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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: DavidX on October 30, 2006, 11:44:49 am
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Hi all
I need your help guys. I have only had the backpack for 3 month now which is still new to me in my eye.
Today I have been filling up my six 25 lite bottle and check it with TDS reading to make sure it 000 or no more than 002. but it came up as 012 for the first one and then the second bottle came up 018, then the next reading for the next bottle came up 024.
By the time I got to my six bottle the reading is 067.
What going on? my water treatment system is less that three month old.
Do any of you know what wrong with it?
I keep it in my shed at night so it not like I am not taking care of it.
I got it from cleantech and I am not willing to spend any more money on this and it should last me longer than 3 poxy month
I am p off today. >:(
Is there somthing I can do to sort out the water treatment system?
HELP!
Dave >:(
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What water treatment system do you have?
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Are you flushing it regularly?
Have you a hand held TDS meter where you can take readings after the RO, but before the DI? You do this by pulling out the tube just before it goes into the DI chamber. What's the reading here?
What's the reading after the DI?
Mabye it's something simple like just a change of resin needed. Try changing that first.
Also, a better title for this thread would be 'RO problem, TDS reading HIGH' or something similar, since it's nothing to do with your backpack.
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hi Extremeclean
It a dekal water treatment system D-40
Hi Tosh
What do you mean are you flushing it regularly? RO,
However do you both have any idea how long the water treatment system should last you for?
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David
I have no idea what a dekal d40 is.
Is it an RO system with a DI resin chamber?
Rich.
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Extremeclean
I don't know what a RO system is?
On my water treatment system it say dekal D-40.
I think I better ring cleantech tomorrew.
But can you tell me how long your water treatment system last you for?
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David,
Does your water purification system look a bit like this?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/RO-200-400.jpg)
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it look nothing like that. It a blue tank
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Just done a search on dekal and it looks like your filter system may be designed more for coffee making rather than for the large quantities required for window cleaning
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Then i can't understand why i got dekal D-40 water purification and tosh got RO- water purification system. We both got shurflo backpack from cleantech and yet we both got different water purification system.
Unless tosh ask for a specific water purification system before buying the backpack.
I don't think that fair!
But I am still hoping that someone can tell me how long water treatment system should last you for?
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David.
No-one will be able to give you any answers unless they know exactly what the Dekal thing is.
Did your supplier ask you if you live in a soft or hard water area?
If you are in a hard water area you should have an RO system
Rich.
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Extremeclean
Would you mind telling me where you got your from.
Was it from cleantech?
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No problem David.
I got 2 from Williamson pumps and the last 4 from Andrew at Pure Freedom.
I honestly think you are somewhat confused by all of this.
The backpack is simply a means of carrying and delivering the pure water. It is completely seperate from the water purification equipment.
I think a couple of companies sell a "starter kit" which includes a backpack.
When choosing your water purification equipment its vital to know if you are in a hard or soft water area. Soft water areas will be suitable for a DI only system which is what I suspect you have. I really dont know though. Is it possible for you to take a pic of what you are using to purify your water and post it here?
Rich.
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Like this?
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Thank Mark
Yes it very similar.
Do you have one of these Mark dew?
Would be great if you know if I should be using that for puifying Water or not.
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David
Take a TDS reading of the water going IN to your DI vessel. Thats what Mark has shown you. (Thats the reading FROM the tap).
Let us know what it is and then we can help.
Also measure your vessel. Height and width and let us know that.
Rich
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Thank Mark
Yes it very similar.
Do you have one of these Mark dew?
Would be great if you know if I should be using that for puifying Water or not.
No i use a RO like in tosh's photo and a DI canister similar to the above to 'polish' the water after the RO.
It sounds like you might need to change the resin inside.
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Extremeclean
The tds reading going in is 292 and when filtered is 97. I was getting a 0 reading to when I first got it. The size of the vessel is 2' 3" circumferance and 1' 7"high
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David,
It seems you have only got a De Ionising filtre
and at 292 TDS going in it will be used up in no time.
You need a Reverse Osmosis. like the one Tosh showed.
Ring Mike at Cleantech and he will put you right. I don't think for one minute he has sold you wrong. It will probably cost you about £120 for a 100gpd RO.
David
P.S.
If you want to call me do soon
07815106363
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Hi David
Cheers for the phone number but I won't be able to ring you as I am hard of hearing.
Look like I will have to get my mother to ring Mike at cleantech.
But just out of curiosity when you got your backpack starter kit for the first time.
Did you get what I got now, not the RO water treatment system.
Just so I know before I get my mother to ring mike.
Cheers
Dave
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I agree with Mr Salkeld
You need an RO.
Is this what you ordered
http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_42&products_id=83
Its the cleantech basic packpack starter system. I have heard nothing but good things about Cleantech so I suggest you call them as the other David says and arrange an RO or you will go through resin at a ridiculous rate.
Rich
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David,
No, I did a bit of research, which involved a few lengthy call to Mike at Cleantech. And with the help from chaps on here and info on RO Man site I bought what I have.
E-Mail me your E-Mail and I will E-Mail you a copy of the write up I have done about my system
david@salkeld95.freeserve.co.uk
David
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Extremeclean
Yes that is the one the starter kit .
I will get on to mike.
I just kind of wish I had the RO to begin with.
I just in a bad mood today because I had 3 big job to do today.
I sure cleantech will sort me out.
Thanks guys
I off to bed now to watch man city play.
goodnight
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How much is the backpack starter kit, i am in a soft water area does this mean i only need di vessel and resin, any replies would be apprecciated
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How much is the backpack starter kit, i am in a soft water area does this mean i only need di vessel and resin, any replies would be apprecciated
Yes probably. It is an initial cheap way to setup.
There is a formula for tds and resin use on here somewhere, but over the life of a RO it will probably pay for itself.
The backpack starter kit is 500 quid.
Click here on the link extremeclean provided:
http://www.cleantech.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=83
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The formula is that 25 L of resin will do 500000L of water divided by your TDS
so if Davids water is 250. 500000 divided by 250 = 2000L of water. not much for £80 worth of resin.
If TDS is 50 then you get 10000 L of water.
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Perhaps DavidX could type here how much water he uses a day, it certainly sounds as if he could do with a Reverse Osmosis system.
Whereabouts in the country are you David?
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Cheers for the phone number but I won't be able to ring you as I am hard of hearing.
Look like I will have to get my mother to ring Mike at cleantech.
Dave
Last night I nearly made a 'tongue in cheek' post about you phoning Cleantech yourself and not getting your Mother to do it.
I'm glad I didn't! How stoopid would you have made me feel when you replied with 'I'm hard of hearing'.
Anyway, you definately need an RO system. I have a 200 gallon a day system which is capable of producing much much more than I require, since I only use around 100 to 150 litres per day (tops), but I like it because I don't have anywhere to store it in the Winter when it drops below freezing; apart from in the house. (RO membranes don't like being frozen; although mine have been on a couple of occasions, but they're still working fine).
I've read other posts from people saying they keep theirs running all night, regardless of the frost, and they don't freeze because of the effect the running water has. But I don't know how true that is.
Small ROs, such as mine are slow at making water! It just trickles out.
Therefore, I can set it up in the morning and it will make enough water, easily to last me through the next day; before I take it in, in the evening and put it away again.
This isn't the pain it might sound, since I can fill around 10 barrels up and fill two, two-hundred water buts up, on a weekend, and that will last me a week; just about.
Basically, an RO system filters most of the impurities from the water before it reaches the DI chamber in the RO, meaning the resin doesn't have to work so hard to 'polish' the water; making your resin last longer and more economical if you live in a hard water area.
But keep your DI. As you tailor your work to be more suited for WFP, you may find that a van with a small tank is better suited to your work, and you'd be able to quickly top up your pure water, from a customer's outside tap (make sure they're out; they might be on a meter ;D) using your DI system.
There's also a wealth of information about ROs (and almost any topic you can think of). Have a look using the search button at the top of this page.
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Hi Malc(G)old
Sorry I did'n't reply last night.
My computer was playing up last night. It fix now
Anyway I still trying to gain more houses for wfp but I use about 175 lite of water for a day work.
I am based in sw london.
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Some good advice above also if you have only had it 3 months we experienced the same thing after s months when our system went above 12ppm it just went crazy and was up at 50 ppm in no time, although ours was a different system i think its just the way the de-ion systems work once they are all used up they seem to make the water dirtier rather than cleaner.
Best advice is keep an eye on ppm readings daily and be ready to change filters/resin at anytime