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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: H MAN on January 28, 2023, 09:49:56 pm
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Hilti Exo-S Exoskeleton while Water fed Pole Window Cleaning - A Real Game-changer!!
https://youtu.be/SrwC7LBPGNw
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679960865_HILTI2.jpg)
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I couldn’t sleep dressed like that.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1674950093_Untitled 3.jpg)
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Believe there's Now a
Exo-S-2 is the Newer Version.
Only Released January 1st, 2023.
It’s Geared more Towards having the “Powerband” start when the Humorous is vertical to the ground and up to Parallel.
That is Much More Advantageous for Window Cleaners, both Traditional with Squeegees and Water Fed Pole Work.
PLUS, it has a Head Rest Option to Rest your Head while Looking Up.
That is Amazing and if you are a Serious Water Fed Poler then you Know what I Mean.
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I can see them selling like hot cakes.
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I think the newest version has a built in cassette tiolet.
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I’m only a lightweight water fed poler not a serious one.
if you are a Serious Water Fed Poler then you Know what I Mean.
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‘A head rest option while looking up’.
That’s remarkable. Pull up a chair, have a kip, game of cards, sup a pint of Brown Ale all while out cleaning windows.
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So what's it used for then?
Looked like he was trying to have a dance in the vid ;D
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You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.
Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.
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Not sure about changing the industry, the only thing it will change for me is my underpants, because I've been laughing so much. ;D ;D
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So what's it used for then?
Looked like he was trying to have a dance in the vid ;D
I thought he was trying to rub one out to be honest.
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No good for a domestic splash and dasher, imagine tearing about in and out of the van with that on.
Might have its uses in the commercial world.
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On a slightly more serious note, a quick Google says that this type of 'aid' has to be approved by the medical profession in the UK;
I am guessing that no approval has been assigned?
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No it’s a gimmick that only geeks would consider buying will never catch on
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No
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See Below a Up Dated Picture of it With a Neck Support on it.
(https://scontent.fsyd7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/327766192_1184720002167425_3219120385757234079_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zrHjECkB7BYAX8o-s_l&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd7-1.fna&oh=00_AfCUQdXiQRSMUbIUJ0JaE3H-4J9PcRVYJ_SUa9l95QnLoA&oe=63DC42DE)
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You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.
Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.
I Don't Think so.
The Problem is Not that you (Need more Muscles or Not.)
The Problem is that Human Resistance has a Limit not only on how much Weight to Carry,
But for How Long, what type of Load it is, at What Height and what Conditions, Etc.
Let's not Forget that Someone who Practices Physical Exercises does not Mean that they Can do a Better Job.
Than a Construction Man because the Physical Activity or Activities Carried Out are Not the Same.
Remember that More Force and Muscles does Not Mean More Resistance.
And Furthermore, in the Event that these Workers Could Actually do Physical Exercises.
Would they have the Time and the Necessary Strength after a Tiring Day at Work.
To do Even More Stressful and Heavy Exercise for just a Few Muscles?
I Don't Believe it.
In Addition, these Exoskeleton do not Replace Human Muscles or Strength.
They Help and Complement each other (Against Accidents) at work.
(Caused by Excess Weight or very Dangerous Activities in general)
for Workers in Certain Things.
Such as Exhausting and Very Uncomfortable Positions for the Human Body that Would Harm them in the (Long Term.)
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Ok Thankyou for everybody's input.
But if you have anything that you think is not right with this.
Don't ask me.
If you have any questions you might be better to send you questions here.
https://www.hilti.ca/content/hilti/W1/CA/en/support/support/sales-channels/customer-service.html
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Believe there's Now a
Exo-S-2 is the Newer Version.
Only Released January 1st, 2023.
It’s Geared more Towards having the “Powerband” start when the Humorous is vertical to the ground and up to Parallel.
That is Much More Advantageous for Window Cleaners, both Traditional with Squeegees and Water Fed Pole Work.
PLUS, it has a Head Rest Option to Rest your Head while Looking Up.
That is Amazing and if you are a Serious Water Fed Poler then you Know what I Mean.
1. Is that a new funny bone?
2. If this is by Hilti I would take it seriously. If I had a worker on (say) several high rise blocks on one site most of his working days then I would look at it seriously.
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Ok Thankyou for everybody's input.
But if you have anything that you think is not right with this.
Don't ask me.
If you have any questions you might be better to send you questions here.
https://www.hilti.ca/content/hilti/W1/CA/en/support/support/sales-channels/customer-service.html
Don't be disheartened Herman. I looked on the Hilti website and looked at the proposed applications. In a previous life I used to help install suspended ceilings from a platform and I can see this being used if you are wfp all day in one spot.
If I had hi-rise stuff on one site and at least a half day on the site then I would look seriously at it.
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I defo could see this being used by commercial window cleaners who wfp large buildings for hours at a time....its got to cut down on RSI....
Personally I wouldn't use it as I would have no need for it....
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You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.
Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.
I Don't Think so.
The Problem is Not that you (Need more Muscles or Not.)
The Problem is that Human Resistance has a Limit not only on how much Weight to Carry,
But for How Long, what type of Load it is, at What Height and what Conditions, Etc.
Let's not Forget that Someone who Practices Physical Exercises does not Mean that they Can do a Better Job.
Than a Construction Man because the Physical Activity or Activities Carried Out are Not the Same.
Remember that More Force and Muscles does Not Mean More Resistance.
And Furthermore, in the Event that these Workers Could Actually do Physical Exercises.
Would they have the Time and the Necessary Strength after a Tiring Day at Work.
To do Even More Stressful and Heavy Exercise for just a Few Muscles?
I Don't Believe it.
In Addition, these Exoskeleton do not Replace Human Muscles or Strength.
They Help and Complement each other (Against Accidents) at work.
(Caused by Excess Weight or very Dangerous Activities in general)
for Workers in Certain Things.
Such as Exhausting and Very Uncomfortable Positions for the Human Body that Would Harm them in the (Long Term.)
Since when have you been an expert in the field of arthritic sufferers? How can you dismiss that wearing splints long term does more harm than good, interested to hear how you come to that conclusion?
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We do commercial work all day on up to 7 floors high and certainly wouldn’t use it , I think it would cause pressure soars , or blisters for starters ,hilti are a good firm but think they have got this one drastically wrong
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We do commercial work all day on up to 7 floors high and certainly wouldn’t use it , I think it would cause pressure soars , or blisters for starters ,hilti are a good firm but think they have got this one drastically wrong
Dont knock it until you ve tried it.....it might be fantastic for high level work which lets face it is hard work even with the best poles on the market
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You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.
Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.
I Don't Think so.
The Problem is Not that you (Need more Muscles or Not.)
The Problem is that Human Resistance has a Limit not only on how much Weight to Carry,
But for How Long, what type of Load it is, at What Height and what Conditions, Etc.
Let's not Forget that Someone who Practices Physical Exercises does not Mean that they Can do a Better Job.
Than a Construction Man because the Physical Activity or Activities Carried Out are Not the Same.
Remember that More Force and Muscles does Not Mean More Resistance.
And Furthermore, in the Event that these Workers Could Actually do Physical Exercises.
Would they have the Time and the Necessary Strength after a Tiring Day at Work.
To do Even More Stressful and Heavy Exercise for just a Few Muscles?
I Don't Believe it.
In Addition, these Exoskeleton do not Replace Human Muscles or Strength.
They Help and Complement each other (Against Accidents) at work.
(Caused by Excess Weight or very Dangerous Activities in general)
for Workers in Certain Things.
Such as Exhausting and Very Uncomfortable Positions for the Human Body that Would Harm them in the (Long Term.)
Since when have you been an expert in the field of arthritic sufferers? How can you dismiss that wearing splints long term does more harm than good, interested to hear how you come to that conclusion?
Not a Expert on Arthritis.
But believe having had Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 35 years
I know how disablytating it can be.
And as everyone knows most of the Videos I done.
Is always related to griping handles because of Arthritis in the Hands & Wrist.
As said before put on YouTube.
For the benefit of people that have this, so to at least be able to work more easily.
If I find anything that MAY help anyone in what they do in the way of WC.
Put it up on Forums etc..
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We do commercial work all day on up to 7 floors high and certainly wouldn’t use it , I think it would cause pressure soars , or blisters for starters ,hilti are a good firm but think they have got this one drastically wrong
Dont knock it until you ve tried it.....it might be fantastic for high level work which lets face it is hard work even with the best poles on the market
I don’t go to the gym like you but I don’t need some ridiculous contraption to clean Windows , I would like to see a risk assessment for the use of it , especially if someone got injured or if it broke whilst using it .
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Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.
Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger) are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.
Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.
Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675124196_POLE CONTROL.jpg)(http://)
Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.
Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger) are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.
Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.
Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.
Now we are talking about the griping of the poles which is a good point .
As griping has nothing to do with lifting the pole UP/ DOWN easier, other not losing your grip on the pole.
Many years ago there were a few devices that had a few solutions like in the VIDEO BELOW.
And possibly be a good commination with this lifting device.
Easy Grip & Easy Lifting.
Gardiner Pole Control Bars
https://youtu.be/tLUTQv8twBM
Gardiner Ultimate Control Bar System
https://youtu.be/JAjdPdCLqY4
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I don't believe Hilti would have released this without rigorous medical and legal input.
It's not designed for a specific occupation. But for overhead repetitive work.
And before dismissing it out of hand, if I had the kind of work that might justify its use I would investigate further.
Maybe we wouldn't have had WFP if we were of Luddite thinking.
We might even be driving cars without power steering or servo assisted brakes.
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I would like to see it in use for a few years, before I made an informed decision.
My concern is that, yes, it may help reduce the pressure in one area of the body, but then that pressure has to be compensated for somewhere else in the body. It straps around the neck area, attaches at the elbows, the waste and levers at the shoulders; after a year of use, will those areas of the body now suffer because of the extra strain... and what problems would that cause?
It's a shame, but the images don't really inspire confidence in the product; (it just looks cheap and tacky) and the video is all but useless in giving any information.
I genuinely admire people who can come up with these ideas to help make people's lives easier, but I think the execution of this product and it's marketing does not inspire any confidence in me.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675124196_POLE CONTROL.jpg)(http://)Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.
Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger) are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.
Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.
Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.
Now we are talking about the griping of the poles which is a good point .
As griping has nothing to do with lifting the pole UP/ DOWN easier, other not losing your grip on the pole.
Many years ago there were a few devices that had a few solutions like in the VIDEO BELOW.
And possibly be a good commination with this lifting device.
Easy Grip & Easy Lifting.
Gardiner Pole Control Bars
https://youtu.be/tLUTQv8twBM
Gardiner Ultimate Control Bar System
https://youtu.be/JAjdPdCLqY4
We use that pole it’s the Gardiner ultimate but don’t have the handles
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Not sure why you would do that if you could employ a 20 year old lad with half a brain and a desire for money ?
See Below a Up Dated Picture of it With a Neck Support on it.
(https://scontent.fsyd7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/327766192_1184720002167425_3219120385757234079_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zrHjECkB7BYAX8o-s_l&_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd7-1.fna&oh=00_AfCUQdXiQRSMUbIUJ0JaE3H-4J9PcRVYJ_SUa9l95QnLoA&oe=63DC42DE)
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height=562]http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675198208_POLE CONTROL4.jpg[/img]
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675124196_POLE CONTROL.jpg)Holding large round diameter poles for long periods puts an excessive strain on fingers, wrists, shoulders.
Oval shaped poles (Ova) and similar shapes (Unger) are improving reducing fatigue on the joints for sure.
Smaller diameter base sections along with combination poles which may be telescopic and modular add on extensions which keep the base diameter reduced to smaller diameters also help reduce fatigue and strains on wrists.
Lighter brush heads and higher carbon poles which improve rigidity are also a huge help in using less physical exertion.
Now we are talking about the griping of the poles which is a good point .
As griping has nothing to do with lifting the pole UP/ DOWN easier, other not losing your grip on the pole.
Many years ago there were a few devices that had a few solutions like in the VIDEO BELOW.
And possibly be a good commination with this lifting device.
Easy Grip & Easy Lifting.
Gardiner Pole Control Bars
https://youtu.be/tLUTQv8twBM
Gardiner Ultimate Control Bar System
https://youtu.be/JAjdPdCLqY4
We use that pole it’s the Gardiner ultimate but don’t have the handles
Yes those handles probably needed a few modification to be able to use them easily.
We Also did Something Simlar about 9 years ago.
It was Mainly for Trad Poles.
Althought it only had the Top Handle Grip.
Was not Fixed in One Place.
But Able to Swivel on the Pole as you are Holding it.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675198196_POLE CONTROL.3.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675198418_POLE CONTROL.2.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1675198436_POLE CONTROL4.jpg)
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Reading this thread got me thinking. I have a tin of baked beans in the larder. Been sat there for years but I’ve no idea how to open the tin. We need a tin opener device jobby to be invented for this very purpose.
Anyone want to invent one?
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So price wise believe it’s about $1700 Canadian or about 1040 Pound.
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I defo could see this being used by commercial window cleaners who wfp large buildings for hours at a time....its got to cut down on RSI....
Personally I wouldn't use it as I would have no need for it....
Yes it Would be Something Ultimate Pole Users like to have.
Less Likelihood of Having Long Term Injures
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Just hire powered access.
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Just hire powered access.
This
assuming there is enough room to set up
While this equipment may be of use to some sectors I think for window cleaning there will be alternatives like drones or a bot that can climb walls
Darran
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You only have to look through all the posts relating to PEOPLE HERE with SHOULDER PAIN To Know it is a Big problem.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=222477.msg2104058#msg2104058
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=222924.msg2118234#msg2118234
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=217072.msg1977160#msg1977160
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=38004.msg300821#msg300821
This is only some of the posts out of 90 plus.
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https://youtu.be/t6XiEHpZyVk
EXO-S Exoskeleton for overhead work
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1677136259_EXO-S Exoskeleton for overhead work.JPG)
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You could compare it to an arthritic sufferer wearing splints. Initially helps but the more you rely on splints, the weaker the muscles become leaving you weaker. Only way to overcome it is to dismiss the splints, harder initially, but with time muscles strengthen, hence no need for splints.
Same applies with this apparatus. Good technically on paper, but in the real world, useless, serves no long term purpose. If you had to rely on this apparatus to work, it would be time to call it a day in this career and look elsewhere.
Agree with this.
Whatever supports you will make you weaker.
It's like over-engineered 'supportive' running shoes with stuff like 'arch support'.
An arch is always stronger when weight is placed upon it; supporting the arch of a foot will only weaken the foot muscles.
Same principle applies here.
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A zimmer frame may help a man walk but try running a marathon with it ;D
Anything that helps support the shoulder is great in theory but it has to be practical.
As an oap in Australia you might be ok cleaning 2 or 3 houses a day and have time to strap on some weird contraption but here in the UK it's not like that. I'd have half the house cleaned before you've got the thing on ;D
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Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.
If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.
In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.
For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.
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No
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Could be handy for gutter/fascia cleaning for the over 60’s
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Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.
If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.
In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.
For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.
We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue all the staff are the same no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂
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Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.
If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.
In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.
For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.
We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue all the staff are the same no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂
Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
::)roll
I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet :D
Darran
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Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.
If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.
In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.
For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.
We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue all the staff are the same no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂
Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
::)roll
I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet :D
Darran
Fsg is a killer though to be fair. 3 hours at that and I wouldn't want to be doing anything else for the day.
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Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.
If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.
In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.
For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.
We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue all the staff are the same no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂
Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
::)roll
I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet :D
Darran
Fsg is a killer though to be fair. 3 hours at that and I wouldn't want to be doing anything else for the day.
Lol we do gfs cleans for 8 hour day it’s harder work than windows but not that hard , doing commercial buildings that are 50 feet high and 300 meters long and corrugated now that’s hard work but still do full days at it as I said ones are becoming work shy and wimps 💪💪💪
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I used to do 2 regular in a day + several window cleans
no one should be cream crackered after. single s/f/g clean
Darran
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Not everyone has the robust good health of others and if something can keep someone or their staff working productively and without injuries then surely that's a good thing.
It certainly won't change the industry but it may have a place.
It's why some use extremes over slx's and electric reels or lighter hose.
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Not everyone has the robust good health of others and if something can keep someone or their staff working productively and without injuries then surely that's a good thing.
It certainly won't change the industry but it may have a place.
It's why some use extremes over slx's and electric reels or lighter hose.
Don’t mention electric reels :-X :-X
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The point here is that this is going help reduce fatigue and shoulder strain in the long run.
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Yeabbut its not going to change the industry is it. The odd punter wearing it on the odd day isn't exactly 'industry changing...'.
Waterfed pole is industry changing, internal combustion engine is industry changing, penicillin is industry changing. This is more Sam Smith than Freddie Mercury.
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So this device is to avoid this happening.
And as you probably know already, once this happens .
You can give cleaning windows a miss.
Can a rotator cuff tear heal on its own?
Image result for rotator cuff tear
In most rotator cuff tears, the muscle partially or fully tears away from the bone.
Rotator cuff tears won't heal on their own.
You'll need rotator cuff repair to restore your shoulder joint.
A shoulder surgeon is the perfect physician to see for rotator cuff injuries.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1677284173_ROTATOR CUFF.jpg)
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Your knees could fall apart too should I start wearing splints before it’s too late?
Mosts wfp’s don’t actually hold the pole above their heads to clean windows but much lower down.
Cleaning gutters messed my shoulders up (unsupported weight) I simply don’t do them anymore and they recovered.
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Your knees could fall apart too should I start wearing splints before it’s too late?
Mosts wfp’s don’t actually hold the pole above their heads to clean windows but much lower down.
Cleaning gutters messed my shoulders up (unsupported weight) I simply don’t do them anymore and they recovered.
Glad you had a lucky escape. Others may not be so lucky. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
The problem with many posts on here is they come across as YES or NO. The right answer IMO is ...
It won't change the industry but it has it's place. Think about it - it's made by Hilti - so they have carpenters and first fixers and general building workers using heavy equipment likely on one site for a few hours at a time so they know what they are on about.
With pensions kicking in later and later - 67 soon and 68 on the horizon, people are going to retiring later. I see a use for this.
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I can see a plasterer might use one but how long the mechanicals would last in that environment would be anyone’s guess.
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Not just window cleaning but thinking about several repetitive shoulder use occupations I wonder if it will help with RSI issues and for example occasional use on specific jobs.
If I had a day's work regularly doing a block of say 5 storey flats with 40 - 60ft poles for the highest floors I would definitely consider it.
In a previous life I worked on suspended ceilings from time to time and if your arms are above your head much of the day I can see a benefit.
For most everyday window cleaners I can't see it being any use as any job less than two hours at high level might not warrant its use.
We do blocks of flats 6-7 storey every 6 weeks ime 60 and use a 75 foot pole for half a day at a time ,yes it’s harder work than 2 storey but don’t find it an issue all the staff are the same no one complains they just get on with it , I think the younger generation are becoming weak and lazy , I certainly wouldn’t entertain that contraption if I found the work to hard I would give the jobs we do up I feel it’s good exercise I certainly don’t need to go to the gym and am far stronger than many who do 😂😂😂
Absolutely - I have a guy he's 28 - 6 foot 2 - plays rugby and has done door bouncer work he had a 3 hr s/f/g job last Friday - Monday rings in sick - I was too tired doing that job - it really was a 2 man job you know
::)roll
I don't think he's going to last - were not even busy, busy yet :D
Darran
He's testing you and obviously conscious of how much physical effort he feels your job is worth. I'd watch that one if I was you, make sure his attitude doesn't rub off on other members of staff who are grafters
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Hilti Exo-S Exoskeleton while Waterfed Pole Window Cleaning - A Real Game-changer!!
https://youtu.be/SrwC7LBPGNw
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679693273_HILTI2.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679693297_HILTI.jpg)
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Hilti Exo-S Exoskeleton while Waterfed Pole Window Cleaning - A Real Game-changer!!
https://youtu.be/SrwC7LBPGNw
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679693273_HILTI2.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679693297_HILTI.jpg)
A real game changer ?…. On a 3 storey building I don’t think so , by the time he’s strapped that on his arms and back we would have finished that and be on to the next job , I don’t see it catching on in this country .
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Certainly cuts out RSI ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What sort of glasses are those? Are they connected to his moustache?
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This will bring more ladies into the industry?? ;D
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What sort of glasses are those? Are they connected to his moustache?
Think they are called belays or something like that
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Certainly cuts out RSI ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
" It probable will but some people DON'T GET IT".
Until it affects them later down the track.
But then it's too late to fix the RSI.
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Hilti EXO-S Exoskeleton designed for overhead work - HOW TO ADJUST AND FIT https://youtu.be/miWWEHsfYwg
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679807912_UntADJUST.jpg)
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Do you wear one Herman?
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maybe if you were all day on high rise commercial it would be worth a go
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Do you wear one Herman?
No he doesn’t I asked that a while ago , don’t think he could afford the price 😂😂😂
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1679877547_work smarter.jpg)
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Well?
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What sort of glasses are those? Are they connected to his moustache?
Think they are called belays or something like that
Yes they are - rock climbers use them so if you are stood at the bottom of a cliff and looking up a lot or using ropes it saves on neck strain. I have a set that clip to my glasses so that when I am -say- down the side of a Victorian 4 storey house I can work the top and third floor without stretching my neck back. I also use them on a three storey commercial too.
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What sort of glasses are those? Are they connected to his moustache?
Think they are called belays or something like that
Yes they are - rock climbers use them so if you are stood at the bottom of a cliff and looking up a lot or using ropes it saves on neck strain. I have a set that clip to my glasses so that when I am -say- down the side of a Victorian 4 storey house I can work the top and third floor without stretching my neck back. I also use them on a three storey commercial too.
I did try a pair at a window cleaning show but didn’t like them