Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Clear Vision on August 23, 2006, 07:36:25 pm
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Driving through a small village today and I saw a small police van coming towards me. I didn't have time to reach over and put my belt on. I looked back In my wing mirror and saw them hitting the brakes. Doh!
I pulled Into a small shop car park and parked tight up to the wall to hide from them. I went Into the shop shop to get a tin of juice and a sweet and when I came out they were parked next to the van >:(
So I was called in to there van where they Issued me with a ticket >:(
Before they gave me the ticket she said "this Is going to be an expensive tea break for you"
I replied, "why? How much Is the fine?"
She said, "30 quid"
I didn't like there attitude so I cheackly replied back. "Oh Is that all. The next house I'm going to only takes me 40mins and I charge 30 quid. So that will pay for It ;D No skin off my nose" ;D
They didn't like that so I shut up.
They must be tight for cash just now! Why can't they go out and catch some real criminals??? Ar** holes!! >:(
Anyway why should us window cleaners have to wear seat belts? Postmen and milkmen are exempt!!! Where I live a postie might have to travell up to 2 miles to his next house! I was only going about 1/4 of a mile.
The law Is all wrong!
My girlfriends father was In a very serious crash years ago and he wasn't wearing his belt. The car rolled about 6 times and was embeded Into a large tree when It came to a halt. He was thrown around Inside the car and he ended up In the passenger seat. The drivers side was all caved in and If It wasn't for the fact he wasn't wearing his belt he wouldn't be here today!
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You don't realise do you.
The police won't spend their time tracking down real criminals as that just doesn't generate enough money for the government. If they go out looking for jo bloggs for a quick £30 easy peasy they can probably get quite a few in a day.
Like you said, you've earnt in 40 mins what they take hours to do, who laughs last laughs loudest!
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I also saw a car crash were the driver came shooting out of the windscreen and had his head decapitated.
He wasn't wearing a seatbelt either. ???
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Come on.. it was a fair cop and you know it ;)
You did the crime and you got nicked. Just as I did a few years ago.
She who must be obeyed used to manage a charity shop. Every now and then they put those bags you get through the door out for collecting. Guess who used to get roped into collecting them? Yes.. me coz I have vans.
Anyway that really is door to door driving but you have to go from one street to another as you go. Every time I did this the Mrs who was always with me (To make sure I didnt go through the bags first) :) would tell me off for not wearing my seat belt.
One time whilst doing this good deed a very nice boy in blue pulled me over and commenced to to tell me all about wearing a seat belt no matter how short the journey. I was doing really well saying "Its all for charity etc" and he had just said OK take this as a warning... WHEN... Guess who piped up saying.. I am always telling him about this.. blah.. blah. Oh yes he says.. gets his book out and fines me 30 rotten quid!! He says to the Mrs.. he will listen to you now. :(
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you should fight it if they dont actualy stop you and your in the car with the keys in it they are on to rice and that comes from my mate who is a cop
if you get pulled turn off the engine and take the key out and even step out the car they hate this they say were you driving without a seat belt on you say no if they do u
take it all the way and you will get of with it
the reason for this your engine was not ingaged and you were not in charge of a vehicle this is a good loop hole belive me from some one who knows no s,,t ;)
will get a thousand now ive told ya
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At the end of the day its an offence to drive without your seatbelt on, just like its an offence to use your mobile while driving , and how many people do you see doing that
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My girlfriends father was In a very serious crash years ago and he wasn't wearing his belt. The car rolled about 6 times and was embeded Into a large tree when It came to a halt. He was thrown around Inside the car and he ended up In the passenger seat. The drivers side was all caved in and If It wasn't for the fact he wasn't wearing his belt he wouldn't be here today!
You may know of this one case, I'm sure if you asked an average traffic cop he would tell you of the 100s of lives seat belts have saved.
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you should fight it if they dont actualy stop you and your in the car with the keys in it they are on to rice and that comes from my mate who is a cop
if you get pulled turn off the engine and take the key out and even step out the car they hate this they say were you driving without a seat belt on you say no if they do u
take it all the way and you will get of with it
the reason for this your engine was not ingaged and you were not in charge of a vehicle this is a good loop hole belive me from some one who knows no s,,t ;)
will get a thousand now ive told ya
Wish I'd known that one! >:(
If I did take It all the way and I went to court and lost do I have to pay legal fees???
How much could It cost me If I loose.
There was two of them who spoted me. So could I still have got off with It?
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You may know of this one case, I'm sure if you asked an average traffic cop he would tell you of the 100s of lives seat belts have saved.
Yes that may be the case and thats exactly what the police want you to hear. They never tell you of all the people who have died with lap belts cutting into them.
It's the same with the goverment. They only tell you what they want you to to hear!
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So next time you are bombing down the motorway at 70 mph just ask yourself one question,
If I hit something what is my best chance of survival, wearing a seat belt which may give me whiplash or other serious injury OR would I prefer to carry on travelling at 70 mph through the windscreen & smash into what ever I have hit.
Err, that's a tough one
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seat belts save 000's of lives on our roads
what a strange thread this is
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Passed a traffic cop a week or so ago
We were monovering past each other I realised I had not put my belt on :'( :'(
I hoped he would not notice. ???
As we were level I herd “SEAT BELT” :-[
I replied “YES SORRY”
Never seen him after
I think he was one of the very rare cops that could see my ladders
Realised I was moving in and out and used his common sense. :)
But if I had been on a main road I think I’d be £30 pound shorter for my week.
L Plate
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The police aren't really 'police' are they? Not really!
They're more like government revenue generators.
Even the ruddy Community Support Police; the only time I ever seee them is in nice-quiet areas checking road tax discs or writing out tickets for parking infringements.
Where are they during pub closing time, or when there's a mass of Chavs hanging around our local Tescos Express; frightening the old pensioners?
I'll tell you, they're no-where to be seen; since they've hit their governmental-set quota for crime-busting; because they aim for the soft targets.
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Wish I never started this one.
Seems some people aren't too happy with what I have said.
I don't want to stir anything or upset anyone.
So I'm sorry If I've said anything you dont like.
I was just telling you what happened to me. Thats all.
No harm meant.
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So next time you are bombing down the motorway at 70 mph just ask yourself one question,
If I hit something what is my best chance of survival, wearing a seat belt which may give me whiplash or other serious injury OR would I prefer to carry on travelling at 70 mph through the windscreen & smash into what ever I have hit.
Err, that's a tough one
If you have a crash at over 40 MPH, the difference a seat belt makes to your survival is negligible.
Fact.
If you're a grown up and don't want to wear one; that's upto you.
I personally think our police have better things to do with their time than 'nanny' people who don't wear seat belts.
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Have you noticed how young they look now aswell?
That's when you know your getting old :-[
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I know half a dozen people who have come out of very minor crashes with severe whip lash. i was involved in a crash at 60 with no belt and only suffered a slight bruise from the air bag, the other driver who had on a belt had extremly severe whiplash.
The seat belt rule is now just a revenue raiser by a nanny state exactly like speed cams.
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So stop wearing a seat belt.
If you get whiplash it means the head rest is the wrong height.
How comes so many people know so many people who injuries were made worse by seat belts or who survived better off by not wearing them?
What did you all do, go back and re create the exact accident with a seatbelt to arrive at the answer? And then repeated it over and over again with different criteria?
A lot of research went into seatbelts and head rests or what ever they are called. Do you seriously think that these rules are just for money? If you do then sorry, but there is no answer anyone can give you other than one that is to your liking based on your own limited experience.
Speed cams have nothing to do with raising revenue. They have to do with accident blackspots and where people have died on more than one occassion. Speed camera's came about because of drivers speeding... Der..... It does not take much working out. If you drive at the speed limit and not above ... Or are some car drivers entittled to break the law with impunity?
Check out the facts first before doing a 'Sun newspaper' knee jerk reaction.
Sorry to sound abrasive but just do some research instead of jumping on the media bandwagon.
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Well said Ross and nice to see you back again :)
JohnL
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Hi JohnL
Cheers mate. Had a few pc problems. Hope you are ok.
The speed camera thing being about money is a joke. If it was about money then why aren't they everywhere? Some don't think clearly. It's not as if they are hidden?
Cheers
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Oh dear...can't help myself, now Ross has involved 'Revenue cams' into the arguement I'm sure it is going to spawn lots of replies, good and bad about them.
Mostly I think they suck, they are more about catching speeders not slowing them down.
They are of course put up as a deterent, but they are without a shadow of a doubt also viewed as revenue generators, and they ARE NOT always at accident black spots.
If an accident blackspot is ahead, then there should be a big warning sign that will inform unsuspecting motorists of what lies ahead, hell it could even say speed cam in operation ahead.
Motorists can slow down safely then instead of slamming on the brakes at the last minute.
They rarely catch local drivers, lets face it, we all know where the speed cams are in our own particular area, and if you get caught it is probably because your attention has wandered and you haven't realised your speed has crept up over the limit.
Even the local boy racers are forced to slow down for 150 yards...before screaming off at breakneck speed again.
As for the original topic of being nabbed without a seatbelt, I think you may have had to have disputed the fact with the officers at the time, I'm not sure how your conversation with them went, you may well have incriminated yourself, pay your fine and take your lumps :-\
Seat belts save far more lives than the other way around, Tosh says that they are more of a danger at speeds of over 40 mph, as to that I have absolutely no idea whether he is right or wrong, first time I've heard that in fact.
But most accidents are under 40 mph, and even those over 40 mph don't always mean you are in a head on impact, and the seatbelt holds you in place while you are being thrown around.
Half the time I don't have my own seatbelt on....unless I am in the car with Tosh, and then he makes sure I have the seatbelt on ::)
Doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with seat belts, you get caught not wearing them, no matter the duration of the journey and you get fined...
Whiplash is a two way thing, a head rest prevents your head going backwards, but it won't stop it snapping forwards, so it is only a partial answer to whiplash.
Have an airbag, you won't be able to claim compo for whiplash then....just the smashed in face and broken nose ;D
Ian
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i see loads of coppers not wearing seatbelts coz ive been done 3 times, and always watch out hOw many wear them.And when they stop you they think they are hitler.
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I am sure everyone has their own opinion on this and this is mine - I will not take anyone in my car if they refuse to wear a seat belt, especially if they are seated in the back. If I have an accident I certainly don't want to suffer unecessary injury because the person sitting behind me has crashed into my seat!
I feel sick every time I pass a vehicle with children in climbing all over the seats with no belts on, we could argue that adults have the decision making ability to choose but children don't and the best way to ensure everyone is safe is make sure EVERYONE wears their belt no matter how short the journey.
Fox
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I feel sick every time I pass a vehicle with children in climbing all over the seats with no belts on, we could argue that adults have the decision making ability to choose but children don't and the best way to ensure everyone is safe is make sure EVERYONE wears their belt no matter how short the journey.
Fox
Totally agree, if the police see this then the driver gets fined as anyone under 16 years is the drivers responsibility.
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i see loads of coppers not wearing seatbelts coz ive been done 3 times, and always watch out hOw many wear them.And when they stop you they think they are hitler.
the police DO NOT need to wear them if :
a. they are on a "shout"
b. have a prisoner in the back
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I feel sick every time I pass a vehicle with children in climbing all over the seats with no belts on, we could argue that adults have the decision making ability to choose but children don't and the best way to ensure everyone is safe is make sure EVERYONE wears their belt no matter how short the journey.
Fox
last weekend i saw a lady driving a 206 CC (the convertable type) with the top down and 2 little girls (about 5 - 7 ish) in the back standing up
shocking
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if you were out of the car how can they prove you did not have it on ???
I would have said no I had it on,and ask them to prove it :-X
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It amazing that so many on this forum are willing to break the law, or pervert the law, but when they hear that some is sighing on the dole and working at window cleaning, then they are up in arms.
Are there some laws that can be broken or does it depend on who is breaking them.
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The law is the law, no matter what you think of it.
The seat belt is there for your safety, don't wear it you get fined - simple??
The speed limit is there for a reason, break it and you get fined/banned - simple??
I know I may sound like I am too good to be true, but I don't wear my seatbelt very often, I see it as betting against myself, but if I get nicked then it's a fair cop really.
I will also wage that I have been nicked for speeding at probably the highest speed of anyone on this forum, and I took the consequences as I shouldn't have been doing it.
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I was in a serious crash when I was 17. My daft mate had just bought a mini van 3 days after passing his test. We were coming down the A69 in Northumberland which had major roadworks and it was raining heavy. He ploughed into another car which was stationary at temporary lights. We bounced off and were flung across the other carraigeway and were missed by an artic by inches. I had a seat belt on, he didn't, he seen it coming and managed to grab on for dear life, however he still it the windscreen and has a 3 inch scar on his head to this day. We went back to see the wreckage, the corner of the bonnet was up into the windsreen right in front of the passenger seat. The copper said if I hadn't been wearing a belt I would have been ripped to shreds. I had the bruise of the belt across my chest for 6 months. That shows you the force I would have been projected forward. I wouldn't drive 2 yards without a belt on now, in fact I feel naked without one.
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i can safely say, with all my faults, i 100% wear a seatbelt
reason
if i have a car crash, i still want to see my daughter grow up
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if you were out of the car how can they prove you did not have it on ???
I would have said no I had it on,and ask them to prove it :-X
I should have said that terry but sometimes when your In a situation you don't think of It until afterwards.
I assumed because there was 2 of them and only one of me I wouldn't have a leg to sand on?
Any way lesson learnt!
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got stopped today,police spot check in gloucester, at least 2o police,6 trading standard officers, and 6
or more from the inland revenue were pulling over mainly vans, "the working man again,easy target" my transit was givern a right old inspection, then i was interviewd by trading standards, and then get this,i was intererviewd by 3 people from the inland revenue, they wanted my national insuarance number,when i started in buisness, what my yearly turnover was, etc etc etc. i didnt realise my tracking was out and one of my front tyres was worn on the inside edge, so they kept me their for not far off an hour untill a prohibition officer could look at it, he put a prohibition order on my van and untill i can put it through another MOT, take the details to local police headquaters and get prohibition lifted im not working.
all in all it took 20 police 6 trading standards and what thehell the inland revenue were doing their i dont know. tony blairs britain, god help us.
sometimes wish i was an immigrant,be nice to have rights
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tony blairs britain, god help us.
sometimes wish i was an immigrant,be nice to have rights
Your right there! ;D
It's getting beyond a joke now!
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Hi all I just been reading this thread with intrest, Can I ask the following question.
The New law concerning seat belts with ref to children i.e any child shorter that 4.5ft (I think ) has to be placed on some form of child seat or Booster seat. does this apply to adults shorter than 4.5ft ????
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So all the Police spend all their time not worrying about minor offenses? They then spend all their time going after the big fish?
It amazes me that on the one hand people complain that 'nothing' gets done about people breaking the law on a minor scale but then moan about speed cameras because they want to be able to break the law with impunity, and then the same people moan about organised crime and then complain when they get caught over minor offenses but expect others to not to break minor rules like begging.
I find it strange.
As for immigrants, once again check out the facts. It is not very hard to do. They don't have all the rights and we have none. Wake up and stop believing what the papers say in their usual distorted way.
So an immigrant turns up here and gets given a 4 bedroomed house all fitted out with new furniture. Yeah. Sure. How about actually finding out what rights an immigrant does actually have before making a bland 'Daily Mail' type comment.
My mates daughter got pregnant at 16 and now at 18 has her own 2 bedroom council house and £92 a week with her rent paid for and she pays £1 a week council tax.
Fact not fiction. We need to look closer to home first for abuses in the system.
As for being under height for wearing a seatbelt, that's a good question?
Going back to the seatbelt question, I wear one always. I had a mate years ago who said they were dangerous. He had a crash on the A3 near Raynes Park. He didn't have to be cut free like people in other cars. He'd gone through the windscreen and 50yds along the road. He was also speeding. Last I heard about him 10 odd years ago he was in and out of hospital with this problem and that. All of it was serious skeletal problems. I know half his head was metal plates and he had a crushed neck as he wore a neck brace all the time untill I last saw him.
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I seen an accident on the dual carriageway where I live not so long ago - vectra versus transit 350lwb, van crossed over in front of vectra, van driver not wearing a seatbelt, vectra driver never even had a chance to hit the brakes - 70mph to 0 instantly, van driver ejected through locked passenger door breaking the door off its hinges, that was 8 months ago, vectra driver released from hospital 2 weeks later, van driver still there.
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Rugby, I'll leave your post there, as it is a response to the one that Ross made.
For those that wonder where there posts have gone, I have deleted them.
This is a good thread but it should possibly be in 'Any other business'
It could equally be in any of the other areas of the forum too, we all use vehicles for work so looking at it from that angle it just about qualifies (in my opinion) to be able to stay in this section.
But please, try not to let it descend into chat or mutate into a political debate about imigrants or the police chasing real criminals instead of the motorist.
And Ross, stop introducing new little elements inside your replies!!! I couldn't resist responding myself when you mentioned speed cams! :P
Ian
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I know half a dozen people who have come out of very minor crashes with severe whip lash. i was involved in a crash at 60 with no belt and only suffered a slight bruise from the air bag, the other driver who had on a belt had extremly severe whiplash.
The seat belt rule is now just a revenue raiser by a nanny state exactly like speed cams.
A seat belt is in your car to save your life Mr Jones, if you are trying to say that you hit something at 60mph without a seat belt on and only came out with a slight bruise caused from the air bag then all I can say is, dream on ::) take my advice Mr Jones wear your seat belt and please dont try to fool others into thinking they will cause you injury in a crash.
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I was driving a new style range rover so pleanty of metal. The car that went into me was a megane and was a total write off . The driver had to be cut out. The driver had extremly bad whiplash if not broken bones.
The ambulance crew and fire brigade were amazed that I had come off so lightly but reconed it was a combination of the vehicle, my driving ie I had started to swerve out the way and the fact I'm built on the heavy side!
I do now wear a seat belt more often but I still think the police use every chance to make up the shortfall in goverment funding by milking the motorist at every opurtunity.