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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: combat1 on September 27, 2022, 10:18:37 pm

Title: Immersion users
Post by: combat1 on September 27, 2022, 10:18:37 pm
For those that use immersion heaters for pure water.
Are you planning to continue using the immersion when the energy price rise hits in October?
I think I will cut mine down to very cold weather and when I have a minging property to clean.
My round does not really support daily use with the costs rising.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: AuRavelling79 on September 27, 2022, 10:25:13 pm
For those that use immersion heaters for pure water.
Are you planning to continue using the immersion when the energy price rise hits in October?
I think I will cut mine down to very cold weather and when I have a minging property to clean.
My round does not really support daily use with the costs rising.

I will carry on much as before. I am a sole operator using household electricity.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Smudger on September 27, 2022, 11:08:45 pm
I only heat the water when the temp is lower than 3 degrees overnight - so not much will change

Darran
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: alank on September 28, 2022, 07:40:36 am
I only use it to prevent gear freezing so will continue to use it when needed.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Shrek on September 28, 2022, 07:43:59 am
My gas/elec bill has just been reduced by £30 a month which is cheaper than it was in October 2021. I don’t warm my water up for work but if I was to, I’d look at reducing my personal use in the house (turning lights off when not in use, only boil a cup full of water when making one brew etc) to try and balance things out.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Shrek on September 28, 2022, 10:15:03 am
It’s also a business expense.

Source - my accountant
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: dazmond on September 28, 2022, 06:11:30 pm
I hate using cold water for window cleaning on all but the hottest of days...

Sod using cold water in autumn/winter! :)

It works out around £20 a week....easily affordable for me.👌
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: combat1 on September 28, 2022, 07:55:04 pm
I reckon mine would be around £10 a night at the new rate.
It used to cost around what a diesel user would spend.
I may be wrong but 2kw at 10 hours.
Treated myself to hot today before the rates go up😁
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: DJW on September 29, 2022, 08:23:14 am
I overpaid all spring and summer so bought my gas and electric when it was cheap. Should last a couple of years.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Splash & dash on September 29, 2022, 08:37:27 am
I overpaid all spring and summer so bought my gas and electric when it was cheap. Should last a couple of years.



Just beacause you may be in credit doesn’t mean the price rises won’t affect you  your price per unit will still go up ,
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Mike Halliday on September 29, 2022, 08:44:43 am
I overpaid all spring and summer so bought my gas and electric when it was cheap. Should last a couple of years.

I know you are being satirical but…..You didn’t pay for your gas & electric, you gave them your money to look after until it go into a deficit, they put it into their bank account to earn themselves interest on your money ;)
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Jonny 87 on September 29, 2022, 01:28:24 pm
I’d still recommend to just bite the bullet and get a diesel heater.   ;D

Yes it’s a bit of an investment, but after that it’s about £5 per day and no prep needed. Just flick a switch and get warm or hot water at the turn of a dial.

This is my 4th winter with it now and I’d never go back.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: High-Tower on September 29, 2022, 04:56:15 pm
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: HCS on September 29, 2022, 05:17:35 pm
I’d still recommend to just bite the bullet and get a diesel heater.   ;D

Yes it’s a bit of an investment, but after that it’s about £5 per day and no prep needed. Just flick a switch and get warm or hot water at the turn of a dial.

This is my 4th winter with it now and I’d never go back.

Do you recommend a supplier? Cheers
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Jonny 87 on September 29, 2022, 06:06:06 pm
I’d still recommend to just bite the bullet and get a diesel heater.   ;D

Yes it’s a bit of an investment, but after that it’s about £5 per day and no prep needed. Just flick a switch and get warm or hot water at the turn of a dial.

This is my 4th winter with it now and I’d never go back.

Do you recommend a supplier? Cheers

Grippatank for me all the way.

Excellent customer service, and they know the heaters inside out. They can build them from the ground up and if there are any issues or faults they won’t hang around in sorting it out.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Jonny 87 on September 29, 2022, 06:11:42 pm
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.

I know that’s the figures, but in real world use im definitely not £10 per day on diesel.  It must be the cool down time between jobs etc. it’s not running flat out through all the working day. 
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on September 29, 2022, 07:01:07 pm
Temperature drops outside frost stat comes on and circulates hot water and keeps everything frost free overnight,forget cleaning windows with the benefit of hot water that in itself is worth the money.
Funny how this time of the year this comes up as the months skip by the closer we get to the end of March the more of a waste of money they are 🤣🤣🤣.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: dazmond on September 29, 2022, 07:05:00 pm
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.

My diesel heater is running for around 6 hours a day  and uses nowhere near £10 a day...mines on full heat too all year round....

I put around £30 diesel per week in my van for heating water and driving around(I only use my van for work)....👍
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on September 29, 2022, 07:36:10 pm
Unless you can use sign language Daz you’ve got no chance.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Shrek on September 29, 2022, 08:35:12 pm
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.

My diesel heater is running for around 6 hours a day  and uses nowhere near £10 a day...mines on full heat too all year round....

I put around £30 diesel per week in my van for heating water and driving around(I only use my van for work)....👍

You were paying £5 a day for the diesel for your heater back in 2019 when it was £1.28 a litre , have you got your figures mixed up a bit ?
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Splash & dash on September 29, 2022, 10:26:33 pm
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.

I know that’s the figures, but in real world use im definitely not £10 per day on diesel.  It must be the cool down time between jobs etc. it’s not running flat out through all the working day.


Mine is running 7-8 hours per day and I think it’s using around 1.25 ltr per hour it’s difficult to be exact as it’s plumbed in to the vehicles fuel tank ,.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on September 30, 2022, 06:55:32 am
It’s all about the simplicity of a diesel heater you push a button and you have hot water,no running cables in to a van for hours 5 minutes for me not 5 odd hours.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: deeege on September 30, 2022, 07:10:42 am
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.

My diesel heater is running for around 6 hours a day  and uses nowhere near £10 a day...mines on full heat too all year round....

I put around £30 diesel per week in my van for heating water and driving around(I only use my van for work)....👍

You were paying £5 a day for the diesel for your heater back in 2019 when it was £1.28 a litre , have you got your figures mixed up a bit ?

Wish I lived in Dazmonds world, where somehow the price of diesel has fallen the last couple of years.  ;D
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Spruce on September 30, 2022, 09:43:22 am
It’s all about the simplicity of a diesel heater you push a button and you have hot water,no running cables in to a van for hours 5 minutes for me not 5 odd hours.

......... and you are only heating the water you are using. However, on the downside, we are also using diesel that is generating heat, +- 50% of which is going out of the exhaust. There have been attempts to capture that waste heat, but I've yet to see a viable solution.

The downside with electric is that you heat the tank of water in advance overnight without knowing if you can work the following day due to bad weather, etc.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: P @ F on September 30, 2022, 09:45:25 am
I’m still lurking  ;D
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Spruce on September 30, 2022, 10:12:09 am
I’m still lurking  ;D

Hey Rich. How are you doing? We have seen you for ages. 😁
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on September 30, 2022, 10:13:38 am
That’s what I have always thought heating the water up only to get rained off too much faffing again it’s about making you’re life easier day to day,light poles electric reels hot water all goes towards making it a better and far easier working day.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: tlwcs on September 30, 2022, 12:17:57 pm
I’m still lurking  ;D

I texted you the other day, you miserable bugger!
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on September 30, 2022, 12:19:07 pm
I bet he’s been getting loads of texts due to the change in temperatures 😂.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: KS Cleaning on September 30, 2022, 08:38:42 pm
It’s all about the simplicity of a diesel heater you push a button and you have hot water,no running cables in to a van for hours 5 minutes for me not 5 odd hours.
Don’t you run a cable to charge your batteries?
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on September 30, 2022, 08:59:57 pm
I run a cable to charge my batteries for 8-10 hours 1 day or so every 3 weeks or a month, since I’ve reconnected a couple of wires inside the fuse holder it’s been working and charging off the split charger like it should do.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: AuRavelling79 on October 10, 2022, 08:13:00 am
I haven't started using my immersion just yet but am beginning to feel the stiffness in the hose first thing in the morning. (behave)

Anyone else using their immersion yet?
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: alank on October 10, 2022, 04:02:39 pm
I don't start using it until the overnight temperature drops to around zero.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: dazmond on October 10, 2022, 06:32:16 pm
Dont forget how much diesel has gone up aswell.

500l heated to 60 degrees takes around 32kwh of electricity = 32kwh x £0.34 = £10.88
Diesel heater 6hrs a day = 6 x £1.79 = £10.74

immersion heater - 2kw element = £70 + immersion boss =£20. all done for £100.
Grippatank 9.1kw heater = £4,500 installed.

I'll still use mine on freezing nights. £5/10 of electricity is cheaper than a loosing an hour or 2 waiting for pumps or reels to thaw.

My diesel heater is running for around 6 hours a day  and uses nowhere near £10 a day...mines on full heat too all year round....

I put around £30 diesel per week in my van for heating water and driving around(I only use my van for work)....👍

You were paying £5 a day for the diesel for your heater back in 2019 when it was £1.28 a litre , have you got your figures mixed up a bit ?

Wish I lived in Dazmonds world, where somehow the price of diesel has fallen the last couple of years.  ;D

Your correct...I'm wrong...I put £150 in my van last month and £140 the month before that so it's more like £35-£40 per week I currently pay for heating my water and driving around.👍
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on October 10, 2022, 07:00:02 pm
Yeah and imo that’s still a bargain for piping hot water when I fancy it.
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: the king on October 11, 2022, 11:09:27 pm
I run gas heater £46 every 3 weeks upgrading to diesel heater soon tho looking forward to frost start no more worry about freezing up over night
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: Splash & dash on October 12, 2022, 04:36:41 pm
I run a cable to charge my batteries for 8-10 hours 1 day or so every 3 weeks or a month, since I’ve reconnected a couple of wires inside the fuse holder it’s been working and charging off the split charger like it should do.


You must be doing some serious mileage every day to charge batteries up when using a 9 kw boiler all day plus pumps and electric reels ?  I have 400 amp s and charge mine daily
Title: Re: Immersion users
Post by: NWH on October 12, 2022, 06:22:24 pm
Honestly m8 we do 50-70 miles a day and it keeps pumping I charge it every few weeks over a Sunday, Oliver worked it out with my mileage etc and said it needed to be charged more but it’s working fine having a new burner and glow pin fitted this week.