Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sarah Sarill on October 20, 2006, 05:19:57 pm
-
Anything I can do to get two, fairly small lines out of a seat cushion. Its berol perm market pen, blue and red.
Thanks for any advice,
Sarah
-
hi Sarah
i have had some suecess with this useing solutions
eco spotter from memery i think, 1 mark took me about 20 minutes
of dabbing with a terry towel but it did come out in the end
davy
-
One Step Zap It will do it. The trouble is that you need a solvent product and it may remove the colour from the finish as well as the marker - test in an area that deoesn't show first. You may be better off calling a leather techie.
-
Sarah,
What type of leather is it?
Pigmented, Aniline or Nubuck?
Most common leather is pigmented, therefore you are cleaning the coating on the leather. Too much solvent in the wrong hands can start breaking this down. You end up with a bigger problem than you started with. More importantly the problem is now yours. If it's Aniline or Nubuck probably it won't shift.
You would be best off speaking to someone who is trained and has experience in leather repairs.
Regards
Nigel
-
Spray hairspray on to a cotton bud and wipe,it works
mark
-
stain remover from furniture clinic
i have just been on the course.
works a treat.
-
Thanks guys,
Im not sure what sort of leather it is but it was cheap :(
Unfortunately, I cant even turn the seats over as the underneath is not leather ::)
Its a brown suite so not too noticeable - but I know its there :-\
Will patch test the the hairspray and if that fails I'll call in a pro ;D
Sarah
-
Sarha
Easy to solve this one , phone Ben on Monday 01914826112
he will advise and send the necessary chemical in the post or if your still unsure he can recommend somebody local to come out.
-
Telephone us on 01423 881027 and we will give you the correct technical information on how to resolve this.
We also have a register of fully trained leather technicians who will be able to help.
Hairspray may make matters much worse so it is best not to try it.
Hope this helps
Judy
-
bi cast
-
If it is bicast then there is nothing that will remove it.
-
will take the finish off
-
If its a cheap suite then doubt bicast,prob just highly pigmented leather. Ben at Furniture clinic has a good stain remover that is good for pen/biro, give him a ring on the number I posted earlier.
He is a bit cheaper than LTT, but same quality as he makes it him self were as LTT have to buy it in. ;)
-
If it is a permanent marker then nothing will take it off other than a solvent which will then remove the finish, even more so if it is bicast.
A cheap suite could easily be bicast. A spot remover will not remove this unless it contains solvent.
Regards
Judy
-
Again Judy to the rescue ::) ::) ::)
Wonder if she is like this at home ? ;D
-
Furniture Clinics stain remover will remove permanent marker form bi cast easily. Any ink stains will come out with the ultra clean easily.
And yes BI cast is cheap, but the point was that it is more likely to be straight pigmented one colour leather.
-
Permanent marker and ink stains do not normally just clean off leather.
Have tested permanent marker on bicast and cleaners including ultra clean will not bring it off. Anything that will bring it off must contain some sort of solvent which will remove the finish and will then need replacing. There are nitrocellulose finishes that can be used for this but on bicast it is more tricky than on a pigmented leather.
Regards
Judy
-
Your right it does not always come off,it depends on time,age of finish and type of ink.But if it does not fully come off then it is easy to strip top coat and reapply in a couple of minutes.
-
Top finishes can be replaced using todays modern finishes in aerosols but a lot of cleaners will not even realise they have done any damage and will therefore leave the suite in a worse position.
Thats why it is important to understand what you are dealing with and how to deal with things that may happen, hence the training.
-
Paul
Interesting to read that a top can be re-applied n a couple of minutes.
Do you mean mixing and applying the colour?
Nigel
-
Yes and no Nigel.
The top colour that is on pigmented leather is basically a acrylic paint and the finish you put on top of that to protect the paint to stop it coming off is to put it in simple terms like a varnish you put on wood,the difference with the finish that you put on leather is that it is more durable.
The hardest part of applying the finish to leather is matching the colour but once you get used to the colour matching you can do it quite quick.
To apply it is easy , first you must remove the existing finish then you can apply more paint,this can be done with a spray( air gun) or sponged on with a dauber or sponge and then dried with a hair drier and it may need a couple of coats, but it takes only a few minutes to do.You then apply the clear finish over it in the same way and that too takes only a few minutes.Depending on the type of finish sometimes you may need a bonding agent for the paint to adhere.
But as Judy said in an earlier post understanding the finish is were the training bit comes in.
The application is straight forward but just needs plenty of practice.
-
The process Paul describes would be very straightforward on a single colour pigment and as he says takes practice. The colour mixing is the hard part but there are systems that can teach you how to do this. Small repairs can be done with what we call bonded colour which has an adhesive agent and a finish in the colour which means they do not have to be finished over the top (although a quick spray of finish once you have completed your work never goes amiss).
If you are recolouring larger areas you need to use a different product. These days there are very good systems which do not require all the stripping down and work without bonding agents so the process is much simplified. However you always have to be sure that a strict cleaning process is followed as pigments will not adhere to anything which has grease or oil on it. (another reason for not using oil/wax based finishing products on pigments). This product can also be used as a touch up product but always requires finishing over the top.
We have worked now for 2-3 years with this product and have had no failures as far as finish goes, many of the bonded products which have been used for recolouring have failed.
Single colour pigments as I have said are very straight forward to deal with (with the right products and training) but the problems start when you get 2,3 or even 4 tone pigments (ie. ones with more than one colour) and those with tinted finishes (ie. the colour is in the finish) These make the whole process much more tricky and whilst there are tinted finishes available, the colour matching process is made much harder.
Hope this helps