Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: davep on November 02, 2006, 03:40:40 pm
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Does anyone use this mix for upholstery? Fibre Buff/Fibre Shampoo/Oxybrite (prochem) Extract with Fibre rinse.
Was told it works a treat :P
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Prochem recommends this cocktail for coffee, tea and jute browning stains.
I would not consider this a safe mix for the average suite.
Nick
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I have used this cocktail on a number of accasions with great success.
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It's one of the tools in my box for problem solving. Pre-Micro-splitters it was my prefered method of cleaning flat weaves. Having the acidic buffer really takes the aggresive edge off the oxybrite.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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On the prochem course i'm sure they used this mixture on a cotton print cushion with amazing results been wanting to try it but haven't got round to it yet.
matt
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this is what i got taught on the NCCA course for cleaning upholstery and used it on nearly all suite cleaning until i started using Microsplitters.
Mike
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Why has the mixture, or similar not been blended and put on sale ???????????????
robbie
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am i right in thinking that with this mixture you apply the foam, using a sponge. well i think that's what the guy's at prochem done and they just let it dry, not sure if you are suppose to extract with fibre & fabric rinse though?
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Robbie
A chemical reaction takes place when mixing the 3 chemicals with hot water.The foam created is then rubbed into the flock and extracted after a dwell time or can be added after the clean to act as a bloomer.
The mixture will only last about 20 minutes or until the water has cooled so therefore cannot be pre made.
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20 minutes aint long, lots of differsnt buckets to fill! How hot should the water be Paul?
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Care needs to be taken when cleaning deep dyed fabrics or you could lose colour
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The Prochem Course manual states that Oxibrite & Fibrebuff are bleaches and they are usually mixed with B105 Fibre Shampoo. Fibre and Fabric Rinse is an Acidic Neutralising Rinse and Dye Stabiliser MUST be used in all cases of possible Dye Bleed or Swealing
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What Dye stabiliser do you use Gerry?
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page 60 of the prochem upholstery manual reads (stage 7) "OPTIONAL: lightly spray with b109 fibre & fabric rinse to neutralise. This must be done in the case of suspect dyes. DO NOT use b109 if an oxidising bleach has been used as an additive in the shampoo mix."
Isn't oxibrite an oxidising bleach???
if so surely then that is telling you not to use b109???
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Dont think the custy would be too happy if you just turned up with a bucket and some chemicals..
Does anyone not rinse this mix?
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Dave I get it very hot, just hand bearable.
And yes I extract it with water rinse only.
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Thanks paul,
What mix do you make up. How much of each product?
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Dave the mix levels are on the containers.
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Thanks Paul, Just thought you used a bit less of each as there are 3 of them.
Will give it a go on my Suite tom tomorrow. :P
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Dave go to a car boot and buy a cheap arm chair to play with.Then experement with the volume levels.
You will then know how far you can go and what difference extra concentrations make.
As Derek said earlier what deep dyed fabric.
I normally do a test on a cushion/poof or back of a seat pad first, clean and dry it then if no probs away yer go.
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Thanks paul,
Just recieved my Fibre Buff, it says what mix to make up with the shampoo and Oxi.. It also says leave to dry, dont extract?
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hehe i have read that to i think you just apply the foam and leave to brighten up which it does very quick. You could probably hwe the piece of upholstery first then apply this mixture. The thing i didn't like about this mixture is it needs to be used within 30 mins of mixing i think. Wouldn't this be a great way of cleaning cotton/cotton prints or not as i understand natural fibres can be a pain in the arse to clean to a good standard with just hwe.
matt
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so no good without HWE?
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It would appear that many of you are unfamiliar or inexperienced with upholstery cleaning techniques beyond the HWE system.
If I were to organise an NCCA Upholstery Cleaning Workshop, for members and non-members alike, is there enough interest to make this worthwhile?
It would be in the Midlands next springtime.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Can I come please Uncle Ken?
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Ken
You are one of the most knowledgable cleaners on this site and I would certainly come.
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I would also come Ken, what are your thoughts on this magic mix?
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why run a course teaching old techniques, I have'nt used the oxy/firbebuff/shampoo method in years,
Mike
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Have you a secret Mike ?
I've never used the mix, but have used just about every other product / method available.
robbie
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Mike
As you well know a day like this is of great value to cleaners old and new( experience wise).
If you only learn one thing new from a day like this its worth going.
Also you get to meet other guys and share experiences,tips etc.
So go and have another glass of red and make sure your arse is there on the day Haliday.
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So what are the benefits and disadvatages of this mix lads?
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Of course you can come come along Uncle Derek, I've already volunteered you as an instructor :o
Mike makes a valid point about why run a course teaching old techniques? I prefer to call them traditional techniques. Well, most training courses of value will have already taught these techniques but, in a world dominated by HWE, many will have forgotton the instruction before they had the opportunity to put the teachings into practice, and possibly by that time, the techniques had been forgotton about anyway. Hence the motivation for a workshop.
As time permits, I'll do some research re. premises etc. cost it and come back to you with my proposals.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Ken
You appear to have risen to the challenge and are offering what the industry needs. A basis for credibility and raised public awareness through training.
I hate the concept of, certification over experience, but it's the way, things are going and will enable the public to make informed decisions.
I've mentioned this before and fully understand and apreciate, the negativity, but there is anew vibrance within this forum and you should all embrace the opportunity, rather than attempt to " stick your finger in the wall ".
Ken has already arranged a recent " discovery " day. I never read any feedback, but imagine it was helpfull to all who attended.
robbie
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Hi Guys,
It's worth bearing in mind that the shampoo / oxibrite method is really bleaching rather than cleaning.
If you have a really light suite you could mist with oxibrite as a finish to remove stubborn stains like coffee etc but bear in mind you will lighten all the colours.
I sometimes do this on suites as well as carpets but you have to leave it to work.You also need to prepare a fresh solution each time as most of the oxygen is released within the first 30 mins.
As for foam cleaners this is really a way of reducing water and I would suggest a misting with pre spray, work in with microfibre cloth and a light rinsing with hwe will be at least as effective.
I'm not saying old methods are of no use but the advent of effective HWE with quality hand tools has rendered most obsolete.
Cheers
Doug
p.s it would be worth getting together to discuss upholstery cleaning as I'm sure just talking to other experienced cleaners would be informative.
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I do a lot of suites, and would find a hands on course very helpful - count me in Ken....
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Doug
I have to disgree with you...under the right conditions and with care the so called magic mix can be used without affecting colours.
I carried out some trial some years ago for a large Company who on the strength of the results took on a major National contract from another organisation who were taking colour out of fabrics.
Prochem have their system but I came up with my own variation which I considered less risky (sorry Prochem) and this was susequently introduced onto the NCCA training courses... it produced outstanding results.
Just throwing some these chemicals into a bucket and using will lead to problems but there is a way... this is why I am often wary about putting ideas onto an open forum where without full explanations and demonstrations chemicals can be misused with dire consequences
I reckon that using my system in the correct manner I could out clean Mr Halliday with any modern day techniques ;)
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Share you magic potion with us Derek!
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Derek I'd take you up on that offer! ;)
to 'out-clean me' would mean to take more dirt out of the fabric or carpet
unless the training has changed then you are referring to the oxy/fibrebuff/shampoo mix mentioned already, which you taught me on my course.
This is the formula recommended by prochem to use on coffee stains or browning, they state to leave the solution on the carpet, so this says to me it doesn't clean but chemically alters of the appearance of the stain and not remove dirt
now I use a method which gives me equally good results but with less mess and is quicker.
mike
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Ohh Mike
You give a hard fight. :P
Derek
Think you might have to give him his training course fee back. ;)
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No so fast Paul
I stand by what I have already said... Providing the correct procedures are followed I can still remove the soil and obtain a pleasing result without affecting colours using the solutions outlined....and take out as much if not more dirt than Mr Halliday ::)
The complete method I use with them has yet to be even mentioned here.
Mike ...on the course I did for many years discuss the procedure but as I have said on numerous occasions many cleaning technicians do not follow procedures/rules as taught. This is why we get so many comments on the forums that this chemical doesn't work or that machine doesn't work.
When you get down to the nitty gritty there has been a procedure missed out somewhere along the line.
By the way I still, to this day, use a few stain removal procedures to great effect that are not contained in todays training courses ....some of these techniques date back to the 1920-30's....a bit before my time I hasten to add ..nevertheless they work often better than modern day equivalents ::)
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derk and mike
this could be a real pulling point as if you are going to do this clean off at kens organized event , i dare say it will sell out rather quickly
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Careful lads Dave - AKA - Liahona might be reading this and he loves this scenario.
You could be opening the door to some smart marketing here, as it would be a fantastic opportunity to show off products.
robbie
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Don't forget guys, that soil removal and looking clean can be two different things. This is where these combination cleans excel. HWE removes the soil, the shampoo mix removes discolouration.
I have used the methods , as taught and used by DB, for quite some time now. With modern chemistry, not so often, so it's now more of a problem solver, and very effective too.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Careful lads Dave - AKA - Liahona might be reading this and he loves this scenario.
You could be opening the door to some smart marketing here, as it would be a fantastic opportunity to show off products.
robbie
i think dave has gone to america for a month or so
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I do agree with Uncle Kenneth that with some of the modern chemicals life is a little easier but when get a real belter or trickier fabrics I do resort to the older tried and trusted ways.
When Uncle Ken talks about discolouration he is refering to excessive soil and stains NOT the fabric dye.