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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on October 09, 2022, 08:30:50 pm
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Looking to try something different. Currently getting about 3 weeks optimal and 8 weeks total out of current supremes.
Just can't seem to find a gardiner brush that fits my bill and lasts a reasonable time.
Looking for something soft with good splay. The Xline ones look good.🤔
Any recommendations?
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Tucker.
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I take it you’ve tried the tapertec supreme ?
I’m getting much much longer from them , about 6 months
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We use the supreame stiff with hot water and get around 6 months from them
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Looking to try something different. Currently getting about 3 weeks optimal and 8 weeks total out of current supremes.
Just can't seem to find a gardiner brush that fits my bill and lasts a reasonable time.
Looking for something soft with good splay. The Xline ones look good.🤔
Any recommendations?
I use the stiff supreme for lots of my work with hot water and they easily last a year before they need replacing.even an xtreme brush will last me 3 months before binning.
I use an xline flocked for washing the van.good brush to be fair just a tad too heavy for my liking for window cleaning....
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Gardiner ultimate medium 26 lasts 'forever' for me. (Red stock - yellow bristles)
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Looking to try something different. Currently getting about 3 weeks optimal and 8 weeks total out of current supremes.
Just can't seem to find a gardiner brush that fits my bill and lasts a reasonable time.
Looking for something soft with good splay. The Xline ones look good.🤔
Any recommendations?
I’ve recently tried pouring boiling water from the kettle down the bristles of my supreme flocked. Straightens them back out, especially the sort of curled up matted ends.
I was only getting about the same amount of use from the supreme since switching from the superlite. It’s a shame but i get that’s it a balance with weight & longevity. I don’t want to use the stiff on my cold water setup. I don’t like the feel of stiff brushes. Different with hot i guess.
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Looking to try something different. Currently getting about 3 weeks optimal and 8 weeks total out of current supremes.
Just can't seem to find a gardiner brush that fits my bill and lasts a reasonable time.
Looking for something soft with good splay. The Xline ones look good.🤔
Any recommendations?
I’ve recently tried pouring boiling water from the kettle down the bristles of my supreme flocked. Straightens them back out, especially the sort of curled up matted ends.
I was only getting about the same amount of use from the supreme since switching from the superlite. It’s a shame but i get that’s it a balance with weight & longevity. I don’t want to use the stiff on my cold water setup. I don’t like the feel of stiff brushes. Different with hot i guess.
I'll give that a try.👍
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Flocked extreme cill brushes for me. Seem to hold their shape but terrible for spiders nests.
If it’s a really spidery property i have gone over the corners with a spike on a spare pole.
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All that flocked Extreme needs is the end bristles changing for stiffer ones,just the outer rows not inner that problem you talk about with the spiders would be sorted.
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
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Ultimate flocked lasts ages with hot water
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They do but the general range of brushes or what you would call traditional shaped brushes go out of shape quicker with hot water,they deform in the centre and even when reshaped never last that long without it happening again.
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The good old superlite is a great brush. Ive had one over a year and it still looks new.
For the last few years ive always used extreme brushes but the superlite feels a lot better on the glass, good splay, soft and covers the glass quicker.
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
Worst brush I have ever used plus it’s heavy , I sent pictures to x line asking for there thought s they said they couldn’t comment as they didn’t know what the brush had been used for , but apart from the flattened bristles there wasn’t a mark on it . 3 days and to be fair that wasn’t 3 full days either actual working hours probably less that 16 hours .
I had a rectangular one and also the sill version both lasted just days .
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
Worst brush I have ever used plus it’s heavy , I sent pictures to x line asking for there thought s they said they couldn’t comment as they didn’t know what the brush had been used for , but apart from the flattened bristles there wasn’t a mark on it . 3 days and to be fair that wasn’t 3 full days either actual working hours probably less that 16 hours .
I had a rectangular one and also the sill version both lasted just days .
Very strange...I will.agree they're not the lightest brushes but ive always found they last well with good scrubbing power....I find the gardiners brushes that don't last these days.
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
Worst brush I have ever used plus it’s heavy , I sent pictures to x line asking for there thought s they said they couldn’t comment as they didn’t know what the brush had been used for , but apart from the flattened bristles there wasn’t a mark on it . 3 days and to be fair that wasn’t 3 full days either actual working hours probably less that 16 hours .
I had a rectangular one and also the sill version both lasted just days .
Very strange...I will.agree they're not the lightest brushes but ive always found they last well with good scrubbing power....I find the gardiners brushes that don't last these days.
I was very surprised I bought them due to the good reviews , I find the gardiner supreame brushes last the best I have tried most things over the years , we do use hot water but x line assured me they would be fine with it but they weren’t .
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Hopeless with Hot water those Xlines.
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ive got too xline brushes flocked and stiff the flocked handles hot ok the stiff splayed out very quick them stiff orange brisels bend out but the inner gray are much better still there no getting round it there heavy and not nice to use
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
Worst brush I have ever used plus it’s heavy , I sent pictures to x line asking for there thought s they said they couldn’t comment as they didn’t know what the brush had been used for , but apart from the flattened bristles there wasn’t a mark on it . 3 days and to be fair that wasn’t 3 full days either actual working hours probably less that 16 hours .
I had a rectangular one and also the sill version both lasted just days .
Very strange...I will.agree they're not the lightest brushes but ive always found they last well with good scrubbing power....I find the gardiners brushes that don't last these days.
Used xline sill brushes for years, brilliant with their rinse bar (cold water use), but as you say a bit weighty if your used to Gardiners brushes. Its obvious Gardiners will always persue their usp of having the lightest brushes because it sells brushes but that doesn't always go hand in hand with having the best product for the end user. I wish Gardiners would just loosen their obsession with weight a little and concentrate on quality a bit more, I recently ordered a supreme for the 1st time and have to say am very impressed i just wish they could come up with an internal rinse bar which would mean adding bristles to compensate for the gap needed to fit it but of course that adds weight but would be a dream to use. The existing rinse bar fitted on the top of the brush is a dreadful idea, about as practical as a chocolate tea pot.
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You need to look at what you need to get a window clean and it’s not something as heavy as an Xline brush,the slightest extra weight at the end of a pole is magnified 10 fold at the other end.
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
Worst brush I have ever used plus it’s heavy , I sent pictures to x line asking for there thought s they said they couldn’t comment as they didn’t know what the brush had been used for , but apart from the flattened bristles there wasn’t a mark on it . 3 days and to be fair that wasn’t 3 full days either actual working hours probably less that 16 hours .
I had a rectangular one and also the sill version both lasted just days .
Very strange...I will.agree they're not the lightest brushes but ive always found they last well with good scrubbing power....I find the gardiners brushes that don't last these days.
Used xline sill brushes for years, brilliant with their rinse bar (cold water use), but as you say a bit weighty if your used to Gardiners brushes. Its obvious Gardiners will always persue their usp of having the lightest brushes because it sells brushes but that doesn't always go hand in hand with having the best product for the end user. I wish Gardiners would just loosen their obsession with weight a little and concentrate on quality a bit more, I recently ordered a supreme for the 1st time and have to say am very impressed i just wish they could come up with an internal rinse bar which would mean adding bristles to compensate for the gap needed to fit it but of course that adds weight but would be a dream to use. The existing rinse bar fitted on the top of the brush is a dreadful idea, about as practical as a chocolate tea pot.
I have tried a variety of rinse bars and fan jets don’t like any of them , we prefer 2mm pencil jets , I had rinse bars with the xline brush and found it hit the raised parts of the window frames . I gave staff the option asking them what they prefer they all chose the Gardiner’s supreame stiff with pencil jets
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If your after longevity the Xline brushes are really good especially the dupont....
Lol I destroyed one of them in 3 days totally useless 😂😂😂😂
3 days? I don't think so ;D I have used several they always last me around 12months...
Worst brush I have ever used plus it’s heavy , I sent pictures to x line asking for there thought s they said they couldn’t comment as they didn’t know what the brush had been used for , but apart from the flattened bristles there wasn’t a mark on it . 3 days and to be fair that wasn’t 3 full days either actual working hours probably less that 16 hours .
I had a rectangular one and also the sill version both lasted just days .
Very strange...I will.agree they're not the lightest brushes but ive always found they last well with good scrubbing power....I find the gardiners brushes that don't last these days.
Used xline sill brushes for years, brilliant with their rinse bar (cold water use), but as you say a bit weighty if your used to Gardiners brushes. Its obvious Gardiners will always persue their usp of having the lightest brushes because it sells brushes but that doesn't always go hand in hand with having the best product for the end user. I wish Gardiners would just loosen their obsession with weight a little and concentrate on quality a bit more, I recently ordered a supreme for the 1st time and have to say am very impressed i just wish they could come up with an internal rinse bar which would mean adding bristles to compensate for the gap needed to fit it but of course that adds weight but would be a dream to use. The existing rinse bar fitted on the top of the brush is a dreadful idea, about as practical as a chocolate tea pot.
I wish gardiners would go back to the original brass jets, way too many bristles missing to accommodate the plastic jet capsules! I've never changed jets on a brush in 18 years of wfp! To me it's solved a problem that didn't exist and caused a bigger one!
The old, original Xtremes with the narrow but thicker stock were SO much better and more effective than the current offerings. The Supremes are my current favourite, I just wish Gardiners would reduce the bristle length by about 5mm- they work so much better in this form.
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The stiff supreme is the best brush for hot water IMO.i just wish they would make a stiff xtreme out of the same bristles as they wouldn't go out of shape half as often!
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Tucker.
Ive had a tucker for 5 years and its in better condition than brushes ive had for 6 months, great scrubbing power on it.
Only problem when using it for a couple of hours straight you feel the extra weight slowing you down.
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Closest you’ll get in reduced weight is a Gardiner DuPont another one worth a try is the wider DuPont 4 jet version 👌.
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Closest you’ll get in reduced weight is a Gardiner DuPont another one worth a try is the wider DuPont 4 jet version 👌.
Ive got around 8 different brushes on the van, my go to is the extreme 14" with 4 x 2mm jets. I just cant find anything to beat this set up. Its light, fast and accurate around the top edges when needed I can "cut in" like a proffesional painter and decorator. And the rinse is awesome.
Every now and then I fancy a change but end up swapping back in a few jobs.
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Yeah I have the same brush brilliant for what you described and overall really apart from leads,I think once you’ve cleaned plain glass with no bars-lead on them with the wider brush it’s harder going back to the narrower brush as it’s far less scrubs up and down needed.
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Yeah I have the same brush brilliant for what you described and overall really apart from leads,I think once you’ve cleaned plain glass with no bars-lead on them with the wider brush it’s harder going back to the narrower brush as it’s far less scrubs up and down needed.
Totaly agree, I have managed to keep one of the old versions with the balck hair in the middle and that works ok for the odd lead here and there if push down hard it seems to glide over them. The newer dupont ones do seem to lift the lead more.
Much prefer the older ones
With some narrower panes you only need once up and dwon where with a smaller brush you have to do that twice, and I couldnt attempt some of the bigger windows with what seems like a toothbrush now them little 10" brushes look funny and your working twice as hard to get the scrubbing done.
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Honestly I can’t believe how much quicker it makes you over a standard brush on all stuff but noticeable quicker on leads and small panes,I’ve had a full trim version for a month or so and it’s heavier than the one we are on about I would love to see this full trim version in an Extreme stock be a game changer.
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Yeah I have the same brush brilliant for what you described and overall really apart from leads,I think once you’ve cleaned plain glass with no bars-lead on them with the wider brush it’s harder going back to the narrower brush as it’s far less scrubs up and down needed.
But they are no good for hot water
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They don’t last DuPonts but this one has not been too bad but it’s alternated with the flocked wide Extreme so it lasts longer,this new DuPont full trim is noticeable heavier than the 2 I’ve mentioned don’t think it’s extreme weight if you buy one but it cleans superbly well.
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It’s extreme in weight compare to other makes though.
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The stiff supreme is the best brush for hot water IMO.i just wish they would make a stiff xtreme out of the same bristles as they wouldn't go out of shape half as often!
I did ask alex about that in another thread but he didn't seem too interested .....shame!
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The only thing I can see this brush working on is plain glass stiff-soft it catches on leads and Georgian bars unless you like cleaning sideways up and down all day long.
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Been using Gardiner medium soft cill brushes for the last year . Great brushes only ones we use . But I’m finding em too heavy , but the lads love em and don’t want owt else , they are younger and fitter than me . So I went and got an extreme cill brush this morning. Used it a couple of hours and very happy with it , except a bit bumpy on the edge of some frames . Are the bumpers any good . Forgot to get some to try . Are they any good . ? I’m not being tight , but it means another trip over to my local shop if they are no good . Anyone use em ?
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I’ve never needed the bumpers I’ve used extreme sills for years you’d have to be heavy handed and clumsy the mark anything imo.
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Thanks . I’ll see how I get on next week .
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I use the extreme sills, both flocked and medium for 95% of my work.
On old square lead, I find the old supreme (with black inner bristles) is far better than the newer one. It's also my favourite brush for soffits and gutters etc.
I also have an Xline brush with the rinse bar and it's a good brush, but I just prefer my extremes with 2 standard jets on a high flow.
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My son cleaned our windows this morning with my new extreme cill brush , he said the same as me , just feels a bit clunky on the edges of the frames . Think it must be when you have used the regular cill brush with bristles on the sides for so long it probably will .
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It's either a stiff standard xtreme brush or a stiff supreme for all my work.these are the only brushes I use these days for window cleaning...
I'm long past trying every brush on the market!😄
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Xtreme tapertech hybrid for everything.
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I wouldn’t give employees extremes give them something slightly heavier so it flattens more on the glass and scrubs harder,I’ve had to go back and get some done again due to the fact it was being used like a mascara brush lol.
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What's with all this staff malarky ?
for years you've claimed its a fools game to employ.....
Darran
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Well, after all that I've ordered another supreme!😁
You just can't buy any other brush which has any meaningful amount of side splay! Only other option is Vikan at double the weight. Been using a dupont Ultimate last 2 days and it just feels so restricted in it's ability to get into tight corners and sash runners. It also bangs and rubs frames SO much more than a Supreme!
Looked at every brush on the market, the Tucker looks terrible- cheap looking with hideous jet placement. What I've noticed is that none of these rectangular offerings appear to have any useful amount of side splay? I'm sure even Gardiners rectangular used to have more side splay?
I now wish I had tried one of those 'aerial' brushes that Richard (TecBuk?) used to offer. Thinking back, I reckon they would have been pretty good- although the stock was pretty brutal.
I'll say it again, just incase Alex or any other manufacturer/retailer is listening😁 there is huge potential in the supreme stock format, this style of brush needs developing, it's potentially the brush to eclipse all other 'every day' brushes- at least!!😎👌