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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richy L on October 19, 2006, 05:13:59 pm
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Nice and safe, eh?! :o
Some people just dont value their lives much!
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.. and another one!
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S**t for brains!
Its not ladders that need to be banned, its idiots like him that give wc a bad name. ::)
Macc
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thats the way i used to clean windows twnty years ago
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Fake Photos
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Have got to be manufactured pictures Leeksons :P
No one would be that stoopid. ;D
Sarah
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A mate of mine used to clean window like that in Eastbourne about 15years ago, NUTTER.
Macc
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Isn't the second photo the SAS storming the Iranian Embassy? :)
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A mate of mine used to clean window like that in Eastbourne about 15years ago, NUTTER.
Macc
is he still alive?
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Hi Guys
Have a walk round Central London, and most days you will see window
cleaners working like his.
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Yep D woods knows how it is ;)
In London you see this sort of thing all the time!!! crazy I know, but they still out there to this day fellas.
ProPole
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Have got to be manufactured pictures Leeksons :P
No one would be that stoopid. ;D
Sarah
Maybe not nowadays Sarah but 20 odd years ago in the grimy old mill towns up north that was normal. I used to spend many a day ledge hopping. I was younger and felt immortal and skint if I didnt do it. I worked for a company at the time and one day I nearly got blown off by a really bad gust of wind. That was enough to say sod it I am going to work for myself. How times have changed. For the better :)
Rich.
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Yeah those crazy wfp users. Sending guys up to window ledges because they have run out of water. When will they learn?
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I bet 99.9 percent of window cleaners have done daft stuff like the above at some time. I know I have and I've only been cleaning windows for a fraction of the time some of you guys have.
When I first started window cleaning; prior to this forum; I just assumed that doing stuff like this was part of the job description.
Also, you don't know the economic pressures those guys in the pictures are under.
I think forums, such as this, are great at educating us window cleaners in 'elf 'n' safety.
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I bet 99.9 percent of window cleaners have done daft stuff like the above at some time. I know I have and I've only been cleaning windows for a fraction of the time some of you guys have.
When I first started window cleaning; prior to this forum; I just assumed that doing stuff like this was part of the job description.
Also, you don't know the ecomonic pressures those guys in the pictures are under.
I think forums, such as this, are great at educating us window cleaners in 'elf 'n' safety.
So you have woke up on a window ledge wondering how you got there? I'm sorry but these pictures are silly. If they had ladders by the window then at least we would know how they got to the ledge.
BTW Tosh you RULE!!!!!!!!!
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Did any of you see CITY HOSPITAL this morning?
A ladder worker fell through a roof when cleaning windows, and broke arm in 2 places. Off work for 3 months.......and he was self employed.
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What is CITY HOSPITAL? Is it like HOLBY CITY?
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So you have woke up on a window ledge wondering how you got there? I'm sorry but these pictures are silly. If they had ladders by the window then at least we would know how they got to the ledge.
Unless they're Spiderman, they've ended up on the window sill by climbing out of the window.
BTW Tosh you RULE!!!!!!!!!
Cheers!
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Unless they're Spiderman, they've ended up on the window sill by climbing out of the window.
How did they climb OUT/IN those windows in the photos?
BTW Tosh you RULE!!!!!!!!!
Cheers!
Yeah Tosh you are great!!!!!
What's Squeeky like in real life?
N.B. I'm confused by the quote's thing in this forum when you're posting. How do I quote someone. Maybe it worked. Also how do you say where you are from in the profile? Any help? I'm from Nottingham BTW.
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Unless they're Spiderman, they've ended up on the window sill by climbing out of the window.
How did they climb OUT/IN those windows in the photos?
BTW Tosh you RULE!!!!!!!!!
Cheers!
Yeah Tosh you are great!!!!!
What's Squeeky like in real life?
N.B. I'm confused by the quote's thing in this forum when you're posting. How do I quote someone. Maybe it worked. Also how do you say where you are from in the profile? Any help? I'm from Nottingham BTW.
I'm a Geordie and I know how to use the quote feature. It would be easier to show you than explain.
Play about with it, using the quote icon in the panel above your post (just above all the smiley faces) and also use the preview function and don't post until you're happy.
I hope this helps you quote me, and give me future slaggings.
Regards,
Tosh.
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Cheers!
Yeah Tosh you are great!!!!!
I'm a Geordie and I know how to use the quote feature. It would be easier to show you than explain.
Play about with it, using the quote icon in the panel above your post (just above all the smiley faces) and also use the preview function and don't post until you're happy.
I hope this helps you quote me, and give me future slaggings.
Regards,
Tosh.
I think i've got it. BTW Tosh I am a fellow scambaiter. How did you get your trophies? I'm also planning to use backpack for the tops and traditional for the bottoms soon. As for these photos, I've done a fake Western Union Slip better thatn these. N.B. Scambaiters may only understand this post!
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So you have woke up on a window ledge wondering how you got there? I'm sorry but these pictures are silly. If they had ladders by the window then at least we would know how they got to the ledge.
They get to the ledge by climbing out the window and closing it behind them.
A well known and respected window cleaner in Aberdeen was cleaning windows this way on a busy street about 10 years ago. He fell 50ft to his death. :(
Council clamped down on the practice. NEVER see it in Aberdeen now.
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They get to the ledge by climbing out the window and closing it behind them.
A well known and respected window cleaner in Aberdeen was cleaning windows this way on a busy street about 10 years ago. He fell 50ft to his death. :(
Council clamped down on the practice. NEVER see it in Aberdeen now.
Are you Steve K? Your posts were worth staying up for. Your "Photo Threads" were brilliant. Please post more on this forum if you are Steve K.
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Sorry I don't think you are Steve K thinking about it. Ah well. Who remembers Steve K posts? Steve Kinsella I think his name was. Great poster!
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They get to the ledge by climbing out the window and closing it behind them.
Look at the photo! What kind of windows are they? climbing in and out? GOOD LUCK
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Did any of you see CITY HOSPITAL this morning?
A ladder worker fell through a roof when cleaning windows, and broke arm in 2 places. Off work for 3 months.......and he was self employed.
Company local to me, had a lad fall of his ladder and is in a bad way, the industry does need to redress this?!?!?!
Andy
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This paints a damming picture of the state of our industry.
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/1D86C89D-1B32-4F72-9BD1-2261DA9D55A4/0/HS_EH_TonyMacklinpresentation.pdf
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Company local to me, had a lad fall of his ladder and is in a bad way, the industry does need to redress this?!?!?!
Andy
Yes a company WFP man near me fell over when erecting too high. They fired him without his monthly chicken soup. A word of warning guys
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This paints a damming picture of the state of our industry.
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/1D86C89D-1B32-4F72-9BD1-2261DA9D55A4/0/HS_EH_TonyMacklinpresentation.pdf
Yes i wouldn't ever do the Empire State building traditional either
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is he an Ionics distributor :o
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is he an Ionics distributor :o
Are you?
Where's Squeeky BTW?
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is he an Ionics distributor :o
Are you?
Where's Squeeky BTW?
I saw him in town today! He waved at me!
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I didn't mean to.
I was adjusting my mirror.
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What do you think of those photo's Squeeky? SAS maybe?
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I would have thought that while it paints a damming picture of the quality of planning that goes into new construction and the quality of maintenance of existing structures that all in all it shows the harsh ralities that a window cleaning co. is faced with when asked to bid for these buildings and in the long run any thing which will force architects to design safer buildings and force building owners to cover there share of the safety burden can only be a good thing for our industry, In the last six months i have benn asked to quote at least three buildings that when i got on site i had to explain to the building super that the place was not built properly to allow safe access for the window cleaner ( no eye bolts, huge overhang, 12 storey interior glass wall with no access for anything etc) only to be told that all codes had been adhered to and to find out later that someone else was washing the windows , I dont need the work that bad but some do. The irony is that in each case to fit the safety devices during the construction phase would have entailed minimal costs but to retro fit them would be a huge expense so thats three more buildings in Boston that will remain an unsafe place to work for a long time
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Yes i wouldn't ever do the Empire State building traditional either
I think the EMpire state building is done traditionally using an AKer& mann belt as it was built before airconditioning all the windows open
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What do you think of those photo's Squeeky? SAS maybe?
I actually think they're getting quite tedious.
For some reason wfp users seem to think everyone else works like that.
If they want to, let them. ::)
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I would have thought that while it paints a damming picture of the quality of planning that goes into new construction and the quality of maintenance of existing structures that all in all it shows the harsh ralities that a window cleaning co. is faced with when asked to bid for these buildings and in the long run any thing which will force architects to design safer buildings and force building owners to cover there share of the safety burden can only be a good thing for our industry, In the last six months i have benn asked to quote at least three buildings that when i got on site i had to explain to the building super that the place was not built properly to allow safe access for the window cleaner ( no eye bolts, huge overhang, 12 storey interior glass wall with no access for anything etc) only to be told that all codes had been adhered to and to find out later that someone else was washing the windows , I dont need the work that bad but some do. The irony is that in each case to fit the safety devices during the construction phase would have entailed minimal costs but to retro fit them would be a huge expense so thats three more buildings in Boston that will remain an unsafe place to work for a long time
I didn't read anything you said............sorry. Paragraphs is the way surely.
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What do you think of those photo's Squeeky? SAS maybe?
I actually think they're getting quite tedious.
For some reason wfp users seem to think everyone else works like that.
If they want to, let them. ::)
people seem to think those photos are real. Strange really. Anyway Squeeky, Keep it real and don't believe the hype! :)
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They are real mate, I have seen this many times. They only usually get out to clean the third georgian row down ( top geogian row on lower opening window) this is because when you open it you can only clean the top window and part of the bottom from the inside. the row I mentioned above is impossible to reach as it goes up inside when you open the window.
ProPole
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They are real mate, I have seen this many times. They only usually get out to clean the third georgian row down ( top geogian row on lower opening window) this is because when you open it you can only clean the top window and part of the bottom. the row I mentioned above is impossible to reach as it goes up inside when you open the window.
ProPole
Eh? Ok the photos are fake. If anyone can take a PROPER photo then I will Analyse it.
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Wake up mate, you dont have to be clever to see there real pics. This is standard even to this day in U.K citys, I personally see stuff like this all the time were as you get to look at sheep, cows and fields which dont get me wrong is a nice thing to see and look at when working, but in the real world there is alot more going on than you think.
ProPole
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They're real to my eyes.
I've never done much of that sort of thing, but I know a lot of people do.
One thing worries me. The guy in the 2nd picture appears to be holding a bunch of flowers, not a squeegee. ;D
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Sorry Andy I will type slower and use smaller words ;D
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Wake up mate, you dont have to be clever to see there real pics. This is standard even to this day in U.K citys, I personally see stuff like this all the time were as you get to look at sheep, cows and fields which dont get me wrong is a nice thing to see and look at when working, but in the real world there is alot more going on than you think.
ProPole
Ok Mr professional, earn your £600 a day and then tell me about it. Those photos are FAKE BTW. If you want to believe those photos are real then make sure you leave your tooth under your pillow as well.
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Sorry Andy I will type slower and use smaller words ;D
Well paragraphs would be a start :)
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I have earnt not far of that sum a few times before mate when I was 20, how old are you? (not boasting but just shuting you up) hahahah ;D ;D ;D ;D (mug)
Come back and try be-little me when your a bit smarter village boy.
Pro
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Wake up mate, you dont have to be clever to see there real pics. This is standard even to this day in U.K citys, I personally see stuff like this all the time were as you get to look at sheep, cows and fields which dont get me wrong is a nice thing to see and look at when working, but in the real world there is alot more going on than you think.
ProPole
Ok Mr professional, earn your £600 a day and then tell me about it. Those photos are FAKE BTW. If you want to believe those photos are real then make sure you leave your tooth under your pillow as well.
Andy
Trust me, before wfp and H&S came to the fore, most folk worked like that. I remember taking a 6ft double ladder onto sills to do tall windows with extractor fans in them on a city centre office - basement, ground, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th floors.
Mind you, they were wide sills 8)
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I have earnt not far of that sum a few times before mate when I was 20, how old are you? (not boasting but just shuting you up) hahahah ;D ;D ;D ;D (mug)
Come back and try be-little me when your a bit smarter village boy.
Pro
I'm 25. To be honest I have read these forums for a long time and ProPole you are just a joke. You talk the talk always........and then I fall asleep. You probably earn £30 a day with a tea towel
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Andy
Trust me, before wfp and H&S came to the fore, most folk worked like that. I remember taking a 6ft double ladder onto sills to do tall windows with extractor fans in them on a city centre office - basement, ground, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th floors.
Mind you, they were wide sills 8)
Just look at the photo. How did they get up there? H&S is cool as long as you can explain how they got to the window. I don't care about he said this or they did that, This topic is about those photos and as those photos are fake!
BTW Tosh you are a star!
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The first photo the guy stepped out thru the window that opens on the left, the second photo he lifted up the lower sash and climbed out then closed it
I know nothing about photography so couldnt tell you if they are fake or not but they are definitly possible I see that all the tme and have done it in the past
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The first photo the guy stepped out thru the window that opens on the left, the second photo he lifted up the lower sash and climbed out then closed it
I know nothing about photography so couldnt tell you if they are fake or not but they are definitly possible I see that all the tme and have done it in the past
Yes and they all went home to the Little House on the Prairie. Hear the words "Image Manipulation."
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Andy by your responses you seem to firmly believr that the photos are fake is this due to a knowledge of photography or can you not believe that someone would do this
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Andy by your responses you seem to firmly believr that the photos are fake is this due to a knowledge of photography or can you not believe that someone would do this
Yes of course people do this. The photos are fake though. Just look at them for a second
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Ok the second photo,if you look at the top right hand corner you can see that the sun is casting a shadow which tells you which direction the sun is shining from, the sun is not shining on the wall or the window but is reflecting off the guys back which is sticking out a little past both which would be roughly where you would expect it to be
I know that can be faked but would you go to that much bother
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Exactly how old are you andy , should you be up this late
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Andy, do you fancy Tosh?
You've complimented him so often, and you've got to ask why.
Stick around, he'll offend you too soon. ;D
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They are real mate, I have seen this many times. They only usually get out to clean the third georgian row down ( top geogian row on lower opening window) this is because when you open it you can only clean the top window and part of the bottom from the inside. the row I mentioned above is impossible to reach as it goes up inside when you open the window.
ProPole
Exactly! The first pic does look a bit dodgy, but the second one with the georgians looks real.
A mate of mine used to work for a well known firm in Edinburgh who cleaned windows this way. He said he was usually stoned at the time.
He has since turned his life around. When he gave up drugs, he found he was no good with hieghts anymore and changed his occupation. Now he can't believe what he used to do. He would climb out the first window of a bay and shimmy round the ledge to get the other two panes. Three or four storeys up on crumbling 200 yr old sandstone buildings. Sheer madness.
Another friend of mine was cleaning an awkward dormer window. It was awkward becaude it was painted shut! So he climbed out of the next window and scrambled accross the slate roof to get to it. 45ft up! As he is cleaning the window, it starts to rain. You know where this is going...
He tries to get back accross the roof to the open window. His feet start to give way. He is sliding down the roof. "My feet will catch the steel gutter" he thinks as he watches the gutter go past his face. He landed half on grass and half on a rock garden.
His head was split open, fractured jaw, broken shoulder, arm and wrists. One elbow is smashed beyond use. The security guard who saw him fall and saw the aftermath needed counselling. Seriously!
I went into the A.R.I. to see him just after it happened. I wanted to throw up. I started working safer after that. It took him two years and many operations to recover. Of course, he feels lucky to be alive at all, and he IS. He has re-trained as a surveyor now and is doing well. EVery time you see him though, he is rubbing that elbow which gives him constant pain.
Andy, you may find it hard to believe in these photos. You are American. Your country doesnt have so many old buildings. Your country also has a very litigious society. In other words, if somebody got injured by using these practices they would get sued, BIG TIME! This has led to safer work practices and window designs. However, until recently, the UK has had a very relaxed attitude to such things. Therefore, there are still a generation of window cleaners who use these practices. No, REALLY!!
I don't need photos Andy. I have seen it with my own eyes, people I know have done it, people I know have been seriously hurt doing it. One has died doing it.
Regards
PS Andy. I have visited the States many times and I agree, it is a fantastic place.
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About ten years ago, I visited a window cleaner that broke his leg so badly when he fell of the ladder that it had to be take off at the knee, is a pain of glass worth this?!?!?!
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Andy take a look at these photo's and tell us if you think there fake, this topic was posted some months back by one of our Lady WC.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24289.0
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Andy are you window cleaner
because you haven't been around much if you haven't seen windows cleaned like this ???
Telboy ;)
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Andy
Trust me, before wfp and H&S came to the fore, most folk worked like that. I remember taking a 6ft double ladder onto sills to do tall windows with extractor fans in them on a city centre office - basement, ground, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th floors.
Mind you, they were wide sills 8)
Just look at the photo. How did they get up there? H&S is cool as long as you can explain how they got to the window. I don't care about he said this or they did that, This topic is about those photos and as those photos are fake!
BTW Tosh you are a star!
Andy, just accept that these guys got there by climbing out of the window at that level. They didn't climb up a ladder to have someone take it away to work on another window - that's another wee episode I've left behind me.
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Just accept that these are fake photos which have been photoshopped to represent the actions of window cleaners in the past, because the originals got lost. Someone posted them here knowing that you'd rise to the bait and show yourself up as a numpty who won't listen to folk who are experienced in their trade.
THEY'RE NOT FAKE PICTURES - THESE WINDOW CLEANERS ARE REAL !!
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I have earnt not far of that sum a few times before mate when I was 20, how old are you? (not boasting but just shuting you up) hahahah ;D ;D ;D ;D (mug)
Come back and try be-little me when your a bit smarter village boy.
Pro
I'm 25. To be honest I have read these forums for a long time and ProPole you are just a joke. You talk the talk always........and then I fall asleep. You probably earn £30 a day with a tea towel
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You look like the biggest novice ever, you aint got a clue, your small fish to me, hahahahaha mug
how long have you been a shiner for?
I never talk actuall sums on this forum ever, but I never lie!!!! I said Ive nearley hit that figure I wasnt chatting rubbish like you do. Obviously not profit but I have made it ;D, how do you feel now mugboi.
Are you trad wfp?
What car do you use?
Ladders, tell me you have pointers or a pointer?
Etorre or Unger?
Dont ask me them questions, cause I will make you feel small and worthless,
ProPole
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Like many of the older or more experienced guys, I have done it too in the past.
Most of these windows, if they were the sash type could be done by "sitting out"
You sat on the outside ledge and pulled the window down to your knees. You could then pull the top section down and push the bottom section up, and then you could do the bit you had missed.
With windows that were too tall for this, standing on the sill was the only way you could do it. Doing the bottom panes was the hard bit.
I once worked on a Llandudno hotel that had a nine inch ledge about a couple of feet below the sills. I was 17 at the time, working with an older guy.
When he finished his window he wanted to pass me to get to the next. As I said this ledge was only 9 inches wide, and the only way he could pass me was to hold on to my waist and swing round the outside of me. I was terrified, hanging onto the window frame by my finger tips and having to bare this guys weight as he sqeezed passed.
Now I have no time for lies or liars, what I have told you is the gospel truth.
These practices were common place and you, as a youngster were mocked by your peers if you showed any fear.
The guy who squeezed past me, 4 years later, lay down in front of a train. He died leaving a wife and 8 children.
This took place back in 1959, but the practice still goes on to this day.
I wouldn't do it now, but I have in the past. Dai
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You look like the biggest novice ever, you aint got a clue, your small fish to me, hahahahaha mug
how long have you been a shiner for?
I never talk actuall sums on this forum ever, but I never lie!!!! I said Ive nearley hit that figure I wasnt chatting rubbish like you do. Obviously not profit but I have made it ;D, how do you feel now mugboi.
Are you trad wfp?
What car do you use?
Ladders, tell me you have pointers or a pointer?
Etorre or Unger?
Dont ask me them questions, cause I will make you feel small and worthless,
ProPole
It's obvious you have an inferiority complex. You feel the need to constantly say "Look at me i'm so great blah blah." Like I said "JOKE" with a capital J. :-*
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Andy, just accept that these guys got there by climbing out of the window at that level. They didn't climb up a ladder to have someone take it away to work on another window - that's another wee episode I've left behind me.
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Just accept that these are fake photos which have been photoshopped to represent the actions of window cleaners in the past, because the originals got lost. Someone posted them here knowing that you'd rise to the bait and show yourself up as a numpty who won't listen to folk who are experienced in their trade.
THEY'RE NOT FAKE PICTURES - THESE WINDOW CLEANERS ARE REAL !!
Yes I agree with everything you said. Sorry for having a difference of opinion. This forum is the pits. It used to be enjoyable. Goodbye.
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Wow!
When i posted this topic i didnt think it would turn out this way! ::)
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Who was that jerk?
Why did he change his name?
Where has he gone?
Who gives a shiiite :D ???
Telboy ;)
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You look like the biggest novice ever, you aint got a clue, your small fish to me, hahahahaha mug
how long have you been a shiner for?
I never talk actuall sums on this forum ever, but I never lie!!!! I said Ive nearley hit that figure I wasnt chatting rubbish like you do. Obviously not profit but I have made it ;D, how do you feel now mugboi.
Are you trad wfp?
What car do you use?
Ladders, tell me you have pointers or a pointer?
Etorre or Unger?
Dont ask me them questions, cause I will make you feel small and worthless,
ProPole
It's obvious you have an inferiority complex. You feel the need to constantly say "Look at me i'm so great blah blah." Like I said "JOKE" with a capital J. :-*
Lets have this right sunshine, I have never come on here ever saying I have this and I have that NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! he said come back and tell me when you have earnt that, and I told him I have already. not my fault that made you feel un-easy, like I said its a few times and not profit, it cant be done everday I never make anywere near that usually.
I geuss that you are in fact Andy because you are just as thick as him. I never say mines better than anyone elses, I never boast about what I have. I just put that mug in his place like I am you!!!
ProPole
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Wow!
When i posted this topic i didnt think it would turn out this way! ::)
That's the sign of a good post!
Anyway, guys, as a member here, I'd prefer not to read the personal comments. There's other ways of 'arguing' without resorting to blatant name calling.
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Yea fair enough, my appoligies for my uncalled for comments I get a little wound up at times. Especially with him moaning like a wee girl "there not real, there fake there fake :'( :'( :'(
Who is that guy Tosh, do you know him. He seemed to like you a bit didnt he ;D ;D maybe it was them photos of you on the other thread :D
ProPole
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letting off steam again mate? ;D