often the policy covering the item is invalided because of products that have been used on it.
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Yes many times Mike, used as per your method with a fresh water rinse to finish off with.Then protect.
Customers happy with end results, with no adverse affects to finish to date.
Colin.
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What do you use to " protect" the leather after cleaning with ms ?
I have only ever used chemspec leather cleaner and conditioner ( cream), one application, with soft brush and towels. Great results.
thanks
Chris
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so why not road test m/s on leather if this the only reason you dont reccomend?
Because they DONT SELL MS ;D
No money in recommending something that you dont sell !
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good point Chris ;D
I am getting slow on the take up ;)
Geoff
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I've been using M/S on leather for years, including my own suite. It does an excellent job !
I finish with a light covering of conditioner.
You do have to be careful not to get runs, but this is easy to avoid by using a fine mist & doing a section at a time. would not attempt on analine though !
Bryan
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Why not clean with MS, then apply a conditioner and the put on a finish it's easy enough, apply a protector and walk out a richer person.
Shaun
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Any particular type of micro splitter ?
Would you use the wool safe type?
What do you find is best to condition the leather with?
regards
Chris
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Chris
Not being a leather expert http://www.sovereign-publications.com/autoglym.htm look at the names and queen’s endorsement don’t get that on any cc products. ;D
Len
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Len i do you auto glymm leather conditioner ,
found it good
Geoff
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Geoff
Yes, but once advised I shouldn’t, do need to get on a course just booked. Hope its not rocket science like cc
Len
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You do not need to 'condition' leather as the water will do this, what you need is a protector to protect the finish. Conditioners that contain oils and waxes will leave a residue on the surface which will attract more dirt.
Microsplitters may well work OK on leather but there are still no long term results as to what they do to the finish. Unless you know the potential harm a product can do and know how to check to see whether anything is happening how do you know it is doing no damage? Why not use products thta have been tested properly and for years on leather so you know they are OK?
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Where do you guys get the m/s from??
John
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Amtechuk.biz
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If a suite is filthy i will clean with m/s first to get rid of main dirt then move onto ltt leather cleaner.
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What do you do after cleaning leather with m/s?? Rinse the leather with water then dry it with a towel? or is this not neccessary?
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I used to clean with MS but it can take the finish off, I would advise you to look at what the suppliers sell ie LTT and Furniture Clinic they offer a foaming cleaner which acts as a lubricant when cleaning and you don't even need much and the water usage is less so no mess, I can even clean a suite quicker with foam.
I know Roger Koh uses quite alot of cleaning agents but I don't believe that most are required for alot of the UK market I would recommend for Xmas that you ask Santa for a training day at LTT it's worth the money ....but only if you've been good.
Shaun
BTW I went to repair a leather suite cleaned by god knows what by another cleaner he peeled of the finish and it looked like the leather was coming off and he fled the customer thought it was recked but because of good training I cleaned it and re applied finish and got a tidy sum. (Judy and Andy have come across this cleaner once before the guy who told your sandwiches were rubbish)
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Could you name specifically which product to get, and also what type of cloths is best to use, just a terry towel? thanks
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I use Ultra clean applied through a foaming bottle and aggitated with a sponge and wiped with towels, I find that an averagely soiled leather suite which are usually bigger in size than a fabric one but with less cushions or sometimes none can take only an hour, I bet Robert has got it down to 45 minutes but he's a competitive scotsman ;D
Shaun
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I know Roger Koh uses quite alot of cleaning agents but I don't believe that most are required for alot of the UK market I would recommend for Xmas that you ask Santa for a training day at LTT it's worth the money ....but only if you've been good.
Shaun
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Nasty ballpoint-ink stains, tenacious blue-jeans dye-transfer stains or greasy and oily stains build-up that fills the valley of pastel colored leathers will be problems of the past.
This thicker than honey pH 7.7 strong prep cleaner does it all for removing all foreign contamination to the topcoat.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/1strongPrepCleaner.jpg)
I just simply agitate and spread this thick “honey gel” and stretch it as thin as possible for an even coverage.
It will not streak as it is as sticky as honey.
And I can let it work as long as I like even leaving it for one or two days sometimes with even better result on those nasty ballpoint ink.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/2spreadandagitate.jpg)
Step 2 is to spray a pH 3.8 leather-safe all purpose cleaner and extract.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/4Extract.jpg)
What do you think is Step 3?
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor®
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Cash in hand?
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Step 3 - advertise more products in long-winded posts with photos that MAKE THE FORUM TOO BLOODY WIDE TO READ
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Which M/S would anyone recommend for leather cleaning??
John
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Cheeky basket
I love cleaning leather Shaun and have tried just about everything including m/s and colloidals, but mainly with foam and a variety of brushes / sponges.
If I spray m/s I'll have run over each cushion with a wet towel first which overcomes the streaking problem.
Only fixed cushion and lightly soiled suites in 45 mins more like 60 mins for a clean although I did one last week which had been " cleaned " with a variety of wipes, think one type was full of lanolin.
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Roger
You say you are removing contamination from top coat.
Maybee and I SAY Maybee you are taking off top coat
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Roger
You say you are removing contamination from top coat.
Maybee and I SAY Maybee you are taking off top coat
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I appreciate your interest!
Be wise as the proverbial phrase – The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
So let’s do the testing, PM me for more details!
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor®