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Title: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: lee_dewing on May 09, 2023, 03:49:22 pm
Hello everyone

I’ve been asked to do gutters clearing out moss etc.

I use sky vac Atom.

Also to clean fascia soffit and guttering
I will be using wfp to do this
Details are 80 metres-ish

Property is a detached bungalow
It’s extended so ground floor and 1st floor
F/s/g  is only 8 feet high the majority of it
And the guttering is black not white as fascia and soffits

Other things of note a lot of dome cctv cameras to be careful of

Also on gutter vacuuming the gutters are tight to the building

I have an idea of price but a few more opinions might help

Their a good customer for 2 monthly
Clean has indoor swimming pool
Lots of glass and now glass panel balconies
Out bar pizza oven etc 😁

Many thanks lee
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: DJW on May 09, 2023, 04:59:01 pm
You won’t get a sensible answer on here.
What were you thinking?

Maybe charge £100 an hour for the first couple of hours?
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 09, 2023, 05:11:06 pm
Hello everyone

I’ve been asked to do gutters clearing out moss etc.

I use sky vac Atom.

Also to clean fascia soffit and guttering
I will be using wfp to do this
Details are 80 metres-ish

Property is a detached bungalow
It’s extended so ground floor and 1st floor
F/s/g  is only 8 feet high the majority of it
And the guttering is black not white as fascia and soffits

Other things of note a lot of dome cctv cameras to be careful of

Also on gutter vacuuming the gutters are tight to the building

I have an idea of price but a few more opinions might help

Their a good customer for 2 monthly
Clean has indoor swimming pool
Lots of glass and now glass panel balconies
Out bar pizza oven etc 😁

Many thanks lee

Charge what you want,there are no rules!

Whatever your happy with the job...

Personally I'd want to be hitting at least £70 per hour so if you think it'll take 4 hours I'd charge £280....
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: bravo20 on May 09, 2023, 06:31:21 pm
Whatever you charge make sure you add a pizza and a beer to the quote
Could really be cheeky and ask for a tray of beans in the pool as well 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: simon w on May 09, 2023, 08:43:28 pm
Your day rate, your not going to fancy doing much else afterwards, or day & half if their flush and you think you'll get away with it!!
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: SB Cleaning on May 09, 2023, 09:02:18 pm
Your day rate, your not going to fancy doing much else afterwards, or day & half if their flush and you think you'll get away with it!!
Sounds like a cushy one to me ;D
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: aaron musson on May 09, 2023, 09:45:25 pm
if the gutters are very tight in,and full, i tend to walk away from those  .  quite recently an asian fellow messaged me  wanting a gutter leak fixing turned out it was cast iron.  i wouldnt do it, explained it was sealed originally with molten lead -he wouldnt take no for an answer  so i ignored his messages  .i know my limits
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: james peters on May 10, 2023, 07:31:56 am
I tend to use a weak hypo solution  these days,  cuts down the amount of scrubbing.
also as its a bungalow, I would rinse off with a gentle pressure wash.
I normally book jobs like this in on a saturday morning.

how long it will take  X  wanted hourly rate  + small allowance for unforseen ball ache  =   price
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 10, 2023, 08:15:15 am
Hello everyone

I’ve been asked to do gutters clearing out moss etc.

I use sky vac Atom.

Also to clean fascia soffit and guttering
I will be using wfp to do this
Details are 80 metres-ish

Property is a detached bungalow
It’s extended so ground floor and 1st floor
F/s/g  is only 8 feet high the majority of it
And the guttering is black not white as fascia and soffits

Other things of note a lot of dome cctv cameras to be careful of

Also on gutter vacuuming the gutters are tight to the building

I have an idea of price but a few more opinions might help

Their a good customer for 2 monthly
Clean has indoor swimming pool
Lots of glass and now glass panel balconies
Out bar pizza oven etc 😁

Many thanks lee

It'll be a ladder job then for clearing gutters....rather you than me mate!😄

Im so glad I don't clear gutters out anymore.always hated it.....
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 10, 2023, 08:20:27 am
if the gutters are very tight in,and full, i tend to walk away from those  .  quite recently an asian fellow messaged me  wanting a gutter leak fixing turned out it was cast iron.  i wouldnt do it, explained it was sealed originally with molten lead -he wouldnt take no for an answer  so i ignored his messages  .i know my limits

No gutter clearing
No gutter repairs
No inside window cleaning
No inside conny roof cleaning

I don't do any of the above jobs anymore and haven't for many years now.....I still get asked every now and then.the answer is always NO.....I wouldn't do them for any price these days!😄
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Smudger on May 10, 2023, 10:19:03 am
if the gutters are very tight in,and full, i tend to walk away from those  .  quite recently an asian fellow messaged me  wanting a gutter leak fixing turned out it was cast iron.  i wouldnt do it, explained it was sealed originally with molten lead -he wouldnt take no for an answer  so i ignored his messages  .i know my limits

is that relevant to the post ??
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Smudger on May 10, 2023, 10:24:28 am
Lee.

Sometimes you just need to take a deep breath and go for it - break it down into small parts - for washing how long would it take to clean between brackets ( say 5 mins ) x that by the brackets (say 40 sections = 3.5 hrs) x this by twice your window clean average rate

Gutter clearing a bungalow would take around 45 mins tops

add that together for a price - then do the job if it takes longer next time charge more - if quicker then you got it right  ;)

Darran
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: lal on May 10, 2023, 12:59:57 pm

  Hey Lee,
  i would be charging  4 pounds a metre for clearing the Gutters,   4 pounds a metre cleaning G/F/S,
  that's 80 metres of gutters full of moss, that's a good few hours work, constantly emptying your
  Guttervac & flushing out the the carbon/poles and hose when they get heavy & blocked, you need
to price these jobs well or it is simply not worth it for peanuts.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: aaron musson on May 10, 2023, 03:53:05 pm
if the gutters are very tight in,and full, i tend to walk away from those  .  quite recently an asian fellow messaged me  wanting a gutter leak fixing turned out it was cast iron.  i wouldnt do it, explained it was sealed originally with molten lead -he wouldnt take no for an answer  so i ignored his messages  .i know my limits

is that relevant to the post ??   i wonderd if mentioning the guy from the east would flag up,red alert -see it has!  its funny to me ,last time i was on this forum yrs back  i got a lifetime ban!  that time it was mentioning the bombay crew ,not in a bad way either
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Smudger on May 10, 2023, 06:21:45 pm
Sounds like you haven't learnt anything ....

Darran
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: lee_dewing on May 10, 2023, 09:14:18 pm
Thanks chaps for your thoughts

Daz I think 🤔 you’re thinking about same price as me ?

I’ve done about 35 gutter clears
Since buying Atom in September 2020

But
Probably just  8 f/s/g cleans
and about as many Connie roof cleans
From having WFP since august 2006 🤣🤣

So bit rusty on upvc cleaning prices

It’s difficult as if you do it in a day or less
It seems a lot from customers prospective
But it’s hard work
Definitely compared to window cleaning

Haven’t said that I’ve been quoted £140
And £98

By 2 different electricians to supply and fit a led bathroom light
Less than an hour’s work 🙄😁

Obviously charge what you like but want to be fair with a good customer

Thanks again All 👍

God save the king 🤴🫡
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: AuRavelling79 on May 11, 2023, 12:13:07 am
if the gutters are very tight in,and full, i tend to walk away from those  .  quite recently an asian fellow messaged me  wanting a gutter leak fixing turned out it was cast iron.  i wouldnt do it, explained it was sealed originally with molten lead -he wouldnt take no for an answer  so i ignored his messages  .i know my limits

is that relevant to the post ??   i wonderd if mentioning the guy from the east would flag up,red alert -see it has!  its funny to me ,last time i was on this forum yrs back  i got a lifetime ban!  that time it was mentioning the bombay crew ,not in a bad way either

To those that flagged this up and reported it. Thank you.

Talk about putting your head in the lion's mouth! Bye Bye!
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Soupy on May 11, 2023, 05:44:47 am
Trigger happy.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: AuRavelling79 on May 11, 2023, 09:48:26 am
Trigger happy.

Like a Haggis voting for Burns night.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: G Griffin on May 11, 2023, 09:55:59 am
Trigger happy.

Like a Haggis voting for Burns night.
Scotophobia is a real thing.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 11, 2023, 10:00:49 am
With stuff like  connys/fsg/gutters etc I think there's 3 prices.

1. A want to do it price.

If you want to do the job then just charge your normal hourly rate let's say this is £50 per hour.

2  I don't really want to do it but I'll do it at a decent price rate. Let's say this is £100 per hour.

3. I definitely don't want to do it wild horses couldn't drag me there nor could a go on yer missus..  but if you are off your nut daft I will. £200 per hour.

I was going  to say just say no but everyone has a  price.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 11, 2023, 12:28:54 pm
With stuff like  connys/fsg/gutters etc I think there's 3 prices.

1. A want to do it price.

If you want to do the job then just charge your normal hourly rate let's say this is £50 per hour.

2  I don't really want to do it but I'll do it at a decent price rate. Let's say this is £100 per hour.

3. I definitely don't want to do it wild horses couldn't drag me there nor could a go on yer missus..  but if you are off your nut daft I will. £200 per hour.

I was going  to say just say no but everyone has a  price.

No they haven't.....I wouldn't do the job at ANY price!
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 11, 2023, 01:18:32 pm
With stuff like  connys/fsg/gutters etc I think there's 3 prices.

1. A want to do it price.

If you want to do the job then just charge your normal hourly rate let's say this is £50 per hour.

2  I don't really want to do it but I'll do it at a decent price rate. Let's say this is £100 per hour.

3. I definitely don't want to do it wild horses couldn't drag me there nor could a go on yer missus..  but if you are off your nut daft I will. £200 per hour.

I was going  to say just say no but everyone has a  price.

No they haven't.....I wouldn't do the job at ANY price!

BS mate  :D

Everyone has a price.

Maybe not in every situation.  I mean I'd like to think I wouldnt massacre children for a few million quid but clean someones fsg don't talk daft 😅
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dd on May 11, 2023, 03:41:08 pm

  Hey Lee,
  i would be charging  4 pounds a metre for clearing the Gutters,   4 pounds a metre cleaning G/F/S,
  that's 80 metres of gutters full of moss, that's a good few hours work, constantly emptying your
  Guttervac & flushing out the the carbon/poles and hose when they get heavy & blocked, you need
to price these jobs well or it is simply not worth it for peanuts.
That translates to £640
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: james peters on May 11, 2023, 08:35:42 pm
I do think some of you die hard window cleaners with a closed mind are missing a trick . I mean the ones who say no to this and that.
I have dipped my toe into soft washing, and pressure washing on a small scale , and have found it to be a nice change even a few times a month...
AND
far more lucrative than window cleaning
so .. I  look at it like this ...
window cleaning ... fantastic ... day in day out bread and butter......
add ons ....the cream
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Smudger on May 11, 2023, 08:55:18 pm
Your right

Our services cover every aspect of exterior cleaning -everything pays better than window licking - however windows does bring a safe regular income

It’s great trying new things - it’s a challenge for the old noggin

Darran
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: lal on May 11, 2023, 09:18:57 pm

  Hey Lee,
  i would be charging  4 pounds a metre for clearing the Gutters,   4 pounds a metre cleaning G/F/S,
  that's 80 metres of gutters full of moss, that's a good few hours work, constantly emptying your
  Guttervac & flushing out the the carbon/poles and hose when they get heavy & blocked, you need
to price these jobs well or it is simply not worth it for peanuts.
That translates to £640

Well done, you've past the maths test with flying colours.  ;)
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 12, 2023, 07:37:50 am
I do think some of you die hard window cleaners with a closed mind are missing a trick . I mean the ones who say no to this and that.
I have dipped my toe into soft washing, and pressure washing on a small scale , and have found it to be a nice change even a few times a month...
AND
far more lucrative than window cleaning
so .. I  look at it like this ...
window cleaning ... fantastic ... day in day out bread and butter......
add ons ....the cream

Yes and no

I've tried domestic pressure washing a few years ago. Can't get the prices round here that would make it worthwhile. Houses are small and couldnt find anyone wanting to pay 400 quid plus for a days pressure washing. But in the right area absolutely, I know a guy 20 miles from me who's flat out everyday but he lives in an affluent area almost every house is a 5 bed detached plus. Similar story when ive offered gutters people want to pay 20 quid can't get decent prices....yet they will pay me 12 quid for 8 minutes window cleaning. That's why I ended up as windows only, been there and tried loads of things.

I'm thinking that way now though windows 3 days a week and find something else to do. Even if the money isn't any better a change is welcome.

I've just been on a spray painting course and looking to get into that.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 12, 2023, 08:31:03 am
I do think some of you die hard window cleaners with a closed mind are missing a trick . I mean the ones who say no to this and that.
I have dipped my toe into soft washing, and pressure washing on a small scale , and have found it to be a nice change even a few times a month...
AND
far more lucrative than window cleaning
so .. I  look at it like this ...
window cleaning ... fantastic ... day in day out bread and butter......
add ons ....the cream

I'm not missing any trick.

I'm happy with my existing income

I don't want to work any more hours

🙂
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 12, 2023, 12:15:44 pm
I'm already earning between £50-£100 an hour window cleaning.no need for me to buy a pressure washer and all the faff that entails....

I do clean the odd f/s/g/conny roof job with existing equipment but all it does is replace the income lost from window cleaning customers who skip cleans due to building work(or whatever)throughout the year.👍
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: james peters on May 13, 2023, 05:33:31 pm
I'm already earning between £50-£100 an hour window cleaning.no need for me to buy a pressure washer and all the faff that entails....

I do clean the odd f/s/g/conny roof job with existing equipment but all it does is replace the income lost from window cleaning customers who skip cleans due to building work(or whatever)throughout the year.👍

you have the equipment for soft washing of renderd walls daz
all you need is a back pack  and pole with fan jets and some chemical... then you would have more of those  hours you enjoy  at a £100 or more  for maybe 3 or 4 hours, with one payment on completion ( no waiting for small payments ) I dont see the faff in this ?
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: james peters on May 13, 2023, 09:11:45 pm
I do think some of you die hard window cleaners with a closed mind are missing a trick . I mean the ones who say no to this and that.
I have dipped my toe into soft washing, and pressure washing on a small scale , and have found it to be a nice change even a few times a month...
AND
far more lucrative than window cleaning
so .. I  look at it like this ...
window cleaning ... fantastic ... day in day out bread and butter......
add ons ....the cream

I'm not missing any trick.

I'm happy with my existing income

I don't want to work any more hours

🙂

during covid nonsense ... we had our garden landscaped ... so about 70 square meters  of patio ... so i bought a pressure washer , ...
an electric one ... sthil , one of the top of the range ... I needed it for our patio and drive which is also about 50 square meters

forward on. a customer asked if i could do her drive and patio.  I was up to date with windows so I agreed a price and did it on a day that didnt affect my normal work.  knowing I only had a domestic machine , I did a pre hypo wash , and a after hypo treatment... the results were amazing. ....
from that first jobs profits I bought a petrol washer.... looking forward to the future .
my better half works most saturdays  as a dialisis nurse on a renal unit. so I plan to use these saturday mornings pressure washing .
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 13, 2023, 09:27:44 pm
I'm already earning between £50-£100 an hour window cleaning.no need for me to buy a pressure washer and all the faff that entails....

I do clean the odd f/s/g/conny roof job with existing equipment but all it does is replace the income lost from window cleaning customers who skip cleans due to building work(or whatever)throughout the year.👍

you have the equipment for soft washing of renderd walls daz
all you need is a back pack  and pole with fan jets and some chemical... then you would have more of those  hours you enjoy  at a £100 or more  for maybe 3 or 4 hours, with one payment on completion ( no waiting for small payments ) I dont see the faff in this ?

It’s more of a faff though James if you have good window stuff turning up and cleaning a few windows is a lot easier than soft washing,and have people got softwashing jobs at the 100 an hour mark almost everyday of the week coz I know plenty that have that on the windows,just a thought.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 14, 2023, 12:04:28 am
Is there anyone you don't know Nwh  :D
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Smudger on May 14, 2023, 12:12:24 am
only their supervisors...


who earn 50 bags a year LoL

Darran
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: james peters on May 14, 2023, 08:38:12 am
I'm already earning between £50-£100 an hour window cleaning.no need for me to buy a pressure washer and all the faff that entails....

I do clean the odd f/s/g/conny roof job with existing equipment but all it does is replace the income lost from window cleaning customers who skip cleans due to building work(or whatever)throughout the year.👍

you have the equipment for soft washing of renderd walls daz
all you need is a back pack  and pole with fan jets and some chemical... then you would have more of those  hours you enjoy  at a £100 or more  for maybe 3 or 4 hours, with one payment on completion ( no waiting for small payments ) I dont see the faff in this ?

It’s more of a faff though James if you have good window stuff turning up and cleaning a few windows is a lot easier than soft washing,and have people got softwashing jobs at the 100 an hour mark almost everyday of the week coz I know plenty that have that on the windows,just a thought.

yes NWH... If you read my posts properly , you will understand better.
I have lots of windows to clean.... but when I get a gap in my schedule I like to do a softwash or a pressure wash.
Its a nice change and a nice top up.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: james peters on May 14, 2023, 09:06:30 am
At the moment my son works with me so I tend to be up to date with windows . so these add ons  fill the gaps ... when he goes to uni in september I will struggle to keep on top of things , although my daughters may help part time .
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: robbo333 on May 14, 2023, 02:44:58 pm
Why not just treat it as a very lazy day's work and go in with a day rate.
You've got to clean the windows anyway, so add a few little bits like the garage door and some bits of cladding or whatever.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 14, 2023, 07:09:03 pm
Im going to experiment with a "monster monday" tomorrow

470 quid of regular cleans (32 houses) plus a con roof and a fsg booked in. The fsg and con roof i dont normally do but i promised them ages ago when i had last guy working for me so now im reaping the rewards of taking on jobs i dont want to do anymore  ::)roll

Idea is if i can rattle off 500 quid of work i`ll be done by wednesday. 3 days a week is my aim from now on.

Bet i change my mind and come home early and dont get it all done though  :D it sounds a good idea sat on my sofa.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 14, 2023, 07:30:34 pm
⬆️ easily done with the right work but that won’t seem easy if your averaging 90 odd houses a week if they are small or medium sized properties.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: KS Cleaning on May 14, 2023, 09:58:23 pm
⬆️ easily done with the right work but that won’t seem easy if your averaging 90 odd houses a week if they are small or medium sized properties.
I disagree, that is easily done if they are small or medium houses and relatively compact……unless of course you have to justify high prices by over cleaning each house!
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 14, 2023, 10:36:35 pm
Im going to experiment with a "monster monday" tomorrow

470 quid of regular cleans (32 houses) plus a con roof and a fsg booked in. The fsg and con roof i dont normally do but i promised them ages ago when i had last guy working for me so now im reaping the rewards of taking on jobs i dont want to do anymore  ::)roll

Idea is if i can rattle off 500 quid of work i`ll be done by wednesday. 3 days a week is my aim from now on.

Bet i change my mind and come home early and dont get it all done though  :D it sounds a good idea sat on my sofa.

Rather you than me Adam....

Why would you want to bust a gut tomorrow,tuesday and wed?

I'd prefer to work 4 shorter days than try to squeeze that work into 3 days.ive got the gym tomorrow evening,I go and see my dear old mum on tuesday evening and off to girlfriends on Wed evening for the city champions league match.

Trying to squeeze all that work in will just result in risking RSI and being very tired in the evenings and getting fed up with the job...its just not worth it IMO.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: alank on May 15, 2023, 11:20:35 am
I've tried cramming four days work into three days before.
Total different ball game more aches and pains and the stress of working flat out not for me.
I subbed out a little bit more and am now back to four manageable mornings and three days off ;D
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 15, 2023, 12:04:28 pm
⬆️ easily done with the right work but that won’t seem easy if your averaging 90 odd houses a week if they are small or medium sized properties.
I disagree, that is easily done if they are small or medium houses and relatively compact……unless of course you have to justify high prices by over cleaning each house!

Definitely easier done with small houses,

I can be flying along then it only takes one big awkward one to knock the stuffing out of me and put me off my flow.

Today I have a mix, worst jobs still to do and they are big ones.

It's getting a bit warm as well  :-\
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 15, 2023, 04:33:16 pm
I worked 9am-3pm with 30 mins for lunch.(12 jobs cleaned)

£325...that's plenty for me.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 15, 2023, 04:37:46 pm
I worked 8 till 3:45 then I gave up knackered didn't manage to finish everything I booked in. 27 jobs plus a conny roof done. Sacked the fsg off I had nothing  left  :D

I did set a new PB of £457  ;D but it didn't seem worth it couldn't do that everyday.

I think that record might stand a while
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 15, 2023, 06:12:35 pm
I worked 8 till 3:45 then I gave up knackered didn't manage to finish everything I booked in. 27 jobs plus a conny roof done. Sacked the fsg off I had nothing  left  :D

I did set a new PB of £457  ;D but it didn't seem worth it couldn't do that everyday.

I think that record might stand a while

It's my every day life that is important to me these days...if I'd of worked 8 hours today I would probably sack off the gym tonight as I would be too tired from the days work.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: deeege on May 15, 2023, 08:14:17 pm
I worked 8 till 3:45 then I gave up knackered didn't manage to finish everything I booked in. 27 jobs plus a conny roof done. Sacked the fsg off I had nothing  left  :D

I did set a new PB of £457  ;D but it didn't seem worth it couldn't do that everyday.

I think that record might stand a while

It's my every day life that is important to me these days...if I'd of worked 8 hours today I would probably sack off the gym tonight as I would be too tired from the days work.

If you are too tired to go the Gym after a standard 8 hour day you may have other issues Daz. That’s definitely not normal.

I’ve worked 8-4:30 today and been for a 6 mile run after work. A good chunk of this afternoons work was 4 stories too.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 15, 2023, 09:26:50 pm
I worked 8 till 3:45 then I gave up knackered didn't manage to finish everything I booked in. 27 jobs plus a conny roof done. Sacked the fsg off I had nothing  left  :D

I did set a new PB of £457  ;D but it didn't seem worth it couldn't do that everyday.

I think that record might stand a while

It's my every day life that is important to me these days...if I'd of worked 8 hours today I would probably sack off the gym tonight as I would be too tired from the days work.

If you are too tired to go the Gym after a standard 8 hour day you may have other issues Daz. That’s definitely not normal.

I’ve worked 8-4:30 today and been for a 6 mile run after work. A good chunk of this afternoons work was 4 stories too.

Are them kind of hours normal for you ?

Today was the most mind numbing hard day I've had for years  :D .

I guess it's difficult to gauge I mean you can work hard for 8 hours or work easy for 8 hours....one person's hard may be another's steady so who knows who's worked harder whether 6 or 8 hours.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: windowswashed on May 15, 2023, 09:35:00 pm
Mustn't let work overtake your life. It will ruin your health and your personal life,....... nothing is worth it. Stay balanced,  work is simply a means to pay the bills and live a life before you are too old and too tired to be able do all the things you had planned.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Bungle on May 15, 2023, 10:23:20 pm
 
I worked 9am-3pm with 30 mins for lunch.(12 jobs cleaned)

£325...that's plenty for me.

Beans on toast? Think how many tins of beans you could buy with 325 bags  :D
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: DJW on May 15, 2023, 10:32:29 pm
Dazmond, if you can’t manage a full day:

How old are you mate?
What's your diet like?
Do you drink alcohol excessively?
Do you smoke?
How's your sleep?
What exercise do you do?(cardio/weights,etc)

Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: deeege on May 16, 2023, 06:31:21 am
I worked 8 till 3:45 then I gave up knackered didn't manage to finish everything I booked in. 27 jobs plus a conny roof done. Sacked the fsg off I had nothing  left  :D

I did set a new PB of £457  ;D but it didn't seem worth it couldn't do that everyday.

I think that record might stand a while

It's my every day life that is important to me these days...if I'd of worked 8 hours today I would probably sack off the gym tonight as I would be too tired from the days work.

If you are too tired to go the Gym after a standard 8 hour day you may have other issues Daz. That’s definitely not normal.

I’ve worked 8-4:30 today and been for a 6 mile run after work. A good chunk of this afternoons work was 4 stories too.

Are them kind of hours normal for you ?

Today was the most mind numbing hard day I've had for years  :D .

I guess it's difficult to gauge I mean you can work hard for 8 hours or work easy for 8 hours....one person's hard may be another's steady so who knows who's worked harder whether 6 or 8 hours.

I work between 6-8 hours a day, 5 days per week. I work hard enough to earn good money but not like the 30-40 houses a day like you do.

Typical day will be either 15 stand alone houses if on domestics or a single office unit if on commercial. I love the commercials that are £300+ days and can take my time on them, this is my cream work.

At the age of 42 working 6-8 hours a day then doing some type of physical exercise in the evening shouldn’t be an issue unless you are seriously overweight or physically unfit.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: zesty on May 16, 2023, 06:44:36 am
6 hours on the glass,

Then home to continue house renovations, two young kids, life is busy.

Couldn’t work 8 hours a day, I’d get far too bored. Love coming home and having time on the house and seeing kids.

That’s pretty good going Deegee.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: deeege on May 16, 2023, 07:27:09 am
6 hours on the glass,

Then home to continue house renovations, two young kids, life is busy.

Couldn’t work 8 hours a day, I’d get far too bored. Love coming home and having time on the house and seeing kids.

That’s pretty good going Deegee.

Been there done that with young family and house renovations, it was a seriously difficult time. My kids are a bit older now, 8 and 14, life is still busy with coaching football etc but it’s not as stressful as when the kids were young.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 16, 2023, 07:30:15 am
6 hours on the glass,

Then home to continue house renovations, two young kids, life is busy.

Couldn’t work 8 hours a day, I’d get far too bored. Love coming home and having time on the house and seeing kids.

That’s pretty good going Deegee.

I'm the same really always got a d.i.y project going on  since I moved in a year or so ago....currently digging up the back lawn to re turf. Got a never ending list of things to do after that, 5 kids and a few hobbies I never stop.

I love working on the house to be fair I can't wait to get home some days to crack on. Window cleaning is just a job to me that gets in the way, an incovenience to the things i really want to be doing...D.i.y is a hobby for me, really enjoy it.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: deeege on May 16, 2023, 07:50:30 am
6 hours on the glass,

Then home to continue house renovations, two young kids, life is busy.

Couldn’t work 8 hours a day, I’d get far too bored. Love coming home and having time on the house and seeing kids.

That’s pretty good going Deegee.

I'm the same really always got a d.i.y project going on  since I moved in a year or so ago....currently digging up the back lawn to re turf. Got a never ending list of things to do after that, 5 kids and a few hobbies I never stop.

5……..kids  :o
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 16, 2023, 07:51:33 am
I worked 8 till 3:45 then I gave up knackered didn't manage to finish everything I booked in. 27 jobs plus a conny roof done. Sacked the fsg off I had nothing  left  :D

I did set a new PB of £457  ;D but it didn't seem worth it couldn't do that everyday.

I think that record might stand a while

It's my every day life that is important to me these days...if I'd of worked 8 hours today I would probably sack off the gym tonight as I would be too tired from the days work.

If you are too tired to go the Gym after a standard 8 hour day you may have other issues Daz. That’s definitely not normal.

I’ve worked 8-4:30 today and been for a 6 mile run after work. A good chunk of this afternoons work was 4 stories too.

We re all different, there is no 'normal'...I'm also 10 years older than you.i get bored after 5 or 6 hours cleaning too.

Maybe i should re phrase that...I have more energy for the gym if I work shorter hours.... ;D

I've never worked 8 hours in a day for many years and I'm not gonna start again now!
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 16, 2023, 07:53:33 am
6 hours on the glass,

Then home to continue house renovations, two young kids, life is busy.

Couldn’t work 8 hours a day, I’d get far too bored. Love coming home and having time on the house and seeing kids.

That’s pretty good going Deegee.

I'm the same really always got a d.i.y project going on  since I moved in a year or so ago....currently digging up the back lawn to re turf. Got a never ending list of things to do after that, 5 kids and a few hobbies I never stop.

5……..kids  :o

Yes. 3 don't live with me but still cost me £ and weekends are pretty much taken over with kids  ;D

5 birthdays a year plus Christmas etc it feels like my hand is constantly in my wallet  :D

This is part of the reason I hate working 5 days a week I need a day off to do something for myself
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 16, 2023, 08:18:05 am
I tend to use a weak hypo solution  these days,  cuts down the amount of scrubbing.
also as its a bungalow, I would rinse off with a gentle pressure wash.
I normally book jobs like this in on a saturday morning.

how long it will take  X  wanted hourly rate  + small allowance for unforseen ball ache  =   price

I cleaned a small bungalow the other day...

F/s/g £50
Windows £20

Took me 50 mins and I just used WFP (🔥 hot pure water).

No chemicals
No pressure washer

Very easy job!😄
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Smudger on May 16, 2023, 11:03:18 am
I tend to use a weak hypo solution  these days,  cuts down the amount of scrubbing.
also as its a bungalow, I would rinse off with a gentle pressure wash.
I normally book jobs like this in on a saturday morning.

how long it will take  X  wanted hourly rate  + small allowance for unforseen ball ache  =   price

I cleaned a small bungalow the other day...

F/s/g £50
Windows £20

Took me 50 mins and I just used WFP (🔥 hot pure water).

No chemicals
No pressure washer

Very easy job!😄

bit of a crappy price then Daz - barely made your window cleaning rate

Darran
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 16, 2023, 12:07:32 pm
That’s the thing Daz when you don’t have any kind of minimum price in your head,£12.50 a side m8 was it a favour forget how long it took that’s irrelevant.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 16, 2023, 03:01:37 pm
I turned up at an fsg job today i had quoted 70 quid for .

Got my gear out had a look round it and it should have been double at least.

Chucked gear back in an went  :D

No wonder I had already failed to turn up to do it twice. Think that customer has gone haha

I think daz was right no fsg at any price !
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Bungle on May 16, 2023, 03:55:03 pm
I turned up at an fsg job today i had quoted 70 quid for .

Got my gear out had a look round it and it should have been double at least.

Chucked gear back in an went  :D

No wonder I had already failed to turn up to do it twice. Think that customer has gone haha

I think daz was right no fsg at any price !

From what you write on here you seem to run a business in a weird way mate. What's your reputation like in your area?
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 16, 2023, 04:02:03 pm
I tend to use a weak hypo solution  these days,  cuts down the amount of scrubbing.
also as its a bungalow, I would rinse off with a gentle pressure wash.
I normally book jobs like this in on a saturday morning.

how long it will take  X  wanted hourly rate  + small allowance for unforseen ball ache  =   price

I cleaned a small bungalow the other day...

F/s/g £50
Windows £20

Took me 50 mins and I just used WFP (🔥 hot pure water).

No chemicals
No pressure washer

Very easy job!😄

bit of a crappy price then Daz - barely made your window cleaning rate

Darran

It's a long standing elderly customer and an easy job...

I still made £70 for less than an hours work

I can charge what I like.... ;D
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 16, 2023, 04:59:18 pm
I turned up at an fsg job today i had quoted 70 quid for .

Got my gear out had a look round it and it should have been double at least.

Chucked gear back in an went  :D

No wonder I had already failed to turn up to do it twice. Think that customer has gone haha

I think daz was right no fsg at any price !

From what you write on here you seem to run a business in a weird way mate. What's your reputation like in your area?

My problem is i cant say no so agree to all sorts, take on too much and then end up letting people down.

But yes im a weird guy, im well aware im not right in the head but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 16, 2023, 05:00:34 pm
I turned up at an fsg job today i had quoted 70 quid for .

Got my gear out had a look round it and it should have been double at least.

Chucked gear back in an went  :D

No wonder I had already failed to turn up to do it twice. Think that customer has gone haha

I think daz was right no fsg at any price !

I can’t think of any facia etc job most people would charge 70 quid for.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 16, 2023, 05:05:07 pm
I turned up at an fsg job today i had quoted 70 quid for .

Got my gear out had a look round it and it should have been double at least.

Chucked gear back in an went  :D

No wonder I had already failed to turn up to do it twice. Think that customer has gone haha

I think daz was right no fsg at any price !

I can’t think of any facia etc job most people would charge 70 quid for.

Last time i did it was a few years ago and thats what i charged so when she asked again i just went off that.

I forgot since then shes had a big conny built and also last time i had someone helping me so was twice as quick on top of the fact my prices have gone up considerably since then. I think when i did it last time i must have been on the 30 quid an hour target. When she asked last month i didnt mind as had an employee so was just an extra job and had the spare time....

Its a 4 bed detached with a conny just really didnt fancy it 2 or 3 hours backbreaking work for 70 quid lol
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 16, 2023, 05:18:00 pm
I know it’s tough if you’ve known them for years but if the subjects ever come up in the past I’ve usually said I pass those jobs on or it won’t be anywhere near  like the price for the windows.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 16, 2023, 07:06:00 pm
I turned up at an fsg job today i had quoted 70 quid for .

Got my gear out had a look round it and it should have been double at least.

Chucked gear back in an went  :D

No wonder I had already failed to turn up to do it twice. Think that customer has gone haha

I think daz was right no fsg at any price !

From what you write on here you seem to run a business in a weird way mate. What's your reputation like in your area?

My problem is i cant say no so agree to all sorts, take on too much and then end up letting people down.

But yes im a weird guy, im well aware im not right in the head but it is what it is.

I'm the opposite.i only take on work I want to do and at a price I'm happy with.

I also never let a customer down once I've agreed to a job.

Reputation is very important to me.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 17, 2023, 05:45:31 pm
That’s the thing Daz when you don’t have any kind of minimum price in your head,£12.50 a side m8 was it a favour forget how long it took that’s irrelevant.

It's an old dear...she's in her late 80s now...been cleaning her windows at least 20 years

Time taken is relevant.of course it is! ::)roll

I knew it would take around an hour and it ended up taking a bit less..cash on completion of the job.

I'm happy with £70.

No need to be greedy.... ;)
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Bungle on May 17, 2023, 07:08:14 pm
That’s the thing Daz when you don’t have any kind of minimum price in your head,£12.50 a side m8 was it a favour forget how long it took that’s irrelevant.

It's an old dear...she's in her late 80s now...been cleaning her windows at least 20 years

Time taken is relevant.of course it is! ::)roll

I knew it would take around an hour and it ended up taking a bit less..cash on completion of the job.

I'm happy with £70.

No need to be greedy.... ;)

Old dear in her 80's you've known over 20 years and you charged her £70 for an hours work!? I think you should send half of it back in a card apologising for being so greedy.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 17, 2023, 07:57:11 pm
In her late 80s known for years eh sorry that would have been a freebie from me Daz.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 18, 2023, 08:39:12 am
In her late 80s known for years eh sorry that would have been a freebie from me Daz.

I don't do any jobs for free unless it's for family and friends(and sometimes the odd neighbour)....
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: DJW on May 18, 2023, 12:53:48 pm
Never clean odd neighbours for free, maybe one or two normal ones.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: DJW on May 18, 2023, 12:55:44 pm
How would you feel Daz if someone cut your Mums’ lawn and charged her £70 for fifty minutes?
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 18, 2023, 03:19:24 pm
How would you feel Daz if someone cut your Mums’ lawn and charged her £70 for fifty minutes?

It wouldn't happen as I do my mums garden now (my dad's passed away) as well as odd jobs and of course clean her windows.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: dazmond on May 18, 2023, 03:22:03 pm
In her late 80s known for years eh sorry that would have been a freebie from me Daz.

What's the age of one of my customers got to do with charging a price for an add on job?

I'm running a business not a charity(and she was happy to pay me the agreed price).
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: Stoots on May 18, 2023, 04:40:44 pm
Price is the price isn't it who cares how old they are.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: robbo333 on May 18, 2023, 06:54:37 pm
Hang on...one minute Daz is too cheap at £12.50 a side...
next minute...he's ripping her off because she's 80 years old!

Sort your lives out!   ;D

Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: NWH on May 18, 2023, 07:09:26 pm
Yeah but if I’d known the woman for 20 years and she was 80 odd I don’t think I could face her family if she had any,other jobs with home owners that aren’t in wheelchair’s and on Oxygen get a proper price.
Title: Re: Pricing advice f/s/g
Post by: G Griffin on May 18, 2023, 10:42:07 pm
Yeah but if I’d known the woman for 20 years and she was 80 odd I don’t think I could face her family if she had any
It happened to me once. I got a right bollocking of the old dear's dad.