Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: edd on January 21, 2023, 11:33:48 am
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Has anyone with a gas hot water heater managed to use it for a 2 man set up any pic’s would be appreciated. Been using it for years for 1 person but now need it for 2 people . I’ve tried different plumbing methods but no success
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I don't recall ever seeing any posts on the subject - will a simple tee joint work?
Darran
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Has anyone with a gas hot water heater managed to use it for a 2 man set up any pic’s would be appreciated. Been using it for years for 1 person but now need it for 2 people . I’ve tried different plumbing methods but no success
Someone on one of the forums many years ago just added a second gas boiler. He joined the exhaust pipes together and used one exhaust through the roof.
His setup looked very impressive, but we never heard much about how successfully it worked in practice.
I'm guessing you could follow the same principle as a diesel heater with a header tank, a 12v water circulation pump, and 2 heat exchangers with thermostatic mixer valves. Water gets pumped through the gas heater from the header tank, through the 2 heat exchangers and back to the header tank. Each operator's pump will get connected to each heat exchanger, and this will zap heat from the internal heated circuit to the water being sent to the brush head. The header tank will need to be higher than the gas boiler, which could mean the header tank is close to your van's roof. This will make topping up difficult.
The gas heater will work for its statutory 20 minutes and then switch off. You will have to manually restart it.
Would it be worth the expense and hassle? I doubt it.
Another way would be to use your gas boiler to heat the water in the tank that both operators can use. Again you will need a 12v circulation pump and be able to take water from the tank, heat it and then return it to the tank. This pump would need to have the ability to suck, as I'm sure the heater will normally be higher than the water level in the tank.
One of the downsides is that hot water doesn't mix with cold water. When my diesel heater bleeds hot water back to my tank, the water is hot in one corner at the top and the water in the rest of the tank is cold.
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If it is the one i remember it was a Citroen Dispatch with a bespoke tank from and looked good. It is still on the www.plasticwatertanks.co.uk website. I seem to recall the van being in the for sale section not so long after though.
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Like spruce said I have only Hurd of ones having one gas boiler per pole don’t know of anyone who runs 2 poles from one boiler
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Is the boiler before of after the pump ?
Darran
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Has anyone with a gas hot water heater managed to use it for a 2 man set up any pic’s would be appreciated. Been using it for years for 1 person but now need it for 2 people . I’ve tried different plumbing methods but no success
Personally I'd fit an immersion instead and heat the water up overnight.gas water heaters can be dangerous.
Either that or get a 2 man diesel heater installed
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Has anyone with a gas hot water heater managed to use it for a 2 man set up any pic’s would be appreciated. Been using it for years for 1 person but now need it for 2 people . I’ve tried different plumbing methods but no success
Someone on one of the forums many years ago just added a second gas boiler. He joined the exhaust pipes together and used one exhaust through the roof.
His setup looked very impressive, but we never heard much about how successfully it worked in practice.
I'm guessing you could follow the same principle as a diesel heater with a header tank, a 12v water circulation pump, and 2 heat exchangers with thermostatic mixer valves. Water gets pumped through the gas heater from the header tank, through the 2 heat exchangers and back to the header tank. Each operator's pump will get connected to each heat exchanger, and this will zap heat from the internal heated circuit to the water being sent to the brush head. The header tank will need to be higher than the gas boiler, which could mean the header tank is close to your van's roof. This will make topping up difficult.
The gas heater will work for its statutory 20 minutes and then switch off. You will have to manually restart it.
Would it be worth the expense and hassle? I doubt it.
Another way would be to use your gas boiler to heat the water in the tank that both operators can use. Again you will need a 12v circulation pump and be able to take water from the tank, heat it and then return it to the tank. This pump would need to have the ability to suck, as I'm sure the heater will normally be higher than the water level in the tank.
One of the downsides is that hot water doesn't mix with cold water. When my diesel heater bleeds hot water back to my tank, the water is hot in one corner at the top and the water in the rest of the tank is cold.
what about extending the inlet to bottom of the tank that should help heating the hole tank !
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Gas heaters are temperamental with flow I don’t think it will work running to poles off it
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Is the boiler before of after the pump ?
Darran
it will be before heater
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Why don’t you buy a portable diesel heater Streamline have just started selling them at 12k a pop 🤣🤣.
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Why don’t you buy a portable diesel heater Streamline have just started selling them at 12k a pop 🤣🤣.
🤣🤣
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Has anyone with a gas hot water heater managed to use it for a 2 man set up any pic’s would be appreciated. Been using it for years for 1 person but now need it for 2 people . I’ve tried different plumbing methods but no success
Someone on one of the forums many years ago just added a second gas boiler. He joined the exhaust pipes together and used one exhaust through the roof.
His setup looked very impressive, but we never heard much about how successfully it worked in practice.
I'm guessing you could follow the same principle as a diesel heater with a header tank, a 12v water circulation pump, and 2 heat exchangers with thermostatic mixer valves. Water gets pumped through the gas heater from the header tank, through the 2 heat exchangers and back to the header tank. Each operator's pump will get connected to each heat exchanger, and this will zap heat from the internal heated circuit to the water being sent to the brush head. The header tank will need to be higher than the gas boiler, which could mean the header tank is close to your van's roof. This will make topping up difficult.
The gas heater will work for its statutory 20 minutes and then switch off. You will have to manually restart it.
Would it be worth the expense and hassle? I doubt it.
Another way would be to use your gas boiler to heat the water in the tank that both operators can use. Again you will need a 12v circulation pump and be able to take water from the tank, heat it and then return it to the tank. This pump would need to have the ability to suck, as I'm sure the heater will normally be higher than the water level in the tank.
One of the downsides is that hot water doesn't mix with cold water. When my diesel heater bleeds hot water back to my tank, the water is hot in one corner at the top and the water in the rest of the tank is cold.
what about extending the inlet to bottom of the tank that should help heating the hole tank !
I could do that, but it's never been an issue tbh. It's not as though there is a stream of hot water entering the tank all the time.
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Why don’t you buy a portable diesel heater Streamline have just started selling them at 12k a pop 🤣🤣.
🤣🤣
I love the pricing on this fuel pickup.
https://www.streamline.systems/product/fuel-stand-pipe-for-fuel-containers/
and plus VAT and delivery.
compared to;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/GTIN-Eberspacher-Webasto-Diesel-Sender/dp/B09KM2BPLW/ref=sr_1_9?crid=21H7E89GPBVDD&keywords=webasto+fuel+pickup&qid=1674463529&quartzVehicle=1553-11917&replacementKeywords=webasto+fuel&sprefix=webasto+fuel+pickup%2Caps%2C84&sr=8-9
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Good old streamline 🤦♂️🤣
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Good old streamline 🤦♂️🤣
They aren't after the likes of you and I to do business with. They are after business owners with a fleet of vans on the road who just want the system fitted/repaired to get back on the road asap. So those components will just be invoiced as part of the job.
Those prices are commercial prices; our prices are residential prices. There is usually a vast price difference between the 2 prices, even for the identical product. My brother drew my attention to that over 40 years ago and I've never forgotten it.
At one time Facelift carbon fibre poles were being sold at commercial prices which I couldn't afford. When Gardiners started supplying poles at a much cheaper 'residential' price, Facelift had to realign their prices from commercial to residential by reducing their prices. Facelift knew that if they didn't, commercial would just buy from Gardiner Pole Systems.