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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jonboywalton75 on August 11, 2024, 01:53:58 pm
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Driving yesterday and heard a popping sound, engine management light came straight on, called the aa, camshaft position error came up.
Aa man reckons my belt/chain hasn't snapped but cogs seem to still be turning, something relatively serious has happened I'm thinking.
Anyone had camshaft issues with Connect?
Looks like a rebuild I'm thinking!!!
100, 000 miles on the clock, regularly serviced.
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When is the belt due to be changed?
On my old dispatch it is every 100k or 10 years, I have it done a year early so it has been changed twice now.
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How many vans do you run? if only the one, then loss of earnings is your biggest first hurdle, sort yourself out with a replacement vehicle so you can get back to work immediately, then just let a garage do what they are being paid for and get your van back on the road asap. Are you with Alexander Swan? if so some of their policies have a replacement truckmount, I took them up on this some years back when a delivery driver scratched my van, replacement was delivered on a Sunday, I didn't even lose one days work.
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When is the belt due to be changed?
On my old dispatch it is every 100k or 10 years, I have it done a year early so it has been changed twice now.
It's never been changed, I was informed at about 85,000 miles That mine didn't need changing when I had it serviced as it was a chain not a belt
Sounds like I was misinformed eh!!!
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How many vans do you run? if only the one, then loss of earnings is your biggest first hurdle, sort yourself out with a replacement vehicle so you can get back to work immediately, then just let a garage do what they are being paid for and get your van back on the road asap. Are you with Alexander Swan? if so some of their policies have a replacement truckmount, I took them up on this some years back when a delivery driver scratched my van, replacement was delivered on a Sunday, I didn't even lose one days work.
1 van
I'm with autonet, not sure what cover is available with them, I'll check tommorow
I'm semi retired and my son has a 2 man van system so I'm not desperate to work loads, so I'll be fine in that sense
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I get my timing belt, accessories and water pump done every 40k or 6 years. I'm on my third one now but my mate is a mechanic. Van has just done 100k and it has new battery, power steering pump and alternator. The moment you get a van you need to read the manual to know what their recommendations are. Sounds like you might be better with a new van because the cost could be frightening. Keep us up to date on how you are getting on with it.
The belt doesn't usually snap because the pulleys usually malfunction first. So never just change the belt, do the whole thing.
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Hope it's not scrap, I paid £10.000 for it 3 years ago 😱
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Other than brand new - I always get the cam belt changed straight after purchase not worth the risk
Hopefully as a chain it’s only slipped one cog and not done the valves or cam
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Other than brand new - I always get the cam belt changed straight after purchase not worth the risk
Hopefully as a chain it’s only slipped one cog and not done the valves or cam
I can only hope eh!!! 🙄
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How many vans do you run? if only the one, then loss of earnings is your biggest first hurdle, sort yourself out with a replacement vehicle so you can get back to work immediately, then just let a garage do what they are being paid for and get your van back on the road asap. Are you with Alexander Swan? if so some of their policies have a replacement truckmount, I took them up on this some years back when a delivery driver scratched my van, replacement was delivered on a Sunday, I didn't even lose one days work.
There policy is for non fault accident damage not mechanical breakdowns , but if they have a spare van they will hire it to you but you would have to pay for it .
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Some folk are saying they can have a wet belt on earlier ones. Those wet belt engines have a big problem on the belt rubber. Ford have admitted it but don't want to do a recall in Uk. Put your reg in Euro parts website and they should tell you if its a belt or chain. 😉
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Some folk are saying they can have a wet belt on earlier ones. Those wet belt engines have a big problem on the belt rubber. Ford have admitted it but don't want to do a recall in Uk. Put your reg in Euro parts website and they should tell you if its a belt or chain. 😉
Cheers Michael
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Some folk are saying they can have a wet belt on earlier ones. Those wet belt engines have a big problem on the belt rubber. Ford have admitted it but don't want to do a recall in Uk. Put your reg in Euro parts website and they should tell you if its a belt or chain. 😉
Wet belts are on the Ford eco-tec engines (petrol).
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On the 2.0l diesels too innit?
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Yes thats right re the 2.0l diesels. There is a recall but they are not shouting about it. Surprise surprise.
It was only when my garage contacted Ford , after my wet belt issue, that they instigated a recall on it.!
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I think it's only the adblue diesels..
No wet belt on my 1.5 euro 6(120hp).no adblue either....
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The life span of the cam belt drops quite a bit if it's only doing short journeys.
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The life span of the cam belt drops quite a bit if it's only doing short journeys.
That's the reason I don't understand stop and start technology. Takes a lot of power to get the engine started in the first place so we will see, starter motors, batteries, and all the rest breaking prematurely but its all good for the parts department.
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The life span of the cam belt drops quite a bit if it's only doing short journeys.
That's the reason I don't understand stop and start technology. Takes a lot of power to get the engine started in the first place so we will see, starter motors, batteries, and all the rest breaking prematurely but its all good for the parts department.
That's of little concern to the manufacturers. Their hands are tied trying to find ways to meet emission standards.
Personally, I agree with you regarding stop start technology.
On some vehicles you have to switch it off every time you start the vehicle. I'm sure there will be some clever electronic's engineer who will devise an auto switch off device, but it would be illegal to sell it and use it as it would be seen as cheating the emission standards.
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Update
Garage has started examining the engine.
Report last night from them Said that it's a timing issue that is causing compression problems
With my limited mechanical knowledge I don't know whether that's a positive prognosis so far or not 🤔
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Update
Garage has started examining the engine.
Report last night from them Said that it's a timing issue that is causing compression problems
With my limited mechanical knowledge I don't know whether that's a positive prognosis so far or not 🤔
I would guess the timing belt has slipped a notch or 2 so the valve timing is out. Hopefully it's not damaged the valves or rotated a cam lobe.
Fingers crossed they can put a new timing belt & maybe water pump on and time it correctly and you could be OK.
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You've made me hopeful
I was thinking a couple of grand at least, let's Hope they don't find too much damage
Cheers for the reply Ched
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Is it a belt or chain?
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As far as I'm aware my 17 reg transit connect is a wet belt, whatever that means
I have next to zero knowledge of engines as you may have well
guessed
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Wet belt or chain, as I say I'm thick as far as mechanics go
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Sounds like its a wet belt and its deteriorated. Common fault.
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Sounds like its a wet belt and its deteriorated. Common fault.
Is it expensive to fix that's the ,$164,000 question?
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Sounds like its a wet belt and its deteriorated. Common fault.
Is it expensive to fix that's the ,$164,000 question?
Need to be stripped down to see what needs replaced. By the sound of it could be less than a grand but I will ask my mate who knows all about connects as he has fixed plenty of them.
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When is the belt due to be changed?
On my old dispatch it is every 100k or 10 years, I have it done a year early so it has been changed twice now.
It's never been changed, I was informed at about 85,000 miles That mine didn't need changing when I had it serviced as it was a chain not a belt
Sounds like I was misinformed eh!!!
If a vans used for short journeys most of the time the interval change time is halved.
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Sounds like its a wet belt and its deteriorated. Common fault.
Is it expensive to fix that's the ,$164,000 question?
Need to be stripped down to see what needs replaced. By the sound of it could be less than a grand but I will ask my mate who knows all about connects as he has fixed plenty of them.
I should know the £££££ damage any day now
Apparently the garage who is doing the work are well thought of by many locals, so hopefully they are not going to try rip me off.
These replies have helped, as has many bits of advice I've received from this forum since I joined
Cheers folks
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Update
Camshaft is shot
So looks like timing belt kit needed (incl water pump )
So £1800 including labour
If valves are bent it's gonna be £2500
Van is worth £6000 ish, that's running properly, so l need to get it sorted.
Ah well, I've learnt something anyway.
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Update
Camshaft is shot
So looks like timing belt kit needed (incl water pump )
So £1800 including labour
If valves are bent it's gonna be £2500
Van is worth £6000 ish, that's running properly, so l need to get it sorted.
Ah well, I've learnt something anyway.
Did this happen because you didn't change the cambelt(or camchain) at the recommended interval?
My missus connect has done over 80k...I think she needs to get it done
Mines the same age but has only done 25k
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Do you know how much it cost just for a camchain change?
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The manufacturers instructions are only for guidance and not wrote in stone. I get my belt, ancillaries and water pump done every 6 years no matter how many miles I have done. If I have done over 40k miles then I will get it done sooner. I am beginning to do most of the stuff myself because my mate is so busy and I can do it at his garage with his ramps. Did 4 ball joints in 2 days at my garage and a garage would have charged a grand plus parts so it makes sense taking 2 days off.
It would be worth it for us to think about going on a online mechanic course to find out the basics. I can service my van for £100 and it only takes 2hrs and that's including a litre of Catclean and going for a 30min drive down the motorway. It is only thinners and cleans the fuel and exhaust system and makes your engine run better and last longer. My mate then takes it for an MOT and it always passes the emission test.
Only thing now is the amount of tools I have, I could run my own garage the amount I have added to my collection. I see tools as assets and always try and buy the best so they will last.
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Do you know how much it cost just for a camchain change?
I first just got the belt changed to save money till my mate the mechanic told me the belt doesn't break. He said what happens is the accessories break and that throws the belt out. That's the reason you need to buy the kit and change the lot. A bit like when we used to just change the clutch plate and then sell the car. If a mechanic is taking the time to change the clutch then he needs to remove propshaft, Bell housing and other stuff then you would change the Flywheel, clutch plate and pressure plate because you are in there anyway. My new flywheel and clutch set cost me £750 but it will last now until the van gets scrapped.
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The manufacturers instructions are only for guidance and not wrote in stone. I get my belt, ancillaries and water pump done every 6 years no matter how many miles I have done. If I have done over 40k miles then I will get it done sooner. I am beginning to do most of the stuff myself because my mate is so busy and I can do it at his garage with his ramps. Did 4 ball joints in 2 days at my garage and a garage would have charged a grand plus parts so it makes sense taking 2 days off.
It would be worth it for us to think about going on a online mechanic course to find out the basics. I can service my van for £100 and it only takes 2hrs and that's including a litre of Catclean and going for a 30min drive down the motorway. It is only thinners and cleans the fuel and exhaust system and makes your engine run better and last longer. My mate then takes it for an MOT and it always passes the emission test.
Only thing now is the amount of tools I have, I could run my own garage the amount I have added to my collection. I see tools as assets and always try and buy the best so they will last.
I would absolutely not go on any mechanic course or do anything to a vehicle apart from the obvious(check oil,water,top up washer fluid).I would change a tyre but most cars don't have a spare anymore!😂
I wouldn't even change engine oil as it's a horrible,dirty job
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I wouldn't even change engine oil as it's a horrible,dirty job
Your right, must be the dirtiest job out there bar a coal miner. I did some work on my van on Friday and I manage to get dirt on my hair. That's another reason they get paid well.
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Update
Camshaft is shot
So looks like timing belt kit needed (incl water pump )
So £1800 including labour
If valves are bent it's gonna be £2500
Van is worth £6000 ish, that's running properly, so l need to get it sorted.
Ah well, I've learnt something anyway.
Did this happen because you didn't change the cambelt(or camchain) at the recommended interval?
My missus connect has done over 80k...I think she needs to get it done
Mines the same age but has only done 25k
Take no notice of recommendations.
Change water pump, timing belt etc on a ford connect like mine every 40,000 miles
That's what my mechanic said.
I'm clueless, so I take advice
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Do you know how much it cost just for a camchain change?
I believe an official kit from ford's is £280
Plus Labour at garage of your choice
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Do you know how much it cost just for a camchain change?
I believe an official kit from ford's is £280
Plus Labour at garage of your choice
That's a timing belt, not chain
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Update
Camshaft is shot
So looks like timing belt kit needed (incl water pump )
So £1800 including labour
If valves are bent it's gonna be £2500
Van is worth £6000 ish, that's running properly, so l need to get it sorted.
Ah well, I've learnt something anyway.
Did this happen because you didn't change the cambelt(or camchain) at the recommended interval?
My missus connect has done over 80k...I think she needs to get it done
Mines the same age but has only done 25k
Take no notice of recommendations.
Change water pump, timing belt etc on a ford connect like mine every 40,000 miles
That's what my mechanic said.
I'm clueless, so I take advice
I phoned my local garage yesterday. He said no need to change the cam chain at all on our connects(me and the missus have the same 1.5 euro 6 engine). No wet belt. He said they will last the lifespan of the vehicle.
Only time he said it needs changing is if there's warning signs(rough idle and slightly misfiring engine)🙂👍
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That's what I was told every time I had it serviced which was once a year every 8,000 miles
Until the timing belt slipped and caused all the damage I have now
Your choice Daz, but I know what I'm doing every 40.000 miles if I have a connect again
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Mine is a Connect 200 2017
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That's what I was told every time I had it serviced which was once a year every 8,000 miles
Until the timing belt slipped and caused all the damage I have now
Your choice Daz, but I know what I'm doing every 40.000 miles if I have a connect again
But is it a belt or chain?
My transit custom is on the same chain at 130,000 miles and still no signs of issues. I will be replacing it soon though, even though it’s not actually necessary.
Belts are different, they NEED changing.
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A belt
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On an earlier post it was mentioned about the rubber wearing on the chain I believe
Goodness knows though I ain't no mechanic
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Mine and my missus engines have a chain not belt...👍🙂
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Mine and my missus engines have a chain not belt...👍🙂
That's good then👍
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I was told it's not the belt of chain that goes, its the idlers and pulleys. On the small Citroen/Peugeot vans that taxi drivers use were going all the time and it was a chain. There was a problem with them and it cost the manufacturer a fortune fixing them under warranty. In the end, we are better looking after our vans because its our livelihood.
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I was told it's not the belt of chain that goes, its the idlers and pulleys. On the small Citroen/Peugeot vans that taxi drivers use were going all the time and it was a chain. There was a problem with them and it cost the manufacturer a fortune fixing them under warranty. In the end, we are better looking after our vans because its our livelihood.
That’s French engines for you.
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If it’s chain i would be changing it before 100k miles just for peace of mind sprockets can chip teeth and wear I personally wouldn’t take any advice from ford main dealer
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Lets think about the cam belt of chain in a logical way. Its like the heart in our body and creates the motion so its getting hammered all the time the engine is on. Folk get pretty upset when it breaks because it costs a fair bit of money. That's the reason we have got to take care of the timing system and spend money renewing it. That's the way I see it but you can be lucky and it doesn't malfunction. fwiw
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Update
Getting van tommorow
New cam and timing kit (water pump etc) plus labour
Total £1730.00🙄
Ah well I'm back on the road
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If it’s chain i would be changing it before 100k miles just for peace of mind sprockets can chip teeth and wear I personally wouldn’t take any advice from ford main dealer
I agree, Ford main dealers are the last people I'd trust
I got ripped off by my local dealer for £90 ish once
Got it back when I cleaned their windows and cladding and charged em £750.00
Karma 🤣🤣🤣
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;D ;D
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Vauxhall missed solid me a full service when it was due interim even after I questioned it saying it was full serviced last time someone I no had a Peugeot and they said it needed new brake pads and discs he questioned it saying hardly drove the car took it to a independent garage and they checked it saying there absolutely fine ::)roll
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Vauxhall missed solid me a full service when it was due interim even after I questioned it saying it was full serviced last time someone I no had a Peugeot and they said it needed new brake pads and discs he questioned it saying hardly drove the car took it to a independent garage and they checked it saying there absolutely fine ::)roll
That's typical isn't it🙄
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Vauxhall missed solid me a full service when it was due interim even after I questioned it saying it was full serviced last time someone I no had a Peugeot and they said it needed new brake pads and discs he questioned it saying hardly drove the car took it to a independent garage and they checked it saying there absolutely fine ::)roll
Same happened to me with kwik fit.
These dealers are dodgier than us shiners🤣🤣🤣
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Update
Getting van tommorow
New cam and timing kit (water pump etc) plus labour
Total £1730.00🙄
Ah well I'm back on the road
That sounds a bit steep! I was quoted £650 for new cambelt and water pump including labour
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Got to feel sorry for the chap on here who drives a Porsche.
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Update
Getting van tommorow
New cam and timing kit (water pump etc) plus labour
Total £1730.00🙄
Ah well I'm back on the road
That sounds a bit steep! I was quoted £650 for new cambelt and water pump including labour
That's a rip off Daz, my garage will do that for £450.00
I needed a new camshaft for starters.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1726755120_20240919_144654.jpg)
For anyone who's interested
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I bet that's the most you ve ever spent on vehicle repairs
At least your back on the road. It could have been so much worse.👍(eg new engine)
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I bet that's the most you ve ever spent on vehicle repairs
At least your back on the road. It could have been so much worse.👍(eg new engine)
Yeah glad to be up and running.
I wondered whether I might need a reconditioned engine, which I wouldn't have fancied, Van only worth 6 or 7 grand with system installed.
I'll have to get onto my son who has a similar engine in his Partner, make sure he's up to speed 🙄
Ah well it's tax deductable 😁
I've increased some prices on my rounds to compensate, some needed raising anyway
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It would be good to work out the cost of our van each week? Must be somewhere between £300 to £500 when all the costs are added. Don't think we realise that £200 a day is surviving mode.
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It would be good to work out the cost of our van each week? Must be somewhere between £300 to £500 when all the costs are added. Don't think we realise that £200 a day is surviving mode.
Mines around £80 a week over 52 weeks.Perfectly affordable.This includes everything...lease,tax,insurance,diesel and maintenance,etc
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It would be good to work out the cost of our van each week? Must be somewhere between £300 to £500 when all the costs are added. Don't think we realise that £200 a day is surviving mode.
Mines around £80 a week over 52 weeks.Perfectly affordable.This includes everything...lease,tax,insurance,diesel and maintenance,etc
Just to lease the Crafter I want its £630 a month but it means I can do allsorts of jobs. This morning I'm screeding a flat roof then tomorrow I will felt it. Its only a lockup but there's good money in it. Another customer wants me to replace the pvc around his windows so will try one window first to see how it goes and if he is happy with it. That's the thing about this job, customers always needing small jobs done and come to me first. If I can't do it then I can advise them.
One customer was told to remove a cupboard they had paid for to be made when the upstairs extension was done. They asked me to remove it because building control told them to. I told them no need to because it has not shortened the "means of escape" size from the original which they passed. They informed building control and they agreed with me and saved my customer £600. In life we should always get a second opinion on anything. One very happy customer who has now got me her sister as a customer. More you give out the more that comes back, I have found out.
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It would be good to work out the cost of our van each week? Must be somewhere between £300 to £500 when all the costs are added. Don't think we realise that £200 a day is surviving mode.
Mines around £80 a week over 52 weeks.Perfectly affordable.This includes everything...lease,tax,insurance,diesel and maintenance,etc
Just to lease the Crafter I want its £630 a month but it means I can do allsorts of jobs. This morning I'm screeding a flat roof then tomorrow I will felt it. Its only a lockup but there's good money in it. Another customer wants me to replace the pvc around his windows so will try one window first to see how it goes and if he is happy with it. That's the thing about this job, customers always needing small jobs done and come to me first. If I can't do it then I can advise them.
One customer was told to remove a cupboard they had paid for to be made when the upstairs extension was done. They asked me to remove it because building control told them to. I told them no need to because it has not shortened the "means of escape" size from the original which they passed. They informed building control and they agreed with me and saved my customer £600. In life we should always get a second opinion on anything. One very happy customer who has now got me her sister as a customer. More you give out the more that comes back, I have found out.
£630 a month seems like a lot of money to lease a van. That's not even including RFL,insurance,diesel and servicing costs!
Personally I would want to be turning over at least 8k a month(which is double
my current earnings) before I'd even consider leasing a van that large....
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Remember when leasing a van you pay VAT on the road fund licence every year too.
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It would be good to work out the cost of our van each week? Must be somewhere between £300 to £500 when all the costs are added. Don't think we realise that £200 a day is surviving mode.
Mines around £80 a week over 52 weeks.Perfectly affordable.This includes everything...lease,tax,insurance,diesel and maintenance,etc
£80 per week that’s very cheap we put around £65 per week just in diesel costs per van per week
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Im averaging £55/£60 pw in fuel that’s running heater as well
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It would be good to work out the cost of our van each week? Must be somewhere between £300 to £500 when all the costs are added. Don't think we realise that £200 a day is surviving mode.
Mines around £80 a week over 52 weeks.Perfectly affordable.This includes everything...lease,tax,insurance,diesel and maintenance,etc
£80 per week that’s very cheap we put around £65 per week just in diesel costs per van per week
£30 per week in diesel and that's running the diesel heater too!👍
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Its all swings and roundabouts. A small van is great if just cleaning windows and maybe a roof rack for a ladder. Today I was spraying a large community hall roof with hypo and clearing out their gutters. After that I sprayed the top of windows, pvc doors and the underside of gutters. Finished off with the wfp to clean everything I had sprayed. The big van is perfect for this type of work and great for advertising. In the end its the function of the business one is running.
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In the end it’s down to turnover and living within your means. No point in spouting figures for a brand new big van if you can’t afford it.
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Its all swings and roundabouts. A small van is great if just cleaning windows and maybe a roof rack for a ladder. Today I was spraying a large community hall roof with hypo and clearing out their gutters. After that I sprayed the top of windows, pvc doors and the underside of gutters. Finished off with the wfp to clean everything I had sprayed. The big van is perfect for this type of work and great for advertising. In the end its the function of the business one is running.
I'd want to be turning over at least 80k a year before I'd even think of getting a large new van like a crafter
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Its all swings and roundabouts. A small van is great if just cleaning windows and maybe a roof rack for a ladder. Today I was spraying a large community hall roof with hypo and clearing out their gutters. After that I sprayed the top of windows, pvc doors and the underside of gutters. Finished off with the wfp to clean everything I had sprayed. The big van is perfect for this type of work and great for advertising. In the end its the function of the business one is running.
I'd want to be turning over at least 80k a year before I'd even think of getting a large new van like a crafter
I'm not far away from that figure now. In the last 6 years I have bought most of everything I need to do what I do. No advertising now and consistent work each month with the windows to clean. In 18 months the mortgage is finished and that's the time I will go for the new van. As someone said my van is nearly new with all the new parts that's on it. They call me a Utube mechanic now. Just need a bigger lockup to store my stuff. 😂
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Bigger lock up for somewhere to store your annoying massive head!
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With your skills Michael. I'm surprised your window cleaning at all. You could make more money concentrating on other work 👍
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With your skills Michael. I'm surprised your window cleaning at all. You could make more money concentrating on other work 👍
Variety is the spice of life. Windows brings in consistent money and gets me small jobs. I have to help my mate with an extension for 3 to 5 days. I can clean windows aswell as helping him. The only other job like this is a taxi driver but you have to pay for a radio each week. I'm trying to help folk and that pays back, that's what I notice on forums and the help I have received from most participants. You will always get the jealous guys who try and put you down which has helped me grow. We should be on here to help each other to build our business and share skills but a small minority don't have that mindset. Until they change then they will be stuck in first gear, that's what I noticed in life.
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Bigger lock up for somewhere to store your annoying massive head!
We are on hear to help each other and share skills to make our business grow. What have you every brought to the forum bar jealousy? Yes nothing, the sooner you change your mindset the better your business will become. I'm only trying to help you.
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Its all swings and roundabouts. A small van is great if just cleaning windows and maybe a roof rack for a ladder. Today I was spraying a large community hall roof with hypo and clearing out their gutters. After that I sprayed the top of windows, pvc doors and the underside of gutters. Finished off with the wfp to clean everything I had sprayed. The big van is perfect for this type of work and great for advertising. In the end its the function of the business one is running.
I'd want to be turning over at least 80k a year before I'd even think of getting a large new van like a crafter
Thing is large vans aren’t that much dearer than much smaller ones , it’s not about the cost of the van it’s the type of work you are doing that will determine the size of van required
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5 minutes ago you were talking about how window cleaning and gutter cleaning was far more profitable and that you were ditching the ‘other work’.
Now you’ve inevitably flipped back to ‘add ons are the way forward again’!
Which is it?
I know as I have done both for many years.
There isn’t another ‘trade’ out there that has the benefit of regular work. No need to go chasing work, driving all over, quoting. Consistent earnings. Ability to virtually never be weather dependant.
Jealousy - that is quite funny to be fair!
And there is nothing that you could do to help me with my business. Others yes. You almost certainly no.
You talk drivel pure and simple.
And that is of course all my own opinion.
Have a great day ‘Scottish’ ‘Michael Mc’ or whoever else you may be!
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Its all swings and roundabouts. A small van is great if just cleaning windows and maybe a roof rack for a ladder. Today I was spraying a large community hall roof with hypo and clearing out their gutters. After that I sprayed the top of windows, pvc doors and the underside of gutters. Finished off with the wfp to clean everything I had sprayed. The big van is perfect for this type of work and great for advertising. In the end its the function of the business one is running.
I'd want to be turning over at least 80k a year before I'd even think of getting a large new van like a crafter
Thing is large vans aren’t that much dearer than much smaller ones , it’s not about the cost of the van it’s the type of work you are doing that will determine the size of van required
They are 3 times more expensive
per month to lease according to Michael...£630 a month!
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Its all swings and roundabouts. A small van is great if just cleaning windows and maybe a roof rack for a ladder. Today I was spraying a large community hall roof with hypo and clearing out their gutters. After that I sprayed the top of windows, pvc doors and the underside of gutters. Finished off with the wfp to clean everything I had sprayed. The big van is perfect for this type of work and great for advertising. In the end its the function of the business one is running.
I'd want to be turning over at least 80k a year before I'd even think of getting a large new van like a crafter
Thing is large vans aren’t that much dearer than much smaller ones , it’s not about the cost of the van it’s the type of work you are doing that will determine the size of van required
They are 3 times more expensive
per month to lease according to Michael...£630 a month!
Couldn’t comment on leasing we buy our vans but bigger vans aren’t that much dearer than smaller ones if buying new , all are grossly overpriced
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They are 3 times more expensive
per month to lease according to Michael...£630 a month!
That's for the top of the range new Crafter. You can lease a Citroen for half that price. Anyway with the recession coming thick and fast I have noticed VW are having problems selling nearly new stock. Their used to be 30 odd and now there is nearly 80 for the MWB ones. Big construction companies are going bust and their orders have been cancelled. That's why there is many that look like vans that do work on motorways with red and yellow chevrons on the back doors. One company had nearly 3,000 employees.
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5 minutes ago you were talking about how window cleaning and gutter cleaning was far more profitable and that you were ditching the ‘other work’.
Now you’ve inevitably flipped back to ‘add ons are the way forward again’!
Which is it?
I know as I have done both for many years.
There isn’t another ‘trade’ out there that has the benefit of regular work. No need to go chasing work, driving all over, quoting. Consistent earnings. Ability to virtually never be weather dependant.
Jealousy - that is quite funny to be fair!
And there is nothing that you could do to help me with my business. Others yes. You almost certainly no.
You talk drivel pure and simple.
And that is of course all my own opinion.
Have a great day ‘Scottish’ ‘Michael Mc’ or whoever else you may be!
Always moaning more like, just ignore me and move on. We are too busy on here to get involved with you.
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My vans back on the road lads 😂😂😂
This topic has taken a bit of a swerve 😱😂😂😂
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My vans back on the road lads 😂😂😂
This topic has taken a bit of a swerve 😱😂😂😂
Like that never happens.
Good news on your van