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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: AuRavelling79 on September 15, 2023, 03:41:24 pm
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Electric vans/vehicles.
Anyone using or considering for work? Fleet operators considering for city areas?
Also private family cars too.
Experiences and thoughts most welcome.
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not for me
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Nor me.
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Nor me. My neighbour has got a Vauxhall all electric car. The charger started playing up and they had to drive 10 miles to charge it. They lease it. I might get a hybrid but not really looked into it. I'd like an automatic van though, my car is auto and so easy to drive.
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Thought you just got your Hyundai back on road. It ought to serve you until retirement, unless you plan to work into your 70's.
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l know Ionics have already fitted quit a few of their systems in electric vans I will try and get some feedback from them
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My next van will be Electric. Seeing as we don't cover many miles in a day, I reckon they are ideal for us with all these short stops which are now not ideal for these new vans. Fast charge over night every two of three days. Seems okay, but need to research a bit more.
I won't miss the worry of gearbox, clutch, engine blows, oil leaks, starter motors and those diesel filter failures.
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Keeping my diesel van until retirement. Drive an XKR that gets to 60mph in 4.5 secs so won't ever be going electric. More chance of emigrating than buying an EV, no thanks!
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Thought you just got your Hyundai back on road. It ought to serve you until retirement, unless you plan to work into your 70's.
I have. I'm not asking for me. As you say, my van in my locality ought to last me out.
But I know that others here might start to consider it.
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Keeping my diesel van until retirement. Drive an XKR that gets to 60mph in 4.5 secs so won't ever be going electric. More chance of emigrating than buying an EV, no thanks!
I didn't think about acceleration but if that's important a Tesla does 0-60 in under 4 seconds.
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My next van will be Electric. Seeing as we don't cover many miles in a day, I reckon they are ideal for us. Fast charge over night every two of three days. Seems okay, but need to research a bit more.
I won't miss the worry of gearbox, clutch, engine blows, oil leaks and those detail filters.
What about payload? Is that a factor?
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My next van will be Electric. Seeing as we don't cover many miles in a day, I reckon they are ideal for us. Fast charge over night every two of three days. Seems okay, but need to research a bit more.
I won't miss the worry of gearbox, clutch, engine blows, oil leaks and those detail filters.
What about payload? Is that a factor?
No idea, need to research it when ready to change. But if the van can't handle a decent payload, I shouldn't be called a van 🤣
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My next van will be Electric. Seeing as we don't cover many miles in a day, I reckon they are ideal for us. Fast charge over night every two of three days. Seems okay, but need to research a bit more.
I won't miss the worry of gearbox, clutch, engine blows, oil leaks and those detail filters.
What about payload? Is that a factor?
No idea, need to research it when ready to change. But if the van can't handle a decent payload, I shouldn't be called a van 🤣
I agree. However the heavier the vehicle the more batteries are needed. Eating into the payload. A bit of a vicious circle and why in the early days you could more readily get lighter vans.
As yet, no electric lorries in part for that reason!
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Keeping my diesel van until retirement. Drive an XKR that gets to 60mph in 4.5 secs so won't ever be going electric. More chance of emigrating than buying an EV, no thanks!
I didn't think about acceleration but if that's important a Tesla does 0-60 in under 4 seconds.
Tesla don't purr like a kitten and growl like a tiger when you put your foot down and are just plain ugly, no soul.
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It's a long story but at one point I had 3. Currently down to one which I'll be returning in march. Unfortunately my first foray into electric vehicles hit the stumbling blocks. I was offered a deal that was too good to be true and it turned out that it was too good to be true. Suffice it to say - don't hire vans. Ever.
However, I've bought one which will be delivered next week, fingers crossed
If you want to go electric there's ground work you need to do and some things that are deal breakers.
1 - You need somewhere to charge it. At home. You can't be reliant on the current infrastructure.
2 - Buy a decent charger.
B - You need to get your electric tariff sorted to a day/night rate. There is a cap at the moment so most domestic rates are the same (around 30pkwh). That will work out around the same for fuel as diesel. My rate is 9.5ppkwh during the night and 31ppkwh during the day. It knocks around 2/3 off the fuel bill. Slightly more expensive during the day for electricity but the savings on fuel far outstrip the extra 1ppkwh during the day.
D - Take a look at the distances you normally cover. The vans on the market (and coming into the second hand market) claim to do 150 miles. In reality they do 130 in the summer and as low as 100 in the winter if you've got the heater running all day. I have a number of vans on the road, at present there's only 2 that I couldn't replace with electric due to range issues. I imagine that the range on the next gen will be much higher though. The new ford truck claims 600 miles.
F - Don't read the stories in the daily mail about EVs. They are lying to you for some reason and it's weird. https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/daily-mail-misleads-its-readers-about-electric-vehicles/
4 - Depreciation is an issue. As with all technology, when a new version comes out the price of the old one drops like a stone.
5 - If you use your van for other stuff; as your daily driver, fishing trips, that sort of thing - forget it. Wait until the range is longer. They are great for shopping though. There's always a parking space ;)
G - Do your research properly. It's a big initial outlay but the savings are massive.
If you've got any spare cash knocking about I'd be looking at solar panels and battery storage too (you can charge your battery on night rate and run your house on 9.5ppkwh). If the last few years have taught us anything it's that we can't trust any of these modded
TLDR; Electric vans are pretty much perfect for window cleaning.
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Keeping my diesel van until retirement. Drive an XKR that gets to 60mph in 4.5 secs so won't ever be going electric. More chance of emigrating than buying an EV, no thanks!
I didn't think about acceleration but if that's important a Tesla does 0-60 in under 4 seconds.
Tesla don't purr like a kitten and growl like a tiger when you put your foot down and are just plain ugly, no soul.
I'm not a fan of Teslas either. They are ugly, they look like a 90s Mondeo and up close they are built like a 90s vauxhall. Tesla's charging infrastructure is great though
I quite like the look of the Jaguar ipace.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1694845432_Jaguar-IPace.jpg)
Although I understand it has reliability issues, course it does it's a Jag. Having said that it's got 1000s less movable parts to go wrong than an xkr.
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My next van will be Electric. Seeing as we don't cover many miles in a day, I reckon they are ideal for us. Fast charge over night every two of three days. Seems okay, but need to research a bit more.
I won't miss the worry of gearbox, clutch, engine blows, oil leaks and those detail filters.
What about payload? Is that a factor?
So far I've found them to be better than diesels. Almost all of the electric vans I've looked at have had more than 800kg payload. Most 1t+
The vivaro I just bought is 1226kg
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Just hope you aren't involved in an accident and that the batteries don't catch fire.
John Cadogan on Youtube has made some good observations.
We have a customer working on a fuel storage site (one of 4) on Teesside. No electric or hybrid vehicles are allowed on site due to fire risk.
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Just hope you aren't involved in an accident
I hope that anyway.
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Just hope you aren't involved in an accident and that the batteries don't catch fire.
John Cadogan on Youtube has made some good observations.
We have a customer working on a fuel storage site (one of 4) on Teesside. No electric or hybrid vehicles are allowed on site due to fire risk.
From 'What Car?'
A Freedom of Information request submitted by Air Quality News revealed that the London Fire Brigade tackled 54 EV fires in 2019, compared with 1898 fires involving petrol or diesel cars. True, there are far more petrol and diesel cars on London roads than EVs, but this still means there were proportionally fewer electric car fires than fires involving ICE cars.
Same article ...
In fact, the fully electric Tesla Model Y is the highest-scoring car tested by Euro NCAP since the latest standards were introduced in 2020, which is part of the reason why it won our Safety Award at the 2023 What Car? Awards.
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And ...
A more recent report conducted by Health and Safety organisation CE Safety found that there have been 753 callouts to EV fires in the UK over the past five years. This total includes all types of electric vehicle, including e-scooters and e-bikes, with electric cars representing 44%.
Thompson, from Thatcham Research, commented: “We know that vehicle manufacturers have designed their batteries and high voltage components to be very well protected, so there isn't really any additional concern about fires.
“I think in the early days, people were very concerned about it, because it was very much an unknown. But thanks to the design work that's gone in to protect the battery components, I’d say that we're not seeing any evidence that there is a greater fire risk with electric cars.”
Finally ...
Thompson explains: “Because EVs don't have an engine up front, they actually have more space to absorb the energy of an impact instead of letting occupants take the force of it.”
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Just hope you aren't involved in an accident and that the batteries don't catch fire.
John Cadogan on Youtube has made some good observations.
We have a customer working on a fuel storage site (one of 4) on Teesside. No electric or hybrid vehicles are allowed on site due to fire risk.
I've no idea who that is but he appears to be an Australian journalist?
Google it and come to your own conclusions.
Ncap seem happy though.
https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/
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Just hope you aren't involved in an accident and that the batteries don't catch fire.
John Cadogan on Youtube has made some good observations.
We have a customer working on a fuel storage site (one of 4) on Teesside. No electric or hybrid vehicles are allowed on site due to fire risk.
I've no idea who that is but he appears to be an Australian journalist?
Google it and come to your own conclusions.
Ncap seem happy though.
https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/
He waffles a bit but he's an interesting chap.
He's a decent journalist but previously an engineer with a degree in mechanical engineering.
He's very good at sussing out bogus claims from manufacturers.
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Just hope you aren't involved in an accident and that the batteries don't catch fire.
John Cadogan on Youtube has made some good observations.
We have a customer working on a fuel storage site (one of 4) on Teesside. No electric or hybrid vehicles are allowed on site due to fire risk.
I've no idea who that is but he appears to be an Australian journalist?
Google it and come to your own conclusions.
Ncap seem happy though.
https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/
He waffles a bit but he's an interesting chap.
He's a decent journalist but previously an engineer with a degree in mechanical engineering.
He's very good at sussing out bogus claims from manufacturers.
There's certainly loads of them
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
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Until they build one that has a 1400kg payload and has range of 300 miles, waste of time.
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
If you can find statistics differentiating between the two I'd really like to see it.
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Until they build one that has a 1400kg payload and has range of 300 miles, waste of time.
For you.
I'd be fine with one with 1000kg payload and a range of 150. It's the initial cost that puts me off.
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Until they build one that has a 1400kg payload and has range of 300 miles, waste of time.
For you.
I'd be fine with one with 1000kg payload and a range of 150. It's the initial cost that puts me off.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186047728549?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=4IXnXc-bSru&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225752329133?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ta-weclsSQK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204461982086?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=etqkb-v0qmo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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Sorry for the long links - on my phone.
The depreciation is crap so the second hand market is pretty good. There's bargains to be had.
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Until they build one that has a 1400kg payload and has range of 300 miles, waste of time.
1400kg payload? How big is your tank?
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As far as fires go, I've run two vans for 12 months, and one van for 18 months. Around 30k miles in total All carrying water, all abused by staff under 30.
No fires so far.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204461982086?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=etqkb-v0qmo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
That seems incredibly cheap for a 21 plate Transporter.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204461982086?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=etqkb-v0qmo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
That seems incredibly cheap for a 21 plate Transporter.
Especially as it is a Vito
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Seems prices are easing up a bit.
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
Funnily enough, even 60 miles true range would be enough for me for a day at work. I usually do less than 30 and almost never more than 40.
But I wouldn't want to have a vehicle with such a range.
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/204461982086?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=etqkb-v0qmo&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
That seems incredibly cheap for a 21 plate Transporter.
Especially as it is a Vito
That's because I tagged the wrong one on my phone.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225752329133?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ta-weclsSQK&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=9dV48c2sSYG&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
That is exceedingly cheap for a Transporter
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
Plus a maximum speed of 56mph!
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What worries me is the many start stop I do . If it’s like a diesel it takes a big boost to start and with 500 l tank . What is a real life estimate per charge
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What worries me is the many start stop I do . If it’s like a diesel it takes a big boost to start and with 500 l tank . What is a real life estimate per charge
Actually it's the starting battery in ICE vehicle that gives the energy to start. Pulling away is where the engine/motor kicks in.
But yes, pulling away and very short journeys proportionately take more energy than rolling in the 30/50 mph range.
My diesel does high 20's when stopping and starting for work up to high 30's for a 60/65 mph run.
The laws of physics tell me that give or take an electric would be proportionate.
So if my battery gave 200 miles under perfect conditions, 160 under real life conditions and 120 under arduous conditions that would be equivalent to diesel 40 mpg under perfect conditions, 32 mpg under real life easy going conditions and 26 mpg under start stop short journeys.
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
Plus a maximum speed of 56mph!
Our Vito's had that. We got it removed. It was dangerous.
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This is my Jaguar no electric for me yet(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1694954936_IMG_2293.jpeg)
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Electric motor under the bonnet(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1694955001_IMG_2280.jpeg)
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This is my Jaguar no electric for me yet(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1694954936_IMG_2293.jpeg)
That is stunning! Tell us more about it.
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It’s a 1958 xk 150 3.4 138 mph ex lemans racer monster from the 1950s Same engine as the e type you were something if you could afford /drive one of these. I have had it for 30 years but don’t get much chance to drive it sometimes just go in the garage and sit and drink in the smell of leather petrol and old car smells if you have an old car you’ll know what I mean and no battery car can ever take the place of the sound track these make
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It’s a 1958 xk 150 3.4 138 mph ex lemans racer monster from the 1950s Same engine as the e type you were something if you could afford /drive one of these. I have had it for 30 years but don’t get much chance to drive it sometimes just go in the garage and sit and drink in the smell of leather petrol and old car smells if you have an old car you’ll know what I mean and no battery car can ever take the place of the sound track these make
And neither they should.
A utility vehicle like a van however...
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Until they build one that has a 1400kg payload and has range of 300 miles, waste of time.
1400kg payload? How big is your tank?
1000litre in 4 transit 350s
650 in custom
350 berlingo
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
That’s not the case most petrol or diesel fires are electrical faults or fuel leaks , arson is a very low figure . Ev fires are rare but that’s partly due to very low numbers of them compared to petrol/ diesel , they are also very difficult to extinguish.
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A bit of breathing space... ( if that's the right expression ;D )
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66857551.amp
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Lithium batteries are fitted to a lot of boats these days usually by the owner. Some insurance companies are quite jittery over the fire risk of them.
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
I have been in the fire service 36 years and arson is very low cause of car fires in our area 98 % are electrical faults or fuel leaks
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
I have been in the fire service 36 years and arson is very low cause of car fires in our area 98 % are electrical faults or fuel leaks
You obviously dont work near paulsgrove then ! ;D
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
I have been in the fire service 36 years and arson is very low cause of car fires in our area 98 % are electrical faults or fuel leaks
You obviously dont work near paulsgrove then ! ;D
Are we talking about the tree surgeon ? If so I know him well , still doesn’t alter the figures for vehicle fires in Cornwall though 😂😂😂
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I’ve been an arsonist for twenty years and have to say you are both wrong.
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Thank goodness I'm old enough to not have to consider buying an electric van for my working life time. All the extra expense, range anxiety and in years to come parking problems with kerbside recharging for vehicles, LTN and more than likely Ulez charges everywhere as the councils are cash strapped and using motorists as easy, convenient, captured victims to pass the charges on to, to boost up their council tax revenues.
Less than two years to push until early retirement or part retirement, can't come soon enough. Twenty five years cleaning windows is long enough to appreciate that a happy work life balance is more important than work work work to stay in the rat race to compete day in day out. I do feel sorry for the younger ones trying to raise a family, get a mortgage with everything getting harder as life goes on.
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
I have been in the fire service 36 years and arson is very low cause of car fires in our area 98 % are electrical faults or fuel leaks
You obviously dont work near paulsgrove then ! ;D
Are we talking about the tree surgeon ? If so I know him well , still doesn’t alter the figures for vehicle fires in Cornwall though 😂😂😂
Paulsgrove estate is famous for not knowing the difference between pediatrician and peadophile.
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
I have been in the fire service 36 years and arson is very low cause of car fires in our area 98 % are electrical faults or fuel leaks
You obviously dont work near paulsgrove then ! ;D
Are we talking about the tree surgeon ? If so I know him well , still doesn’t alter the figures for vehicle fires in Cornwall though 😂😂😂
Paulsgrove estate is famous for not knowing the difference between pediatrician and peadophile.
Ok sorry I have a friend who is a tree surgeon with the same name thought you meant him 😂😂😂
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Regarding the fires statistics......most petrol/diesel car fires are by malicious ignition.....would imagine most EV fires are fault fires.
J and s is absolutely right above , you wont likely find the stats very easily but any firemen knows from experience that the majority of car fires are malicious on petrol/diesel . The big danger with electric cars is that you can't put them out, some brigades now have a hiab with a skip full of water on the back to fully submerse vehicle for 24hrs.
I have been in the fire service 36 years and arson is very low cause of car fires in our area 98 % are electrical faults or fuel leaks
You obviously dont work near paulsgrove then ! ;D
Are we talking about the tree surgeon ? If so I know him well , still doesn’t alter the figures for vehicle fires in Cornwall though 😂😂😂
Paulsgrove estate is famous for not knowing the difference between pediatrician and peadophile.
Ok sorry I have a friend who is a tree surgeon with the same name thought you meant him 😂😂😂
Poor sap.
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Former Special Branch apparently.
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
I've consistently been amazed at the mileages some people on here do. (or did, according to this poll from 2013 - http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=174404.0)
My highest mileage in a single day on my round is 35 miles. And my round feels spread out to buggery. Where are you all going?
Vin
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
I've consistently been amazed at the mileages some people on here do. (or did, according to this poll from 2013 - http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=174404.0)
My highest mileage in a single day on my round is 35 miles. And my round feels spread out to buggery. Where are you all going?
Vin
Most of our domestic is within a couple of miles from base ,,so a maximum of 5 miles a day but we also do a fair bit of commercial all the way up to London so by the time we have done the lot going up it’s over 385 miles , it’s then a straight drive home of 285 , but from a financial point of view it’s a no brainier been doing this for 20 years .
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Transporter has a 82 mile range.
That's why nobody wants them.
You'd be lucky to get 60 miles per charge on 1 realistically.
I've consistently been amazed at the mileages some people on here do. (or did, according to this poll from 2013 - http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=174404.0)
My highest mileage in a single day on my round is 35 miles. And my round feels spread out to buggery. Where are you all going?
Vin
Anywhere in the UK.
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My local rounds are within 5 miles as an average, but like others, I’ll travel 30 odd miles or more for commercial and even further for softwash jobs.
I still do less than 9000 miles a year
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Just looked at Vin's quoted thread from 2013.
Two points.
1. I still do about 5,000 miles a year - on business. I bought my van new in 2012 and 11.5 years later it's on 71,000 so allowing for a handful of camping/canoeing trips to Scotland and the Lakes, moving my caravan and student moving runs to London it's about right.
2. I think Vin and I have mellowed somewhat since 2013. ;D
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Just looked at Vin's quoted thread from 2013.
Two points.
1. I still do about 5,000 miles a year - on business. I bought my van new in 2012 and 11.5 years later it's on 71,000 so allowing for a handful of camping/canoeing trips to Scotland and the Lakes, moving my caravan and student moving runs to London it's about right.
2. I think Vin and I have mellowed somewhat since 2013. ;D
Not me.
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I think these 2 are interesting/good choices for window cleaning .I know they would be for me and the majority that don't travel to much . Rather this than a diesel one , not that I'm against it it's just o hear so many with issues with Dpf's , Egr's , Ad blue , injectors .
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202308311379238?sort=distance&advertising-location=at_vans&fuel-type=Electric&include-delivery-option=on&page=3&postcode=CO3%200QX&supplied-price-to=18000&year-from=2021&fromsra
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202306299063885?sort=distance&advertising-location=at_vans&fuel-type=Electric&include-delivery-option=on&postcode=CO3%200QX&supplied-price-to=22500&year-from=2021&fromsra
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I went to look at a maxus. It was really cheap but the chassis looked like I'd made it in my workshop. In fact I think I'd have done a better job.
It was 1 year old had 2000 miles on the clock and was selling for really cheap.
I walked away.
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An hour long but very interesting.
https://youtu.be/LeHakmL6eEc?si=Cs9LfncAWiKzksSJ
Points raised by fleet owners (10s if not 100s of thousands of vehicles) dispelling myths about electric vehicles.
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Something we may not have considered and which will likely feed into any decisions.
Insurance Premiums.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs
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Something we may not have considered and which will likely feed into any decisions.
Insurance Premiums.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs
Not been any more expensive for me so far.
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Something we may not have considered and which will likely feed into any decisions.
Insurance Premiums.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs
Not been any more expensive for me so far.
When was your last renewal of the main motor policy?
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Something we may not have considered and which will likely feed into any decisions.
Insurance Premiums.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs
Not been any more expensive for me so far.
When was your last renewal of the main motor policy?
July
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Insurance companies are refusing to insure one make of Tesla simply because of the battery fires and the fact that the risks are not well known as they are still relatively new so they have little records to base their quotes on.
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Insurance companies are refusing to insure one make of Tesla simply because of the battery fires and the fact that the risks are not well known as they are still relatively new so they have little records to base their quotes on.
Sounds like a good few companies will no longer insure EV's full stop! They say they are too expensive to repair.
From what I have been seeing on Youtube the manufacturers are basically either refusing to supply parts ( I though that was against law - must sell spares for 6 or 8 years?) or are software locking stuff and refusing to unlock on 'safety' grounds.
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https://electrek.co/2023/09/29/honda-unveils-10k-electric-n-van-e-130-mile-range-v2h/
Interesting if they sell them for $10k. Worth the punt maybe as we don't cover many miles.
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https://electrek.co/2023/09/29/honda-unveils-10k-electric-n-van-e-130-mile-range-v2h/
Interesting if they sell them for $10k. Worth the punt maybe as we don't cover many miles.
It's a micro van. A sort of flying fridge suited to city runabout stuff.
The petrol version has been around since 2018 with a 650cc engine and 350kg payload.
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https://electrek.co/2023/09/29/honda-unveils-10k-electric-n-van-e-130-mile-range-v2h/
Interesting if they sell them for $10k. Worth the punt maybe as we don't cover many miles.
Looks a bit wee
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Something we may not have considered and which will likely feed into any decisions.
Insurance Premiums.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-were-5000-or-more-electric-vehicle-owners-face-soaring-insurance-costs
Just bought and insured an E-Vivaro (1250kg payload) today.
No issues whatsoever. Same premium as the diesel motors. I'm with AXA I think.
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Gets a very good write up on Parkers. Good range too.
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On westcountry news tonight an electric van (vauxhall vivaro) caught fire whilst parked up and engulfed their home as well, they have lost everything.
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Doesn’t look too bad(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696660297_IMG_5349.jpeg)
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Doesn’t look too bad(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696660297_IMG_5349.jpeg)
Buff right out.
Clearly not a battery fire.
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Doesn’t look too bad(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696660297_IMG_5349.jpeg)
Buff right out.
Clearly not a battery fire.
It is believed it was a battery or electrical fire the video footage is being examined by fire investigators and the police
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It is believed it was a battery or electrical fire the video footage is being examined by fire investigators and the police
I don't think there would be anything left if the battery went on fire.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-10-05/family-of-five-loses-everything-in-devastating-fire
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696740177_Screenshot_2023-10-08-05-41-40-60_f9ee0578fe1cc94de7482bd41accb329.jpg)
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It is believed it was a battery or electrical fire the video footage is being examined by fire investigators and the police
I don't think there would be anything left if the battery went on fire.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-10-05/family-of-five-loses-everything-in-devastating-fire
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696740177_Screenshot_2023-10-08-05-41-40-60_f9ee0578fe1cc94de7482bd41accb329.jpg)
I am at fire station very close to this incident so am fully aware of what’s happened and the subsequent investigation this fire isn’t a one off there have been many similar involving Vauxhall vans
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One problem that we have had with the electric vans is getting people to work on them. It could be specific to us as we're fairly rural.
The vivaro has a recall on it. I've booked it in, in Dundee (90 miles away) on 07/11 which is a bit of a pain.
We had a similar issue with the mercs.
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One problem that we have had with the electric vans is getting people to work on them. It could be specific to us as we're fairly rural.
The vivaro has a recall on it. I've booked it in, in Dundee (90 miles away) on 07/11 which is a bit of a pain.
We had a similar issue with the mercs.
A lot of recovery firms will not recover ev vehicles after a guy recovered one and got electrocuted and died ,ime not against electric vehicles in fact I think they can be very good the issues are poor battery life/range and fires at this time .
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A lot of recovery firms will not recover ev vehicles after a guy recovered one and got electrocuted and died
That's a new one, not heard of that before.
EVs are less likely to go on fire though, aren't they?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/how-safe-are-electric-cars/n25839
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696768342_Screenshot_2023-10-08-13-31-21-22_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg)
Obviously if the battery catches fire it's much harder to put out though.
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I have an uncle in the trade (parts Manager) - their company will not do electric vehicles due to the cost of installing loads of specialist equipment specifically to deal with the battery - don't know all the ins and outs but he said one item was a Shepards crook for pulling off the mechanic if being electrocuted ( this may of course been a joke )
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I have an uncle in the trade (parts Manager) - their company will not do electric vehicles due to the cost of installing loads of specialist equipment specifically to deal with the battery - don't know all the ins and outs but he said one item was a Shepards crook for pulling off the mechanic if being electrocuted ( this may of course been a joke )
That's really Baaaaa-d.
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A lot of recovery firms will not recover ev vehicles after a guy recovered one and got electrocuted and died
That's a new one, not heard of that before.
EVs are less likely to go on fire though, aren't they?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/how-safe-are-electric-cars/n25839
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1696768342_Screenshot_2023-10-08-13-31-21-22_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg)
Obviously if the battery catches fire it's much harder to put out though.
It was on the tv news a few months ago , the recovery truck driver was winching the electric car onto the recovery truck and the main feed wire from the batteries to the motors got caught on the metal bed of the recovery truck and rubbed through the insolation and he got electrocuted and died , can’t remember who the recovery firm was but a well known one like AA or RAC
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Took the Vivaro-e home last night.
Holy crap on a cracker it can shift :o
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Took the Vivaro-e home last night.
Holy crap on a cracker it can shift :o
But what’s the real world range ?
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Took the Vivaro-e home last night.
Holy crap on a cracker it can shift :o
But what’s the real world range ?
In eco mode 125 miles.
In mental mode about 75
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These bloomin
EVs diesels are downright dangerous.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24360858/luton-airport-fire-cause-revealed-cars-destroyed/
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1697016032_Screenshot 2023-10-11 102000.png)
1500 vehicles wiped out.
That'll be a fun phone call to the insurance company!
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These bloomin EVs diesels are downright dangerous.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24360858/luton-airport-fire-cause-revealed-cars-destroyed/
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1697016032_Screenshot 2023-10-11 102000.png)
1500 vehicles wiped out.
That'll be a fun phone call to the insurance company!
;D ;D
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Took the Vivaro-e home last night.
Holy crap on a cracker it can shift :o
But what’s the real world range ?
In eco mode 125 miles.
In mental mode about 75
That's actually OK for me.i do around 10-15miles a day,sometimes less.
I think an electric van would work out OK for me.just a pain having a diesel water heater and having to have a separate tank.i couldn't go back to cold water cleaning now so I'd have to come up with some sort of solution.probably go for an immersion heater maybe?
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I have an immersion. My son in law has a diesel heater.
If you want serious hot water cleaning I say heat on demand from diesel (or gas) gives you most control and on demand cleaning power.
Immersion for me is simply for frost protection and supple hoses.
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Mr gold -
Honest question for you…
Why only an immersion and not the full Monty of hot water cleaning?
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Took the Vivaro-e home last night.
Holy crap on a cracker it can shift :o
But what’s the real world range ?
In eco mode 125 miles.
In mental mode about 75
That's actually OK for me.i do around 10-15miles a day,sometimes less.
I think an electric van would work out OK for me.just a pain having a diesel water heater and having to have a separate tank.i couldn't go back to cold water cleaning now so I'd have to come up with some sort of solution.probably go for an immersion heater maybe?
Your heated seat would drain the battery😉
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Mr gold -
Honest question for you…
Why only an immersion and not the full Monty of hot water cleaning?
I don't think I need it for my kind of work. Regular window cleaning. But if you think I'd be wise to do so I'm listening.
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No, not at all - unlike others with “hot” who claim it’s the answer to everything window cleaning it interesting to get your view 👍
Darran
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I thought about a hot system but I could buy thirteen reach it brushes for the same money.
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Had an issue with my last remaining mercedes EV. The dash stopped working.
Within 2 hours there was a mercedes mechanic on site, sorted it in about 20 minutes.
I asked him if he was qualified to work on EVs, he said he's only done the training for working inside the vehicle, they've got a shortage of mechanics and cant spare them to send them on the training.
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Not van related, but I had a Mercedes EQC courtesy car whilst my car was being serviced on Friday. I have to say from someone who is very sceptical about EV’s I was really impressed. Of course there are pros and cons involved but I would now definitely consider going electric in the near future.
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Not van related, but I had a Mercedes EQC courtesy car whilst my car was being serviced on Friday. I have to say from someone who is very sceptical about EV’s I was really impressed. Of course there are pros and cons involved but I would now definitely consider going electric in the near future.
Borrowing one whilst your cars having a service is one thing daily living with one is quite another, I have several friend that have electric cars , Mercedes , Honda , Tesla , Audi , and BMW all have said they wished they had never bought them insurance with Tesla has gone from £800 a year to 5:5k and some in’surance companies will no longer insure them all electric vehicle premiums are soaring due to very height repair costs , do your homework very carefully before buying one would be my advice.
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Insured my vivaro-e for the same price as a Fiat dobló.
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
Thankfully not.
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
It’s hardly a Tesla is it
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
It’s hardly a Tesla is it
No but you said premiums were rising due to the high repair cost. If it's an electric vehicle it is an electric vehicle.
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
It’s hardly a Tesla is it
No but you said premiums were rising due to the high repair cost. If it's an electric vehicle it is an electric vehicle.
It was Soupy who mentioned premiums, not DJW😉
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I think you will find it was splash
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
It’s hardly a Tesla is it
No but you said premiums were rising due to the high repair cost. If it's an electric vehicle it is an electric vehicle.
And so they are rising try Googling insurance for EV vehicles and see what they cost especially the more expensive makes like Audi ,BMW, Tesla, Mercedes Volvo was only talking to a customer today he has a Volvo EV and the premium has gone up by £490 since last year , he’s had no claims they told him it’s due to the extreme costs of repairs with electric vehicles and all makes will be following suite some insurance companies will not insure EV full stop this situation is only going to get worse .
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
It’s hardly a Tesla is it
No but you said premiums were rising due to the high repair cost. If it's an electric vehicle it is an electric vehicle.
It was Soupy who mentioned premiums, not DJW😉
Bit confusing but I meant to reference the Splash part of the quote.
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I think you will find it was splash
It indeed was Splash…..I stand corrected 😉
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So not five and a half grand then? 🤔
It’s hardly a Tesla is it
No but you said premiums were rising due to the high repair cost. If it's an electric vehicle it is an electric vehicle.
It was Soupy who mentioned premiums, not DJW😉
Bit confusing but I meant to reference the Splash part of the quote.
I think I confused myself, it was Splash and not Soupy who mentioned premiums🥴
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Not van related, but I had a Mercedes EQC courtesy car whilst my car was being serviced on Friday. I have to say from someone who is very sceptical about EV’s I was really impressed. Of course there are pros and cons involved but I would now definitely consider going electric in the near future.
Borrowing one whilst your cars having a service is one thing daily living with one is quite another, I have several friend that have electric cars , Mercedes , Honda , Tesla , Audi , and BMW all have said they wished they had never bought them insurance with Tesla has gone from £800 a year to 5:5k and some in’surance companies will no longer insure them all electric vehicle premiums are soaring due to very height repair costs , do your homework very carefully before buying one would be my advice.
Yes that’s why I said there are pros and cons……seems like the cons outweigh the pros at the moment though .
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Water and electric ??? Not for me
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Water and electric ??? Not for me
Not had a problem with that. Been running EVs for around 18 months.
Roads tend to get wet too.
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How are electric vehicles getting on driving through the floods today? No being able to slip the clutch to keep the revs up. Water getting into the battery compartments?
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How are electric vehicles getting on driving through the floods today? No being able to slip the clutch to keep the revs up. Water getting into the battery compartments?
All the roads are closed round here so parked up and going nowhere.
Water can't get into the battery compartment though.
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an advantage I would have thought all that extra weight will stop them floating away ;D
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How are electric vehicles getting on driving through the floods today? No being able to slip the clutch to keep the revs up. Water getting into the battery compartments?
One thing I do know - they are terrible in the snow. The accelerator pedal is basically an on / off switch which isn't helpful if you're struggling for traction.