Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: matt on July 28, 2006, 08:46:41 pm
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just a quick 1 mike
first off,
after my short ban, can i just clarify a few things
i now understand i cannot link to the DIY site
is it ok for me to mention the DIY site ?? ??
as for example tonight
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=22370.0
i have a pic of a simple by-pass valve, ideal for what the guy wants in the thread, now normally i would just link to the thread (i understand this is against your wishes)
as ive "watermarked the pic" i cannot post the pic either
can i just mention the DIY site and let him find his own way to it
can i ask him to e.mail for a link
what would you prefere
i understand you pay the bills and its wrong to have rival boards try and poach users (though i must say, the DIY forum wasnt set-up to be a rival, (and never wil be, as its such a small nich), just a forum with all the question asked and answered in 1 small place)
i await your responce
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You been banned! :o not the first time then ;D
Andy
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Matt, I would take your ban as a compliment of the highest order. The more someone tries to ban something the more people want to see it.
Is this an attempt to stifle innovation?
I can see that if a large manufacturer stocks up on expensive parts, and someone comes up with an idea that renders them obsolete over night, they won't be best pleased. I am working on an idea at the moment that would do this to Peters auto brush. I have nothing against this guy, just thought of a better way of flow control.
Why should I not develope it for the benefit of all? Dai
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You been banned! :o not the first time then ;D
Andy
quick, go and tell your buddies they can all laugh
::) ::) ::)
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Matt, I would take your ban as a compliment of the highest order. The more someone tries to ban something the more people want to see it.
Is this an attempt to stifle innovation?
I can see that if a large manufacturer stocks up on expensive parts, and someone comes up with an idea that renders them obsolete over night, they won't be best pleased. I am working on an idea at the moment that would do this to Peters auto brush. I have nothing against this guy, just thought of a better way of flow control.
Why should I not develope it for the benefit of all? Dai
to be honest dai, i only come on here to help others, and i feel i achive that to a degree
the ban was only for the day, and i now want to tow the line so to speak, i have nothing against Mike, he runs a great helpfull forum here, its a forum i feel part of, unlike others who have the little "groups" that if your not part of, your not welcome
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You been banned! :o not the first time then ;D
Andy
quick, go and tell your buddies they can all laugh
::) ::) ::)
They have all gone fishing ;D
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Maybe I can post a link if you cannot, lets try. Not sure if its the right pic.
http://d.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=265 ok its worked for now.
Thinking things thro we all have a favorite forum and believe they are all free and without control. I posted a section that had a full list of all the other forums that I new about, including a USA link . One day it had all dissappeared. It took time to do and I was peeved because I thought that the forum was un biased.
But maybe all the operators of all forums dislike competittion after all, unlike your goodself Matt. ::)
Taking up on your little groups, maybe we are all a bit guilty of who we prefer to talk to whatever forum you are on. Its difficult to keep track of so many people so tend to remember the ones you talk to most and classify as friends even though we have never met.
It is annoying and sad though being "controlled" and not being abl;e to put in links.
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HI Matt
So does this mean that no one else can put in your link,
I have on several occations, along with a few others,
I have my own forum but have never put a link to it, or even mentioned it on this site. but on my own forum I have a link to this site, if this is the case were we can't put links to other sites I will take up the same policy on my own forum and delete the link to this forum, I stongly thought we were here to help others, Now with a link ban, you are going to have to make it clear to members what is banned and what isn't
whenever I have put a link on this board it has soley been for the benfit for others, is this forum becoming so rule bound we have already had threads locked because they mentioned bad point on suppliers.
I come to this forum every day but I also go to several other forums, and this is by far the best one, so you don't loose members on a Permanent basis just for a couple of hours is this a bad thing, if the sponsors of this site are so worried about loosing trade then I suggest they give us a there links and I can put them on at least three other forums free of charge, but I can tell them now they won't get anywere near the same traffic as they do here.
are we not allowed to put links to other suppliers as this may upset sponsers.
I for one think matt has a brilliant site, and its there to help the DIY minded wc, I personally will be takeing matts route when I go wfp, but I will still have to buy the parts from different suppliers, and all the advice I get for the best supplier will come from the guy's on this forum.
I could go on forever but I think I have said enough, but I do await an honest reply
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Hi Poleman
Thanks for the link, its one of the best sites I've ever seen ;D ;D
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Here's a missing link: T O S H ;D
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Until I have received clear instructions from the "Boss" regarding the posting of links to other forums etc... I have deleted any such postings.
I will try to find out where we all stand ASAP.
Trev
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Matt
Can you tell us why you were banned
Dave
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Matt
Can you tell us why you were banned
Dave
as i said in the firs post, because mike had asked me to stop posting links to DIY forum, and on the odd occasion i still did
this is the reason for the post, as i want to know if i can mention the DIY forum, ask people to e.mail me for it
the example in the first post of this is very apt, the solution to his problem is a by-pass vavle, i have a pic of it all set up, and he can then read about it on the DIY forum
this post wasnt meant to be a arguementative post, just a post to ask what he would prefere
i can understand links to rival lesser quality forums, afterall they live in the shadows of this place, but the DIY forums isnt meant to be like that, its just a small place for likeminded DIY users
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Thats a first! had a post deleted ;D better be a good boy, dont wont to get banned :-X
Andy
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OHHH PLEASE are all you moderators that naive that you think that we all go on one forum only. We all go on all the forums to see whats about. Yes some are more popular than others, but thats peoples preference, not the fact that we dont know they are there so please please letm people post links from other sites if its going to do someone a good turn and save then ten minutes typeing it all out again
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Thats a first! had a post deleted ;D better be a good boy, dont wont to get banned :-X
Andy
Hi Andy I would'nt have minded, but I followed the link you posted and it went nowere. ::) ::) should have deleted PJ's link as well
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I agree Jeff, I use to be a Mod on cleaning-pros and was never this bad, think there has only been 2 banned and one was vote rigging for a power pole :o
Andy
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Andy its a shame because its a bl**dy good forum and I can fully understand when you get other suppliers come on and try to sell there ware's, that mike gets upset, as he has to answer to his sponsers, but for links to a site that has no affect on the forum I just can't understand.
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I agree its a good forum...we should all go on strike in support of Matt ;D
Andy
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Matt,
I think your site is great too; it certainly helped me; not just with the kit, but with understanding the process. (I subsequently found Alex G, Gardiner Pole's site, which is also excellent).
I know it's not rocket science, but unless it's explained, like it is at your site, then it's difficult to make sense of using a WFP and all the paraphanalia in the beggining.
Remember, I did make a donation, which you spent on pizza. ;)
Anyway, I think you did go through a phase of heavily advertising your thread here, which pee'd Mike off a bit.
I reckon if you just suggested in posts, where appropriate that they could be better off with a self-build option, and to e-mail you for further details; that'd work.
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Matt,
I think your site is great too; it certainly helped me; not just with the kit, but with understanding the process. (I subsequently found Alex G, Gardiner Pole's site, which is also excellent).
I know it's not rocket science, but unless it's explained, like it is at your site, then it's difficult to make sense of using a WFP and all the paraphanalia in the beggining.
Remember, I did make a donation, which you spent on pizza. ;)
Anyway, I think you did go through a phase of heavily advertising your thread here, which pee'd Mike off a bit.
I reckon if you just suggested in posts, where appropriate that they could be better off with a self-build option, and to e-mail you for further details; that'd work.
thank you tosh
thats what i want to hear off Mike, as long as he says "you can tell them to e.mail you" then thats what i will do
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Matts site has played a big part in getting me into wfp and i personally think his link should be made available at all times , as i thought the idea of this forum is to help each other out.
Where do suppliers stand on this ? will they be able to mention their sites, as surely we all need help from various sources or is it one rule for one and one for another?
We are constantly being told not to work on ladders because they may be banned in the future so Matt help people afford to go wfp, everyone cannot spend thousands
This is just my opinion
thanks Matt
regards
Brett
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READ ALL ABOUT IT MATTS, BEEN BANNED ITS WRONG,
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Hey guys, why not let things rest.
Following last weeks problems this forum needs to settle and to adjust.
Comments were posted, preudices were aired ( unjustly in my opinion ) action has been taken and this site needs to back off and allow matters to settle.
Maybe a new direction is the future and the top management will make that decision but to keep banging on will not do the future of this forum any good at all.
This comment is posted in good faith in the hope this forum will regain the interest it had prior to recent problems. You only have to look how quiet it is now to gain an understanding of what is happening.
JohnL
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You only have to look how quiet it is now to gain an understanding of what is happening. johnL your right, it makes us all think twice what we say, also i am extremly angry at whats happened,and i am not alone, sorry folks its the way i feel,
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me to Jouk45
forums were originally made for free speech,this doen't seem to be the case here, this banning has upset a lot of members,most of the members know were Matt's site is but for the benefit of the newbie's are they just going to be guided to the manufacturers and sponsors site's??????
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Guys.
I can understand your sentiments regarding inormation being freely available. Especially to those who are new to window cleaning and in particular WFP's. I run a major window cleaning company myself but I well remember feeling like I was in a minefield a few years ago when I was researching the options available to me. There was far less info available at the time however it's now very different.
I have been doing a great deal of reading back-posts on this forum during the last week or so because I have a major decision to make and have found a lot of helpfull posts.
Bearing in mind the number of members of this forum it surely has to be the most used one here in the UK so I think that the site is doing a lot of things very well indeed. I found it on the net and am glad that I did. I therefore think that the site owners and moderators are doing us a great service probably at a considerable expense on terms of time freely given and of course the running costs.
I am absolutely sure that a ban is not made lightly and that there are very good reasons for it.
I think that this post and JohnL's are very apt.
Matt,
I think your site is great too; it certainly helped me; not just with the kit, but with understanding the process. (I subsequently found Alex G, Gardiner Pole's site, which is also excellent).
I know it's not rocket science, but unless it's explained, like it is at your site, then it's difficult to make sense of using a WFP and all the paraphanalia in the beggining.
Remember, I did make a donation, which you spent on pizza. ;)
Anyway, I think you did go through a phase of heavily advertising your thread here, which pee'd Mike off a bit.
I reckon if you just suggested in posts, where appropriate that they could be better off with a self-build option, and to e-mail you for further details; that'd work.
Context of content in any post is relevant. I have seen many instances of uninvited comments and pushing of the site in question.
Perhaps this is what has led to this situation.
Also why not just email the site owner or a moderator for clarification?
That is what I would have done. Bringing this subject into the public domain is inflamatory and were I Mike I would see it as such and take appropriate action.
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A belated welcome to the site Extremeclean. Hope to see you in the chat section in the future - you are most welcome. ;)
Just to put you guys in the picture. Mike is unavailable for a week and consequently there will be no replies for you on this topic until his return. I do not Moderate this section but am sure that Ian and Trevor will ask him your questions and clarify the situation regarding Matts site and HIS rules about business promotion on this site.
In the meantime, please continue giving your invaluale advise to those who ask. IMO this is the best forum avaialble and made so only by you guys and your shared knowledge.
It would be sad if this forum followed the tone of others I have viewed as like many the willingness to share without malace ,bragging or arguing was what drew me in , and keeps me coming back.
If you need a bit of a pick me up - come visit us loonies in the chat section. Only come if you are armed with jokes,a good sense of humour and enjoy a bit of banter - you have been warned. ;)
Have a relaxing Sunday all,
Sarah
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Also why not just email the site owner or a moderator for clarification?
That is what I would have done. Bringing this subject into the public domain is inflamatory and were I Mike I would see it as such and take appropriate action.
i thought on this, i brought it out in the open, as i have nothing to hide and neither has Mike, AND also so EVERY1 knows the rules, we have a few who direct people to the DIY site, if we have rules (i.e, e.mail me for a link) then we all know the score
In the past, things have been done by e.mails etc etc, i often e.mail Mike (well a few times, when i feel things that have been brought to my attention would benefit him) and Mike will confirm this
just wanted every1 to know the rules
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It would be sad if this forum followed the tone of others I have viewed as like many the willingness to share without malace ,bragging or arguing was what drew me in , and keeps me coming back.
I strongly disagree with this. I go on 4 other forums and this site is the worst for malace, bragging and arguing. Cleaners also attack others about the smallest of issues, then when they can't fight their corner any longer they resort to attacking the posters spelling (or lack of it). Very childish behaviour.
I personally look in here because there are experienced mature cleaners who give excellent advice of which I am truly grateful for.
I feel that compared to other sites the Moderators in here are overreactive and unbalanced when dealing with issues.
Just my thoughts (I'll probably be banned now myself)