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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pipgleamclean on February 08, 2023, 01:34:25 pm
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What heaters are you all using, i currently have webasto heaters, but they are quite unreliable, i was looking at an lpg gas boiler set up instead.
Has anyone done this and if so any recommendations, do's and dont's
Thanks in advance
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What heaters are you all using, i currently have webasto heaters, but they are quite unreliable, i was looking at an lpg gas boiler set up instead.
Has anyone done this and if so any recommendations, do's and dont's
Thanks in advance
My diesel heater is over 5 years old now and it's reliable(used every day all year round).i only had to change a fuse once to get it working again...
What seems to be the problem with yours?
Mines a thermo pro 90 by the way
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Might not be the kind of solution that you're looking for, but I like dropping an aquarium heater or two into the tank over night while the water is being produced. The great thing about this approach is that you don't have to drill a whole in your tank, as with an immersion heater, and with a large body of heated water in the back of the van you don't get any of the hoses or pumps freezing up either.
Nick
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Might not be the kind of solution that you're looking for, but I like dropping an aquarium heater or two into the tank over night while the water is being produced. The great thing about this approach is that you don't have to drill a whole in your tank, as with an immersion heater, and with a large body of heated water in the back of the van you don't get any of the hoses or pumps freezing up either.
Nick
Thats not going to stop the pumps and hoses freezing over night on a really cold night, trust me been there done that ;D
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What heaters are you all using, i currently have webasto heaters, but they are quite unreliable, i was looking at an lpg gas boiler set up instead.
Has anyone done this and if so any recommendations, do's and dont's
Thanks in advance
What do you mean unreliable? Mine did well over 12,000 hours run time before I had any issues with it , it’s now done double that and had two burners , pins and screens . Next time it goes wrong I will replace the complete unit only costs £1,400
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⬆️ a couple of posts above for real is it those comments 😂.
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I’d echo the above.
My grippatank 9kw has ran for I think about 5 years now too. Only had one issue which was a fan fault. Grippatank found and replaced it on the day for me.
I use hot water all day every day at work and It’s great.
Webastos are currently the best and most reliable daily hot water supply in my opinion.
I’ve tried immersion, LPG, fish tank heaters, the lot.
I’d try and get your webasto running properly rather than switching around.
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Since I’ve had battery issues sorted which were my fault it doesn’t miss a beat,turn on and I’ve got hot water all day or for as long as I want it well worth the investment.
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I’d echo the above.
My grippatank 9kw has ran for I think about 5 years now too. Only had one issue which was a fan fault. Grippatank found and replaced it on the day for me.
I use hot water all day every day at work and It’s great.
Webastos are currently the best and most reliable daily hot water supply in my opinion.
I’ve tried immersion, LPG, fish tank heaters, the lot.
I’d try and get your webasto running properly rather than switching around.
I will Echo what Johnny said , I have had mine 2 years and I also had a fan fault which they sorted under warranty.other than that it's been very good.
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Like I say no issues only something that was my fault other than that Rolls Royce and they have that name within that industry anyway,I had a 5kw never touched it for 7-8 years worked everyday again apart from wrong battery setup.
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Might not be the kind of solution that you're looking for, but I like dropping an aquarium heater or two into the tank over night while the water is being produced. The great thing about this approach is that you don't have to drill a whole in your tank, as with an immersion heater, and with a large body of heated water in the back of the van you don't get any of the hoses or pumps freezing up either.
Nick
Thats not going to stop the pumps and hoses freezing over night on a really cold night, trust me been there done that ;D
In the back of a insulated, 330 SWB transit, I have two 500 litre tanks. Into one of them, at 4.30.pm when the forecast for the night is below freezing, I place two 1000 w aquarium heaters, and to date nothing has ever frozen up. The temperature was reading -9 here a few weeks ago and the temperature in the back of the van was 11 °C.
Nick
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To anyone that is not interested in buying a hot water system but obviously wants to keep everything from freezing, just buy a blower that works the same on a frost stat as the heater does.
NPower have them in there vans and you used to be able to buy one from Window Cleaning Warehouse I think,job done I think they were around the 500 plus Vat.
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Get your heater survived and should be grate I’ve ran lpg for years got to be 7 or 8 they can be a pain when it’s windy burner blows out gas in winter gets very dense and when bottle gets low can only just get warm water with butane there not the safest things to run having said that I’ve had no issues ever but others have also gas can be hard to get hold of shortages etc so I would stick with diesel
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The OP has not even replied.... ::)roll
Why post in the first place?we could of helped him with his diesel heater issues....
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The OP has not even replied.... ::)roll
Why post in the first place?we could of helped him with his diesel heater issues....
He posted this on the 8th Feb and he hasn't logged back on since.
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I'm currently looking a diesel heater too. What temp does yours get up to daz? I contacted a supplier and said Thier heater only put out water 30-40degree which would probably drop more it Travels along house. Have you any links for Thermo pro heater? TIA
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You’ve got a few options Wayne.
Here’s one : https://purefreedom.co.uk/products/pure-freedom-hot-water-system?variant=43450458472622
You’ve got Xline and Grippatank as well. Probably a few more that others on here may recommend.
I’ve got a Grippatank system, had it a few years now and working well. Been very reliable. I get upto 60-67 degrees on full from the heater. So you’ll lose a bit as it travels down the hose in winter.
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You’ve got a few options Wayne.
Here’s one : https://purefreedom.co.uk/products/pure-freedom-hot-water-system?variant=43450458472622
You’ve got Xline and Grippatank as well. Probably a few more that others on here may recommend.
I’ve got a Grippatank system, had it a few years now and working well. Been very reliable. I get upto 60-67 degrees on full from the heater. So you’ll lose a bit as it travels down the hose in winter.
You have the choice between a 5.2kw Webasto (single operator) or a Webasto Thermo Pro 90 9.1kw which replaced the 90S and 90ST diesel burners.
The specs for the Pro90 and the 90S and 90ST are the same.
We still have Varistream controllers. My 2 man Heatwave will just manage heating the water for the first operator to 55 degrees and the second to 50 degrees - both temperatures are as the hot water leaves the heater. Any higher than that and the burner wouldn't keep up.
Operator 1 (me) uses microbore hose and my son uses minibore on the other hose reel. When the ground is very cold, the temperature of the water at the brush head can only be called lukewarm at best. I run my flow at 3 which is around 30 on the Spring controller range, where my son uses 2 on his. Believe it or not, the minibore on his hose reel seems to retain heat better than my microbore.
Last Wednesday I used the heater to fill our backpack with hot water from my external hose port. At 8 on my Varistream, the heater wouldn't keep up with the heat demand of 55 degrees. It would manage, just, at a flow of 7.
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Have seen all the branded ones and the price differs a lot from these thermo pros https://pbautoelectrics.co.uk/product-category/parts/heaters/webasto/webasto-water-heater-kits/webasto-thermo-pro-90-water-heater-kits/webasto-thermo-pro-90-window-cleaning-water-heater-kits/
But I suppose you get what you pay for and don't really see the point if water isn't that hot, I've 2 vans to put them into plus electric reels so just trying to keep cost down
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It was really the summer i wanted the hot water for to make the scrubbing of all the slug trails, bird poop and black dots from fly's etc easier to clean off. The Thermo pro 90 is coming in around £2k inc VAT per unit from company above which i think is reasonable enough but the only thing that is putting me of is they say water comes out of unit at 30-40 degree, do you that use this unit think that would be hot enough for extra scrubbing power?
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No, you need the 9.1kw heater. The 5kw version is not enough to make an appreciable difference. Also the company you are looking at does not seem to provide a cabinet to house the components..
I think you need to be good at diy to fit one yourself.
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No, you need the 9.1kw heater. The 5kw version is not enough to make an appreciable difference. Also the company you are looking at does not seem to provide a cabinet to house the components..
I think you need to be good at diy to fit one yourself.
........... or all the hoses and fittings to put everything together. And added to that is which wires to discard for a window cleaning application from the wiring harness.
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This is what it comes with and is a 9.1kw-
Our Webasto Thermo Pro 90 Window Cleaning 12v Hot Water Kit Includes
Webasto Diesel Thermo Pro 90 12v
2 x Plate heat exchanger (with mixers)
Wiring harness
Water hose kit & fittings
Fuel standpipe
Exhaust kit
Up to 3 Years Webasto Warranty
Additional fuel integration kit may be required – Please contact us for vehicle specific advice
Additional water hose maybe required dependant on how and where you mount the equipment
Additional Extras
Water Heater Multicontroller – 9030911D
Manual ON/OFF Rocker Switch – 9032550A
10L Aluminium Header Tank – 4111426A
Heating the water to right temperature was my main issue
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I'm currently looking a diesel heater too. What temp does yours get up to daz? I contacted a supplier and said Thier heater only put out water 30-40degree which would probably drop more it Travels along house. Have you any links for Thermo pro heater? TIA
65-70c at brush end with hose on the reel...too hot to keep my hand under it.less with hose out on a cold day.
In summer even hotter..I have to turn it off on the really warm days as its too hot to even hold the hose by lunchtime!
Mines a 9kw thermo Pro 90
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I have the Grippa 2 man heater and like Daz I can’t understand all this 30-40 degree business,mine is also too hot to hold your hand underneath for more than a few seconds with 100 meters out and 40ft of pole hose.
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The reality is that a single operator can run the diesel heater hotter. If you have two operators both using hot water, you won't get steaming hot water.
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I have 2 reels and 1 of them is slightly hotter than the other,I’ve had a 5kw and it was more than sufficient especially if you return to tank between jobs but the 9kw with a single user should and does give me very hot water. If 40 degrees is not being able to hold hand under it then I’m getting 40 degrees lol,obviously it drops with the more hose out but with 20-30 meters out I’m getting 60 degrees measured with a TDS meter with temp feature.
I would always go for the 2 man though like I say hotter water with an option for 2 people working with it,the same goes for system in general far better to have it all setup for 2 people even if you are on your own if something goes wrong you have a spare reel-pump and the option to have help when you want from that van.
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Were did you buy yours Daz? Unless guy who sent email got it wrong
Wayne,
Thank you for your call and your enquiry ref the Webasto window cleaning kits.
Please see links to the x2 Pro 90 kits and x1 Thermo Top Evo 5 kit listed on our website here:
https://pbautoelectrics.co.uk/product-category/parts/heaters/webasto/webasto-water-heater-kits/webasto-thermo-pro-90-water-heater-kits/webasto-thermo-pro-90-window-cleaning-water-heater-kits/
The Pro 90 kits have a 9kW output and come with x2 plate heat exchangers. The Thermo Top Evo 5 kit has a 5kW output and 1 x plate heat exchanger.
(temp output of approx 30-40 degrees subject to ambient temperature, pump flow and pipe length).
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I agree with the above comments I have the Grippatank 9 kw two man set up and regularly have 60-70 degrees at the brush head obviously on a freezing cold day with 100 meters of hose out it’s less but still makes a big difference to the clean , also have 3 Ionic’s thermopures in other vans and they get Evan hotter as it’s only one heat exchanger not two , ware in the country are you ? You are welcome to look and use ours if near Cornwall to try it out .
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Were did you buy yours Daz? Unless guy who sent email got it wrong
Wayne,
Unless you are very good at diy it will be difficult fit it all yourself ime very mechanical minded and could do it but it’s much easier to have it all fitted into a cabinet neat and tidy
Thank you for your call and your enquiry ref the Webasto window cleaning kits.
Please see links to the x2 Pro 90 kits and x1 Thermo Top Evo 5 kit listed on our website here:
https://pbautoelectrics.co.uk/product-category/parts/heaters/webasto/webasto-water-heater-kits/webasto-thermo-pro-90-water-heater-kits/webasto-thermo-pro-90-window-cleaning-water-heater-kits/
The Pro 90 kits have a 9kW output and come with x2 plate heat exchangers. The Thermo Top Evo 5 kit has a 5kW output and 1 x plate heat exchanger.
(temp output of approx 30-40 degrees subject to ambient temperature, pump flow and pipe length).
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Thanks for the offer but I'm in Northern Ireland. Will give them a ring on Monday and ask about it again, could be in winter with hose out full length and just covering themselves.
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The OP has not even replied.... ::)roll
Why post in the first place?we could of helped him with his diesel heater issues....
He posted this on the 8th Feb and he hasn't logged back on since.
Still hasn't logged on since his last post 8th Feb