Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: maxcarpets on October 05, 2006, 07:11:46 am
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Honesty is the best policy?
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in my experience for value and all round performance its the mytee sold by matt at cleansmart
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yes i agree the mytee is prob best for val and per but for the very best per it has to be a top range ninja
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Other: Speedster gets my vote too
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ive had my alltec advantage for over 3 years, in that time it has done 900 cleaning hours. The water pump is getting a bit tierd but the vaccum is as strong as ever. it has only cost me half a days down time due to a part braking. It comes in half in seconds so is easy to take up stairs if needid, this also makes it easy to work on. I would recomend it to anyone.
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ninja is best all round although it means u have to deal with a certain company which for some reason is made very difficult by most of its staff ( not naming names) 8), but have used a friends scorpion that he swears by and was v impressed. (bit noisy for residential work tho.
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It's really horses for courses.
Most machines use similar pumps/vac motors so performance between similarly rates machines should (In theory) be the same.
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Calmore,
That's the point though, the difference in design leads to different levels of effeciency. Compounded this makes a big difference. Or so Ashbys told me anyway.
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:-X :o :-X
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Alltec swear by vacs, in parallel, whereas the Ninja goes for vacs in line, one gives greater air flow, the other greater water lift, or so they claim.
Robie
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Any views on Extracta?
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i think extracta run vac motors parallel. havent got extracta machine but have other equipment from them that just runs and runs with no problems ;)
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This is the best porty.
Its made by Kleenrite ( the ones that do the swivel head upholstery tool).
It is rebagded by,Chemdry,Chemspec,Hydromaster and a few others.
I bought mine from cleancare about 18 months ago for £2800 plus the dreaded.But I now know somebody else that will sell a new one at around £2500 all in.
It is 300psi, 2 x 3 stage heavy duy lamb vac's. 2 inline heaters with recirculation mode( basically uou fill the tank with cold water switch the inline heaters on circulation and go and vac and aggitate the carpets,20 minutes later the full tank is red hot).
The best machine on the market in my opinion.
Try Graham at Clean machines on 01244280666.
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Paul.
Is that the one they call the Hydo vantage? if it is I've had a demo of the machine and its very good just could not stretch to the £3000 that the supplier wanted for it. It seems a bit on the large side for a single user? How much hose can it run?
My vote goes to "other" for the speedster is a great machine for the money as is the Masterclean which is even cheaper. My own machine is a secondhand Ashby's Diamondback 135psi twin vacs. Brilliant so far for what it cost me.
Regards,
Adam.
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i have a ninja
works great for me......................
i have no problems with "certain members of staff"
derek and his wife have always looked after me!!!:):):)
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I use the Kleenrite porty 300psi its uk name is the Edge II, very good machine powerful and reliable, got the swivel head upholstery tool at the same time, also a good piece of equipment.
So my vote is Other.
Scott
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I have the extracta excel which works fine, if slightly underpowered, but my vote would be the scorpion power almost as good as a TM. I was almost afraid to put that in as most of this forum seems to slag off the supplier.
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Mike,
In the past this Forum has Discussed the Scorpion and the Eclipse and gave them a good run.
As Doug has said in a prious post the Forum was virtually Hi jacked.
So much so it alienated a lot of the Forum members.
The Supplier has there own Forum so its an excellent place to learn about and discuss the benifits of thei product.
Yiou may be pleased to know I was one of the First people to stand up for Ed Valentine when he was given a hard time by a well known truckmounter many years ago, on Cleantalk way before a certain company was started. .
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hi
anyone know what The Mytee Speedster costs does not say on cleansmart site
thanks darren
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last i heard was £1650 without tools
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I have a Ninja......cant remember weather it's 4 or 500 psi, but run it at approx 300 psi as runing at at full pressure would empty the tank rather quickly! But think that 300 psi is the optimum pressure.
It also has the steam mate (built in) with insulated hoses.
I do not think that with the heat turned on full makes much difference than just using hot water and pure steam will not come out of the end of a 50 ft length of hose due to cooling.
Using a 25 ft length of hose the water wiil come out much hotter and steam will be produced for a short time when the machine has been sitting.
Overall, I do like this machine and I'm hard to please. It is a big big improvement on the standard 135 psi machine and shortens cleaning time so much so that I either finish earlier or do more jobs per day.
I'v had this machine for 6 months without probs, so not sure of reliability and servicing cost's, although I know that these pumps need servicing every 1000 hours (piston seals etc).
John
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I only have two hwe machines one is crap but so is the other! Is it me?
Wife wants a yaris; I want her to have a continental GTC
Mike
Not one to cut to the chase, a new phase OP, what a database. ;D
Len
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The Eclipse has been a very impresive servant to me .
Mark
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I wonder how much difference the engineering and design makes. I have owned many machines over the years and found the CFR 400 to be an excellent machine, which, although it only had a single 3 stage vac, was incredibly powerful.
My only complaint was the size of the machine.
Robie
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HI CLOVERLEAf if u machines heater makes no diff than just hot tap water it aint working right . i can get steam burts at over 100ft and when not steaming its very very hot and my hoses aint insulated nether, my tap water comes out at about same temp as tank heater which is about 70 and u couldnt put u fingers in it very hot clean with that and its good but turn the v2 on and its about 110 and big big diff , perhaps your thermo is set wrong ? also ashbys hav to types of v2 one which is set at 70 the other 110
gary
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my vote would be the scorpion power almost as good as a TM. I was almost afraid to put that in as most of this forum seems to slag off the supplier.
Mike, no-one slags off the supplier, its the in-crowd that leap to their defence if you dare to say anything slightly negative about them or their products.
I also think the blatent advertising they get through the boards is wrong, it costs £1000's to promote a new product yet some how whenever a new product comes out from Cornwall its all over the boards like a rash!
I dont see any of this when Prochem/Chemspec/Hydramaster etc bring out any new products.
Probably get slated for this post but there you are, Iv'e said it now.
Phil
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i tend to agree with you Mr Marlor ;)
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Had extracta,ninja and eclipse to be honest ninja was the best for portability and ease of use.If only customer service was as good as the machine.I believe its still going strong
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Alltec advantage for me, Very easy to get out of Van.
Can take it apart to move up and down stairs if needs be but dont have to to much as will clean wellwith extra 25ft of hose over the standard 50ft.
Vacuum is good but water pump could possibly do with more power but gives me great results.
Bonus is the 50 lites clean water tank, much better than the small Aqua 40 that I seemed to allways be filling up.
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I would be good to know which one is the best if only to stop someone shelling out for a inferior/overpriced bit of kit.
However, unless equivalent spec. models are tested side by side it will be down to wether or not you are happy with what you have bought.
If there is someone out there with the ability and time to compile a chart on reliability, performance, service we could have a JD powers survey
OR
The BBC will do a test on Top Gear, as after Richard "hampster" Hammond got hurt they wont be allowed test anything faster than a ride on lawnmower anyway.
Like an earlier post I have a Ninja and V2 but can only get steam in fairly short bursts after it has had some time to recover.
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Phil you obviosly dont read this forum then. Anything that comes from cornwall is slaked mostly by people who have never used what it is they are running down. It is a pity cause this used to be a very good forum now it just seems to be moans .
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Ian I didnt start this question up, it was someone asking what everyone thought was the best porty and to that question I gave my answer. Yes if I had the money to spare I would get one but I dont so I will stick to my excel.
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Mike,fully agree with you.
Any questions re machinery on this and other forums for that matter end up having a jibe at a particular supplier,why not stick to the topic in question,if you can't answer a question without somehow turning it into yet another attack on someone for no reason then don't comment at all.
For the record I currently use a Prochem and my next machine may well be something different.
It is not good for the forums image if every time we log in all we see is snidey remarks,these are unjustified and unnecessary,change the record please.
I suppose I'll be accused of being a salesman now ::)
John
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Mike,fully agree with you.
Any questions re machinery on this and other forums for that matter end up having a jibe at a particular supplier,why not stick to the topic in question,if you can't answer a question without somehow turning it into yet another attack on someone for no reason then don't comment at all.
It is not good for the forums image if every time we log in all we see is snidey remarks,these are unjustified and unnecessary,change the record please.
I suppose I'll be accused of being a salesman now ::)
John
I assume your comments are refering to me, for the record I use all Solution agents, charly pads, their in-line sprayer etc etc and I have just purchased 5L of M-power.
What I believe is wrong is the massive hype and blatent advertising that goes on on the boards, if you can't see that you are deluding yourself, maybe people are logging on and getting fed up having Solution products rammed down their throat every day.
My comments would be just the same if it was any other supplier.
Phil
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I use a ninja, and touch wood I havent had any problems with it and it does a good job, I've got the external steam mate with mine which is a nice bit of kit (the built in steamate would be better though) instant controllable heat goes a long way, but if I were buying new now I would look at a lot of other machines as well, things have come on a long way since I brought mine and there are some really nice portables about now,as well as some good entry level truckmounts (both new and second hand) appearing at better prices than they used to, horses for courses I suppose, you gets what you pays for, Andy
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From my own personal experience
1st Cross- American
2nd Extracta
3rd Alltec
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Interesting comment from Fin. The Cross American, or Recoil, from Ed Valentine might appear to be new to some, in its UK version, but it's been around for some time with the " turbo " option.
I owned a Stimvak a few years ago which I always felt could be upgraded along similar lines, but possibly the market in the UK is too small for anyone to take the gamble, so we get a series of imports, which are rebadged and doubled in price.
I've also been following the advances, in o/p machines for some time, and wondered when someone would bring them into the UK.
I experimented with the little Oreck, but it's just a toy
robbie
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I used an op machine at a demo recently and was impressed. Takes a little getting used too, but results are a step up from a normal rotary and the type of pads are different and easier to use. You can also use glides with them (not wand glides).
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Phil,don't make assumptions m8.
My comments were not aimed at anyone in particular,but simply based on what I have seen all over this board and others.
I can't help feeling a member is being headhunted and victimised and somehow almost any post on any subject sooner or later gets turned around and used against that member,it is spoiling the image of the forum.
On the subject of selling on Ebay,other suppliers have been doing it for ages,I cannot see any posts condemning them for selling to the public.
Most suppliers would also sell to the general public,business is business.
Just to clarify Phil,please don't take any of my comments personally.
John
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the best portie is the one which you can change the pump or vac on the job in less than 15mins
so I'd go with the old Prochem Cheyanne.
the Kleenrite machine that Paul Mentioned is a terrible machine to work on, because everything is squeezed into such a tight space you can't get to the fixing bolts without having 20inch long fingers. and the the pump!!!! try changing that in a hurry! I think the whole machine was molded around the motor.
the pressure regulator is impossible to get out without destroying the fixings.
but when it working its an excellent machine
Mike
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Mike
I think you are talking about the older version machines ( Edge 1) The Edge 2 is very easy to work on,it opens up and all areas are easy to get at.
Had to put a new inline heater in recently and was straight forward, took 15 minutes.
Pump and vacs are easily accessable.
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must be.
I changed the pumps motor on my mates and we could'nt get in to bolt it down & none of the high pressure solution lines could be undone because we could get a spanner in it was a git!! :P :P
Mike
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The Kleenrite Edge 2 as Mike has said is great when it’s working; one of the best high performance extractors in the market, the pre-heat option is a godsend on trashed pub/club carpets. I agree servicing can be laborious with this machine, but the plug and go connectors help. You need to work on the vacs with the machine on its side and an assistant certainly helps. The in-line heater is a little more complex, as you can change either the thermostats or element depending on fault, or the complete unit.
You do however have to remove the pump motor assembly to service or replace the Pumptec pump. Which means removing the vac motors for better accessibility.
It’s worth putting together a toolbox to suit your specific machine i.e. long reach screwdrivers, socket sets and an assortment of open-ended and ratchet spanners, mole grips etc. It makes a world of difference in time and aggravation.
Also a magnetic pick up tool is useful for lost screws, nuts and washers.
Ask the manufacturer for recommended spare parts as well. Parts wear, so my advice is service regularly.
Also descale regularly and I prefer to use liquid cleaning agents with these plunger pumps over powdered products, which can clog the ports and valves.
Since 1994 I have owned quite a few high-performance extractors ranging from 300 psi-1000 psi. The easiest so far to work on and service has been CFR.
I think your currently spoilt for choice at the moment with the number of high performance portables in the market place. So I would look at ease of use, build quality, performance-what do you need, can I run longer hose lengths without the need to take it upstairs etc, accessibility for service and repair. Have a few demonstrations and then make your mind up!
Regards
Steve