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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Stoots on December 08, 2022, 08:36:13 am
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Haha
Defrosted all gear this morning. Got to first job turned water on no problems.
Pulled out 50m of hose started to clean and water slowed, stopped and the whole lot is now frozen. Gear slung back in van
What to do now :D
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Heater in van and will try from about 10am.
Not really comfortable leaving trails of ice all over the paths on todays work at these temps.
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Get the water flowing and then make sure you empty the hose if you want to attempt working tomorrow,if this was to happen a couple of weeks a year you’d lose the cost of a heater in earnings in a lot of cases.
Spoke to a guy last week when it wasn’t that cold moaning about the hose trying to get off the reel because it was like wire.
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I have salt in the back of the van that I put down over the access points to the property that I do,I always ask if I can do near the doors as some people don’t like treading it indoors.
Univalves come into there own in this weather also as you can minimise what’s splashing about over paths etc between windows.
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-3 here with wind chill of -6. Too cold to work on residential with hot or cold imo. Perfectly happy to wait an hour.
This is the first time I’ve lost a single £ to cold weather in almost 4 years, hardly an issue is it ;D
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Haha
Defrosted all gear this morning. Got to first job turned water on no problems.
Pulled out 50m of hose started to clean and water slowed, stopped and the whole lot is now frozen. Gear slung back in van
What to do now :D
What I used to do when I was a cold water cleaner in this weather is take an extra flask of hot water with me.
Used it for defrosting jets.you ll find that's what's stopped your water flow.
I'm off today as I'm going to Manchester for a meal with the missus this afternoon followed by the Lion King at the Palace theatre! 8)
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Heater in van and will try from about 10am.
Not really comfortable leaving trails of ice all over the paths on todays work at these temps.
I always have a sweeping brush and ice melt grit in the van in this weather.i also tend to cloth doors rather than use the pole unless their really dirty.
I also offer to grit sloping driveways,paths, etc to some of my elderly customers just as common courtesy really...
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I brought a 25l barrel with hot tap water in I've managed to defrost my reel now.
25ft pole is frozen solid but my 18 is working . Done 2 houses now 1st one every window sheet of ice lol but 2nd one was fine.
Sun's shining but still minus 2 according to van.
Will crack on then ;D
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I brought a 25l barrel with hot tap water in I've managed to defrost my reel now.
25ft pole is frozen solid but my 18 is working . Done 2 houses now 1st one every window sheet of ice lol but 2nd one was fine.
Sun's shining but still minus 2 according to van.
Will crack on then ;D
Have a good day Adam.... :)
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We used to use ice melt/rock salt on customers paths - then got a complaint that the custard walked it into their house and ruined the carpet - now front doors are trad in this weather and if it’s in the minus temp wise then we have a day off
Darran
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We used to use ice melt/rock salt on customers paths - then got a complaint that the custard walked it into their house and ruined the carpet - now front doors are trad in this weather and if it’s in the minus temp wise then we have a day off
Darran
I never grit unless I've agreed to do it as some customers don't want you to!
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Started at 8:30 as normal today. -4 degrees. :o
Doors get cleaned trad, and I use the expensive easy melt de icer on any puddles I leave on risky areas. They are very few and far between though.
Forecast is sub zero for two weeks up here in Scotland.
I had to get the hot water system up and running first thing at home because the hose would have froze on the ground. Once verything is warm then work is no problem, you just have to manage the ice.
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Started at 8:30 as normal today. -4 degrees. :o
Doors get cleaned trad, and I use the expensive easy melt de icer on any puddles I leave on risky areas. They are very few and far between though.
Forecast is sub zero for two weeks up here in Scotland.
I had to get the hot water system up and running first thing at home because the hose would have froze on the ground. Once verything is warm then work is no problem, you just have to manage the ice.
I always fire up my boiler straight after starting the van just before I drive to my first job of the day....
By the time I've got to my first job my hose reel is hot 🔥 🙂
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Started at 8:30 as normal today. -4 degrees. :o
Doors get cleaned trad, and I use the expensive easy melt de icer on any puddles I leave on risky areas. They are very few and far between though.
Forecast is sub zero for two weeks up here in Scotland.
I had to get the hot water system up and running first thing at home because the hose would have froze on the ground. Once verything is warm then work is no problem, you just have to manage the ice.
I always fire up my boiler straight after starting the van just before I drive to my first job of the day....
By the time I've got to my first job my hose reel is hot 🔥 🙂
It’s a necessity in this weather. Nothing worse than having all the gear and getting stumped because of a lump of ice in the pole hose or jet. It’s happened to me too many times to admit. ;D
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Started at 8:30 as normal today. -4 degrees. :o
Doors get cleaned trad, and I use the expensive easy melt de icer on any puddles I leave on risky areas. They are very few and far between though.
Forecast is sub zero for two weeks up here in Scotland.
I had to get the hot water system up and running first thing at home because the hose would have froze on the ground. Once verything is warm then work is no problem, you just have to manage the ice.
I always fire up my boiler straight after starting the van just before I drive to my first job of the day....
By the time I've got to my first job my hose reel is hot 🔥 🙂
It’s a necessity in this weather. Nothing worse than having all the gear and getting stumped because of a lump of ice in the pole hose or jet. It’s happened to me too many times to admit. ;D
I do it all year round(in the same order)
Start van
Fire up boiler
Drive to my first job
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Everytime the weather is like this i consider buying a heated system but when i do the maths i would have to be forced off work for like 3 months to pay for itself. Then the cost of maintenance and diesel to run it daily would never really be worth it.
I managed to get all my work done in the end today although i did nearly break my neck on a puddle i had created on a customers path this morning.
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
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You want to do the maths again then Stoots if you can’t afford a diesel heater.
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If Cost is an issue just fit a immersion Element.
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Can still work in minus five, minus six tomorrow, so nowhere with steps!
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You can work in minus 5,6,7,8 with Steps.
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You can work in minus 5,6,7,8 with Steps.
I can yes but if any of my senior customers tripped down pathway steps I couldn't forgive myself.
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You can work in minus 5,6,7,8 with Steps.
I can yes but if any of my senior customers tripped down pathway steps I couldn't forgive myself.
It'd be a Tragedy.
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;D
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Don't forget. It's actually zero temperature that freezes water, not wind chill.
But wind chill will reduce the temperature to what it actually is more quickly. (As in if you have an outside temperature of say -1 and water in your hose reel at 3 degrees and you put it outside in the wind then if there is a wind chill it will lose that temperature and drop more quickly to minus 1.)
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Are there people on this thread saying hot water doesn't freeze on cold surfaces?
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Are there people on this thread saying hot water doesn't freeze on cold surfaces?
Don’t think so……
But for me….. up to -4 is workable if I choose to with hot water.
Cold water on a frozen conservatory window = ice.
Hot water onto a frozen window thaws it out, allows you to clean, and at most some droplets will freeze after you’ve left.
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It goes from -1c next Friday to 10c on Saturday down here.
Hopefully, that was Winter.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670688186_A1A91A11-53F9-463B-812D-3319664D87CD.jpeg)
Back end of next week looks fun.
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I always disconnect poles and bring them in house for the night in this weather.......even been known to bring reel in but I have a small "shove everything in there room" for stuff like vacuum cleaner, ironing board etc.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670688186_A1A91A11-53F9-463B-812D-3319664D87CD.jpeg)
Back end of next week looks fun.
Don’t know ware you are in the country but the forecast for the south west is +5 to + 7 for that time glad ime down hear 😂😂😂
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
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Changed completely since my last post.
Previously a rather nice 10c by 9pm and now...still cold.
Also added is loads of snow on Wednesday.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670694708_aaaaaaaaaa.png)
That'll make it the coldest December in twelve years.
Oh, joy!
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
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Although…(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670700500_2CBAAA56-9A9C-4E23-8C51-1C7D76A62832.png)
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Looks like most of next week off..too many risks involved for me..leaving frozen water about,keeping
Van safely on the road etc..but each to their own..stay safe those working through it👍
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Same here I'm taking all next week off.
Live and work in county durham and the work that is due is either consett area ( the third highest market town in England) or up towards the moors around the A68.
Time to be sensible I think.
Anyway it's been a busy year and a week away from it won't hurt. The work will still be there once this cold spell clears ;D
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Man v Mother Nature?
I'll let her decide when I finish.
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Looks like a week of record days and massive tips coming up.
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I've been away for the weekend. Came back to a solidly frozen backpack, frozen reel hose, frozen pole hoses and ice sloshing around in the tank. I've put an oil filled radiator in the back and will leave it in there overnight. No cold weather is stopping me!
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All my hoses and pipe work froze on friday from the exit of the pumps onwards, strange because i think it only went to -3 on friday and last year it went to -4 or 5 and i didnt have a single issue.
So i wasnt really prepared for it freezing this year - again strange as only one van froze the other no issues at all and both parked beside each other.
Iv just spent the weekend striping all my van out and insulating
Took all ply off filled every gap i could with insulation then lined everything with loft insulation including the roof put the ply back on then lined this with the silver foil insulation and covered all pipes with foam insulation.
Im going to order one of the 5kw chinese deisel heaters but it will be good to see in the morning how the insulation has done on its own as its to go to -6 tonight
I think for the price of the heaters you cant go wrong they are around £150/£200
and iv already spent £180 0n insulation this weekend
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
Surely this is the most important thing, I can't think of many houses on my round that wouldn't become a big slip risk if I went ahead and washed the windows. I just don't see it's worth the risk. It'll be over in a week or so.
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Insulation will only work if the (higher) temperature inside it is kept high enough.
So if your van interior is hovering around zero you should put (say) an oil filled radiator inside.
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been so nice to hear the frost stat kick in on the heater all weekend when park on the drive
all ready to go in morning no issues
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
Surely this is the most important thing, I can't think of many houses on my round that wouldn't become a big slip risk if I went ahead and washed the windows. I just don't see it's worth the risk. It'll be over in a week or so.
I have an immersion fitted.
If I feel the need to work I would choose which windows to wash wfp. The front door I might trad clean and then I will use a broom and ice melt on any wet paths.
Obviously if I get below about -2 and if water is freezing on windows I am likely to be less inclined to clean at all.
A lot of my work is in surrounding villages to Bristol. Some is very close to the Severn estuary and some is in Bristol.
It can be minus 3 in the higher outlying villages, minus 1 by the Severn and zero in town. So I work differently depending on where my work is. The colder it is the more I start late/finish early, do trad. on some glass, use ice melt etc. Or not at all.
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
Surely this is the most important thing, I can't think of many houses on my round that wouldn't become a big slip risk if I went ahead and washed the windows. I just don't see it's worth the risk. It'll be over in a week or so.
I have an immersion fitted.
If I feel the need to work I would choose which windows to wash wfp. The front door I might trad clean and then I will use a broom and ice melt on any wet paths.
Obviously if I get below about -2 and if water is freezing on windows I am likely to be less inclined to clean at all.
A lot of my work is in surrounding villages to Bristol. Some is very close to the Severn estuary and some is in Bristol.
It can be minus 3 in the higher outlying villages, minus 1 by the Severn and zero in town. So I work differently depending on where my work is. The colder it is the more I start late/finish early, do trad. on some glass, use ice melt etc. Or not at all.
wimp get out and work you lazy sod
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
Surely this is the most important thing, I can't think of many houses on my round that wouldn't become a big slip risk if I went ahead and washed the windows. I just don't see it's worth the risk. It'll be over in a week or so.
I agree.
That and driving on side roads. We've got a plasterer coming round tomorrow and I might trad my bungalows after he gets here.
But then I might not. I'll see who's on Loose Women first.
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
No idea I've never used an immersion heater but my diesel heater means I have soft,warm,supple hoses and I can thaw out ice on glass,sills and frames.
Any water that lands on the ground can easily be swept away if needed and gritted.if it does freeze then you can thaw it out with more hot water and sweep it away quickly....
This very rarely happens though.if the ground is already icy then it doesn't matter.front doors are generally just scrimmed in this weather(most customers have wreaths up now anyway)and a lot of water ends up on grass and areas where the customers don't walk very often....
I always have ice melt grit in the van in weather like this...👍
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Might not be going anywhere today all my pipes into van are frozen solid. Think the heater needs to be on longer :)
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Estate roads look like this:
Another day by the fire I feel.(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670833792_F0F1A248-27CC-48AD-9BA8-5D094A673115.jpeg)
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Wow! Down south too.
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Might not be going anywhere today all my pipes into van are frozen solid. Think the heater needs to be on longer :)
I make a tent over the pump DI vessel and reels using a quilt and a couple of blankets to contain the heat where it's needed.
I'm currently using a 120W tube heater in there and it's about 5 degrees that's enough to stop it freezing.
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Might not be going anywhere today all my pipes into van are frozen solid. Think the heater needs to be on longer :)
I make a tent over the pump DI vessel and reels using a quilt and a couple of blankets to contain the heat where it's needed.
I'm currently using a 120W tube heater in there and it's about 5 degrees that's enough to stop it freezing.
I think it must have been frozen solid over the weekend and the heater hasn't been on long enough to thaw it. Heaters been on since 6 and still solid. Nevermind I didn't fancy it today anyway really good excuse.
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
No idea I've ever used an immersion heater but my diesel heater means I have soft,warm,supple hoses and I can thaw out ice on glass,sills and frames.
Any water that lands on the ground can easily be swept away if needed and gritted.if it does freeze then you can thaw it out with more hot water and sweep it away quickly....
This very rarely happens though.if the ground is already icy then it doesn't matter.front doors are generally just scrimmed in this weather(most customers have wreaths up now anyway)and a lot of water ends up on grass and areas where the customers don't walk very often....
I always have ice melt grit in the van in weather like this...👍
It does matter if there is ice on the ground. Unless you are clearing paths as you go.
This is more than a bit of cold weather and windows are not that important to me or my customers when it's like this.
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Work.
Don't work.
Entirely up to each window cleaner to make the decision.ill be working 10am-3pm today.
I've just started with a cold over the last few days,sore throat,etc.
The worst thing when I've got a cold is to stay inside.a few hours in the fresh air will do me good.i might skip the gym tonight though(or a reduced workout than normal)
Have a good day chaps!🙂
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I’ll be heading out at 10am or when the temp reaches -2°, currently -4°. Side roads, paths and driveways are still completely iced over so it’s going to be a battle, but I’d rather try than not.
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I think when there is ice on the ground you make yourself look desperate for a few quid it’s not life threatening to have dirty Windows but could cause customers to slip over in the ice left behind by us , also most on hear are earning £500 per day so can easily afford to take a few days off 😂😂😂 this weather shows who are telling the truth with earnings and those that are working hand to mouth and make themselves look desperate,if someone turned up at my house spraying water around in this weather they would be told in no uncertain terms ware to go . Some claim to have large sums of money in the bank but are still determined to go out out in this why ?….. ,from the customers point of view I think many wouldn’t appreciate us leaving water / ice behind , also from a RAMS point of view I would love to see the risk assessment as to the prevention of slips ,trips and falls , if anyone had a fall after we had been we would be held liable , not worth the risk for hundred quid a day .
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⬆️ yeah lol I can’t believe people are even bothering in the South East we have 6-8” of snow the last thing on my mind is work.
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Just walked the dog out,and fellow windy out tradding...😳off ladders😳😳
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Don't think how much you have in the bank has any bearing on whether you work or not. I know people much richer than me who work 80 hours a week because they are addicted to making money and working.. If you choose not to because you don't want to be cold or have or cause an accident that's fair enough. Others may have a motivation to work for various reasons. Personally I want to keep up to my schedule as best i can, I don't like to be defeated and id rather have a day off of my choosing. It's also Christmas in 2 weeks I want to work hard and enjoy a break.
Having said all that I've defrosted my van and one of my pumps is leaking ive had enough and I'm sacking it off. ;D
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
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Saturday starts off at 0c then goes up to 5c - looks nice and hopefully much work will be done.
Sunday: 12c !!
Then rain, lots of rain and gales.
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My hose reel is frozen to the core, at least 20m of it is solid.
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I have the sound of a Jumbo jet ✈️ on idle outside heating up and cooling down,good luck trying to defrost anything that’s already frozen.
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
And you would be another dross customer in the bin then ;) I messaged all mine last night and no one said a word apart from a couple wishing me luck in this weather.
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
And you would be another dross customer in the bin then ;) I messaged all mine last night and no one said a word apart from a couple wishing me luck in this weather.
What did your message say?
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Turning up to clean windows in 5-6” of snow 🤣 the stench of desperation fills the room.
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What is everyone doing in the better weather have you heard about saving for a rainy day or making hay while the sunshine’s lol.
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Strange how Nigel is on here during the day every day 🤔
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Yeah strange isn’t it how I’m on here when I’m looking at thick snow I tell you what there’s no flies on you bungle,you’ll save that 23 notes m8 by not taking the van out and smashing it up.
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Atleast you can kick the wife out of bed to get to her work and be a kept man Nigel. Happy days. 😁
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Actually laughing here, thinking of Nigel, with his all singing and dancing heater keeping his water nice and toasty whilst he sits in the house scared of a bit of cold and snow. ;D
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Even (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670849889_89B26558-4573-4E08-9559-CF122D7C3C5D.jpeg)
Even with my hot water system this week is a struggle. I won’t be getting much done.
Today it’s -5 until lunch time, -2 now but it’s still hard going.
At -2 usually I don’t have issues, but after I’ve cleaned the windows they are turning to ice. That normally wouldn’t be bothering me, but with this weeks forecast I’ll be frosting peoples windows for the best part of 5 days. 😂
This is an unusual cold snap even for us in Scotland. Usually it’s -2 and -3s.
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I was out at the crack of Sparrow this morning.
Don't worry my drum kits heated seat made sure any diesel heated steam powered hot water defrosted those pesky frozen footpaths, I got well over the going rate for Xmas tips.
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⬆️ yeah lol I can’t believe people are even bothering in the South East we have 6-8” of snow the last thing on my mind is work.
Im in the SE and we had bugger all.
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Yeah strange isn’t it how I’m on here when I’m looking at thick snow I tell you what there’s no flies on you bungle,you’ll save that 23 notes m8 by not taking the van out and smashing it up.
Will you be paying your employee for forcing him to take the day off?
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My thoughts exactly. Imo at temps of -3 or less, it’s the leaving puddles of ice that’s the problem and having hot doesn’t solve that problem.
You could fit an immersion.....hot water is much nicer to work with in the winter months even if its above freezing during the day.
Does an immersion stop the water freezing on the ground when it’s -4 or less?
Surely this is the most important thing, I can't think of many houses on my round that wouldn't become a big slip risk if I went ahead and washed the windows. I just don't see it's worth the risk. It'll be over in a week or so.
I have an immersion fitted.
If I feel the need to work I would choose which windows to wash wfp. The front door I might trad clean and then I will use a broom and ice melt on any wet paths.
Obviously if I get below about -2 and if water is freezing on windows I am likely to be less inclined to clean at all.
A lot of my work is in surrounding villages to Bristol. Some is very close to the Severn estuary and some is in Bristol.
It can be minus 3 in the higher outlying villages, minus 1 by the Severn and zero in town. So I work differently depending on where my work is. The colder it is the more I start late/finish early, do trad. on some glass, use ice melt etc. Or not at all.
wimp get out and work you lazy sod
Your words of encouragement have inspired me Franky. So I started at 10.00am. I reckon it's about zero here and so I've carried on using less water than usual (benefit of a tap) and tradded three front doors as a precaution to avoid icy paths.
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
And you would be another dross customer in the bin then ;) I messaged all mine last night and no one said a word apart from a couple wishing me luck in this weather.
Was 'luck' a misspelling? ;D
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Yeah strange isn’t it how I’m on here when I’m looking at thick snow I tell you what there’s no flies on you bungle,you’ll save that 23 notes m8 by not taking the van out and smashing it up.
What?! Not extolling the virtues of your hot water system and smugly telling us how easy it is to work Nigel?
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I had a brilliant day.
Worked part time with covid, chucked salt on the windows then brushed it away, drummed up some new work at £350 an hour, dried my socks on my heated seats, drank a flask of boiling water then home by 10.30. Ate some baked beans from a floating tray in the bath then bonked the Mrs.
Loads of tips and I only work part time.
Printed all my slips for 2023 and I only work part time.
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I had a brilliant day.
Worked part time with covid, chucked salt on the windows then brushed it away, drummed up some new work at £350 hour, dried my socks on my heated seats, drank a flask of boiling water then home by 10.30. Ate some baked beans from a floating tray in the bath then bonked the Mrs.
Loads of tips and I only work part tome.
Printed all my slips for 2023 snd I only work part time.
;D ;D ;D
I don't know what my favourite bit is but I'm going for 'floating tray in the bath'.
That could change though :D.
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The hot water boys are getting it today 😃
CIUNet is in full swing 😃
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
And you would be another dross customer in the bin then ;) I messaged all mine last night and no one said a word apart from a couple wishing me luck in this weather.
What did your message say?
That i would be round today to clean windows, i lied lol
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Worked 10-3 today, -3 when I started, 0 just after midday. I work mainly on the coast so temperatures not too bad. I planned my work accordingly so there were no conservatories to clean in the morning.
I have an immersion so everything in the back was nice and warm as was the water. The beauty of the immersion heater is that it’s like having a giant radiator in the back of the van.
I have a days rural work due towards the end of the week that will probably be put on hold as the temperature inland will be lower than I experienced today.
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
And you would be another dross customer in the bin then ;) I messaged all mine last night and no one said a word apart from a couple wishing me luck in this weather.
What did your message say?
That i would be round today to clean windows, i lied lol
That was my point. We'll be ruled by the weather not whether we've got work scheduled or Christmas tips due.
I even missed Loose Women.
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Full working day here. At the end of the day I also got all delivery pipes from purified water storage tank to the van defrosted, R.O. has been moved so it can produce and is up and running, making water for the week. Im beginning to feel like Daz Im so fecking efficient, switched on and at 'em...
Can someone confirm how wonderful I am please.
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If my WC turned up in this I would send him away.
And you would be another dross customer in the bin then ;) I messaged all mine last night and no one said a word apart from a couple wishing me luck in this weather.
What did your message say?
That i would be round today to clean windows, i lied lol
That was my point. We'll be ruled by the weather not whether we've got work scheduled or Christmas tips due.
I even missed Loose Women.
I know but its always the predicament, message them then cant work or dont message them then it turns out i can. Have to go with the first option just in case.
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I had a brilliant day.
Worked part time with covid, chucked salt on the windows then brushed it away, drummed up some new work at £350 hour, dried my socks on my heated seats, drank a flask of boiling water then home by 10.30. Ate some baked beans from a floating tray in the bath then bonked the Mrs.
Loads of tips and I only work part time.
Printed all my slips for 2023 snd I only work part time.
Drumming up business was a nice touch. ;D
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Not had any issues here in Bristol and been working from 8-4 pm
hose reels get drained after last job of the day. One at a time we plug a tail end into each hose reel and pull the whole 100 m off into a neat pile then slowly wind back on as the remaining water drains from inside it, then repeat with second hose reel, then drain all water from pole hoses wring out any cloth's and dry the deck of the van (sides are ply lined up to wheel arches and speed lined, floor is speed lined and van liner back on top of this) I have an outside double plug socket which charges leisure batteries via a CTEC MXS 10 10EC with an onboard circuit breaker inside van, leisure batteries get charged every night. I then have an electric greenhouse heater set on frost stat pointing at both hose reels this keeps the temperature in the back of the van permanently over 0 degrees so no kit in the back of the van has the possibility of freezing, the fan heater also has a circuit breaker and my van never gets condensation inside and I have it set up so system doesn't leak so when we have dry weather the back of the van is generally bone dry anyway.
When I come out in the morning usually 7-30 am I disconnect all of above, start the engine, put the heated windscreen on then fire up the PF 2KW heater, by the time we arrive at the first job water is up to 75 degrees, we then circulate it around the two hose reels (takes minutes) and ready to start cleaning for the day, heater stays on until last job then we just repeat the above.
Using this method means we never get a freeze up, we have plenty of varied work and can always find jobs/sites/blocks to work where frozen path's aren't an issue and using the electric fan heater means we're not annoying the neighbours in the middle of the night with the diesel heater kicking in ;) and it's cheaper method than the diesel with no drain on the leisure batteries during the night so we know they are in top condition for working with hot water during the day.
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I had a brilliant day.
Worked part time with covid, chucked salt on the windows then brushed it away, drummed up some new work at £350 an hour, dried my socks on my heated seats, drank a flask of boiling water then home by 10.30. Ate some baked beans from a floating tray in the bath then bonked the Mrs.
Loads of tips and I only work part time.
Printed all my slips for 2023 and I only work part time.
You forgot to say you delivered 100 begging letters Xmas cards too.
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I think when there is ice on the ground you make yourself look desperate for a few quid it’s not life threatening to have dirty Windows but could cause customers to slip over in the ice left behind by us , also most on hear are earning £500 per day so can easily afford to take a few days off 😂😂😂 this weather shows who are telling the truth with earnings and those that are working hand to mouth and make themselves look desperate,if someone turned up at my house spraying water around in this weather they would be told in no uncertain terms ware to go . Some claim to have large sums of money in the bank but are still determined to go out out in this why ?….. ,from the customers point of view I think many wouldn’t appreciate us leaving water / ice behind , also from a RAMS point of view I would love to see the risk assessment as to the prevention of slips ,trips and falls , if anyone had a fall after we had been we would be held liable , not worth the risk for hundred quid a day .
All work completed no problems....I even called at my mother's and gave her windows an Xmas clean this afternoon! 8)
Some window cleaners will look for excuses,some will just not fancy working in a bit of cold weather (each to their own)
No I'm not desperate
I don't live 'hand to mouth'
Yes I have plenty of money in the bank
Tips just over £200 currently,a box of chocs and a bottle of red wine with the best part of 2 weeks to go!I don't think I'll have a record year but not doing too badly all things considered!🙂
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Did your Mum tip you, Daz?
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Early afternoon here it was back down to -5. 🤦♂️
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Turning up to clean windows in 5-6” of snow 🤣 the stench of desperation fills the room.
I wouldn't work in 5 or 6 inches of snow mate.its not the same all over the country.hard frost here but hardly any snow(just a light dusting).
I swept any standing water away and no it didn't freeze and it was -2 most of the day....perfectly workable day for me!👍
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Did your Mum tip you, Daz?
If course not!a nice cup of coffee sufficed!😄
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Did your Mum tip you, Daz?
If course not!a nice cup of coffee sufficed!😄
Your mum put the mochas on your tips?
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If it was just cold Daz we would be working but as I say it’s been snowing and it’s laid across most of the South especially in areas where I work rurally,as soon as you turn the news on and you see cars abandoned on the M25 it’s time to forget work for a few days.
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I worked today no problem,...not much snow or ice here....it was colder last week.
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Proper snow in the South and more Wednesday into Thursday it is what it is let’s get out and smash the van up.
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Proper snow in the South and more Wednesday into Thursday it is what it is let’s get out and smash the van up.
It can stay down there too :D
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If snow has taught me anything it’s that it’s just not worth even bothering until you know you’re route or way in is clear,the main roads mean nothing my main problem is the side roads which can take another couple of days to clear unless the temperature suddenly drops.
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If snow has taught me anything it’s that it’s just not worth even bothering until you know you’re route or way in is clear,the main roads mean nothing my main problem is the side roads which can take another couple of days to clear unless the temperature suddenly drops.
I think you need the temperature to rise for a thaw😉
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Spend all that money on a diesel heater to keep you working and then not bother to get decent winter tyres on the van, rendering the diesel heater useless. You couldn’t make it up ;D
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Why don’t you defrost the roads with your super dooper diesel heated hot water system. I mean, it’s that bloody good isn’t it?
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Could use hot air.
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anyone fitted a 2KW emersion heater in a Upright 600 ltr Tank where is it placed via access to tighten connection
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1kw at the bottom.
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Spend all that money on a diesel heater to keep you working and then not bother to get decent winter tyres on the van, rendering the diesel heater useless. You couldn’t make it up ;D
proof, if any was needed that hot water has virtually no advantages other than keeping the hands warm. 5k plus for warm hands thats an expensive pair of gloves.
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looked on youtube Squeeky Dave etc but they using a Flat tank so access easier to connect up the 2Kw Immersion Healer ellement
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⬆️ ✊ it’s all good in the hood boys a diesel heater isn’t going to get you through a foot of snow is it lol,but we all know it cleans better and as soon as the roads are passable work will get done there’s no rush.
As soon as this time of the year comes it’s emersion this oil rad that 😂 almost as predictable as me eh,good job I’ve got Quattro with my other old banger 😉.
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How much is it to run an emersion again these days compared to my 2 man diesel 🤣🤣🤣,the thing i like about the emersion idea is that you put it on for so many hours get up in the morning look out and see Father Christmas and realise that was a waste of money last night lol.
As the bloke says that delivered my food last week you doooonnnn rissssssseenn.
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⬆️ ✊ it’s all good in the hood boys a diesel heater isn’t going to get you through a foot of snow is it lol,but we all know it cleans better and as soon as the roads are passable work will get done there’s no rush.
As soon as this time of the year comes it’s emersion this oil rad that 😂 almost as predictable as me eh,good job I’ve got Quattro with my other old banger 😉.
You haven’t got a foot of snow. Tosser.
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Where I’m supposed to be going there is almost and it’s not going anywhere as it’s freezing and more to follow tomorrow night in to Wednesday morning,I have 4-5 jobs you need a rucksack with supplies to get from the main road to their house lol Tosser
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Nowhere in the South has had a foot of snow. You're lying.
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How dare you!(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1670878471_97530177-1CBC-4775-8D3A-FC88AFA0CD3F.jpeg)
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⬆️ ✊ it’s all good in the hood boys a diesel heater isn’t going to get you through a foot of snow is it lol,but we all know it cleans better and as soon as the roads are passable work will get done there’s no rush.
As soon as this time of the year comes it’s emersion this oil rad that 😂 almost as predictable as me eh,good job I’ve got Quattro with my other old banger 😉.
Do you ever get mistaken for a hairdresser when you’re driving your TT Quattro?
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This is how i measure success .... week off for me . apart from not wanting to look like a desperate tit, I cant be bothered . I work hard all year , so I am having a feet up week until the cold passes.
plenty of weeks in a year to make money. why would i want to struggle this week ?
My tds is very low so I can fill my tank with piping hot water from my DI filter each morning.
my issue is that I dont want icy paths after I have cleaned.
all this talk of brushing paths and salting them ???
goodness me . just relax and chill till it passes
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
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This is how i measure success .... week off for me . apart from not wanting to look like a desperate tit, I cant be bothered . I work hard all year , so I am having a feet up week until the cold passes.
plenty of weeks in a year to make money. why would i want to struggle this week ?
My tds is very low so I can fill my tank with piping hot water from my DI filter each morning.
my issue is that I dont want icy paths after I have cleaned.
all this talk of brushing paths and salting them ???
goodness me . just relax and chill till it passes
I enjoy the challenge plus I like being out in the fresh air and earning money.....its not that bad here to be fair....it'll be 1c or 2c tomorrow afternoon.no water was freezing on the ground today and it was -2.....👌
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
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I've still got a few 2 monthly jobs to clean that I've not cleaned since before I flew to the Maldives so I'll be working. :)
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
Never gonna happen....just sweep any standing water away near doors/paths or just scrim them....simple.
Nobody could prove that it was you as there's frost/ice on the ground anyway...
You worry too much splash!
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This is how i measure success .... week off for me . apart from not wanting to look like a desperate tit, I cant be bothered . I work hard all year , so I am having a feet up week until the cold passes.
plenty of weeks in a year to make money. why would i want to struggle this week ?
My tds is very low so I can fill my tank with piping hot water from my DI filter each morning.
my issue is that I dont want icy paths after I have cleaned.
all this talk of brushing paths and salting them ???
goodness me . just relax and chill till it passes
⬆️ init
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⬆️ ✊ it’s all good in the hood boys a diesel heater isn’t going to get you through a foot of snow is it lol,but we all know it cleans better and as soon as the roads are passable work will get done there’s no rush.
As soon as this time of the year comes it’s emersion this oil rad that 😂 almost as predictable as me eh,good job I’ve got Quattro with my other old banger 😉.
Do you ever get mistaken for a hairdresser when you’re driving your TT Quattro?
A barber 💈 you mean the compromise was it must be an RS,don’t worry could have got a better one KS will do pal it’s a TT to look at that’s where it ends especially now it’s been on the rolling road lol.
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This is how i measure success .... week off for me . apart from not wanting to look like a desperate tit, I cant be bothered . I work hard all year , so I am having a feet up week until the cold passes.
plenty of weeks in a year to make money. why would i want to struggle this week ?
My tds is very low so I can fill my tank with piping hot water from my DI filter each morning.
my issue is that I dont want icy paths after I have cleaned.
all this talk of brushing paths and salting them ???
goodness me . just relax and chill till it passes
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Its periods like this that reveal a lot about the people on this forum ..... want to appear like they are doing well . but then look like desperate tits when its clearly desperate times work wise .
I am sure I speak for 95% of the people on this forum .
your posts are contradictory, and frankly all over the place .
you clueless moron ;D
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This is how i measure success .... week off for me . apart from not wanting to look like a desperate tit, I cant be bothered . I work hard all year , so I am having a feet up week until the cold passes.
plenty of weeks in a year to make money. why would i want to struggle this week ?
My tds is very low so I can fill my tank with piping hot water from my DI filter each morning.
my issue is that I dont want icy paths after I have cleaned.
all this talk of brushing paths and salting them ???
goodness me . just relax and chill till it passes
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Its periods like this that reveal a lot about the people on this forum ..... want to appear like they are doing well . but then look like desperate tits when its clearly desperate times work wise .
I am sure I speak for 95% of the people on this forum .
your posts are contradictory, and frankly all over the place .
you clueless moron ;D
He was actually agreeing with you😆
As for the desperate tits comment from yourself, do you consider yourself to be a desperate tit when you’re working a bank holiday?
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"you clueless moron' ;D
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
Never gonna happen....just sweep any standing water away near doors/paths or just scrim them....simple.
Nobody could prove that it was you as there's frost/ice on the ground anyway...
You worry too much splash!
If you say so.
That's all that matters.
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This is how i measure success .... week off for me . apart from not wanting to look like a desperate tit, I cant be bothered . I work hard all year , so I am having a feet up week until the cold passes.
plenty of weeks in a year to make money. why would i want to struggle this week ?
My tds is very low so I can fill my tank with piping hot water from my DI filter each morning.
my issue is that I dont want icy paths after I have cleaned.
all this talk of brushing paths and salting them ???
goodness me . just relax and chill till it passes
⬆️ init
Its periods like this that reveal a lot about the people on this forum ..... want to appear like they are doing well . but then look like desperate tits when its clearly desperate times work wise .
I am sure I speak for 95% of the people on this forum .
your posts are contradictory, and frankly all over the place .
you clueless moron ;D
He was actually agreeing with you😆
As for the desperate tits comment from yourself, do you consider yourself to be a desperate tit when you’re working a bank holiday?
absolutely not.
partner works NHS shifts, so I tailor my work around her shifts . having said that , I dont tend to work bank holidays as I only do 25 hours a week .
never seen much ice on the paths on bank holidays either ;D
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How much is it to run an emersion again these days compared to my 2 man diesel 🤣🤣🤣,the thing i like about the emersion idea is that you put it on for so many hours get up in the morning look out and see Father Christmas and realise that was a waste of money last night lol.
As the bloke says that delivered my food last week you doooonnnn rissssssseenn.
I have a 3kw immersion heater, my electric is 32p/kWh, so works out just under £1 per hour, I have it on 7-8 hours per night on average. I think I can live with heating the water up overnight only to find in the morning I’m unable to work, it happens maybe twice a year at most!
What I would find more annoying is paying 5k for a diesel heater and get up in the morning and ‘see Father Christmas as you put it’ then realise I’ve spunked 5k and I’m still unable to work🥶
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Yeah but stopping everything freezing is just 1 advantage of a Hot Water system that you see this time of the year,same old argument at Christmas 🎄.
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
Never gonna happen....just sweep any standing water away near doors/paths or just scrim them....simple.
Nobody could prove that it was you as there's frost/ice on the ground anyway...
You worry too much splash!
I have seen so many end up with insurance claims over the years whether they are justified or not , you need to cover your back theses days .
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
Never gonna happen....just sweep any standing water away near doors/paths or just scrim them....simple.
Nobody could prove that it was you as there's frost/ice on the ground anyway...
You worry too much splash!
I have seen so many end up with insurance claims over the years whether they are justified or not , you need to cover your back theses days .
I've never heard of one single insurance case of a window cleaner being blamed for a customer slipping on ice...its a myth....
If your diligent in your working practices then you have nothing to worry about
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Yeah but stopping everything freezing is just 1 advantage of a Hot Water system that you see this time of the year,same old argument at Christmas 🎄.
Apart from the heater itself and possibly your hose reels the frost stat on a diesel heater doesn't stop anything else in the back of the van from freezing, poles etc.
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It does because it radiates the heat around the back of the van i would guess.
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Nigel you bring much derision on yourself with your self-aggrandizing, contradictory and boastful posting.
That being said would posters please refrain from abuse like 'tosser' and 'desperate tits'.
'clueless moron' seems borderline ... ;D
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It does because it radiates the heat around the back of the van i would guess.
No it doesn't. Only keeps the heat exchanger from becoming damaged if you modify it you can circulate hot water through your hose reels (wouldn't want to do this personally) very high chance you'll find all other kit has frozen during the night poles etc
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
Never gonna happen....just sweep any standing water away near doors/paths or just scrim them....simple.
Nobody could prove that it was you as there's frost/ice on the ground anyway...
You worry too much splash!
I have seen so many end up with insurance claims over the years whether they are justified or not , you need to cover your back theses days .
I've never heard of one single insurance case of a window cleaner being blamed for a customer slipping on ice...its a myth....
If your diligent in your working practices then you have nothing to worry about
It's a myth because you have never heard about any incidents?
Is due diligence saying it is never going to happen or that if it does, no one can prove it was your water that caused the ice?
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It does because it radiates the heat around the back of the van i would guess.
No it doesn't. Only keeps the heat exchanger from becoming damaged if you modify it you can circulate hot water through your hose reels (wouldn't want to do this personally) very high chance you'll find all other kit has frozen during the night poles etc
This is an area where an immersion works well if you leave enough of the tank exposed (I have a 2ft X 2ft square in my insulation that is open to the back of the van.)
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I think it's just another risk you take. You might cause an accident with making ice puddles, you might crash your van, you might get dvt sat watching loose women who knows lol.
Not worth worrying about really is it, chances are you won't cause an accident and if you do good chance you will get away with it. You might not but such is life.
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I think it's just another risk you take. You might cause an accident with making ice puddles, you might crash your van, you might get dvt sat watching loose women who knows lol.
Not worth worrying about really is it, chances are you won't cause an accident and if you do good chance you will get away with it. You might not but such is life.
My thoughts exactly....like I've already said some window cleaners will look for excuses not to work!of course if you don't fancy it then have some time off!it's your business!you can do what you want!
But I'll crack on and carry on working.its already 1c here(warmer than yesterday).perfectly workable day.
The key is being prepared and organised which of course I already am! 8)
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I have warned customers about the possibility of the water freezing on paths etc today and last week, the vast majority had a look on their face like they couldn't care less.
Might be a different storey if they slip over and break a leg or hip might want insurance details 😂😂😂
Never gonna happen....just sweep any standing water away near doors/paths or just scrim them....simple.
Nobody could prove that it was you as there's frost/ice on the ground anyway...
You worry too much splash!
I have seen so many end up with insurance claims over the years whether they are justified or not , you need to cover your back theses days .
I've never heard of one single insurance case of a window cleaner being blamed for a customer slipping on ice...its a myth....
If your diligent in your working practices then you have nothing to worry about
I didn’t say I knew of any window cleaner being sued for slipping on ice ,but I know several that have been for ones tripping on hose , we live in a world ware many will try it on to get money , look at all the rear end shunts in car accidents deliberately set up , and the innocent driver gets blamed . A friend of mine runs a dive boat and had a sign on the deck saying “ deck slippery when wet “ someone slipped over on it and broke their leg , it went to court and he was found guilty as he recognised there was a danger by the sigh , the judge said if there was no sigh he would have thrown the case out . I feel if we leave water or ice after freezing conditions Evan if we haven’t caused it we could be found liable , so in my opinion it’s not worth the risk especially with employees .
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I agree splash if you have employees mate as you don't know for certain if they've left standing water lying around or not
I know I've not left any because I sweep any water away after every job....standard practice in this weather.i also offer to grit if their in but they usually say no.
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
Exactly ware there is blame there’s a claim we live in a world ware ones are looking for easy money with litigation and leaving ice behind after cleaning windows will result in someone sooner or later being taken to court . Also just think of the bad local publicity. It would be on the front page of the local paper , couldn’t care less window cleaner is responsible for little frail old granny breaking her hip on ice left behind after cleaning Windows , the window cleaner said I need ti go to work regardless of the conditions to earn more money 😂😂😂
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With employees it's a whole different ball game isn't it. You have to think about their health and safety and they are more likely to get caught making a slippy puddle as it isn't their neck on the line. I learnt this the hard way with an employee I had he left the back doors open and reversed into someone's car, he left a 3mm mark on the car barely noticeable in the pic he sent me but being the good samritan he went round knocking on doors looking for the owner to tell them. Good deed by him but cost me 300 quid, the little git could have just buggered off and no one would have been any the wiser. No doubt the lad would be the first to admit to Mrs Jones he's responsible for breaking her leg in his slippy puddles.
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With employees it's a whole different ball game isn't it. You have to think about their health and safety and they are more likely to get caught making a slippy puddle as it isn't their neck on the line. I learnt this the hard way with an employee I had he left the back doors open and reversed into someone's car, he left a 3mm mark on the car barely noticeable in the pic he sent me but being the good samritan he went round knocking on doors looking for the owner to tell them. Good deed by him but cost me 300 quid, the little git could have just buggered off and no one would have been any the wiser. No doubt the lad would be the first to admit to Mrs Jones he's responsible for breaking her leg in his slippy puddles.
To be honest ime a bit shocked by the couldn’t care less attitude of some on hear with regards to their customers well being , they are paying our wages and we have a duty of care to them and visitors to their properties , as I said before if someone turned up at my place or elderly family members places in sub zero temperatures ,spraying water about I would tell them to get lost and dont come back ,they certainly wouldn’t be getting paid either , if an accident then happened as a result of there negligence I would have no hesitation it taking legal action against them .
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I think it's just another risk you take. You might cause an accident with making ice puddles, you might crash your van, you might get dvt sat watching loose women who knows lol.
Not worth worrying about really is it, chances are you won't cause an accident and if you do good chance you will get away with it. You might not but such is life.
If you did worry about it, there might be less chance of you having something to really worry about.
Even if it is just getting away with something that you are liable for.
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I think it's just another risk you take. You might cause an accident with making ice puddles, you might crash your van, you might get dvt sat watching loose women who knows lol.
Not worth worrying about really is it, chances are you won't cause an accident and if you do good chance you will get away with it. You might not but such is life.
My thoughts exactly....like I've already said some window cleaners will look for excuses not to work!of course if you don't fancy it then have some time off!it's your business!you can do what you want!
But I'll crack on and carry on working.its already 1c here(warmer than yesterday).perfectly workable day.
The key is being prepared and organised which of course I already am! 8)
If you think it's a case of just doing what you fancy, you might want to go easy with the risk assessment advice.
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
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Never read such rubbish in my life! Most domestic work has flowerbeds under the windows. How much water are you guys sloshing down the paths?
What do you do if there’s a frost forecast? Take the winter off?
Just need a bit of common sense, if the roads are an ice rink stay home.
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Proverbs 26 v 13 ;D
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Thou shall not work!
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Proverbs 26 v 13 ;D
Proverbs 16:18
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
Working in 3°c is now “desperate” 😂 I’ve heard it all now.
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Proverbs 26 v 13 ;D
Or maybe even Ecclesiastes 11:4 ;D
It's gonna be sunny and 8 degrees on Monday I'm waiting until then.
My water supply runs around the house and even though it's insulated it's frozen solid!
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Never read such rubbish in my life! Most domestic work has flowerbeds under the windows. How much water are you guys sloshing down the paths?
What do you do if there’s a frost forecast? Take the winter off?
Just need a bit of common sense, if the roads are an ice rink stay home.
Exactly, the waters not left anywhere to cause a risk, we haven't even had a frost here last 2 nights......all my customers have been happy to see me and the tips are rolling in ;D
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It’s nothing to do with sloshing water everywhere with me it’s the fact that the side roads and rural roads are to icy and dangerous to travel on with 3/4 of a ton on board,I’ve put the word out to certain people that are working at the jobs to let me know when it’s safe to come.
If I can’t work all week that’s fine I can’t see people wondering why they haven’t had their windows cleaned this week lol,these days nearly all know when we come anyway.
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
Don't think anyone's panicking, seems like those who don't want to work are looking for excuses to feel better about having time off. Someone will die or get sued :D it's all a bit far fetched we are just cleaning windows.
I've been sloshing loads of water about today and just finished all my work I've even got a few tips.
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Proverbs 11.9 low battery 🪫 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
Don't think anyone's panicking, seems like those who don't want to work are looking for excuses to feel better about having time off. Someone will die or get sued :D it's all a bit far fetched we are just cleaning windows.
I've been sloshing loads of water about today and just finished all my work I've even got a few tips.
This from someone who has virtually admitted if he hit a parked car wouldn't let the owner know ::)roll
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No problems here in sunny Southampton, I've been out today and had a really good day :)
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
Don't think anyone's panicking, seems like those who don't want to work are looking for excuses to feel better about having time off. Someone will die or get sued :D it's all a bit far fetched we are just cleaning windows.
I've been sloshing loads of water about today and just finished all my work I've even got a few tips.
This from someone who has virtually admitted if he hit a parked car wouldn't let the owner know ::)roll
Not at all. My annoyance wasn't that he had let the owner know, more he had let the owner know and expected me to pay for it. He did the right thing in letting them know but wasn't so keen or coughing up to pay for his honesty and basically told the customer sorry nevermind my boss will pay for it give him a call. Cheers for that 👍
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Anyone tried these?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Schimer-Heating-Immersion-Portable-Electric/dp/B0B7B4RW3T/
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tried similar - certainly be good enough to keep the water warm and van frost free - maybe not powerful enough to give to HOT for cleaning - but then again if you can get it to 15 degrees that will see you through most days
Darran
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
Don't think anyone's panicking, seems like those who don't want to work are looking for excuses to feel better about having time off. Someone will die or get sued :D it's all a bit far fetched we are just cleaning windows.
I've been sloshing loads of water about today and just finished all my work I've even got a few tips.
This from someone who has virtually admitted if he hit a parked car wouldn't let the owner know ::)roll
Not at all. My annoyance wasn't that he had let the owner know, more he had let the owner know and expected me to pay for it. He did the right thing in letting them know but wasn't so keen or coughing up to pay for his honesty and basically told the customer sorry nevermind my boss will pay for it give him a call. Cheers for that 👍
That’s part of the responsibility's of being an employer Evan the best of staff can have accidents and you just have to budget for that with your profit margins , if they are careless as most on hear seam to be with a lackadaisical attitude then it’s time to get rid of them and get better staff , but I admire the lad for being honest and saying what he’s done I would rather a member of staff acted this way than just driving off and then have the police on my doorstep for hit and run
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Late start today as it was -5 at 8:00. Started at 10:30 and it was -2 but workable with warm/hot water. I didn’t have any paths directly under windows at any of the properties I cleaned today, generally paths are a couple of feet away from the walls, otherwise everybody would be scraping their knuckles and shoulders off the walls as you walk past, or you would get clobbered by walking into the protruding window sills, down pipes, gas boxes etc, etc. As DJW mentioned earlier, front and back downstairs windows generally have flowerbeds, grass or decorative stones underneath them. Yes there can be a problem with upstairs windows which are directly above front door steps, but the majority have some sort of door canopies which prevent the water going on the steps.
If you don’t want to/choose not to work in cold conditions fair enough, but there is no need to be hysterical about it.
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Genuine question for those that employ and are currently saying it’s too cold to work, (Smudger/Splash+dash/NWH). Are you paying your lads to be sat at home now?
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We are out - weather our way has been only -1 at night and +3 during daylight hours - some gutters have been moved as these t be to freeze up
But no - if they can’t work they don’t get paid - there are catch up hours later in the week or Saturday or the following week
I hold the final say on h&s - but the guys can choose not to go out if it’s borderline regarding ice/rain/wind
Darran
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
Yawn ::)roll.....Same argument every time we get a bit of cold weather...no water froze that I swept away today....that's all that matters
I've never had a single issue in 13 years of wfp....so I'll carry on not worrying about potential liability. ;D
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Nigel you bring much derision on yourself with your self-aggrandizing, contradictory and boastful posting.
That being said would posters please refrain from abuse like 'tosser' and 'desperate tits'.
'clueless moron' seems borderline ... ;D
I’m sure he needs a break until the new year?
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We are out - weather our way has been only -1 at night and +3 during daylight hours - some gutters have been moved as these t be to freeze up
But no - if they can’t work they don’t get paid - there are catch up hours later in the week or Saturday or the following week
I hold the final say on h&s - but the guys can choose not to go out if it’s borderline regarding ice/rain/wind
Darran
Thanks for answering Darran.
How did the water turn to ice when you were servicing your hotbox if the temps have been upto +3°c in the daytime? Not trying to catch you out btw, it’s a genuine question.
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It’s 3°c where Daz and I are working today. Think you all need to stop getting your knickers in a twist. If you don’t want to work you’ll find a way, at 3°c blaming ice is clutching a bit tbh.
So it might be but the ground temp will be less so could still still turn to ice , it’s a personal decision but I am very surprised that the ones who shout the loudest about what they earn are the ones panicking about taking a few days off due to bad weather I smell a load of bull 😂😂😂
No ones panicking it's just your suffering from cabin fever because the weather is worse where you are....
It's perfectly fine where me and Danny work so we crack on as normal.
Just because you and your lads can't work doesn't mean we should all be off work in sympathy! ;D
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Genuine question for those that employ and are currently saying it’s too cold to work, (Smudger/Splash+dash/NWH). Are you paying your lads to be sat at home now?
Yes they are paid this is done beacause we charge a premium rate for our services so have a very healthy contingency fund , it’s very rare that this happens we are still doing some work starting late and finishing early and only doing work ware our actions won’t leave an ice rink . This weeks takings will be down by several thousand pounds but I would prefer that to us causing ourselves or customers injuries , I don’t think we would keep some of our commercial work if we had turned up at posh hotels and left ice everywhere.
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
Yawn ::)roll.....Same argument every time we get a bit of cold weather...no water froze that I swept away today....that's all that matters
I've never had a single issue in 13 years of wfp....so I'll carry on not worrying about potential liability. ;D
How do you know what the ground is like hours after you have left water on it , if what you are saying is true then you haven’t had very cold nights , ware we are is one of the mildest places in the country most of the time but Monday the muinit water hit the floor it turned to ice and we had a + 2-3 air temperature. It’s the ground temperature that will affect what happens to the water in the floor more than air temperature.
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We are out - weather our way has been only -1 at night and +3 during daylight hours - some gutters have been moved as these t be to freeze up
But no - if they can’t work they don’t get paid - there are catch up hours later in the week or Saturday or the following week
I hold the final say on h&s - but the guys can choose not to go out if it’s borderline regarding ice/rain/wind
Darran
Thanks for answering Darran.
How did the water turn to ice when you were servicing your hotbox if the temps have been upto +3°c in the daytime? Not trying to catch you out btw, it’s a genuine question.
Ground temperatures are totally different to air temperature one can be plus’s by several degrees and one can be minus by several degrees .
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We are out - weather our way has been only -1 at night and +3 during daylight hours - some gutters have been moved as these t be to freeze up
But no - if they can’t work they don’t get paid - there are catch up hours later in the week or Saturday or the following week
I hold the final say on h&s - but the guys can choose not to go out if it’s borderline regarding ice/rain/wind
Darran
Thanks for answering Darran.
How did the water turn to ice when you were servicing your hotbox if the temps have been upto +3°c in the daytime? Not trying to catch you out btw, it’s a genuine question.
Ground temperatures are totally different to air temperature one can be plus’s by several degrees and one can be minus by several degrees .
I’ve always found ground temps directly outside the external house walls are warmer, as the heat from the house escapes by a foot or so.
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
Yawn ::)roll.....Same argument every time we get a bit of cold weather...no water froze that I swept away today....that's all that matters
I've never had a single issue in 13 years of wfp....so I'll carry on not worrying about potential liability. ;D
How do you know what the ground is like hours after you have left water on it , if what you are saying is true then you haven’t had very cold nights , ware we are is one of the mildest places in the country most of the time but Monday the muinit water hit the floor it turned to ice and we had a + 2-3 air temperature. It’s the ground temperature that will affect what happens to the water in the floor more than air temperature.
-2 in the day yesterday and any water
i left lying about did not freeze instantly because I swept it away after I'd finished the job....of course I just used a cloth on doors so no water was left lying about around doorways...
Why would I worry about a tiny bit of water freezing hours later on a bit of obscure path under a window?when there's ice,snow and frost all over the garden? ::)roll ;D
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I can’t believe you’d sack the day off when the air temps are above freezing. Must be bloody soft down your way!
Maybe a bit less splash required.
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I can’t believe you’d sack the day off when the air temps are above freezing. Must be bloody soft down your way!
Southern softies!🤣🤣
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I think it’s most likely cuckoo land.
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Not catching me out - service was done at 5 am - done this early as big job on with over an hours drive so it was below zero - the unit is quite open to wind blowing acrylic ss the fields I was surprised it froze up
Darran
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
Yawn ::)roll.....Same argument every time we get a bit of cold weather...no water froze that I swept away today....that's all that matters
I've never had a single issue in 13 years of wfp....so I'll carry on not worrying about potential liability. ;D
How do you know what the ground is like hours after you have left water on it , if what you are saying is true then you haven’t had very cold nights , ware we are is one of the mildest places in the country most of the time but Monday the muinit water hit the floor it turned to ice and we had a + 2-3 air temperature. It’s the ground temperature that will affect what happens to the water in the floor more than air temperature.
It’s a good job you live in one of the mildest parts of the country with that attitude…..if you were in Scotland you’d never get any work done.
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Genuine question for those that employ and are currently saying it’s too cold to work, (Smudger/Splash+dash/NWH). Are you paying your lads to be sat at home now?
Still waiting for an answer Nigel, my finger is hovering over the 🐂💩 button.
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Bring back that summer we just had, I absolutely loved it.
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off too before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
You went to the Maldives? Blow me down.
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off too before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
I think some people start going stir crazy when the weather ‘forces’ them to have a few days off.
Remember the winter of 2010 on here? It snowed before Xmas and temps were down below -10° for a couple of weeks solid. This place went into meltdown, it was great fun ;D
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off too before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
I think some people start going stir crazy when the weather ‘forces’ them to have a few days off.
Remember the winter of 2010 on here? It snowed before Xmas and temps were down below -10° for a couple of weeks solid. This place went into meltdown, it was great fun ;D
Yep I do Danny.i had 3 weeks off if I remember rightly.i think some ciu members packed in and got a 'proper' job!😄
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
You went to the Maldives? Blow me down.
Yeabut, I bet he never had baked beans in the swimming pool.
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off too before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
I think some people start going stir crazy when the weather ‘forces’ them to have a few days off.
Remember the winter of 2010 on here? It snowed before Xmas and temps were down below -10° for a couple of weeks solid. This place went into meltdown, it was great fun ;D
I remember it well. The difference then was that there was heavy snowfall before the temperatures plummeted and there was no thaw for about two weeks. The snow was banked up on the roads/pavements meaning most residential streets were single line traffic. At least this time there has only been a sprinkling of snow where I am….not enough to stop play!
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off too before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
You should go and do your scheduled work and have a right to expect those tips but don't be giving elf & safety tips, Daz.
They're not very good, mate.
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It'll be peeing down all of next week and we'll have the "can't work in the rain" brigade sat at home ;D then come July we'll have a week of 30 degree's and well have the same mob only able to work for three hours because the heat is so draining ;D
Exactly....
Work/don't work but don't have a go at us for working! ;D
I had 2 weeks off in October(Maldives) and I'll have another 11 days off for xmas break.
Sod having a week off too before xmas because of a bit of cold weather!
I think some people start going stir crazy when the weather ‘forces’ them to have a few days off.
Remember the winter of 2010 on here? It snowed before Xmas and temps were down below -10° for a couple of weeks solid. This place went into meltdown, it was great fun ;D
I do. It was great. I remember going to bed, looking out at the snow and looking forward to another lie in.
My winter tyres were round my waist after eating too much Christmas chocolate with the Loose Women.
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It was -8 today at 8:40 when I set off. It rose to a positively tropical -4 briefly at around midday when the sun came out.
Yesterday it was -7 and -6 all day. I still worked.
The major difference is that there has not been any snow, so the roads are mostly ok. (I have declared off-days in warmer weather where snowy roads make driving dangerous)
I do carry a tub of rock salt and will use it on paths. Today, for example, the water froze on the ground before I’d even finished each window.
For employing, my policy is this: we will aim to make up the hours lost due to weather, but if that hasn’t been possible by the time the end of the month comes, we just pay those days at a full rate, and start afresh for the next month.
It isn’t the employees fault that the weather is bad, so it’s not really fair to not pay. You just have to budget for this cost when you decide to employ.
I am finding that if you treat people fairly, they are willing to go the extra mile when you need them to.
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Yeah but stopping everything freezing is just 1 advantage of a Hot Water system that you see this time of the year,same old argument at Christmas 🎄.
Apart from the heater itself and possibly your hose reels the frost stat on a diesel heater doesn't stop anything else in the back of the van from freezing, poles etc.
my system is plumb in so it runs though the hose reels and back in to the tank, so hoses reels dont freeze up,
has for pole hose the only other thing that could freeze,their so little water left in them at the emd of the day,once you connect to hose reel on first job the heat melted the ice,never had a issue in four years with the system and always worked,come and take a look si if it helps
MWH what a complete tool you are.you havent answered about paying your worker and once again side stepped the queation
you are full of GOLDS siht
sorry marc
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We pay annualised hours - so although they don't get paid for not working they will get paid and those hours are booked against their name - when the summer comes round when they do extra hours (which in fairness is 10 months of the year) we take 2 or 3 hours back each month until the balance is zero.
so its not as brutal or unfair as you may think
Darran
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We pay annualised hours - so although they don't get paid for not working they will get paid and those hours are booked against their name - when the summer comes round when they do extra hours (which in fairness is 10 months of the year) we take 2 or 3 hours back each month until the balance is zero.
so its not as brutal or unfair as you may think
Darran
Brutal?
I think a lot of employees would appreciate not having the responsibilities that go with working with water and driving in freezing conditions.
I would.
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I pay a full month regardless of weather time off due to sickness etc he’s been off for over 2 weeks he will get paid,I haven’t bothered this week due to bad weather and probably will only work Thursday and Friday.
What you need to really think about Cranky Frank is getting a well heeled Mrs because at the end of the day bills need to be paid,I’ve told her don’t get ugly or I’ll be off.
If you haven’t got capital and you employ and you do it correctly it’s going to cost you it has and it is us,van insurance and employer’s liability is an extra 1000 notes on top of what I was paying and that’s just 1 little bill Franky Panky.
Like I said get a rich Mrs but make sure she looks good or it’s pointless some things I won’t do for money 🤣🤣.
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Also I would be leaving myself wide open sending him out this week if he slipped over and broke his leg 🦵 or similar,where there’s blame there’s a claim.
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I pay a full month regardless of weather time off due to sickness etc he’s been off for over 2 weeks he will get paid,I haven’t bothered this week due to bad weather and probably will only work Thursday and Friday.
What you need to really think about Cranky Frank is getting a well heeled Mrs because at the end of the day bills need to be paid,I’ve told her don’t get ugly or I’ll be off.
If you haven’t got capital and you employ and you do it correctly it’s going to cost you it has and it is us,van insurance and employer’s liability is an extra 1000 notes on top of what I was paying and that’s just 1 little bill Franky Panky.
Like I said get a rich Mrs but make sure she looks good or it’s pointless some things I won’t do for money 🤣🤣.
Jesus! Can this forum get any worse?
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I couldn’t put my employee on what is basically a zero hours contract. It’s unfair i think. He has bills to pay too. For how often we get fully rained off or snowed under down south it’s just not worth it. I would never dream of asking him to make up the time on a Saturday, he may have plans anyway. I just wouldn’t entertain it. If someone wanted me to do that I’d tell them to stick it. I like to think if you treat employees well then they will treat you well on the whole.
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We pay annualised hours - so although they don't get paid for not working they will get paid and those hours are booked against their name - when the summer comes round when they do extra hours (which in fairness is 10 months of the year) we take 2 or 3 hours back each month until the balance is zero.
so its not as brutal or unfair as you may think
Darran
Brutal?
I think a lot employees would appreciate not having the responsibilities that go with working with water and driving in freezing conditions.
I would.
You do come across as creating problems in order to not work rather than solving problems in order to work. What if we gave you two weeks a year of doing internal deep/treatment cleans in customers lovely warm conservatories. Would you roll your sleeves up get out and get those done to a high standard rather than stay at home unpaid doing whatever it is you do there?
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Also I would be leaving myself wide open sending him out this week if he slipped over and broke his leg 🦵 or similar,where there’s blame there’s a claim.
There's no shame in admitting you don't employ anyone Nigel
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I know me old m8 but I have done for the last 10-12 months.
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I couldn’t put my employee on what is basically a zero hours contract. It’s unfair i think. He has bills to pay too. For how often we get fully rained off or snowed under down south it’s just not worth it. I would never dream of asking him to make up the time on a Saturday, he may have plans anyway. I just wouldn’t entertain it. If someone wanted me to do that I’d tell them to stick it. I like to think if you treat employees well then they will treat you well on the whole.
Anyone can do that that’s like saying if we earn the money we will pay you 😂 this imo is not employing properly and we decided not to go down the hours route,he gets 35 hours a week paid regardless of hours worked for me due to weather or sickness etc it’s the only way.
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We pay annualised hours - so although they don't get paid for not working they will get paid and those hours are booked against their name - when the summer comes round when they do extra hours (which in fairness is 10 months of the year) we take 2 or 3 hours back each month until the balance is zero.
so its not as brutal or unfair as you may think
Darran
Brutal?
I think a lot employees would appreciate not having the responsibilities that go with working with water and driving in freezing conditions.
I would.
You do come across as creating problems in order to not work rather than solving problems in order to work. What if we gave you two weeks a year of doing internal deep/treatment cleans in customers lovely warm conservatories. Would you roll your sleeves up get out and get those done to a high standard rather than stay at home unpaid doing whatever it is you do there?
What problems am I creating for people not working? I don't know what conditions people are working in for a start. If you can work, work.
I might create problems if someone tells me that an accident is not going to happen or if it does then no one can prove it was the window cleaner. I'm just giving an alternative view.
There's still snow and ice around so I think I'll write this week off because we're having a few jobs done on the house. Doing some of the labour for the tradesmen means it works out cheaper and it gets done quicker. It's been going on too long as it is so losing this week is not a big deal.
I'm sure I could make excuses for working in trying conditions but the tradesmen will make theirs and put us off til after Christmas.
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Like I said get a rich Mrs but make sure she looks good or it’s pointless some things I won’t do for money 🤣🤣.
If you have such a rich Mrs why is she making you go out cleaning windows?
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I couldn’t put my employee on what is basically a zero hours contract. It’s unfair i think. He has bills to pay too. For how often we get fully rained off or snowed under down south it’s just not worth it. I would never dream of asking him to make up the time on a Saturday, he may have plans anyway. I just wouldn’t entertain it. If someone wanted me to do that I’d tell them to stick it. I like to think if you treat employees well then they will treat you well on the whole.
We don’t do zero contracts - try reading the post properly
Saturdays are part of the working week they are on a rota - it’s their choice if they wish to make up hours immediately or down the line
Hours are 8 to 3 - so other than the shortest of days they are always in a + for hours as we nearly always work to 4.30 or later n the summer
Darran
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Got bored of this thread and you a long time ago thanks Darren.
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Like I said get a rich Mrs but make sure she looks good or it’s pointless some things I won’t do for money 🤣🤣.
If you have such a rich Mrs why is she making you go out cleaning windows?
Because she hates him ;D
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Got bored of this thread and you a long time ago thanks Darren.
And yet you still post - says a lot about you…
Darran
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Got siouxed today, customer thought I was a cowboy!
Bloody cold today with the windchill. Lots of panes froze using warm water and ice formed instantly on the ground.
Minus seven tonight so will hold a bored meeting with staff in the morning.
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Sounds like a slippery slope to me..
Darran
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Got siouxed today, customer thought I was a cowboy!
Bloody cold today with the windchill. Lots of panes froze using warm water and ice formed instantly on the ground.
Minus seven tonight so will hold a bored meeting with staff in the morning.
-7 this morning first thing here....Still got all my work cleaned as well as £45 in xmas tips....postcard pic views at times today.... :)
No water froze on the glass but I did thaw out a few skylights,connys and ledges.....I also gritted a few paths and driveways after speaking to some customers...
Good day overall!
Another 5 hour day tomorrow then I'm finished til monday.... ;)
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1/2 degree this morning rising to 2 .1/2 degrees with a bitterly easterly wind rolling off the sea at Maidencombe today, even the thermal socks didn't feel warm today. It was quicker to use a scraper to remove an inch of ice off the cills before wfp today.
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Also got a full day in on commercial, was pretty grim first thing though. 🥶🥶
The local tradders were out cleaning my estate at 8:15 this morning, temp was reading -6°c, I bet that was fun.
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I tell you what it was nice and toasty in my bed this morning at about 8 o’clock with the old boiler puffin out the side of my house lol 😂.
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I tell you what it was nice and toasty in my bed this morning at about 8 o’clock with the old boiler puffin out the side of my house lol 😂.
That’s No way to talk about the wife…
Darran
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Lol yeah she was up m8 she never stays in bed long enough for me to roll over and start looking at her 🤣🦵,Darren my boy you only have to look to see who’s out working in this weather to reveal the real story.
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Also got a full day in on commercial, was pretty grim first thing though. 🥶🥶
The local tradders were out cleaning my estate at 8:15 this morning, temp was reading -6°c, I bet that was fun.
I spent 17 years on the ladders all year round Danny.climbing on icy roofs to clean a window at times....I really don't know how I did it.... ;D
This job is easy even in this weather WFP....
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Sod that, I did 2 years trad and it felt like a lifetime.
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,Darren my boy you only have to look to see who’s out working in this weather to reveal the real story.
The lads out working today are the ones who like to choose their own days off, not let a bit of bad weather dictate it for them.
I’ll be taking 11 days off over Xmas to spend with family and friends and I’ll be reasonably content that most of my work is upto date, nothing to do with being desperate whatsoever.
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,Darren my boy you only have to look to see who’s out working in this weather to reveal the real story.
if you say so Nigel, - personally cant knock anyone who is working (certainly self employed) - different for employees - duty of care and all that.
I just am bemused at the polar opposite stances and silly name calling when people hold different views to themselves
Darran
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Also got a full day in on commercial, was pretty grim first thing though. 🥶🥶
The local tradders were out cleaning my estate at 8:15 this morning, temp was reading -6°c, I bet that was fun.
Wet hands metal ladders north wind. No thankyou. No fond memories there. 11 years of that.
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I picked some up and moved them the other week in the cold that was enough for me.
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just an update for you Daz - today we had our hotbox serviced - it was tested outside producing 150 degrees heated water - we immediately swept the excess water away - within 10 minutes the wet concrete was an ice rink.
you take your chance - but I would say if your customer slips on ice created by you then you will be liable
Darran
Yawn ::)roll.....Same argument every time we get a bit of cold weather...no water froze that I swept away today....that's all that matters
I've never had a single issue in 13 years of wfp....so I'll carry on not worrying about potential liability. ;D
How do you know what the ground is like hours after you have left water on it , if what you are saying is true then you haven’t had very cold nights , ware we are is one of the mildest places in the country most of the time but Monday the muinit water hit the floor it turned to ice and we had a + 2-3 air temperature. It’s the ground temperature that will affect what happens to the water in the floor more than air temperature.
It’s a good job you live in one of the mildest parts of the country with that attitude…..if you were in Scotland you’d never get any work done.
I’m in Scotland and that sums up my week.
-4 has been the hottest it’s got this week really. I’m looking forward to next week, -2 during the day and that is completely workable with hot water.
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I’d be really paranoid about leaving ice everywhere,.
It’s minus 8 here right now. Near black mountains. Sent everyone home for the rest of the week yesterday.
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I find minus 2 to freeze on the glass but minus 1 I can just about get away with cold water.
I imagine hot water you can get a way with a couple of degrees more.
That's going off weather apps/my van I don't have a thermometer handy so not an exact science I know.
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Who’s out today then? Good luck to those that are.
It’s still -7°c here and only getting as warm as -3°c so I’ll be taking the day off to catch up on admin, bank stuff etc. I’ve managed 4 days so far this week (worked last Saturday) so that may be it until the thaw over the weekend.
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Just popped my head out and it’s -9
Sod that!
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Just cleaned first house entire thing looks like an igloo. Going to have to call back later and redo it.
Sick of this weather now sat about waiting to get going.
Might feck it off shortly not got the patience :D
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Just checked the back of two vans Had oil heaters on all night and hose reels still frozen up. Gonna move everything inside.
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Well, it's been a couple of years or so since I've paid a visit to the forum. I see nothing has changed ;D ;D
Here is my take on the freezing weather.
Threshold of -1 to -2 depending on wind chill factor is fine working with cold.
Threshold of -4 to -5 depending on wind chill factor is fine working with hot.
Anything lower, forget it, not worth the stress, just enjoy a day off. Nothing you can do about it, so roll with it.
I am sure the usual chest beaters will say they can do it ;D
At -8 even my frost protection system understandably struggled. This cold weather can also cause havok with your batteries health.
Social media is going mad with folk taking about todays temperature, from no buses, untreated roads, dangerous paths. I can only imagine what they would think if they saw me out today.
Put kettle on, get a blanket out, fire up Netflix or your games console, and relax. A whole new year of making decent money is just around the corner.
Have a good one guys... And stop squabbling ;D ;D
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Who’s out today then? Good luck to those that are.
It’s still -7°c here and only getting as warm as -3°c so I’ll be taking the day off to catch up on admin, bank stuff etc. I’ve managed 4 days so far this week (worked last Saturday) so that may be it until the thaw over the weekend.
Started at 830am this morning on a commercial job...full 100m off my reel and no problems apart from the odd partial freeze up on the glass...then I cleaned a large house next door....again no problems...
Then as I reeled in I noticed my hose was dead ending....thought it was a kink in the hose but no....must be an ice blockage and that's with hot water!🤣
I've now nipped home and put heater on in van,early lunch and ill try again in another half hour or so...
It was -9 on my first job but you can guarantee you'll see someone wearing shorts!3 guys walking their kids to school! ::)roll ;D
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Nice to see you back wibble...
your spot on with your post
Darran
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Ive only got 3 hours work left to do this week...
1 commercial job(ground floor trad)
6 houses(various sizes)
I might have to put screenwash in my bucket for the trad job!(not done that for 12 years!)🤣
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Well like most guys, im off again today, we could have done with this weather over the Christmas period!!
Im in Norfolk area (near Sandringham) the temp is now around zero still (-5 overnight), I dont have a hot water system, not needed one really, other than an odd day here and there, so this is a pain, but you cant do much about it.
Im in the stay at home camp, (doing some paperwork and diy this week, accounts fully up to speed!) will work next week (all being well) up until the 23rd/24th to make up some time. Then got the New year ahead, plenty of time to work (overtime if you want it, when lighter nights come in) in the scheme of things, its no big deal. Not worth risking creating icy paths etc. but everyone to there own, no point slagging each other off.
All the best guys, make use of your spare time, you will soon be busy again for sure.
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I agree with Steve, I also am very near Sandringham, been -5 most nights 0 to 1 in the day, not enjoyable for me will catch up next week, and staying in the warm.
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Well I got in today and one of my customers had left me a £3 tip through my letter box. The first of the year. I was chuffed, from a lovely old bird.
Then I sat down to check my bank account and I see one of my customers has tipped me via my bank account to the tune of 70 squid. I was quite surprised as im sure you can imagine. Anyway I phoned them up, I wanted to check it wasn't a mistake, considering the size of the tip.
He's an American and said in a true Yankee accent 'Well, its something I should've done a long time ago and we recognise you work hard and its not easy for everybody out there right now, as we have a little to spare you're welcome, have a nice Christmas'.
That made my day.
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well today was the first time in years I've had to come home from a frozen hose reel, I was out in the sticks today and it was about -5 out there compared to +3 when I left home,
done the first 2 jobs okay but on the 3rd job the hose was completely frozen (from pulling it over the frozen grass) so I decided to go home and take a day off.
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I cannot over emphasise the benefits of a diesel Hot Water system come home plug hose into tank and forget about it,we have lots of winter left yet last year I was working in the snow on March 31st.
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I cannot over emphasise the benefits of a diesel Hot Water system come home plug hose into tank and forget about it,we have lots of winter left yet last year I was working in the snow on March 31st.
I'm certainly not going to spend a fortune on a hot water system for the sake of 1 day off in about 4 years!
Oh and BTW emphasise is spelt emphasize lol
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I cannot over emphasise the benefits of a diesel Hot Water system
You can and do regularly.
You haven't worked this week because your hot water diesel system doesn't cut the mustard when its cold.
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I cannot over emphasise the benefits of a diesel Hot Water system
You can and do regularly.
You haven't worked this week because your hot water diesel system doesn't cut the mustard when it’s cold.
Brilliant. ;D
Every time you type something you make yourself look more and more stupid Nigel.
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all my work completed this week..even cleaned my van straight after my last job of the day.
very happy and content.... :)
off now til monday morning.......a week of rain next week! ;D
worksheets downloaded and slips printed out ready for monday.... 8)
have a good weekend chaps
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I cannot over emphasise the benefits of a diesel Hot Water system
You can and do regularly.
You haven't worked this week because your hot water diesel system doesn't cut the mustard when its cold.
I haven’t worked this week because 1 you can’t stand up and 2 I’m not desperate for the money.
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I cannot over emphasise the benefits of a diesel Hot Water system
You can and do regularly.
You haven't worked this week because your hot water diesel system doesn't cut the mustard when it’s cold.
Brilliant. ;D
Every time you type something you make yourself look more and more stupid Nigel.
Brilliant ah lol oh lol brilliant like a bully with holes in his shoes at school and a dirty collar on his shirt coz he didn’t have a washing machine 😂.
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We must have been lucky last few years because I can't remember the last time I worked in conditions as cold as this week. Wasnt till 11am when water stopped freezing on the glass today I think I must have managed to clean 3 houses before that time starting at half 8 was totally pointless.
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Minus 4 working on the outskirts today, very little wind but glass was freezing up half way down the patio doors once the water went on. Wfp the top half the patio doors, plastic scraper to remove the ice on bottom half of glass, and finish off polling the bottom half. It's a bugger when people ain't heating half their houses, can notice it big time.
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No work or Loose Women (the TV programme, that is) for me today.
I've been skivvying for the lads doing some joinery work and it'll be the same for the plumber tomorrow.
It's not been a bad week to write off and get the jobs on the house that have been on hold done.
I might do a couple of days next week.
Balls to it!
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We must have been lucky last few years because I can't remember the last time I worked in conditions as cold as this week. Wasnt till 11am when water stopped freezing on the glass today I think I must have managed to clean 3 houses before that time starting at half 8 was totally pointless.
How did you defrost the hose reel etc? My whole system has been a block of ice. Absolutely chockablock.
Did you take it all inside oher night?
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Mine was defrosted by 10.30 apart from pump to reel which goes up the side and along under the roof and down other side........took it off hose reel, put ladder up and climbed up above roof with hose and poured boiling water from kettle down it.....took about ten minutes to clear it then got water flowing..........then I packed it all up and took day off after all that........
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Sun shines straight down drive from about 09.30 till about 1.00pm so left back doors open.
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We must have been lucky last few years because I can't remember the last time I worked in conditions as cold as this week. Wasnt till 11am when water stopped freezing on the glass today I think I must have managed to clean 3 houses before that time starting at half 8 was totally pointless.
How did you defrost the hose reel etc? My whole system has been a block of ice. Absolutely chockablock.
Did you take it all inside oher night?
Mine froze sunday night, i defrosted it monday by putting an oil rad in there on full for about 5 hours .I havent forgot the rad every night since i have it now on a temperature operated plug so it comes on when temp drops to 1 degree.
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Sun shines straight down drive from about 09.30 till about 1.00pm so left back doors open.
I tried that, still didn’t defrost!
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We must have been lucky last few years because I can't remember the last time I worked in conditions as cold as this week. Wasnt till 11am when water stopped freezing on the glass today I think I must have managed to clean 3 houses before that time starting at half 8 was totally pointless.
How did you defrost the hose reel etc? My whole system has been a block of ice. Absolutely chockablock.
Did you take it all inside oher night?
Mine froze sunday night, i defrosted it monday by putting an oil rad in there on full for about 5 hours .I havent forgot the rad every night since i have it now on a temperature operated plug so it comes on when temp drops to 1 degree.
My diesel air heater came today, so I’ll be firing that up tomorrow morning!
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You got a link to the diesel air heater?
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Type in 5kw diesel heater into Amazon, unfortunately the one I bought is now out of stock. Loads of others on there though. Mine is a maxpeeding one.
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I pay a full month regardless of weather time off due to sickness etc he’s been off for over 2 weeks he will get paid,I haven’t bothered this week due to bad weather and probably will only work Thursday and Friday.
What you need to really think about Cranky Frank is getting a well heeled Mrs because at the end of the day bills need to be paid,I’ve told her don’t get ugly or I’ll be off.
If you haven’t got capital and you employ and you do it correctly it’s going to cost you it has and it is us,van insurance and employer’s liability is an extra 1000 notes on top of what I was paying and that’s just 1 little bill Franky Panky.
Like I said get a rich Mrs but make sure she looks good or it’s pointless some things I won’t do for money 🤣🤣.
MWH you make yours out to be a complete tool you even make gold sound sensible
for years you argued a toss pot about its not right to employee, you even argued with people who employed yet you where righ !!!!!
for years you argued about cant work with out a hot water system and guess what your sat at home cant work !!!!!!
you done more U-turns than FIFA @the world cup
ps my wife is a kept women thanks,
just take the time to sit their(you got plenty) and think about how you come across to everyone on here,just think before you write ;D ;D
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I. Am. Sat. At. Home. Coz. I can’t. Stand. Up. Round. These. Parts. U Dowen. Rissssseeenn.
I own an old T5 leave me alone I haven’t got a pot.
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We must have been lucky last few years because I can't remember the last time I worked in conditions as cold as this week. Wasnt till 11am when water stopped freezing on the glass today I think I must have managed to clean 3 houses before that time starting at half 8 was totally pointless.
I cant remember losing any time last winter, and a cold spell like this pre xmas is unheard of round here, odd frost yes but not this.
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I. Am. Sat. At. Home. Coz. I can’t. Stand. Up. Round. These. Parts. U Dowen. Rissssseeenn.
I own an old T5 leave me alone I haven’t got a pot.
I actually laughed out loud ;D
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We must have been lucky last few years because I can't remember the last time I worked in conditions as cold as this week. Wasnt till 11am when water stopped freezing on the glass today I think I must have managed to clean 3 houses before that time starting at half 8 was totally pointless.
How did you defrost the hose reel etc? My whole system has been a block of ice. Absolutely chockablock.
Did you take it all inside oher night?
Oil filled radiator over night. In these temperatures your gear will probably freeze until it gets to -1 and above. I've been asking customers if I can have a bucket of hot water. Dunk the brush head in it, connectors, hose, hands.....it helped this morning but it still froze on the glass at some houses. It used to be conservatories that froze on cold days, now it's the whole house. People have got to be cutting back on the heating.
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A lot of people say Reach-it brushes are too expensive and some give the company that supply these brushes a bad name but I haven't had any problems using their reach-it range of brushes.
I cleaned patio doors with radial lite brushes and the bottom of the glass was freezing up before I had a chance to finish in minus 4 today.
Swapped over brushes and used a Reach-it ultra lite brush with a white scouring pad fitted to the inside of the bristle perimeter to a mounting pad by means of a velcro pad to clean a conservatory (with no heating inside the conservatory) and never once had a chance to freeze before I'd finish wfp on the glass as the white scouring pad fitted inside the brush pulled all the water down as I was cleaning. Love these brushes for regular cleans and heavily soiled glass, removes everything so easily. One wash/scrub/rinse pass from top to bottom and the clean is done, no time for water to freeze before completing a window. Love d using this brush today, proved it's self today and it weighs less than an extreme brush.
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Gotta love old Perry I here he’s started selling sheep skin coats 🧥 down petticoat lane again.
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Gotta love old Perry I here he’s started selling sheep skin coats 🧥 down petticoat lane again.
I heard he's going into heated snow shovels Nigel. You should buy one 💪
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I’m putting in a complaint first thing tomorrow morning to Oliver at GrippaTank I turned my heater on this morning and I still got stuck down a country lane in 2 foot of snow ⛄️,what a waste of money that was that heater.
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What, you had another foot of snow last night?
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🤪🤪🤪🤪
Thing is Nigel is serious….
😜🤪😜🤣
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I pay a full month regardless of weather time off due to sickness etc he’s been off for over 2 weeks he will get paid,I haven’t bothered this week due to bad weather and probably will only work Thursday and Friday.
What you need to really think about Cranky Frank is getting a well heeled Mrs because at the end of the day bills need to be paid,I’ve told her don’t get ugly or I’ll be off.
If you haven’t got capital and you employ and you do it correctly it’s going to cost you it has and it is us,van insurance and employer’s liability is an extra 1000 notes on top of what I was paying and that’s just 1 little bill Franky Panky.
Like I said get a rich Mrs but make sure she looks good or it’s pointless some things I won’t do for money 🤣🤣.
MWH you make yours out to be a complete tool you even make gold sound sensible
for years you argued a toss pot about its not right to employee, you even argued with people who employed yet you where righ !!!!!
for years you argued about cant work with out a hot water system and guess what your sat at home cant work !!!!!!
you done more U-turns than FIFA @the world cup
ps my wife is a kept women thanks,
just take the time to sit their(you got plenty) and think about how you come across to everyone on here,just think before you write ;D ;D
Love it. Franky has the open goal of NWH and his drivel yet he can't get his initials right or write in reasonable English.
Harry Kane did better. ;D
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Yeah he’s a looker as well that Kane eh lol 😂 cor blimey no mirrors in his house.
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Of course he can’t get my name right and spelling etc you can feel and see the panic and vinegar strokes when he’s saying something about me.
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I still got stuck down a country lane in 2 foot of snow
Normally I’ve got no time for you as your stories have more twists and turns than an Agatha Christie novel but a genuine question here this time.
Is there actually still snow on the roads down wherever you live?
I’ve been working in the sticks all week (I’d argue its safer in this weather than estate work) and whilst the over nights temps have hit -8 at points, the clear skies and sunshine have still melted all the snow. (Not to mention the gritters and road traffic)
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Woke up to 2” of snow here in Fife this morning. More snow forecast up until midday……….all that after having my immersion on for 8 hours last night😖. That should make you chuckle Nigel😆
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Someone needs to put a pic of the snow on the ground and on vehicles round Nigel’s way.
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I'm not used to sat around at this time waiting to go out lol don't know what to do with myself still minus 3
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I'm reckon NWH is speaking hypothetically but I'm not sure why.
If we did have some proper snow he wouldn't be able to work with his hot water system. But did he?
We've still got snow on the ground but the main roads are clear. The side roads are still icy though. Yet a few miles down the road things are better.
Nigel does have a point but I'm not sure why he's making it ;D.
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Someone needs to put a pic of the snow on the ground and on vehicles round Nigel’s way.
Bexhill isnt it?
https://www.camsecure.co.uk/bexhill_on_sea_webcam.html
Heres Tunbridge Wells where he does some work...snow but doesnt look too bad..
https://www.freewayfastfit.co.uk/apps/livecam.html
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I'm not used to sat around at this time waiting to go out lol don't know what to do with myself still minus 3
-3 is perfectly workable with hot....I've completed my work this week so I nice 3 day weekend
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Not stressing it. Been out for a run on the trails, done an hour adding extra insulation to the loft, now for a nice warm bath and walk into the village for a hair cut and lunch. Work will still be there on Monday.
Just realised I sound like Dazmond here ;D
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not until you add....
heated van seat....
5 star holiday to the Maldives..
baked beans floating on a try in the pool for breakfast
;D
Darran
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What you cold water boys want is something called a heat hog they take a small propane canister very compact and ideal to be moved around frozen or very cold parts of the van.
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I have a Stanley space heater. Van hasn’t frozen up once since I’ve had it, it’s great.
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Not stressing it. Been out for a run on the trails, done an hour adding extra insulation to the loft, now for a nice warm bath and walk into the village for a hair cut and lunch. Work will still be there on Monday.
Just realised I sound like Dazmond here ;D
;D ;D
I'm full of a cold and chest infection and have been all week so no gym for me. Really missing it!but ill take the dog out for a walk later....
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Started off with five layers and finished up in t-shirt & jeans.
Went from -2 to about 15c in the sun.
Ice in the shade and steam on the other side.
A very peculiar day.
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Not stressing it. Been out for a run on the trails, done an hour adding extra insulation to the loft, now for a nice warm bath and walk into the village for a hair cut and lunch. Work will still be there on Monday.
Just realised I sound like Dazmond here ;D
;D ;D
I'm full of a cold and chest infection and have been all week so no gym for me. Really missing it!but ill take the dog out for a walk later....
Lot of it about, 8th day of it for me ,throat still feels like im swallowing razor blades.