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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: DavidX on August 29, 2006, 06:08:05 pm
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Hiya Everyone.
I was about to buy a 50 LITRE CRICKET TROLLEY for about £729.95.
The only problem is I was not keen on buying it without trying it out to see if it was any good so I ask the compamy out of the catalogue if I can go up to see them and try 50 LITRE CRICKET TROLLEY or have a day training course before I buy.
Because I have a lot of questions to ask and don't feel comfortable spending that kind of money without seeing it first.
Do any of you guys have a suggestion what should I do? I really want to get myself a wfp trolley.
I am based in S W london if anyone out there have a wfp trolley and feel kind enough to show me your wfp trolley I would be grateful but anyone out there in the uk got suggestion.
Thank Dave
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Dave,
I've never heard of this system; have you a link to their web-site showing the item?
If you don't know how to post a link, ask here and I'll explain.
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Yes same here, Who makes it? Give us the web address and we will pass judgment.
In any case you if your not sure you go and see them. If it takes a day and a few quids worth of petrol its better to loose that than waste £700, unless of coures your on £800 a day.
steve@freshwatersystems.co.uk
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Ionics make it.
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Look at this 50 litre trolley:-
www.window-tools.com
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This system is made by ionics. I was tempted to get one last year, but it only holds 20 mins worth of water (according to ionics) and takes 8 minutes to refill.
It also is very bulky so you would need a van to transport it around. the one I almost bought was a second hand one, a friend purchased a van system and bought the cricket also, after 6 months he found he wasn't using it so he wanted to offload it.
If you want a trolley IMHO
look elsewhere
Hope this helps
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Hi Tosh
Some guy gave me the ionic systems 2006 catalogue. I have not look on their website but here it is.
www.ionicsystems.com
Thank Dave
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does freshwater systems have a website ?
rgds
stu
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To be honest I cant understand why anyone who gets a trolley doesnt get the omnitrolley.
It holds 50 ltr,its small and eay to manouvre with its large wheels.
It also looks so much more professional than the others as everything is concealed.
Iv been using mine week in week out for almost 3 years now without a minutes trouble.
Hope this helps.
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hi petski2
can you tell me where i can find out more about omnitrolley? and where you bought it.
Thank Dave
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David,
Are you planning to work from a van or a car?
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hi ian m
I have read your reply and i am curious what wfp trolley you got?
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hi Tosh
C
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hi Tosh
A car mate
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hi Tosh
A car mate
If you're planning on using a car, unless other forum members can advise otherwise; don't go for a trolley system. They're difficult to get out of a car; especially if you still carry ladders; which most WFP users still do.
One local window cleaner I know has to remove his ladders everytime he wants to get his trolley system out of his car; and he finds he uses far more water than me, even if we clean the same amount of properties.
If you plan on working from a car, get a Shurflo backpack; they're great for working out of a car.
However, with a backpack, I'd advise you to do 'tops only' (mostly unless it's Georgian or Leaded) and squeegie the ground floor stuff you can easily reach.
Also, there's another option; cheaper than a van (safer (apparantly) too); do a search here for trailer WFP systems or use a trolley system with a trailer. Another local window cleaner used to do this before he purchased a van; still using the same trailer system.
But honestly, unless another member here has a good experience with working with a trolley system from a car, I'd strongly advise you to go down the backpack route.
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why not try a trailer system,
for example our Domi trailer holds 400 ltrs of water either d/i or r/o
and can be towed by nearly every type of car,
trailers require no mot,tax etc,
and there is a full insurance available nowadays,
there are some other trailers out there
and no im not sly selling its just that youve mention back-packs, troleys and van systems
why not a trailer.
rgds,
stuart
www.skypolesystems.com (http://www.skypolesystems.com)
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Thank Tosh and Stuart for your reply.
I will have to look into it and see if I can find somone who sell backpack who will give a training course.
I got to see if I am happy with it before I buy it.
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David,
Had a look in Ionics literrature. With a little bit of work you could build your own.
A pressure vessel (the blue water tank) cost £155 plus vat, then you could use a single 35" vessel or two 18" vessels for your resin £100 plus vat, bag of resin £80 plus vat and then a few connectors say £30 plus vat and a trolly you can get these all over the place. So whats that add up to £430 plus say £30 delivery so £460 that leaves you a lot of cash for the trolly, you could have a silver & dimond encrusted one, or just pocket the savings.
steve@freswhatersystems.co.uk
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David
I doubt very much that anyone selling a back pack will also offer a training course.
They might offer a quick once over if you go and collect it though.
No matter what system you buy once you are at the window the same methods apply so if you have any friends locally who have been using WFP successfully your best bet is to go and get some real on the job training. Offer them a days free labour or whatever. I have had quite a few local lads ask for days out with my guys and if they are legit I always try to help.
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hi freshwater
I have been told you can build your own.
The only thing I worry about is I don't want to buy somthing without trying it. The thing is I not sure how much water I need to clean one house.
Small thing like that. I need to know all the small details which is why I need somone to show me so I can see if it do the jobs like clean the windows well! and sills and frames.
It worry me that I can lose work if I don't how to use it right.
I got a polo car which iideally I would like a trolley with five 50 litre tank or what ever you call them but I was told that one 50 litre was needed to clean one house.
So i thought if i have 5 of them then i don't need to come home everytime to fill up 50 litre with water.
But then again i not sure how big 50 litre is?
dave
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Bought mine from Cleantech.co.uk
But original site is omnipole.com
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if your going for a trolley system, and i use mine from a estate car (dont even carry ladders now)
you could go DIY, build your own full whack system for about 500 quid
e.mail me for a link to a guide to build your own
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David
I didn't go for a trolley in the end. I have a 125l tank in the back of a kangoo car.
Also I use a di bottle straight from a customers outside tap.
I know this method isn't very popular on this board but it works for me as I have a very well established round where I can park up and do house after house for hours on end.
definitely ask to accompany someone to let them show you the ropes.
Hope this helps
Ian
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Good evening everyone,
The Ionics Cricket will be of little use to someone in a hard water area, due to the depletion of the resin in it. I have seen this in operation and although it does what it says on the packet, warning bells ring out on the actual running costs for replacement filters etc. It would also be too big to fit in a car, unless it was an estate car with the rear seats down.
Andrew
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I would happily use the DI vessel only route if my customers were in a very soft water area but I see you are SW London David. It will cost you a small fortune in resin to do any decent amount of work.
Your car is also a rather small one to work effectively with any decent amount of water on board. For what it's worth as I see it your 2 best options are either a small trailer system or probably better still a back pack. The one good thing about a back pack is that you will always find it usefull even if you move up to more capable kit. It's a real entry level way of getting into WFP without breaking the bank and you will be able to use one from your present car.. Don't go getting too deep into the technicalities of how WFP works or you will just get confused. Honestly find a mate who uses WFP or ask here for someone local to you and go out and work in the real world with one for a day and you will get a very good idea of what will suit you and see how it works.
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Hiya Everyone.
I was about to buy a 50 LITRE CRICKET TROLLEY for about £729.95.
The only problem is I was not keen on buying it without trying it out to see if it was any good so I ask the compamy out of the catalogue if I can go up to see them and try 50 LITRE CRICKET TROLLEY or have a day training course before I buy.
Because I have a lot of questions to ask and don't feel comfortable spending that kind of money without seeing it first.
Do any of you guys have a suggestion what should I do? I really want to get myself a wfp trolley.
I am based in S W london if anyone out there have a wfp trolley and feel kind enough to show me your wfp trolley I would be grateful but anyone out there in the uk got suggestion.
Thank Dave
As others have said, the Cricket uses a DI unit which would be very expensive to run in a hard water area.
However, there may be another issue. I am going by memory here so it's possible that I'm confusing the Cricket with another brand of trolley. I think that the Cricket may be dependent on having access to an outside tap to give it the necessary pressure. If you are in a hospipe ban/drought order affected area, it may count as being an appliance that is directly connected to the mains and therefore illegal to use currently or possibly in the near future. As I say, I may be confusing the Cricket with something else so you would need to check this out first but either way, that resin would cost a small fortune to run it.
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If you are in london then you have hard water, as mentione by previous posts DI will empty your wallet quickly as running at about 350ppm of TDS whic your water will be will use anout 1 litre of resin for every 150 litres of produced water. If you did buy the Cricket this would mean a £56.60 filter change every 1500 to 2000 litres of water. (average use is 200 to 300 litres per day).
In your situation I would opt for a small RO, a medium sized sorage tank at home and then a small portable trolly with tanks that will fit in your car.
steve@freshwatersystems.co.uk
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I am going to have to start using the spelllllllchecker, sorry for all the mistakes, hope you can understand.
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Thank for your reply everyone.
I let you know soon what I will do.
David
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I am going to have to start using the spelllllllchecker, sorry for all the mistakes, hope you can understand.
stev plz use the spel chekker ;D
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There is a slight safety issue with loads of 25ltr tanks in the back of your
they need to be secure
only stating the obvious
rgds
stuart
www.skypolesystems.com (http://www.skypolesystems.com)