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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jo5hm4n on March 11, 2023, 08:06:41 pm
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This is mainly aimed at those of you who are still running a window cleaning business but completely off the tools and just making important decisions for the business and letting office staff run the schedules and then the window cleaners doing all their own work. Basically almost retired just getting passive income from the business doing as little as is possible mainly important decision making etc.
Is anyone on here doing this? If so how is it working out for you.
For health reasons im looking to possibly fast track semi retirement in the next few years and wondering how viable it would be to have between 5-8 vans out, staff cleaning windows and then an office manager on a good wage to run and take care of all day to days with another member of staff to help with admin etc. I know its possible but i just want to know if anyone on here is already doing this and if so how is it working out for them.
Cheers
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Yep. Been exactly that way for a while. Works out fine.
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Thing is although you may be physically retired you won't be mentally retired.
It can be just as draining and stressful sat at home as doing the work yourself, infact usually more so as I'm sure you are aware.
Can you ever really retire if you have a business ? I don't believe so.
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Yep. Been exactly that way for a while. Works out fine.
Hi Lee, good to hear from you on here. I seen lately your taking lots more holidays and time away from the business etc. So it would seem you are finally enjoying yourself and time off and letting the business take care of itself. That is great to hear that its working on a big scale with the amount of vans you have etc :D
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Thing is although you may be physically retired you won't be mentally retired.
It can be just as draining and stressful sat at home as doing the work yourself, infact usually more so as I'm sure you are aware.
Can you ever really retire if you have a business ? I don't believe so.
You are right you can never truly retire. But i do believe you can get to a point where if you pay a very very good wage to a manager to deal with all the day to day BS and small/medium sized business issues they can take of all of that, and you just deal with the real important issues when the pop up once a month and every couple months. I do think doing this you could almost achieve a level of retirement. Maybe just a couple hours per week doing important tasks but thats about it. My only issue is trying to figure out how many vans you would need to achieve this at minimum level. Im thinking somewhere between 5-8 vans at lower end, or 10+ vans higher end retirement.
As i say just an idea at this stage mate. The way i see it is, ill either plan to build the business then sell it off, or build the business and pay manager/staff to just run day to day and take an income passively.
Basically i just want an end goal 2-5 years from now. Dont want to just keep things ticking over forever, rather actually plan some kind of exit strategy so i can get out down the line.
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Well it’s completely possible as I’m doing exactly as you have described. In reality it depends how much you want to earn while doing this as to how many vans and staff etc. you would most definitely need a minimum of 2 office staff, perhaps more like 3 as it won’t be great for the person sat alone dealing with everything when the other is on a week holiday or leaves altogether. So to achieve 3 office staff and pay yourself a decent wage it’s probably more like 12 vans.
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Well it’s completely possible as I’m doing exactly as you have described. In reality it depends how much you want to earn while doing this as to how many vans and staff etc. you would most definitely need a minimum of 2 office staff, perhaps more like 3 as it won’t be great for the person sat alone dealing with everything when the other is on a week holiday or leaves altogether. So to achieve 3 office staff and pay yourself a decent wage it’s probably more like 12 vans.
It’s not the number of vans that’s important it’s the amount of money each van is making each day , better off with 6 vans doing a grand per day than 12 vans doing five hundred a day , less overheads equals more profit .
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Well that goes without saying doesn’t it. Realistically vans won’t be doing £1000 a day. Will they. 400-500 will cover it. He asked the question and I’m one of if not the only person doing exactly that. So if you’re doing exactly that then tell him what you think is required to achieve that goal.
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Well that goes without saying doesn’t it. Realistically vans won’t be doing £1000 a day. Will they. 400-500 will cover it. He asked the question and I’m one of if not the only person doing exactly that. So if you’re doing exactly that then tell him what you think is required to achieve that goal.
It’s is possible to do that and half as much again we do it not every day of the week but a few days a month on commercial work starting at 8:30 finished by 15.00 . As for domestic the day rate is always going to be less but 400-600 per day is not difficult to achieve and I dont run an operation like yours , problem with more staff and vans is the overheads are much greater better off with less vans and much more profitable work .
One of the only persons doing it lol you are a dreamer 😂😂😂😂😂
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You are both talking poop.
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You are both talking poop.
Just because you cannot do something doesn't mean it cannot be done
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If you say so…..
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I wonder if you can ever have a useful conversation on here and try to give genuine advice from actual experience without it going like this? Tell the man the answer to his question and a total stranger who knows nothing about me tells me I’m talking poop. Amazing.
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I wonder if you can ever have a useful conversation on here and try to give genuine advice from actual experience without it going like this? Tell the man the answer to his question and a total stranger who knows nothing about me tells me I’m talking poop. Amazing.
Ime still on the tools and not looking to do what he’s asking ,but am in a position to give him the advise on how to maximise profits per van per day , this will give him far higher profits for way less vans ,staff and overheads , depending ware in the country you are will have an impact on potential earnings but £400-600 isn’t difficult to achieve per day on domestic and 1 to 1.5 k per day on commercial is certainly possible we have been doing that since 2004 so if he wants to semi retire on a decent wage with minimal overhead s that would be my recommendation s ,not that I have anyware near your experience or size of business,I am happy to stay at the level ime at I don’t wish to expand further . There is more than one way to run a very profitable business.
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I wonder if you can ever have a useful conversation on here and try to give genuine advice from actual experience without it going like this? Tell the man the answer to his question and a total stranger who knows nothing about me tells me I’m talking poop. Amazing.
Why are you amazed? This is Cleanitup. ;)
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"depending ware in the country you are will have an impact on potential earnings but £400-600 isn’t difficult to achieve per day on domestic... "
so 4 to 6 hundred per van on domestic !
is this one man per van or two ?
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It also depends what amount of business income is aimed for.
I could come off the tools and have someone employed in my van to do my round. But my business monthly 'income' might be 5k turnover with say £1,500 profit for me. I'd still have to manage the round and maybe cover holidays.
If I had five vans I might extrapolate that but need a unit and so my profit after expenses would be less per van. I'd probably need admin help if I didn't want to spend too much time on admin, payroll, tax etc. Maybe a 'pool' van too. Maybe I would clear 4k/5k a month for myself but not be completely free of input and the need to replenish vehicles every several years.
Now if I had ten vans I might be able to take some folding money out but now I would need a manager to insulate me from it all so I don't know what my personal loot would be?
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You are both talking poop.
So why don't you educate us with your experience and suggestions?
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Well that goes without saying doesn’t it. Realistically vans won’t be doing £1000 a day. Will they. 400-500 will cover it. He asked the question and I’m one of if not the only person doing exactly that. So if you’re doing exactly that then tell him what you think is required to achieve that goal.
And there is the bit that shows the makings of an achilles' heel?
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Well it’s completely possible as I’m doing exactly as you have described. In reality it depends how much you want to earn while doing this as to how many vans and staff etc. you would most definitely need a minimum of 2 office staff, perhaps more like 3 as it won’t be great for the person sat alone dealing with everything when the other is on a week holiday or leaves altogether. So to achieve 3 office staff and pay yourself a decent wage it’s probably more like 12 vans.
Good thinking here it makes sense to have more office staff and split the duties between them. I would probably aim for this. I have a few other investments that bring some passive income and i live up north so living costs are lower too so i dont need as much of an income from the business. I think initially i would try and aim for 6-8 vans to see if its possible at the lower level and if it works i could always increase vans until i hit that sweet spot if needed. I think you did that. I remember at one point you said you were going to stop growing at £1 million but im guessing you decided to carry on growing :)
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Again people are comparing apples with pears...
Splash has a lot of commercial - he also runs 3 out of a van - so maybe not that great ??
1 man 1 van has proved (IME) to be the best in turnover per man per day 2 men only ever achieve 75% than a single operator on multi site work (ie. Domestics) - commercial is a least double if not slightly more...
Personally the windows are ok - but they are a base line, a good backup for the winter - roof cleaning, brick cleaning, commercial gutters payout 4,5,6 fold than licking glass -its just not regular repeatable
Nice to see you posting Lee
Darran
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yes you can but it depends on
1. your mind set
2. how much money you have to do this including the income from it
3. how reliant are you on net income
4 how good is your staff
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The reason I suggested they were talking poop, is that although lee was giving good advice he couldn’t resist claiming he was the only person in the country doing i. I personally know at least 2 companies in my quite small town doing it, albeit at a smaller scale but OP wasnt asking how to semi-retire on £250k+ a year.
Splash couldn’t resist making it about how much money he can turn over, whilst I’m sure he does earn £1500 a day, it’s not going to me the reality for 99% of other window cleaners and is not what anybody should be planning a long term business off of.
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£1500 a day is the new £300 a day now. Love CIU ;D
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Again people are comparing apples with pears...
Splash has a lot of commercial - he also runs 3 out of a van - so maybe not that great ??
1 man 1 van has proved (IME) to be the best in turnover per man per day 2 men only ever achieve 75% than a single operator on multi site work (ie. Domestics) - commercial is a least double if not slightly more...
Personally the windows are ok - but they are a base line, a good backup for the winter - roof cleaning, brick cleaning, commercial gutters payout 4,5,6 fold than licking glass -its just not regular repeatable
Nice to see you posting Lee
Darran
We only run 3 per van on large commercial work , but due to doing commercial every day along with domestic run two per van most of the time , however it is possible to do the figures quoted for domestic with one per van . It’s not that difficult.
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Would love to see the Accounts .
Finding £1500 grand a day commercial now that’s a challenge .
How many houses is £400 a day think your employees must be supermen .
How much do you pay them ?
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£1500 a day is the new £300 a day now. Love CIU ;D
Have you tried employing on 300 a day good luck with that one you’d struggle and it wouldn’t be worth it if the sun was out everyday so you could work,the same goes if they are out in a van on their own wouldn’t be worth it.
Absolute piece of pee hitting 5-600 on my work with 2 of us in the van nowhere near a full day either most down this way will be looking for 6-750 minimum.
Put it this way if 2 people worked in a very good affluent area 8-4 most days from 1 van and had like I say “decent” work you’d knock 10ks worth of work out like a teenager knocks one off the wrist.
A realistic target if you have the work and
3 vans is a steady 1200 a day with not one van rushing,forget the amount per day that’s the easy bit just the 3 vans will require a “lot” of work to keep everyone busy and the thing is once you get to a certain point you’ll start taking on crap work if you’re not careful just for the numbers.
If I had today all the houses I’d dropped golf’s clubs that had closed etc it would be enough for 1 person over 6 weeks,the above numbers are easy with the right work, if you have what I call run of the mill domestics and small commercial of course it looks like La La Land.
You could always take it easy have huge days and take time off and have a life eh,just saying lol.
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Would love to see the Accounts .
Finding £1500 grand a day commercial now that’s a challenge .
How many houses is £400 a day think your employees must be supermen .
How much do you pay them ?
Depends what work you have doesn’t it this is the thing how’s the wall been built slowly and straight or rushed and ped,if I did that on the my own it wouldn’t be anymore than 5-8 most days Ive wheat and chaffed over the years so much I should get a tractor. I still see guys I know with multiple vans cleaning for peanuts I dropped an 80 outside job because it was out the way with awkward windows ,this guys cleaning it for 35 with 2 of em lol,2 vans out when he should only be in one can’t be making any profit at those prices must be losing how’s he going to justify raising that 45 quid and it was worth more than 80 to begin with lol.
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Bit early for alcohol?
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Bit early for alcohol?
Some are still going from the night before...
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Popcorn time🍿 🍿 😎
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Try running a 2-3 van operation on some of the figures mentioned on here can I start to employ I’m doing 250-300 a day lol,the short answer is no unless you want to slash your income to the point you need capital before you start.
People forget with this job you can’t work everyday due to weather etc,they go out do 2 days then get weathered off for maybe 2 days within the next week so - 600 for that on that 300 a day figure. If it was easy to make this work with window cleaning 10-12 vans would be a tiny business,you need masses of work for 10-12 vans if every van of Lee Pryors was doing 300 a day he would have been meeting with the liquidators years ago.
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I send my one paye employee out in a 2016 Vivaro. He doesn’t do anything like £300 a day. He works 9-3 as he’s on his own with kids. He used to be full time a year or so back before he separated from his partner. Still never hit those figures though. It’s not ideal but he’s been with me over 7 years now. Still worthwhile though.
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Would love to see the Accounts .
Finding £1500 grand a day commercial now that’s a challenge .
How many houses is £400 a day think your employees must be supermen .
How much do you pay them ?
Ime certainly not posting my accounts on here 😂😂
It’s not 15 grand a day it’s £1,500 per day with two guys on commercial and trust me we can do a lot more than that but again ime not putting figures as the naslayers won’t believe it anyway , I wish we were doing it 5 days a week . What you have to remember is some of us have been doing this job a long time and the high value commercials are accumulated over years of hard work , we pay our staff very well and they also get a very healthy bonus if no complaints and certain targets are met .
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I send my one paye employee out in a 2016 Vivaro. He doesn’t do anything like £300 a day. He works 9-3 as he’s on his own with kids. He used to be full time a year or so back before he separated from his partner. Still never hit those figures though. It’s not ideal but he’s been with me over 7 years now. Still worthwhile though.
How can you afford to employ him and all the associated expenses if he’s not doing that ?. Doesn’t sound a viable situation to me
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Well it works for me ;)
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I send my one paye employee out in a 2016 Vivaro. He doesn’t do anything like £300 a day. He works 9-3 as he’s on his own with kids. He used to be full time a year or so back before he separated from his partner. Still never hit those figures though. It’s not ideal but he’s been with me over 7 years now. Still worthwhile though.
How can you afford to employ him and all the associated expenses if he’s not doing that ?. Doesn’t sound a viable situation to me
I have to agree with this. When you factor in wages, holiday pay, employers NI, employers insurance, van insurance, van repairs, van depreciation, cost of equipment etc etc, I would want an employee out in a van oh his own to be turning over a lot more than £300 per full shift.
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So would i. It’s no ideal but it’s still worthwhile. He’ll be back full time in a year or two when his youngest is a bit older.
His tax & ni comes out at source. He opts out of pension. There’s no employers ni to pay. He also gets topped up by the government in tax credits or something I think. It’s all legitimate. I might send him to clean fsg’s etc on rainy days. It’s not a zero hours contract.
We still make a profit else I wouldn’t do it. There are the usual hickups which often makes we wonder if it’s worthwhile. But it is. Not saying I’ve got it nailed because I haven’t but I’ve employed him over 7 years now.
Just saying because some people are scared to employ or poo poo it because they’ve never done it. Or they didn’t give it anything like long enough etc etc.
I’ve been cleaning windows 31 years now. We’re all different but i know what I’m doing. I couldn’t earn some of the figures given on here but i do fine.
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And i gave up caring what people on here think of me a long time ago lol.
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If he could work every single day regardless an employee that is 300 a day is not enough to make it viable I’ve done it maybe you’re expectations are a lot lower or you don’t need all the money from the business to survive,I am in that situation.
I’ve just paid another 700 notes employers liability van will be due for insurance again soon just 2 small bills needed to be dealt with that amount to the best part of 2 grand,so 2 grand out + his wages Tax etc need a bit of work to be done before you’d break even again on that month.
There’s nothing worth bothering about long term hitting those numbers you’d go broke.
Get another van out running beside the other one at 400 minimum per van that’s a better start.
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So would i. It’s no ideal but it’s still worthwhile. He’ll be back full time in a year or two when his youngest is a bit older.
His tax & ni comes out at source. He opts out of pension. There’s no employers ni to pay. He also gets topped up by the government in tax credits or something I think. It’s all legitimate. I might send him to clean fsg’s etc on rainy days. It’s not a zero hours contract.
We still make a profit else I wouldn’t do it. There are the usual hickups which often makes we wonder if it’s worthwhile. But it is. Not saying I’ve got it nailed because I haven’t but I’ve employed him over 7 years now.
Just saying because some people are scared to employ or poo poo it because they’ve never done it. Or they didn’t give it anything like long enough etc etc.
I’ve been cleaning windows 31 years now. We’re all different but i know what I’m doing. I couldn’t earn some of the figures given on here but i do fine.
How is there no Employers NI to pay? You said he was was full time up until last year and you are hoping he is back to full time in a year or two. I think you might find if he is getting tax credits etc there isn’t any real incentive for him to go back full time, especially as you can’t give him a good wage because he only turns over around £50 per hour.
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No ni to pay as there’s an allowance & we’re under it.
Yes i agree there’s not much incentive due to the government topup. Haven’t been able to come up with a solution to that so far.
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No ni to pay as there’s an allowance & we’re under it.
Yes i agree there’s not much incentive due to the government topup. Haven’t been able to come up with a solution to that so far.
I get that you’re under it this year, but you couldn’t have been under it when he was working full time in previous years? Anyway good luck with it, hopefully you can get him working full time again by increasing prices and working more efficiently to make it worthwhile for both of you.
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We’ve always been under it. Fact.
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We’ve always been under it. Fact.
Would you like to share how you’ve managed to stay under the threshold despite your employee being full time?
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We’ve always been under it. Fact.
Would you like to share how you’ve managed to stay under the threshold despite your employee being full time?
Your talking about different things. Simon is talking about the employers ni allowance which I think covers ni up to 2.5k, you started talking about that but I think you have morphed to vat thresholds now. But I could be wrong.
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Listen I don’t know what you are all on about it’s window cleaning you should be toppin out at 200 a day you lot of lying window lickers 🤣🤣🤣,believe it or not the country is not full of Coronation street type houses I’ve just taken on a new domestic i won’t say how much per clean because it just won’t be believed,people will pay for quality and I mean pay when they’ve had a dreadful service 2-3 times from crap cleaners.
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We’ve always been under it. Fact.
Would you like to share how you’ve managed to stay under the threshold despite your employee being full time?
Employment allowance is 5k
He would have to paying an employee about 45k to cross the threshold. I will guess he is well under it.
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We’ve always been under it. Fact.
Would you like to share how you’ve managed to stay under the threshold despite your employee being full time?
Your talking about different things. Simon is talking about the employers ni allowance which I think covers ni up to 2.5k, you started talking about that but I think you have morphed to vat thresholds now. But I could be wrong.
We’re not talking about different things, I haven’t mentioned anything about VAT. I’m talking about the Employers NI threshold. I’m miffed as to how he’s always managed to stay under it despite his employee previously working full time.
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Honestly some of the garb on here is mind blowing.
I have first hand experience employing sending out workers who were doing 250-300 per day (up north) for atleast 5 years.
The profit was not fantastic but it was still more than viable after paying all expenses and paying staff a decent wage £20k+ per year going back a few years now.
Our figures are now better than this and we are heading slowly closer to 400 per day, but still you can definitely make a good enough profit up north with vans doing 250-300 per day. Down south that would naturally equate to 400+ just on increased prices alone if nothing else.
all this talk of you need to be doing 500 a day. No you don't. If you can get achieve 500 per day then great, fantastic, spot on, keep going! But im just saying its not absolutely necessary to hit these figures and still make fairly decent profit for an average business with employees.
Naturally any business that wants to grow big or improve constantly though you would want to aim for these figures longterm but it does not need to happen straight away is what im saying.
My goal now is just working towards getting staff to hit 350-400 up north every day which we are already doing with 1 of our vans consistently.
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KS have you ever employed?? Gotta love how people on this forum know more about my business than me!
Google ‘NI employers allowance’. I think it’s something like up to £5000 for the coming year. It’s gone up over the years. When i first employed him some years back the allowance was something like £2000. I’ve never paid employers NI. He’s never earned enough even when full time ffs!
I’m done with this thread now. Go use google.
Never been vat registered either. We don’t turnover enough to be near the threshold. I’m pretty much part time myself also. Hope that answers all your questions. If it doesn’t, I don’t care! Read into it & think what you want.
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Honestly some of the garb on here is mind blowing.
I have first hand experience employing sending out workers who were doing 250-300 per day (up north) for atleast 5 years.
The profit was not fantastic but it was still more than viable after paying all expenses and paying staff a decent wage £20k+ per year going back a few years now.
Our figures are now better than this and we are heading slowly closer to 400 per day, but still you can definitely make a good enough profit up north with vans doing 250-300 per day. Down south that would naturally equate to 400+ just on increased prices alone if nothing else.
all this talk of you need to be doing 500 a day. No you don't. If you can get achieve 500 per day then great, fantastic, spot on, keep going! But im just saying its not absolutely necessary to hit these figures and still make fairly decent profit for an average business with employees.
Naturally any business that wants to grow big or improve constantly though you would want to aim for these figures longterm but it does not need to happen straight away is what im saying.
My goal now is just working towards getting staff to hit 350-400 up north every day which we are already doing with 1 of our vans consistently.
Employees that’s with everything that goes with it 4 weeks paid holiday sick days all the insurances the whole 9 yards use of a van etc,that figure you mention gets squashed.
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You say all this talk about so much out of a van etc is rubbish you need to bare in mind that you still as the owner operator need to be earning at least what you were originally yourself to cover you’re own bills,then factor in all the extra costs and the profit needed you will end up getting all the work done quicker and earning less I know this happens I’ve been there before you need a far bigger daily figure in reality to what you think you will need when you first start off.
Bills and expenses are on a different level when you employ people,people will think yeah rightO when you say 300 is peanuts when you employ but in reality how far is that 300 gonna go lol fill the van up pay his wages for the day only 4 days left on that 300 a day to make a profit lol it’s not happening on planet earth.
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We’ve always been under it. Fact.
Would you like to share how you’ve managed to stay under the threshold despite your employee being full time?
Employment allowance is 5k
He would have to paying an employee about 45k to cross the threshold. I will guess he is well under it.
Things must have changed since I employed, or the rules are different for Scotland? You didn’t get Employment allowance if you only had one employee. If memory serves me right, back then Employers NI threshold was around £120 per week. So if you paid an employee £200 per week £80 of that would be subject to Employers NI which was around 12% at the time.
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Well I’m in England & you must be out of date.
So what a waste of my time that was!
Anyway, back on topic for OP….
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Listen I don’t know what you are all on about
Well stfu then and stop ruining every thread on here.
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You say all this talk about so much out of a van etc is rubbish you need to bare in mind that you still as the owner operator need to be earning at least what you were originally yourself to cover you’re own bills,then factor in all the extra costs and the profit needed you will end up getting all the work done quicker and earning less I know this happens I’ve been there before you need a far bigger daily figure in reality to what you think you will need when you first start off.
Bills and expenses are on a different level when you employ people,people will think yeah rightO when you say 300 is peanuts when you employ but in reality how far is that 300 gonna go lol fill the van up pay his wages for the day only 4 days left on that 300 a day to make a profit lol it’s not happening on planet earth.
If you have ever actually properly employed atleast 2 or more full time vans/employees then you would know that most of what you are saying is just BS. It's clear to me just the way you talk about it that you have never properly truly employed for any length of time.
It's not black and white. There are multiples of factors involved. I'm sorry but you just don't get it lol
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
Put a sock in it. You're clogging up this thread with constant reiteration of your same view.
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
so a full time employee doing 300 a day isnt worth it ?
70k a year ?
you sure ?
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
In the other thread you said you couldn't get anyone who is employable anyway, that they're all dribblers. They apparently think you're not worth it.
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
so a full time employee doing 300 a day isnt worth it ?
70k a year ?
you sure ?
Really not worth engaging with Nigel.
He is just a headcase who spouts endless drivel, best not to encourage him. He will probably start going on about his rich wife soon and accusing people of being a JW.
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Same old faces same old comments don’t worry Pryors probably watching with Splash the cash having a laugh they know the score lol.
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
so a full time employee doing 300 a day isnt worth it ?
70k a year ?
you sure ?
Really not worth engaging with Nigel.
He is just a headcase who spouts endless drivel, best not to encourage him. He will probably start going on about his rich wife soon and accusing people of being a JW.
Accusing people of that oh blimey I waste enough time on here commenting on stuff that’s at least got some fact about it.
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If your only doing something like 300 a day doesn’t sound like you know a lot yourself me old m8,if I wanted to earn 300 a day I’d be working part time
hours like a lot of others on here.
Lots of people know what’s right and wrong maybe they keep quiet I know for a fact a few do,I wouldn’t even contemplate employing on certain numbers being mentioned simply utterly not worth it.
so a full time employee doing 300 a day isnt worth it ?
70k a year ?
you sure ?
Really not worth engaging with Nigel.
He is just a headcase who spouts endless drivel, best not to encourage him. He will probably start going on about his rich wife soon and accusing people of being a JW.
Accusing people of that oh blimey I waste enough time on here commenting on stuff that’s at least got some fact about it.
How are you finding dealing with the Vat now that you are employing Nigel?
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probably the same as when he used to spout on about hot water wearing away the glass ;D ;D
thankfully I don't need to put my 2 Peneth in on this thread - old Nigel has again shown himself up yet again
Darran
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Can’t beat a bit of wrist action reading over some old footage eh.
Thanks Nigel lol 🤣🤣🤣
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Can’t beat a bit of wrist action reading over some old footage eh.
Thanks Nigel lol 🤣🤣🤣
Have a week off. Fed up of any usefulness in your posts being outweighed by nonsense.
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This is mainly aimed at those of you who are still running a window cleaning business but completely off the tools and just making important decisions for the business and letting office staff run the schedules and then the window cleaners doing all their own work. Basically almost retired just getting passive income from the business doing as little as is possible mainly important decision making etc.
Is anyone on here doing this? If so how is it working out for you.
For health reasons im looking to possibly fast track semi retirement in the next few years and wondering how viable it would be to have between 5-8 vans out, staff cleaning windows and then an office manager on a good wage to run and take care of all day to days with another member of staff to help with admin etc. I know its possible but i just want to know if anyone on here is already doing this and if so how is it working out for them.
Cheers
Yes it's absolutely possible to achieve that goal and dependant on your knowledge and experience relatively easy too, however that knowledge and experience can take considerable time to acquire which makes consultancy services such as Lee's rather attractive.