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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jay moley on April 28, 2023, 05:27:24 pm
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I need a new van due to ULEZ.
I have a Ford Transit currently and was thinking of getting a Transit Custom but been told bad things by four people.
What are the other options?
Needs to be able to carry an 800 litre tank.
Also is there a year of manufacture that means a van is ULEZ compliant?
Cheers
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Anything Euro 6 I think.
https://www.whatcar.com/advice/owning/ulez-compliant-vans-everything-you-need-to-know/n25325
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I need a new van due to ULEZ.
I have a Ford Transit currently and was thinking of getting a Transit Custom but been told bad things by four people.
What are the other options?
Needs to be able to carry an 800 litre tank.
Also is there a year of manufacture that means a van is ULEZ compliant?
Cheers
IMO the Custom is the best van out there. I’ve had two and both have been great vans. There was an issue on 19 plate vans because of a batch of dodgy injectors and I have heard of some issues with the wet belt. To carry an 800 litre tank you would probably need a minimum of a 320, but they will be like hens teeth as the most popular models ordered were280,290,300 and 310.
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Funny thing is I had a Mechanic come to the house replace the condenser pipe and re gas the air con,he was telling me the Custom has been voted the worst most unreliable van on the market.
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Funny thing is I had a Mechanic come to the house replace the condenser pipe and re gas the air con,he was telling me the Custom has been voted the worst most unreliable van on the market.
Thought you would be along soon😂😂
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No genuine he was talking about all the vans that have a wet belt etc all being 💩 the Custom apparently is one of em,he said it was an organisation that review vans bit like “Which”.
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VW’s suffer from air con problems apparently.
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
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I have a custom had it since new.Other than injectors which were due to a faulty batch and replaced under warranty I’ve had no problems,
Its been a great van.
As for cheap interior the limited comes with heated seats,heated screen ,Ac,Apple car play and is a comfortable van.You need to spend decent money to get the VW equivalent.
I had one of Grippa tanks LWB Vivaros for a week I thought it was an awful van compared to the custom.
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No genuine he was talking about all the vans that have a wet belt etc all being 💩 the Custom apparently is one of em,he said it was an organisation that review vans bit like “Which”.
The only 💩 - is your posts Nigel
You never have any real experience to add to any thread - its always hearsay from your imaginary mate
Darran
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I bought my 2015 swb Vivaro with 32k 6 years ago it's now on 80k, apart from.wear and tear tyres,pads, discs etc it's been a great van never let me down..I fully intend on keeping it another 5 years then i will probably buy a new van.
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The only transit custom with a wet belt will be the hybrid, and it’s a crap setup.
The diesel customs are great, and by far the best and most reliable engine is the older 2.2, the one I’ve got. No Add Blue nonsense, and absolutely bullet proof.
All in all they are good vans, just not the stupid hybrid. It has the eco boost 3 cylinder engine (wet belt) which is there only to charge the battery’s . It’s an awful system, a stupid design and only there to please the tree huggers.
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No genuine he was talking about all the vans that have a wet belt etc all being 💩 the Custom apparently is one of em,he said it was an organisation that review vans bit like “Which”.
The only 💩 - is your posts Nigel
You never have any real experience to add to any thread - its always hearsay from your imaginary mate
Darran
He said it comes with a huge blanket of tarpaulin to hide a 1000ltr tank that used to have orange juice in it or polish 🤣🤣
Nigel.
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The only transit custom with a wet belt will be the hybrid, and it’s a crap setup.
The diesel customs are great, and by far the best and most reliable engine is the older 2.2, the one I’ve got. No Add Blue nonsense, and absolutely bullet proof.
All in all they are good vans, just not the stupid hybrid. It has the eco boost 3 cylinder engine (wet belt) which is there only to charge the battery’s . It’s an awful system, a stupid design and only there to please the tree huggers.
All the new transits and rangers have wet belts, 2.0 engine. They suffer from prematurely breaking, or the belts wear over time and the oil coolers get blocked up and cause oil starvation. A friend of mine has had the belt snap on his custom twice.
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Yeah there was absolutely no point in me saying the above the guy told me the same it’s not just one model of them,they have a multitude of problems with them the guy used to work on them.
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Vauxhall Vivaro?
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I bought Vw transporter 5 years ago new and have to say ended up spending money every year after warranty ended and some before as warranty doesnt really seem to be worth paper its written on. Vw not as good as used to be imo. Had a caddy before that also from new and was brilliant. Transporter always starts etc, is good on the road and solid etc but went through a phase of bits going all the time. That said I'm on a good run for the last year with it !
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The only transit custom with a wet belt will be the hybrid, and it’s a crap setup.
The diesel customs are great, and by far the best and most reliable engine is the older 2.2, the one I’ve got. No Add Blue nonsense, and absolutely bullet proof.
All in all they are good vans, just not the stupid hybrid. It has the eco boost 3 cylinder engine (wet belt) which is there only to charge the battery’s . It’s an awful system, a stupid design and only there to please the tree huggers.
Oh yes the ad blu is another thing that's very gammy in the transporters . I take back what I said about a good run for a year the ad blu is an ongoing pain
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I bought Vw transporter 5 years ago new and have to say ended up spending money every year after warranty ended and some before as warranty doesnt really seem to be worth paper its written on. Vw not as good as used to be imo. Had a caddy before that also from new and was brilliant. Transporter always starts etc, is good on the road and solid etc but went through a phase of bits going all the time. That said I'm on a good run for the last year with it !
Transporters after about 2014 I think is a different van altogether nothing like the PD 2.5 I have,they reckon the 2.0ltr ones are poope.
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
If it's for an 800 litre tank, he's going to need a bigger boat.
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The only transit custom with a wet belt will be the hybrid, and it’s a crap setup.
The diesel customs are great, and by far the best and most reliable engine is the older 2.2, the one I’ve got. No Add Blue nonsense, and absolutely bullet proof.
All in all they are good vans, just not the stupid hybrid. It has the eco boost 3 cylinder engine (wet belt) which is there only to charge the battery’s . It’s an awful system, a stupid design and only there to please the tree huggers.
The 2.2 is a Euro 5.5 though so not ULEZ compliant. The 2.0 Euro 6 diesel has a wet belt.
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No genuine he was talking about all the vans that have a wet belt etc all being 💩 the Custom apparently is one of em,he said it was an organisation that review vans bit like “Which”.
Do yourself a favour Nigel, look across a large spectrum of reviews and you will see that the Custom comes out favourably in terms of reliability.
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
When I was waiting on my Custom Sport being delivered I had to hire vans for a few weeks, I was unfortunate enough to have a VW transporter for one of those weeks. Overpriced junk, very underwhelming, it was like having a cardboard box sitting on the drive😉
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I like my van, citroen relay L2 H2
1575 payload is pretty huge
although having said that its a bit of a pain to park sometimes if you dont need the space i would go for a slightly older L1 H1 version if you can find one they are still 1400 payload but they dont make them anymore.
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What payload would I need for an 800 litre tank?
Thanks
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What payload would I need for an 800 litre tank?
Thanks
Minimum 1000kg probably more.
I use 1000kg for 650
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I bought myself a brand new Custom 340 Limited LWB Limited 2.0 170ps in Chrome Blue with an automatic gearbox , pulls like a train and has been faultless since I've owned it.
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Picked it up this morning 🤣🤣
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What payload would I need for an 800 litre tank?
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Minimum 1200kg
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Depends doesn't it 800l water plus a tank n frame could be 900kg loaded.
2 average blokes and some leccy reels and you are knocking on 1100kg. Then fuel and whatever else you carry.
As above minimum 1200kg i say but ideally more depending.
Always better to have too much payload
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It’s how it drives with the weight as I’ve said before the payload doesn’t always tell the story,I had a Custom with a 400ltr tank you would have thought I was an arms dealer the way it handled so badly.
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It’s how it drives with the weight as I’ve said before the payload doesn’t always tell the story,I had a Custom with a 400ltr tank you would have thought I was an arms dealer the way it handled so badly.
You do talk some rubbish, my first custom had a 650ltr tank, I now have a 500 litre tank in my latest custom and the handling was/is spot on.
Maybe you should have put air in the tyres instead of blowing it out your a***
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Citroen dispatch 2.0hdi could be worth a look think it has 1400kg payload.
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I've had 2015 Custom for the last 5 years or so, very good van, no issues at all.
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The only transit custom with a wet belt will be the hybrid, and it’s a crap setup.
The diesel customs are great, and by far the best and most reliable engine is the older 2.2, the one I’ve got. No Add Blue nonsense, and absolutely bullet proof.
All in all they are good vans, just not the stupid hybrid. It has the eco boost 3 cylinder engine (wet belt) which is there only to charge the battery’s . It’s an awful system, a stupid design and only there to please the tree huggers.
All the new transits and rangers have wet belts, 2.0 engine. They suffer from prematurely breaking, or the belts wear over time and the oil coolers get blocked up and cause oil starvation. A friend of mine has had the belt snap on his custom twice.
That’s a pile of crap then , avoid.
We had the belt go on our family car , Peugeot 3008 gt line. Wet belt crap.
Peugeot paid full cost of repairs though. Had an outstanding recall.
It’s a big issue and most manufacturers are now coming away from it back to chains.
I had no idea the Ford diesel engines were wet belts, I was only aware of the eco boost engines.
We had the belt swell and then chafe which destroyed the brake booster pump whislt the wife was driving it! Rubber floats round the whole engine in the oil.
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Nothings changed with ford vans always been either rust buckets or unreliable,I’ll stick with the Germans with vans and my car
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It’s how it drives with the weight as I’ve said before the payload doesn’t always tell the story,I had a Custom with a 400ltr tank you would have thought I was an arms dealer the way it handled so badly.
I’ve got a renault traffic, and a transit custom.
The custom has a 500 litre tank in the back, and you wouldn’t know it’s there.
I love the custom to be fair.
It’s the “trail” spec, so pretty nice inside too. Heated leather seats, heated front windscreen, Apple car play, sat nav. mechanical slip dif so off-road or in snow it’s great.
Only reason I haven’t upgraded to renault to the custom is the price tag. £40k easily for a new custom trail. It’s madness, but sadly I don’t think it’s going to change much.
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Get the customs with wet belts serviced regularly with the official oil and they are fine. There is a reason why they are the most popular van on the road.
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Nothings changed with ford vans always been either rust buckets or unreliable,I’ll stick with the Germans with vans and my car
Absolute rubbish.ford make great vans...
I've had mine for 6 years now.only changed the 2 front tyres and had it serviced every year.
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Ford = Fixed or Repaired Daily , there are always good and bad vehicles with all manufacturers but a friend of mine bought a custom the all singing all dancing combi paid over 50k for it , it’s ok but certainly nothing special vans by other manufacturers have exactly the same kit on them except the leather for 15+ K cheaper and are more reliable. I had one for a test drive for 24 hours found it very noisy, choppy ride Evan with a bit of weight in the back , seat squabs to short not supporting your thighs , was very disappointed with it , ended up buying a MAN TGE and a Toyota pro ace both were far superior to the custom and considerably cheaper with all the same kit except leather , and the Toyota comes with a 10 year warranty.
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Ford = Fixed or Repaired Daily , there are always good and bad vehicles with all manufacturers but a friend of mine bought a custom the all singing all dancing combi paid over 50k for it , it’s ok but certainly nothing special vans by other manufacturers have exactly the same kit on them except the leather for 15+ K cheaper and are more reliable. I had one for a test drive for 24 hours found it very noisy, choppy ride Evan with a bit of weight in the back , seat squabs to short not supporting your thighs , was very disappointed with it , ended up buying a MAN TGE and a Toyota pro ace both were far superior to the custom and considerably cheaper with all the same kit except leather , and the Toyota comes with a 10 year warranty.
The 2.2 bulletproof euro 5.5 engine can be considered noisy, but at the end of the day it’s a van and noise decibels would be way down on my list of priorities. I would also disagree that the 2.0 euro 6 engine is noisy. Brave man to say that the Toyota pro ace ( rebadged Vivaro/ Trafic/ Primastar ) is a far superior van to the Custom……but I suppose it’s all about opinions. Also there isn’t a 15+k difference on like for like models, when you mention leather that would be a Custom Sport model, the Limited and Trend are considerably cheaper. Then take into account the residuals…..there is a reason why the Custom is the most popular van out there😉
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There’s a reason why Aldi is getting busier and busier these days also m8 lol,why do you get Kier and other big firms buying them in bulk.
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Nothings changed with ford vans always been either rust buckets or unreliable,I’ll stick with the Germans with vans and my car
Not true, my transit custom is a 63 plate with no rust, never had a problem in 125,000 miles, not one single issue other than the usual maintenance.
I wouldn’t want a wet belt though, if I did I’d have the belt changed every 3-4 years, not worth the risk.
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
If it's for an 800 litre tank, he's going to need a bigger boat.
If he's going back to working on his own, why does Jay Moley need an 800 litre tank?
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There’s a reason why Aldi is getting busier and busier these days also m8 lol,why do you get Kier and other big firms buying them in bulk.
As per usual I can’t see any connection in the example you’ve given, it makes no sense whatsoever. Aldi is known as a lower budget chain of supermarkets, Transit Custom certainly can’t be described as low budget.
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
If it's for an 800 litre tank, he's going to need a bigger boat.
If he's going back to working on his own, why does Jay Moley need an 800 litre tank?
If he's going back to working on his own, why does Jay Moley need an 800 litre tank?
You have a point. Was on my own this week as my lad was sick for 3 days and only did about 500 litres. Maybe a 600 is the way to go just to be safe on first clean days.
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There’s a reason why Aldi is getting busier and busier these days also m8 lol,why do you get Kier and other big firms buying them in bulk.
As per usual I can’t see any connection in the example you’ve given, it makes no sense whatsoever. Aldi is known as a lower budget chain of supermarkets, Transit Custom certainly can’t be described as low budget.
There is never a connection to anything Nigel posts - I think he maybe on some meds of some sort..
Anyway - an apple is an apple might cost you 69p in Aldi and 1.45 in M&S - but its still an apple
Darran
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Yeah and a car is a car but a Dacia is not an Audi and a Ford is not a BMW is it,you won’t ever get away from it in this life no matter how you try and convince yourself because you tell yourself something does the same job,you get what you pay for.
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When a couple of experienced mechanics tell you don’t buy the new Transporter and certainly don’t buy a Custom because they are 💩 you would be stupid not to listen,buying a decent van is not as easy as it used to be cheap and almost fake leather and stripes down the bonnet don’t sell it to me lol,I like the way the stripes on the back door of the Custom sport Makes it look like a normal internal house door 🤣🤣
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Ford = Fixed or Repaired Daily , there are always good and bad vehicles with all manufacturers but a friend of mine bought a custom the all singing all dancing combi paid over 50k for it , it’s ok but certainly nothing special vans by other manufacturers have exactly the same kit on them except the leather for 15+ K cheaper and are more reliable. I had one for a test drive for 24 hours found it very noisy, choppy ride Evan with a bit of weight in the back , seat squabs to short not supporting your thighs , was very disappointed with it , ended up buying a MAN TGE and a Toyota pro ace both were far superior to the custom and considerably cheaper with all the same kit except leather , and the Toyota comes with a 10 year warranty.
The 2.2 bulletproof euro 5.5 engine can be considered noisy, but at the end of the day it’s a van and noise decibels would be way down on my list of priorities. I would also disagree that the 2.0 euro 6 engine is noisy. Brave man to say that the Toyota pro ace ( rebadged Vivaro/ Trafic/ Primastar ) is a far superior van to the Custom……but I suppose it’s all about opinions. Also there isn’t a 15+k difference on like for like models, when you mention leather that would be a Custom Sport model, the Limited and Trend are considerably cheaper. Then take into account the residuals…..there is a reason why the Custom is the most popular van out there😉
The difference in price between my MAN TGE and the custom is more than 15k difference and the MAN has everything the the custom does except leather .
The pro ace is a very good van and far quieter and far more economical than the custom , the custom is typical ford with the boy racer looks and image , big wheels and low profile tyres are of for looks but not practical for our work carrying weight ,each to there own ime not saying they are a bad van but feel for a work vehicle there are far better and cheaper options out there .
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
If it's for an 800 litre tank, he's going to need a bigger boat.
If he's going back to working on his own, why does Jay Moley need an 800 litre tank?
If he's going back to working on his own, why does Jay Moley need an 800 litre tank?
You have a point. Was on my own this week as my lad was sick for 3 days and only did about 500 litres. Maybe a 600 is the way to go just to be safe on first clean days.
yeh you wont need 800 for one man surely
i have a 650 use on average 450-500 on my own and i work with full flow and a univalve that doesnt shut off very well :D
I have a 650 bolted in a frame and then in front of it between the frame and the bulk head i have a 250 strapped in. The 250 is empty at the moment but if the employing hits me again its there.
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A univalve is all you need they save a huge amount of water.
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vivaro 2.0l good van curntly using 1.6cdti 30k been prity good so far next van will be vw fancy a change was chatting to verotech they was saying ford suffered cam belt snaps and another macanic on line saying when ford go wrong they cost big bucks lots of oil pump issues cam belts ect ect toyota look good option tho
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When a couple of experienced mechanics tell you don’t buy the new Transporter and certainly don’t buy a Custom because they are 💩 you would be stupid not to listen,buying a decent van is not as easy as it used to be cheap and almost fake leather and stripes down the bonnet don’t sell it to me lol,I like the way the stripes on the back door of the Custom sport Makes it look like a normal internal house door 🤣🤣
Almost fake leather? Must have come from almost not a cow.
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Toyotas are identical to Peugeot, Citroen etc these days.
Only difference is the Warranty. Ten years for Toyota provided they service it.
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Leather in a van then cover over the seats with seat protectors the way I’m in and out of the van that fake leather would be worn out in no time lol.
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Yeah not for nearly 15 years though lol apart from re gassin it’s been working like new all that time,I had a Custom for a week on insurance I hated the thing it was like driving a boat the doors and interior etc felt as cheap as chips.
If it's for an 800 litre tank, he's going to need a bigger boat.
If he's going back to working on his own, why does Jay Moley need an 800 litre tank?
I don't think he does so he doesn't need a great white van.
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Toyotas are identical to Peugeot, Citroen etc these days.
Only difference is the Warranty. Ten years for Toyota provided they service it.
They are similar yes but not the same there are many differences when you know what you are dealing with . The only issues I have had with mine are Peugeot parts , satnav and phone connectivity, which was sorted under warranty. The 10 year guarantee is ok but not fully inclusive , it’s now 4 years old and no other issues.
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Toyotas are identical to Peugeot, Citroen etc these days.
Only difference is the Warranty. Ten years for Toyota provided they service it.
They are similar yes but not the same there are many differences when you know what you are dealing with . The only issues I have had with mine are Peugeot parts , satnav and phone connectivity, which was sorted under warranty. The 10 year guarantee is ok but not fully inclusive , it’s now 4 years old and no other issues.
What are the differences?
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Never go for anything French even garlic 🧄 leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
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Never go for anything French even garlic 🧄 leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Garlic isn't French. They just use it in everything. Even bread. Which is a pain.
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Never trust you’re teeth even them when you don’t expect it bite you’re tongue 👅 lol.
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Different levels of trim and slight cockpit changes. Different size steering wheels but the basic vans are the same. Produced by the same group.
I have a brand new Proace City. Same as the Berlingo etc but without Toyota quality.
Drives very well but plastics and fit are poor. Typical workhorse really.
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Different levels of trim and slight cockpit changes. Different size steering wheels but the basic vans are the same. Produced by the same group.
I have a brand new Proace City. Same as the Berlingo etc but without Toyota quality.
Drives very well but plastics and fit are poor. Typical workhorse really.
Are you saying both the proace and Berlingo suffer poor build or just the Berlingo ?
Darran
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Just saying the van I have, although a good van isn’t up to Toyota build quality.
Toyota haven’t made vans for the last fifteen years for the UK market or thereabouts.
Don’t know much about other brands except my Son has a VW. Nice van but no more reliable than anything else it seems.
I’ve had several VW vehicles over the years. Never had a good one yet.
So, yes the Berlingo Toyota etc will all be the same. They are basically rebadged.
All produced by the Stellantis group
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
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Vw vans are just as bad the 1.6 caddy engine is terrible.
All vehicles are designed to fail
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Proace is the same as dispatch, not berlingo.
Proace/dispatch/expert
Berlingo/partner/combo
Vivaro/traffic/primastar
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Vw vans are just as bad the 1.6 caddy engine is terrible.
All vehicles are designed to fail
Agree which is why I think it silly to buy overpriced VW or Ford.
Citroen vans are cheaper and probably more reliable, you seem to hear about fewer problems with them.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
But how can the Proace be more reliable when it’s the same van as the Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall? They are built at the same factory.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
But how can the Proace be more reliable when it’s the same van as the Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall? They are built at the same factory.
No idea but that’s what the general reviews seam to show , they aren’t all the same either there are subtle differences so maybe that has a bearing on it ?..
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
But how can the Proace be more reliable when it’s the same van as the Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall? They are built at the same factory.
No idea but that’s what the general reviews seam to show , they aren’t all the same either there are subtle differences so maybe that has a bearing on it ?..
Aye they have a different badge! The only thing the Proace has over the the others is a longer warranty, doesn’t make it any more reliable.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
But how can the Proace be more reliable when it’s the same van as the Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall? They are built at the same factory.
No idea but that’s what the general reviews seam to show , they aren’t all the same either there are subtle differences so maybe that has a bearing on it ?..
Aye they have a different badge! The only thing the Proace has over the the others is a longer warranty, doesn’t make it any more reliable.
There are more differences than just badges and nose cones , many parts are different and not interchangeable , fittings wiring is totally different too in many areas , Toyota has the speed displace on a flip up screen that neither Citroen and Peugeot have , along with a host of other things , a Peugeot dealer will not work on a Toyota and Toyota won’t work on Peugeot the plug and play diagnostics is totally different , having owned one for the last 4 years I have learnt a lot about the difference, don’t believe all you read on hear go into the dealers and ask them the differences , you will be surprised.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
But how can the Proace be more reliable when it’s the same van as the Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall? They are built at the same factory.
No idea but that’s what the general reviews seam to show , they aren’t all the same either there are subtle differences so maybe that has a bearing on it ?..
Aye they have a different badge! The only thing the Proace has over the the others is a longer warranty, doesn’t make it any more reliable.
There are more differences than just badges and nose cones , many parts are different and not interchangeable , fittings wiring is totally different too in many areas , Toyota has the speed displace on a flip up screen that neither Citroen and Peugeot have , along with a host of other things , a Peugeot dealer will not work on a Toyota and Toyota won’t work on Peugeot the plug and play diagnostics is totally different , having owned one for the last 4 years I have learnt a lot about the difference, don’t believe all you read on hear go into the dealers and ask them the differences , you will be surprised.
That’s called clever marketing. Subtle differences which the dealership will have you believe makes their van unique, but essentially it’s the same van.
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For a small van I have two partners, 350 & 400L tanks in them….. to be fair they are sound little vans, they carry a full tank no bother with decent mpg
The trafic van is a donkey, av always bought Renaults as a little discount goes a long way but all Renaults are garbage, they look good go fast but just don’t last
Matt
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
But how can the Proace be more reliable when it’s the same van as the Peugeot, Citroen and Vauxhall? They are built at the same factory.
No idea but that’s what the general reviews seam to show , they aren’t all the same either there are subtle differences so maybe that has a bearing on it ?..
Aye they have a different badge! The only thing the Proace has over the the others is a longer warranty, doesn’t make it any more reliable.
There are more differences than just badges and nose cones , many parts are different and not interchangeable , fittings wiring is totally different too in many areas , Toyota has the speed displace on a flip up screen that neither Citroen and Peugeot have , along with a host of other things , a Peugeot dealer will not work on a Toyota and Toyota won’t work on Peugeot the plug and play diagnostics is totally different , having owned one for the last 4 years I have learnt a lot about the difference, don’t believe all you read on hear go into the dealers and ask them the differences , you will be surprised.
That’s called clever marketing. Subtle differences which the dealership will have you believe makes their van unique, but essentially it’s the same van.
Yes I agree essentially it is the same van but there are differences that appear to affect reliability
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
possibly - but then I see far fewer Toyota's than the equivalent Citroen and Peugeot - but hey you have done all the research, and as always you must be 100% correct - regardless of what others have experienced or know
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
possibly - but then I see far fewer Toyota's than the equivalent Citroen and Peugeot - but hey you have done all the research, and as always you must be 100% correct - regardless of what others have experienced or know
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
Not at all Darran, I was in the motor trade for 16 years and still have a lot of contacts that are , going on what many say and my own experience is what I have said .
The vast majority of roof tile manufacturer s state do t pressure wash them , but you do it and don’t get any problems some do it and cause damage and leaks so there is often more than one answer to an issue
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It’s like saying an Audi is a Volkswagen or Skoda etc you wouldn’t think that if you sat in my Audi lol,load of rubbish how often do we stand staring at the engine.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
possibly - but then I see far fewer Toyota's than the equivalent Citroen and Peugeot - but hey you have done all the research, and as always you must be 100% correct - regardless of what others have experienced or know
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
Not at all Darran, I was in the motor trade for 16 years and still have a lot of contacts that are , going on what many say and my own experience is what I have said .
The vast majority of roof tile manufacturer s state do t pressure wash them , but you do it and don’t get any problems some do it and cause damage and leaks so there is often more than one answer to an issue
What a load of old gibberish - this thread is about Vans - Not pressure washing roofs - stop deflecting - 16 years in the motor trade? when was that ? 20 years ago ? - is that the same as your expert opinion regarding water tanks in vans being a modification that clearly isn't - yet you cant admit to getting it wrong ?
Darran
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It’s like saying an Audi is a Volkswagen or Skoda etc you wouldn’t think that if you sat in my Audi lol,load of rubbish how often do we stand staring at the engine.
Shouldn't you be in nursery today Nigel?
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Funny thing is I had a Mechanic come to the house replace the condenser pipe and re gas the air con,he was telling me the Custom has been voted the worst most unreliable van on the market.
Thought you would be along soon😂😂
Nigel knows at least 20 mechanics. Well, actually he knows the manager. :P
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Birds of a feather m8 you two apart from on here I disassociate myself from negative people like you two,it’s only coz it’s a forum and I tolerate you when I feel like it.
I can imagine what kind of people you are and where you live 👌.
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Birds of a feather m8 you two apart from on here I disassociate myself from negative people like you two,it’s only coz it’s a forum and I tolerate you when I feel like it.
I can imagine what kind of people you are and where you live 👌.
Have you missed your breast feed today Nigel?
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Have you ever seen someone be sick in their own mouth,I have it’s not a nice sight better to not be around it.
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It’s like saying an Audi is a Volkswagen or Skoda etc you wouldn’t think that if you sat in my Audi lol,load of rubbish how often do we stand staring at the engine.
We all know you have an Audi Nigel, it’s nothing to shout from the rooftops about!
Difference being that Audi, VW and Skoda are all different, they have their own production lines. Whereas the vans mentioned are one and the same, they are all built in the same factory.
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Mine is different it’s paid for in full iiiiinn full as Martin says.
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That was what I was getting at - they are all made on the same line - so anyone who thinks that the Toyota is superior is kidding themselves
Darran
possibly - but then I see far fewer Toyota's than the equivalent Citroen and Peugeot - but hey you have done all the research, and as always you must be 100% correct - regardless of what others have experienced or know
Darran
The Toyota is definitely more reliable than the Peugeot I know several that have the dispatch and have had multiple issues that we haven’t had , the only problem we have had is with the radio/ sat nav and phone link which has now been replaced and works fine . Just Google the problems that they all suffer with Toyota comes out top for reliability.
Not at all Darran, I was in the motor trade for 16 years and still have a lot of contacts that are , going on what many say and my own experience is what I have said .
The vast majority of roof tile manufacturer s state do t pressure wash them , but you do it and don’t get any problems some do it and cause damage and leaks so there is often more than one answer to an issue
What a load of old gibberish - this thread is about Vans - Not pressure washing roofs - stop deflecting - 16 years in the motor trade? when was that ? 20 years ago ? - is that the same as your expert opinion regarding water tanks in vans being a modification that clearly isn't - yet you cant admit to getting it wrong ?
Darran
Ime a fully qualified sprayer and panel beater apprentaship served from school but after 16 years saw the light and became my own boss , quite happy to email you my certification if you don’t believe it . You just don’t get it do you I was using roofs as an example, as for strapping in tanks I think you will find I did say it’s not a modification but still needs declawing , I thought it was a modification I accept it’s not but you still have so say it’s strapped in mist don’t admit to it,
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Splash save your breath and give it to me please you are wasting it.you’re doing far to well m8 that’s the problem 🤣🤣.
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Not to argue with you splash - panel beater/sprayer isn’t really a qualification on modern factory assembly lines - for decades the main makers have been working together on new models with only badge changes and trim the only difference - these last time I drove a van didn’t have affect reliability.
What I will say is this - no matter the thread/subject you constantly portray yourself as the font of all knowledge - insurance - vans - webasto heaters - and your in the habit of Willy waving on everything perhaps occasionally show a little humility 👍
Darran
Darran
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Mine is different it’s paid for in full iiiiinn full as Martin says.
Different to who? How would you know who does and doesn’t have tick on a motor? You’re making assumptions again.
What I will say is you should get top dollar for your car when you come to sell it, no need to trade it in or sell to WBAC or Motorway, you will sell it private no problem, hairdressers are queuing up for such cars😁
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What a bunch of handbag wavers.
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