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Title: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on November 21, 2024, 08:54:15 am
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Bungle on November 21, 2024, 08:56:36 am
First job and it froze on the glass  :o it wasn't like this years ago I'm sure.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: alank on November 21, 2024, 11:37:07 am
As i use DI only i just dump some water out of the tank and fill up with hot to keep everything frost free overnight.
I dont work when it is sub zero, if the water is freezing on the glass and on the floor i sack it off .
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: dazmond on November 21, 2024, 07:24:33 pm
First job and it froze on the glass  :o it wasn't like this years ago I'm sure.

Of course it was! I remember when I was a cold water cleaner back in 2010 and the same thing happened to me on very cold days.

No problems with hot water. In fact I've been defrosting skylights and window sills all day!😄

I arrived at my first job to find one of my customers frantically trying to scrape the ice off her car so I defrosted the whole car within a minute! She was so happy and grateful!👍
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: dazmond on November 21, 2024, 07:27:14 pm
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: NBwcs on November 21, 2024, 08:04:48 pm
First job and it froze on the glass  :o it wasn't like this years ago I'm sure.

Of course it was! I remember when I was a cold water cleaner back in 2010 and the same thing happened to me on very cold days.

No problems with hot water. In fact I've been defrosting skylights and window sills all day!😄

I arrived at my first job to find one of my customers frantically trying to scrape the ice off her car so I defrosted the whole car within a minute! She was so happy and grateful!👍

I wouldn't dare put my brush on a custys car, i cleaned my lads car and found scratch marks on the roof. Dont care about my own vehicles but plenty of people are very precious about theirs.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on November 21, 2024, 08:17:40 pm
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: simon w on November 21, 2024, 08:23:21 pm
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

Frost protection on PF heater only protects heater, not the rest of your kit in van.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on November 21, 2024, 08:26:29 pm
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

Frost protection on PF heater only protects heater, not the rest of your kit in van.

Not on the Grippatank hot water setup.  It works a treat for me.  It circulates hot water through the hoses and back to the tank.   When water temp drops to 2 degrees it kicks in for 5 mins. 

Keeps everything fully defrosted.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: AuRavelling79 on November 21, 2024, 08:45:09 pm
My immersion heater keeps everything supple and ice free.

Open the back doors of the van first thing and I feel like warmth from 400 plus litres of water.

Lovely.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: dazmond on November 21, 2024, 09:17:27 pm
First job and it froze on the glass  :o it wasn't like this years ago I'm sure.

Of course it was! I remember when I was a cold water cleaner back in 2010 and the same thing happened to me on very cold days.

No problems with hot water. In fact I've been defrosting skylights and window sills all day!😄

I arrived at my first job to find one of my customers frantically trying to scrape the ice off her car so I defrosted the whole car within a minute! She was so happy and grateful!👍

I wouldn't dare put my brush on a custys car, i cleaned my lads car and found scratch marks on the roof. Dont care about my own vehicles but plenty of people are very precious about theirs.

I only defrosted the windscreen and side and back windows mate!
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: dazmond on November 21, 2024, 09:20:59 pm
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

No I don't use it because I don't like disturbing neighbours with it as it will fire up  3 or 4 times on a cold night. It's loud in the middle of the night...

I've had neighbours knocking on my door at 3am before now thinking there was something wrong with my van!🤣🤣
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on November 21, 2024, 09:28:31 pm
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

No I don't use it because I don't like disturbing neighbours with it as it will fire up  3 or 4 times on a cold night. It's loud in the middle of the night...

I've had neighbours knocking on my door at 3am before now thinking there was something wrong with my van!🤣🤣

Oooh interesting.  I know what you mean.   
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Billy clarke on November 22, 2024, 05:29:38 am
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Soupy on November 22, 2024, 05:56:29 am
Fun times.

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1732254986_Screenshot_2024-11-22-05-55-53-06_7322ebb9d4b93742a0b847a54dc9157a.jpg)
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: colin bird on November 22, 2024, 06:42:45 am
I have a pure freedom ro van mounted system,I made a box to push on front of system,put a duvet Ofer system and box and then put a 500w oil filled rad in box on a low setting,hose reel goes in garage,pole goes in cab so can warm up on way to first job,that’s worked for me for 16 winters,when it’s really cold I have to use a hair dryer on external pump port to make sure I’ve got flowing water when I leave for first job
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: AuRavelling79 on November 22, 2024, 06:54:09 am
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: SB Cleaning on November 22, 2024, 06:57:44 am


I defrosted the whole car within a minute!
I think that's a slight exaggeration!
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: simon w on November 22, 2024, 08:24:18 am
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

Frost protection on PF heater only protects heater, not the rest of your kit in van.

Not on the Grippatank hot water setup.  It works a treat for me.  It circulates hot water through the hoses and back to the tank.   When water temp drops to 2 degrees it kicks in for 5 mins. 

Keeps everything fully defrosted.

What even all your water fed poles, brushes and pole hose? greenhouse heater on the right setting keeps EVERYTHING in the back of the van from freezing
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Bungle on November 22, 2024, 09:39:06 am
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

Frost protection on PF heater only protects heater, not the rest of your kit in van.

Not on the Grippatank hot water setup.  It works a treat for me.  It circulates hot water through the hoses and back to the tank.   When water temp drops to 2 degrees it kicks in for 5 mins. 

Keeps everything fully defrosted.

What even all your water fed poles, brushes and pole hose? greenhouse heater on the right setting keeps EVERYTHING in the back of the van from freezing

I tried a greenhouse heater the other night. My gear was frost free but the roof of the van was frozen. I don't think it's as good as an oil filled radiator.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: simon w on November 22, 2024, 09:43:14 am
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

Frost protection on PF heater only protects heater, not the rest of your kit in van.

Not on the Grippatank hot water setup.  It works a treat for me.  It circulates hot water through the hoses and back to the tank.   When water temp drops to 2 degrees it kicks in for 5 mins. 

Keeps everything fully defrosted.

What even all your water fed poles, brushes and pole hose? greenhouse heater on the right setting keeps EVERYTHING in the back of the van from freezing

I tried a greenhouse heater the other night. My gear was frost free but the roof of the van was frozen. I don't think it's as good as an oil filled radiator.

Inside of the roof or outside? Inside of my van roof has never been wet, plumbing in my van is very good, no leaks, rarely any leaks/water in my van.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on November 22, 2024, 10:01:41 am
I can't believe no ones mentioned it yet? 😂😂

Front protection system ot heaters in the van?   Or do you just put a box set on and think sod this.  😂

Oil filled radiator in van next to my hose reel overnight

Broom and ice melt grit for customers that want me to grit their driveway/path.

That's it. Business as usual.

Are you not using the frost protection system on your hot water system?

Frost protection on PF heater only protects heater, not the rest of your kit in van.

Not on the Grippatank hot water setup.  It works a treat for me.  It circulates hot water through the hoses and back to the tank.   When water temp drops to 2 degrees it kicks in for 5 mins. 

Keeps everything fully defrosted.

What even all your water fed poles, brushes and pole hose? greenhouse heater on the right setting keeps EVERYTHING in the back of the van from freezing

The hose real acts as a radiator for ages after a circulation.  It was designed for that reason.

After 8 years of using this method I can confirm it works well.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Scottish Cleaning Service on November 22, 2024, 01:07:16 pm
Last year I bought a cheap kingsize 16.5 Tog duvet for £20 or less. I have it over my tank and hose reels and the small oil filled rad between the reels and RO. Seems to work and even keeps the warm tank still warm the next morning. Everybody who looks in the side door ask if I have a bed in the back of my van. When I reply no they come back with why do you have a duvet in the van so I have now jumped to the chase and rely the quilt is to keep my water tank warm.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Billy clarke on November 22, 2024, 03:13:38 pm
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
cheers old timer . Thing is , I have 2 small fan heaters . But I am paranoid about leaving them all night . Woukdnt be able to sleep . I cover the pump and reel with a sleeping bag . Works most of the time . Then in the morning put the fan Heaters in the back pointing at the pump . Usually everything is fine . The wife says im definitely not leaving any kind of Heater on all night in the back of the van . She’s scared it will set on fire . So that’s that . I’ve managed all week . The 2 nano trolleys have earned there money this week . Like she says it’s usually only a couple of weeks a year we get this crap .
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Billy clarke on November 22, 2024, 03:23:26 pm
Fun times.

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1732254986_Screenshot_2024-11-22-05-55-53-06_7322ebb9d4b93742a0b847a54dc9157a.jpg)
. My son and his bird have rented a wooden lodge at loch Tay for the week 🤣🤣🤣. Went up today with there 2 killer border terriers . Any idea if you can rent pedalos on the loch . 😂😂what a couple of muppets . Hopefully they will be frozen solid by Monday and on there way home . Give him a right bollocking for booking a week off 4 weeks before Christmas.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: dazmond on November 22, 2024, 06:28:11 pm
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
cheers old timer . Thing is , I have 2 small fan heaters . But I am paranoid about leaving them all night . Woukdnt be able to sleep . I cover the pump and reel with a sleeping bag . Works most of the time . Then in the morning put the fan Heaters in the back pointing at the pump . Usually everything is fine . The wife says im definitely not leaving any kind of Heater on all night in the back of the van . She’s scared it will set on fire . So that’s that . I’ve managed all week . The 2 nano trolleys have earned there money this week . Like she says it’s usually only a couple of weeks a year we get this crap .

Oil filled radiator in the back overnight is your best bet (its safer)....who's the boss?you or the missus?🤣👍
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on November 22, 2024, 07:15:58 pm
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
cheers old timer . Thing is , I have 2 small fan heaters . But I am paranoid about leaving them all night . Woukdnt be able to sleep . I cover the pump and reel with a sleeping bag . Works most of the time . Then in the morning put the fan Heaters in the back pointing at the pump . Usually everything is fine . The wife says im definitely not leaving any kind of Heater on all night in the back of the van . She’s scared it will set on fire . So that’s that . I’ve managed all week . The 2 nano trolleys have earned there money this week . Like she says it’s usually only a couple of weeks a year we get this crap .

Also just invest in an RCD safety extension lead and plug for the heater.  So there is nothing to worry about if something goes wrong with the heater.   We are in a world with outdoor sockets and charging stations these days which cope with all weather conditions.
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Bungle on November 22, 2024, 07:53:50 pm
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
cheers old timer . Thing is , I have 2 small fan heaters . But I am paranoid about leaving them all night . Woukdnt be able to sleep . I cover the pump and reel with a sleeping bag . Works most of the time . Then in the morning put the fan Heaters in the back pointing at the pump . Usually everything is fine . The wife says im definitely not leaving any kind of Heater on all night in the back of the van . She’s scared it will set on fire . So that’s that . I’ve managed all week . The 2 nano trolleys have earned there money this week . Like she says it’s usually only a couple of weeks a year we get this crap .

I'd be paranoid about having fan heaters in the back of my van. I usually use an oil filled radiator (tried greenhouse heater this week). Moisture dripping off the roof of my van onto the electric parts are my worst fear. I never sleep well when I've got a heater on in the back. The crap weather has come a bit early this year though. Poles come inside or stay in the cab and thaw on the way to work.

Thank Fook it's the weekend 💪
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Ched on November 22, 2024, 09:52:04 pm
Also just invest in an RCD safety extension lead and plug for the heater.  So there is nothing to worry about if something goes wrong with the heater.   

Just so you are aware, a RCD won't protect a fan heater from catching fire. Fan heaters are dangerous because the suck in air and can collect dust and particles on the element that can catch fire.  An RCD will protect from electricity leaking to earth via faulty cables or devices but it's not a protect a device from anything!
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Billy clarke on November 23, 2024, 02:40:33 am
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
cheers old timer . Thing is , I have 2 small fan heaters . But I am paranoid about leaving them all night . Woukdnt be able to sleep . I cover the pump and reel with a sleeping bag . Works most of the time . Then in the morning put the fan Heaters in the back pointing at the pump . Usually everything is fine . The wife says im definitely not leaving any kind of Heater on all night in the back of the van . She’s scared it will set on fire . So that’s that . I’ve managed all week . The 2 nano trolleys have earned there money this week . Like she says it’s usually only a couple of weeks a year we get this crap .

Oil filled radiator in the back overnight is your best bet (its safer)....who's the boss?you or the missus?🤣👍
. Have a guess 😁. Anyway looks like it’s back to wind and rain now .
Title: Re: Ice and Minus Temperatures
Post by: Billy clarke on November 23, 2024, 02:58:29 am
Which oil filled radiator is suitable . 500 watt , 1500 or 2000. Never used one before . So no idea . I presume you just leave it on a low setting all night ?

I would go for a mid range one with a sensitive thermostat on it .

Or a fan heater.

The sensitive thermostat is the important thing.

Also a timer.
cheers old timer . Thing is , I have 2 small fan heaters . But I am paranoid about leaving them all night . Woukdnt be able to sleep . I cover the pump and reel with a sleeping bag . Works most of the time . Then in the morning put the fan Heaters in the back pointing at the pump . Usually everything is fine . The wife says im definitely not leaving any kind of Heater on all night in the back of the van . She’s scared it will set on fire . So that’s that . I’ve managed all week . The 2 nano trolleys have earned there money this week . Like she says it’s usually only a couple of weeks a year we get this crap .

Also just invest in an RCD safety extension lead and plug for the heater.  So there is nothing to worry about if something goes wrong with the heater.   We are in a world with outdoor sockets and charging stations these days which cope with all weather conditions.
. I have a RCD extension lead . Always use it . Thing is just moved house , first time ive ever had a garage . But it’s full with boxes , cases and bags . It’s gunna be 12 months before that lots cleared . Might be able to fit the van in then .