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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: zesty on December 13, 2022, 09:58:33 am
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Delivered tomorrow.
Gonna use it in the mornings to defrost the kit. Also gonna use it for the garage when I’m doing DIY ;D
Will probably now invest in a diesel system as well, perhaps in summer I’ll install one ready for the next winter. I’ve no idea how easy they are to self install?
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Delivered tomorrow.
Gonna use it in the mornings to defrost the kit. Also gonna use it for the garage when I’m doing DIY ;D
Will probably now invest in a diesel system as well, perhaps in summer I’ll install one ready for the next winter. I’ve no idea how easy they are to self install?
Better off getting one professionally fitted it’s more complicated than you think
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Most people put them behind the bulkhead exhaust down under the vehicle from there.
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any to look at on youtube van set ups
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Just re reading this if it’s an air heater they are simple to fit , if it’s a water heater it’s more complicated
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The 5kw is far simpler if you can DIY you need a cabinet though really.
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Air heater is for now - that’s easy.
But might buy a diesel hot water system this summer and fit myself, there’s absolutely no installation videos though.
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Externally from a cabinet or the cabinet it would come in you have to deal with an exhaust and fuel pump,the 5kw is a different unit far less daunting the burner unit is half the size and you only have 1 heat exchanger to deal with as well as half the piping.
When i had a 5kw it was easy to service items and fix leaky pipes etc as there’s plenty of room to get tools inside the cabinet,landscape 2 man heaters are cramped inside.
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Externally from a cabinet or the cabinet it would come in you have to deal with an exhaust and fuel pump,the 5kw is a different unit far less daunting the burner unit is half the size and you only have 1 heat exchanger to deal with as well as half the piping.
When i had a 5kw it was easy to service items and fix leaky pipes etc as there’s plenty of room to get tools inside the cabinet,landscape 2 man heaters are cramped inside.
Will be a 5kw one, as I’m not bothered by hot water, but more interested in keeping the water from freezing overnight, so the frost stat is the main thing for me. A bit of warm water is a benefit as well.
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Externally from a cabinet or the cabinet it would come in you have to deal with an exhaust and fuel pump,the 5kw is a different unit far less daunting the burner unit is half the size and you only have 1 heat exchanger to deal with as well as half the piping.
When i had a 5kw it was easy to service items and fix leaky pipes etc as there’s plenty of room to get tools inside the cabinet,landscape 2 man heaters are cramped inside.
Will be a 5kw one, as I’m not bothered by hot water, but more interested in keeping the water from freezing overnight, so the frost stat is the main thing for me. A bit of warm water is a benefit as well.
The air heaters are easy ti fit hardens part is dropping the fuel tank ti fit the standpipe , if you have a separate fuel tank inside the van it will stink the van out with the smell of diesel
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Yeah it does smell a bit if you have a separate diesel tank but they can be done to a more professional standard to help this being to bad,if you have a separate tank it won’t take long to fit.
I do anything and get anything that makes my day easier.
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I fit a air heater in mine with a tank in the van & it doesn’t smell of diesel
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I do anything and get anything that makes my day easier.
Winter tyres?
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Do the 5kw heaters not produce very hot water ?
Never really looked into hot water systems but everyone seems to use the 9kw ones.
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Yeah and them if I wanted em I’d get them I tell you they really helped a bloke I know,do you know he ploughed his way through 2 foot of snow in his winter tyres 🛞 only to get to a job that he couldn’t stand up cleaning lol.
There’s no way I’m going out in snow and ice to clean a few windows.
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They are easily hot enough they are adequate for a single user I used and serviced mine for over 10-12 years,the 9kw is a more powerful burner and is better suited to a 2 man system and if you use it as a 1 man the water is hotter than that of the 5kw in use.
The 5kw trust me is hot enough to crack glass easily I’ve done it,if you want very hot water from the 5kw recirculating the water between jobs increases it significantly.
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Externally from a cabinet or the cabinet it would come in you have to deal with an exhaust and fuel pump,the 5kw is a different unit far less daunting the burner unit is half the size and you only have 1 heat exchanger to deal with as well as half the piping.
When i had a 5kw it was easy to service items and fix leaky pipes etc as there’s plenty of room to get tools inside the cabinet,landscape 2 man heaters are cramped inside.
Will be a 5kw one, as I’m not bothered by hot water, but more interested in keeping the water from freezing overnight, so the frost stat is the main thing for me. A bit of warm water is a benefit as well.
The air heaters are easy ti fit hardens part is dropping the fuel tank ti fit the standpipe , if you have a separate fuel tank inside the van it will stink the van out with the smell of diesel
Was talking about the hot water system in that context.
The air heater is easy.
To clarify for the 9 millionth time.
I’m getting an AIR heater tomorrow.
The diesel hot water heater in summer ready for next winter.
;D
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PF appear to be out of stock on water heaters atm and I should think anyone who considers getting one gets it done in the summer so they have plenty of time to get to grips with it ready for the cold snap in the winter where it comes in so handy.
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Externally from a cabinet or the cabinet it would come in you have to deal with an exhaust and fuel pump,the 5kw is a different unit far less daunting the burner unit is half the size and you only have 1 heat exchanger to deal with as well as half the piping.
When i had a 5kw it was easy to service items and fix leaky pipes etc as there’s plenty of room to get tools inside the cabinet,landscape 2 man heaters are cramped inside.
Will be a 5kw one, as I’m not bothered by hot water, but more interested in keeping the water from freezing overnight, so the frost stat is the main thing for me. A bit of warm water is a benefit as well.
I would spend the extra and get the 9kw. At least then you will have the option of using properly hot water if you wish.
IMO the 5kw does not quite cut it.
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Yeah I would go for the 9kw you’ll get hotter water the price difference is not enough imo to favour the 5kw over the 9 even if you work alone really.
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In terms of the plumbing, what goes into it? Is it pretty simple?
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Cold water in to heater hot water out to reel you
Can fit an overflow to tank but I wouldn’t bother I would fit a female EZ to the top of the tank for recirculating.
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So to recircualte, it’s just hose reel into tank overnight.
Two batteries needed?
Sounds very simple, I’d opt to use a separate fuel tank for it for simplicity as well.
Can’t see why this can’t be done diy…
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I fit a air heater in mine with a tank in the van & it doesn’t smell of diesel
What tank have you fitted please? Perhaps a photo please? Thanks
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You can DIY it but it’s a lot easier with a 5kw inside a cabinet trust me the fuel pump can be fitted anywhere you get a long section of fuel line when you buy the kit,the Webasto 5kw kit could be purchased for around 1200 notes a couple of years ago but like I said the cabinet the window cleaning manufacturers have made makes it a lot easier to install.
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You can DIY it but it’s a lot easier with a 5kw inside a cabinet trust me the fuel pump can be fitted anywhere you get a long section of fuel line when you buy the kit,the Webasto 5kw kit could be purchased for around 1200 notes a couple of years ago but like I said the cabinet the window cleaning manufacturers have made makes it a lot easier to install.
I have just bought a new Wabasto 9 kw complete boiler with fuel pump for around £1400
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There you go saved you 1000s then.
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"I have just bought a new Wabasto 9 kw complete boiler with fuel pump for around £1400"
that's a big saving !
may I ask where from ?
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"I have just bought a new Wabasto 9 kw complete boiler with fuel pump for around £1400"
that's a big saving !
may I ask where from ?
A mate of mine is a marine electrician he got it through his company from butler technic
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Yeah Butler Tecknik that’s where i saw them I believe at some point,do they not sell to the public Splash the other company I looked on a while ago did I’m sure.
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Cold water in to heater hot water out to reel you
Can fit an overflow to tank but I wouldn’t bother I would fit a female EZ to the top of the tank for recirculating.
Not quite ...... cold water from tank into heat exchanger , other end of heat exchanger out to pole. The heater itself has a closed system with antifreeze in .
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You can DIY it but it’s a lot easier with a 5kw inside a cabinet trust me the fuel pump can be fitted anywhere you get a long section of fuel line when you buy the kit,the Webasto 5kw kit could be purchased for around 1200 notes a couple of years ago but like I said the cabinet the window cleaning manufacturers have made makes it a lot easier to install.
Absolute tosh , the 9kw is just as easy to fit as a 5 kw , exactly the same principle .
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Yeah ok we will ask someone on here to fit one from scratch with no cabinet lol what a complete tool of a comment,someone with good DIY skills would struggle.
And as for saying not quiet hose to this to that is just like being the girl at school that used to pinch me 😂,get a grip man DIY a 9kw look at a 5kw internally over a 9 with the 9 being in a landscape cabinet and the 5 being in an upright,think what you like about me my boy I’ve had hot water Webasto units for over 16 years lol.
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Yeah Butler Tecknik that’s where i saw them I believe at some point,do they not sell to the public Splash the other company I looked on a while ago did I’m sure.
Yes they do sell to the public but he has an account with them and gets trade discount
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You can DIY it but it’s a lot easier with a 5kw inside a cabinet trust me the fuel pump can be fitted anywhere you get a long section of fuel line when you buy the kit,the Webasto 5kw kit could be purchased for around 1200 notes a couple of years ago but like I said the cabinet the window cleaning manufacturers have made makes it a lot easier to install.
Absolute tosh , the 9kw is just as easy to fit as a 5 kw , exactly the same principle .
Same principal but double the hoses , heat exchangers and more space needed
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Yeah it’s the same “principle “ I’d like to see someone fit one in the van with no cabinet let me know when that’s going live,be worth a watch.
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Delivered tomorrow.
Gonna use it in the mornings to defrost the kit. Also gonna use it for the garage when I’m doing DIY ;D
Will probably now invest in a diesel system as well, perhaps in summer I’ll install one ready for the next winter. I’ve no idea how easy they are to self install?
I don't think you ll be able to fit a diesel heater yourself without specialist knowledge mate....
You ll need to drill the van floor for exhaust and air inlet,drop the fuel tank to integrate the fuel pipe into the fuel sender,a cabinet to house your pump,controller,heat exchangers,header tank,webasto heater,wiring,and a decent split charge relay(or battery to battery charger depending on van).it's a lot more complicated than you think!
I wouldn't bother with the 5kw heater.id go for the webasto thermo pro 90....
The 5kw just doesn't get the water hot enough.the 9kw is the way to go.
I've had my hot system 5 years now and don't regret it one bit despite the cost of installation and ongoing running costs..
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🧱 🧱 you talking to these again Daz are you.
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I've fitted a stainless steel marine grade calorifier 200 litre tank with accumulator tank wired into the van radiator in a previous vehicle, that was the hottest water heater going when driving and topped up with electric if need be, it was pretty cool. Did it years ago.
Sold the vehicle but kept the calorifier as I plan on using it for heating my water at home now I am in the process of setting up an additional on/off grid solar system over Xmas. Use 48 volt 3.5kW lithium phosphate 04 server rack batteries and don't plan on selling back to the grid hence wiring it all up so any excess solar gets used for heating calorifier but need a plumber to plumb it into my system and hopefully use it for my radiators eventually.
Fitted a diesel heater into a previous van quite complicated but ok if you come from an engineering background like myself.
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I've fitted a stainless steel marine grade calorifier 200 litre tank with accumulator tank wired into the van radiator in a previous vehicle, that was the hottest water heater going when driving and topped up with electric if need be, it was pretty cool. Did it years ago.
Sold the vehicle but kept the calorifier as I plan on using it for heating my water at home now I am in the process of setting up an additional on/off grid solar system over Xmas. Use 48 volt 3.5kW lithium phosphate 04 server rack batteries and don't plan on selling back to the grid hence wiring it all up so any excess solar gets used for heating calorifier but need a plumber to plumb it into my system and hopefully use it for my radiators eventually.
Fitted a diesel heater into a previous van quite complicated but ok if you come from an engineering background like myself.
Exactly....even you found it quite complicated!the average window cleaner(even if he has fairly good DIY skills)wouldn't stand a chance of doing a good job IMO....
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That’s pretty derogatory of you Daz
There are some really clever people on here that led a life before windows - unlike you and Nigel
Darran
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Lol thanks for that Darren
Nigel 🤣🤣
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My pleasure 😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
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That’s pretty derogatory of you Daz
There are some really clever people on here that led a life before windows - unlike you and Nigel
Darran
Nothing derogatory in what he said at all, I think he is correct in saying the average window cleaner wouldn’t be able to install a diesel hot water system into a van. Being really clever doesn’t mean you have the skills required for such a job.
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Define really clever if you will.
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Smudge was saying that you no longer lead a life when you become a window cleaner and he's right.
How many of us get to watch Loose Women these days?
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I would say you have more of a life if you define when you work over the chap you see sitting in the estate agents or similar,who’s the clever one the bloke that earns someone’s weekly wage in a day or the bloke that works all week for the same.
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I would say you have more of a life if you define when you work over the chap you see sitting in the estate agents or similar,who’s the clever one the bloke that earns someone’s weekly wage in a day or the bloke that works all week for the same.
Is it about the money or defining when you work?
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there you have it....
no where did I say being a window cleaner is not leading a life, however - many here did other things before window cleaning and that knowledge and skill is vast - from car and electrical knowledge through to innovation of a budget water heater the list goes go
And say I stand by what I say - because Daz and Nigel cant drill a hole or mount a tank then in their opinion anyone who's a shiner cant either, I give people more credit than that (see above)
As with any forum/profession there are a range of skills - technical, theoretical,practical - some are better than others at certain things - none of which makes anyone better than someone else.
Darran
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I’m sure Daz has mounted an old boiler or two.
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Can’t see what was derogatory in saying the average window cleaning couldn’t fit a diesel heater tbh, it’s just stating the obvious.
Maybe know it all Nigel should set up a sideline fitting these heaters when it’s too cold to work on the windows for his delicate hands….
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ok had a think - yes derogatory was probably the wrong word, - disrespectful is more like what I was looking for.
Sorry just cant abide these generalised sweeping statements that get flung out without people being able to back it up
Darran
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It really can’t be that complicated.
Most of the window cleaning suppliers sell them as a one box system.
Surely it cannot be that difficult to connect up to the system.
My diy knowledge is pretty good, ive renovated my house, new central hesting system, en suite from scratch including all soil pipe and ground works to man hole, new kitchen fitted etc etc. I’m no engineer, but I simply don’t understand how fitting a diesel hot water heater in the van with a few hoses is complicated?
I may be missing something, because there is very little information available on the fitting of these heaters. I am assuming (perhaps wrongly) it is a one box system with simple connections in > out > recirculate and then the electrics to the battery.
I’d like to know what is involved, I’m not going to tap into my van diesel tank, rather use its own small tank.
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It is worth considering how you are going to refill your separate tank. If you use your heater daily you are likely to have to refill it every 2 days. Not insurmountable but for me it seems a bit of a faff.
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there you have it....
no where did I say being a window cleaner is not leading a life, however - many here did other things before window cleaning and that knowledge and skill is vast - from car and electrical knowledge through to innovation of a budget water heater the list goes go
And say I stand by what I say - because Daz and Nigel cant drill a hole or mount a tank then in their opinion anyone who's a shiner cant either, I give people more credit than that (see above)
As with any forum/profession there are a range of skills - technical, theoretical,practical - some are better than others at certain things - none of which makes anyone better than someone else.
Darran
I was joking, Darran.
I agree with you, there are some very knowledgeable window cleaners on this forum alone.
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No problem - I always look forward to your posts
Darran
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It really can’t be that complicated.
Most of the window cleaning suppliers sell them as a one box system.
Surely it cannot be that difficult to connect up to the system.
My diy knowledge is pretty good, ive renovated my house, new central hesting system, en suite from scratch including all soil pipe and ground works to man hole, new kitchen fitted etc etc. I’m no engineer, but I simply don’t understand how fitting a diesel hot water heater in the van with a few hoses is complicated?
I may be missing something, because there is very little information available on the fitting of these heaters. I am assuming (perhaps wrongly) it is a one box system with simple connections in > out > recirculate and then the electrics to the battery.
I’d like to know what is involved, I’m not going to tap into my van diesel tank, rather use its own small tank.
Good luck with it then.... ;D
Don't forget you need to drill 2 holes in your van floor for exhaust and air inlet pipes
Having a separate tank will be a pain,much more convenient to just fill up from your existing fuel tank than carrying a Jerry can of diesel around with you....
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ok had a think - yes derogatory was probably the wrong word, - disrespectful is more like what I was looking for.
Sorry just cant abide these generalised sweeping statements that get flung out without people being able to back it up
Darran
I'm not saying some window cleaners wouldn't be able to fit one but if it was that easy we d all be fitting them ourselves...
Even guys with an engineering background find it fairly complicated!
No disrespect here or derogatory just realistic... :)
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It really can’t be that complicated.
Most of the window cleaning suppliers sell them as a one box system.
Surely it cannot be that difficult to connect up to the system.
My diy knowledge is pretty good, ive renovated my house, new central hesting system, en suite from scratch including all soil pipe and ground works to man hole, new kitchen fitted etc etc. I’m no engineer, but I simply don’t understand how fitting a diesel hot water heater in the van with a few hoses is complicated?
I may be missing something, because there is very little information available on the fitting of these heaters. I am assuming (perhaps wrongly) it is a one box system with simple connections in > out > recirculate and then the electrics to the battery.
I’d like to know what is involved, I’m not going to tap into my van diesel tank, rather use its own small tank.
Good luck with it then.... ;D
Don't forget you need to drill 2 holes in your van floor for exhaust and air inlet pipes
Having a separate tank will be a pain,much more convenient to just fill up from your existing fuel tank than carrying a Jerry can of diesel around with you....
A lot of that is very simple daz…
Plumbing wise, it also must be extremely simple…
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It’s not that simple m8 it may be for someone that has an engineering background or someone that’s very good at DIY but it’s not a get delivered and install by Joe Bloggs.
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Heres the guts of mine....
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Piece of p155 that. I’d have it plumbed in and boiling away within an hour ;D
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You need a good battery bank too.at least 2 x 105ah batteries in tandem and split charge relay or b to b charger
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Loads of room compared to my landscape 2 man.
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A lot of that gubbins is already in the box, so the actual unit already has much of the hard work done, can’t be that hard.
Saying all this, we’ll probably not have any more freezing weather and I’ll forget about the whole thing.
Diesel air heater worked a treat today. Put it on at 7am, whole system was defrosted in an hour and ready to work. Got a full day in. Great thing is because it’s linked up to my leisure battery, I can fire it up at work if needed.
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You need a good battery bank too.at least 2 x 105ah batteries in tandem and split charge relay or b to b charger
You talk like that’s all a mysterious magical thing - it’s all bog standard fitting
Darran
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Heres the guts of mine....
Is that your drum kit?
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You need a good battery bank too.at least 2 x 105ah batteries in tandem and split charge relay or b to b charger
You talk like that’s all a mysterious magical thing - it’s all bog standard fitting
Darran
Do you fit your own hot water systems Darran?
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I don't fit diesel ones as the cost far outweighs the benefit
but I fit water systems - immersion elements - repair/service pressure washers - high pressure pumps - hot boxes
2 of my guys are sh!t hot on mechanicals as well
Darran