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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: vangaurd on September 13, 2006, 07:02:26 pm
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just had a qute from clean smart for machine hand tool stair tool 2 25ft hoses price 2299 b4 vat anybody know any cheaper ?
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Vanguard im not sure of anyone cheaper. My question is have you tried the speedster and is it any good? Is it as good as they say it is?
Regards
Damian.
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hvent tried it but steve gunn reckons its the biZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Steve Gunn is a good lad but DO NOT BUY A MACHINE only on someones elses opinion even mine 8)
Whats good for me may be rubbish for you. And forget about price your making an investment so stop counting pennies.
Mark
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Mark's advice is spot on,shop around first.
Although it does look a half decent machine.
is it the standard model or inc auto fill/dump-
John
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hi there vanguard
woodbridge do this machine for £1690 + vat
my opion is the speedster is a very good machine for the money
if i was buying another twin vac portabile thats the one i would be
going for
marks right try it for your self but keep acount of the pennys
remenber pennys make a pound
davy
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Pound for pound its a good machine remember vanguard has been using a extracta cx with 50psi pump so anything would be an improvement on that ;)
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It is being marketed very cleverly as a potential alternative to a small truckmount. I'd certainly be interested in hearing whether someone actually does this. Apart from a few hoses and perhaps a bit more vac than most I don't see how it differs from most other serious porties.
I think I read a post where someone has a Ninja in van (400psi/extra vac/ +steammate) and reckons far better than mytee.
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i have the speedster though i have decided to sell it as i have a t/m cant be bothered with the set up anymore though i know i will regret it. in my opinion it is very good and does what it says.
the £1650 is i think without hoses and wand and of course plus the dreaded VAT .
good advice given by not taking anyones word for it so try it for yourself before buying and look at other options as though it suited me it may not suit you.
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Is there anyone on here who's actually used both the Speedster and the Ninja?
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me .
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And . . .
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But you didn't see it as a Truckmount Lite then?
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the speedster does the same job as the ninja much lighter and easier to move around
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What I meant was you used it as a portie never as a potential van based system which is how it's being marketed to me.
All I'm saying is if it's being used succesfully as a van based sytem then they are on to a real winner, if it's a clever marketing angle to differentiate it from other porties but it doesn't deliver then that's a bit noughty.
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hi mike. no i never used it as a t/m lite but cant see why it could not be used for that purpose though i dare say the limitations on the length of hose woud come in to play. i used 100ft with not problem so cant comment on anything further. but i dare say any portable with the psi and vac power has that potential. have a word with matt at cleansmart and ask him what is maximum working length of the hoses on the speedster as i am sure he has done some tests
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If you want to use a portable machine "truck mounted" then only one machine will do the job.
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?categoryID=110
Three x 3 stage vacs. 300 psi pump. Buy the seperate large water / waste tanks to carry water on your van.
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Ninja has all the above, plus heat and a extra 100psi.
But in my book its all to expensive, i looked into all this vanmount buisness.
And the ninja with all the extras come to around 4k, then you gotta get water tanks and a pump etc.
A Woodbridge starter t/m is around the 6k mark, and i would think it would out-perform them all, will last longer, will require less messing about and will look more impressive.
If you do mostly domestic, and can get a setup like this between 2-3k its prob worth it, but at 4k ::) id rather have the real thing.
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Exactly red. I've got a standard ninja and quite fancy not having to spend my life setting up and packing away.
However I'm not convinced that it's a goer as extra vac and 400psi motor are big bucks. And you still have to run your power extensions. The Prowler is looking tempting expecially as I really don't want a full size van (some time off mind).
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I thought the same, until i got my new van, now i wonder how i ever managed without it.
I used to have to drag half my kit out to get to something at the back in the old one (ford courier)
Now i have a mobile workshop ;D, i step into the van and pick out what i need at leisure (citreon relay)
You wont look back, big van big t/m are gonna cost me £400 a month. And if i cant do a extra 4 jobs a month at a easier pace then i must be doing something wrong.
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Must admit the way you frame it, sounds like a no brainer. £400 a month is still quite a commitment to me at the moment though.
Also I can't reverse vans for toffee. ;D
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I wasted thousands trying to get achieve an electirc/portable van based set-up. Take my advice and dont do it because it cant be done.
Not enough power, too many leads and plugs, all the gear takes up too much space and of course the cost v a small TM.
Heed my advice.
Mark
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Mark,
Yes, read your previous posts. ;D
There was a guy with a Ninja in a funny van. Didn't he emmigrate in the end?
I will be sumo deadlifting the ninja up stairs for some while yet unfortunately. :(
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£400 a month is a commitment,
But at your prices its a days work, 2 suites and a lounge and its done.
You will spend more than a day over the month, lifting your machine in and out of van and filling and emptying.
So you will have more time to sell and market (wich is the important bit)
And even if you make the same profit for more work, it will be easier work ;)
And you will build your buisness quicker as more customers cleaned = more repeat and referall work next year ;)
So more commitment yes.
But
Less work.
Same or more profit.
Faster buisness building.
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red,
is that for a new van & t/m on lease or have you bought them separatley???
regards
steve
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Red,
Where do I sign?
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£400 a month is a commitment,
£400 a month to buy it.
£30 to £40 per week to run it.
Equals £520 to £560 per month.
Its still £400 a month in January, when nobody wants any carpets cleaning.
I dont find a T/M that much faster than a portable.
But its a lot dryer, and a lot deeper clean, so I will stick with my T/M.
But dont fall for all of the B/S that you read.
If you cant afford to SAVE £500 a month, dont buy a T/M yet.
Chris
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There have been two gentlemen I'm told, who very sucessfully operated a pair of 400/500 psi portables from smaller vans.
One was a Diahatsu, similar to our Suzuki in size, which can be driven through and parked in the tiniest of places.
The guy who operated the above had it well sussed and appeared to be operating very successfully, BUT because he was happy to charge moderate prices and be BUSY he got his ears chewed on here and stopped posting.
The ' funny ' van, is a superb vehicle for this work and costs a great deal less to buy and run than the massive vehicles used for T/Ms
Success in business is the bottom lime and there is more than one way of achieving it.
Chris's post is refreshing in it's honesty
Angie
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If we were starting up, or not backing, out of this business, the machine that appeals to us most , has to be the Prowler
This is close to the concept my husband has always dreamed of, but a bit overpriced, unfortunately.
Angie
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angela
what ever happens please do not stop posting on this forum. i find your comments refreshing and to the point but more importantly down to earth
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A tm I find is a good bit quicker on larger jobs. On single carpet jobs theres only a small 5-10min saving. On some jobs it will take longer ie. when you have to run 150ft to the front door.
Email Davy Morton. He was out with me on Wednesday. He'll tell you how we did.
Mark
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hi ive been running prtys out of my "funny vans " for about 8 years i think ! first was a speedtser machine second is a ninja and just for the record i only paid £3000 for my top range ninja , but the ninja is by far the better machine vacs seem better pump is better and heat is brill, and hav used truckmounts before and like the portys better the way i use them and find them faster on jobs but thats just my thinking , my setup is superb for domestics and cant justfie a truckmount, and rember i use custys electric , and can hav much smaller van so my costs are lot less , and can do as much work in a day as a truckmount no prob with very good results as the ninja pumps out steam even at 100ft so cutting through the dirt , and i hav found when using truckmounts that my ninja holds the heat better anyone thinking of buying a truckmount for doing mainly domestics should come c my setup in action ,not knocking truckmounts as they hav there place, just as high powered portys do but i dont agree with some truckmounters veiws about doing jobs qicker and earning more money etc etc over the way i di it ,its just not true i hav used both methods !!
gary
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When did you have your Speedster, aren't they new in this country?
I've owned a Ninja for about 6 years and recently tried out a Speedster - the Speedster is definitely much more powerful on vac, the pump is more powerful at 450psi, and it's a lot cheaper. I have to say I'd now go for the SPeedster out of the two.
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hi the speedster has bin sold for years all under diffrent names but same machine, what ninja model do u hav? my two speedsters were called seahawks with 400psi pumps 2 x 3stage vacs and a 2000 watt inline internal heater s my ninja is 400psi 3000 watt inline internal heater 2x3stage vacs auto fill auto dump and a built in tank heater and side by side the ninja has better suck pump holds it pressure better at long hoses and fantastic heat, imo the speedtsers are a great top end porty but it cant beat the ninja for performace and build
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Hi c/co, I remember you taling of a business in Spain. If you got something started, I hope you're luckier than we were with our daughter.
Set her up with a small Bar, but she let us down.
Best wishes
Angie
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hi Gary, good to see you back ;)
i have not long switched from porty of 4 years to TM
the TM in the early years i could simply not have afforded, yes TMs are on the whole quicker but they are not cheap to run, you have to be busy to justifie TM. i think i got it just the right time, my advice get busy then buy one.
looking back on the years running my porty it was just so damn cheap!!!!!!!!!
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Garys set up, i have allways thought makes sense and is very well thought out.
I very nearly went down this route myself.
The problem is it does have limitations, as im sure Garry will admit. So i thought i may as well go the whole hog, at least this way i will be able to deal with anything i come across.
Not looking forward to the fuel bills though. Just hope it speeds me up enough to be worth it.
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We will be doing a new machine that will be retailed at a very low price. We have put a 500 psi pump in 2 X 3 Stage vacuums and internal heat exchanger
I cannot give you a retail price but it will be lower than the prices here
Vernon
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I this right?
Got a Ninja so you'd think it would be the cheapest route with add ons for truckmount porty.
Steamate £600
Vacbooster £500+vat
Autofill£?
Autodump£?
Got to be talking £1300 at least. How much is the speedster or Mitee?
Then of course add in all those extra extension leads and RCDs ;)
I think Derek is the most effective type of salesman, you don't realise you have been sold at all, you just think he's giving you friendly advice. ;D
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time i paid you another visit vernon need to see these wands and hand tools
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hi i only paid 3000 including vat for topspec ninja
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Was that all new from ashbys, with 400psi motor and all of above. If so that's a reasonable deal?
Are you still trying to sell your setup, I thought you were moving on to greener pastures?
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hi yes it was new moving fell through
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Sorry to hear that CC maybe something better is in the offing.
Just for the record, I quite like your 'funny' van. ;D
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yes very good van id recomend to anyone
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they got real good reviews them vans.
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Ashbys wont sell you one for 3k anymore or they wouldnt for me i asked, the one i was gonna get from them was closer to 4k and it didnt even have a tank heater.
To get one with Garrys spec is around 4k now. And i think they have just put up prices aswell, so may be more.
And then to use it like Garry you need a pump and a tank on top.
I spoke to Derek and a couple others there and tried to strike a bargain, but they wouldnt have it.
It looks a really good machine, but 4k for that or 6k for Woodbridge t/m, and you get two tanks and a reel with the t/m aswell.
The woodbridge has got to be the better buy.
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hi myprice didnt include any hoses or wands as i had them just machine
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6K for a TM with 2 tanks and a reel? are you sure ???
Nick
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hi nick i played peter manley last friday 701 when he finished i had 80 left if only i didnt hit that damn 3 id have been in with a shout :)
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Has Peter Manley got a truckmount aswell :-\
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no but he has nearly earned the money to get one ;) ;)
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Fair play to Derek for having a firm stance on price. He has a good product, but wonder if sales will gardually tale off as other similar spec machines become available, and more importantly bend over backwards to give you great after sales services.
If you look at the concept of a Prowler in a second hand midi van, suddenly the Ninja T/M seems even less attractive. Unless a second hand set up like Gary's is for sale.
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Peter Manly used to live at my dads house :o
Ive beaten him a few times but he has caned me loads of times.
London Vs Surrey this weekend (Manly has played for both so have i 8))
The edge snooker club
117 Bruce grove
E16 6 ur
Laters i need to pratice!!
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good luck ;)
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Gary,
I seem to remember you posted some pics of your van layout but can't find them. Also any 'tricks' to getting over issues, like do you have leccy cables on bif reels or just extensions etc?
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" Has Peter Manley got a truckmount as well :-\"
With a name like that you would think he should have, as from what i read, all TM operators are MANLY beasts to cope with such power ;D ;)
A bit like lion tamers with knee pads ::)
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Yep 6k, for t/m and tanks hoses and tools all fitted, thinking about it i might be wrong about the reel at that price but even if i am its only a couple hundred more.
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red last time i looked the reel was over £400. think you struck a good deal getting that for 6k was that the 20
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The pro mount 15 is about £6000
http://www.wcsuk.com/pages/equipset8a.html
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HI MIKE there is pics on here some were as for leads my machines hav 50ft leads which is normal enough but i hav 50ft ext leads if needs be but they must be very heavy duty from a elcy shop not bq
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http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.net/images/mytee-speedster1005.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.carpet-cleaning-equipment.net/mytee_portable_extractors.shtml&h=230&w=164&sz=9&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=siENF6v9h2-QpM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=77&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmytee%2Bspeedster%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG
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spitfire 3.2 is only £7,500
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gary's tmNinja
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14392.20