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Title: TDS
Post by: JandS on September 19, 2022, 04:20:24 pm
TDS round here as been 70/90 for last few years so I'm double di.....this Summer it crept up to 115/125 at times so was still ok with it hoping it would drop down again........last fill last week was reading 1 so that usually means I'll get another week out of it before it hits 5......filled up for tomorrow and it's reading 6.....out of tap today is reading 157, what's happened?
Any small scale RO systems out there that don't take an age to fill?
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Spruce on September 19, 2022, 05:22:21 pm
TDS round here as been 70/90 for last few years so I'm double di.....this Summer it crept up to 115/125 at times so was still ok with it hoping it would drop down again........last fill last week was reading 1 so that usually means I'll get another week out of it before it hits 5......filled up for tomorrow and it's reading 6.....out of tap today is reading 157, what's happened?
Any small scale RO systems out there that don't take an age to fill?

No. Its one or the other I'm afraid. Even a 4040 without booster pump will produce around 2 LPM of pure water.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Ggh on September 19, 2022, 06:12:07 pm
TDS round here as been 70/90 for last few years so I'm double di.....this Summer it crept up to 115/125 at times so was still ok with it hoping it would drop down again........last fill last week was reading 1 so that usually means I'll get another week out of it before it hits 5......filled up for tomorrow and it's reading 6.....out of tap today is reading 157, what's happened?
Any small scale RO systems out there that don't take an age to fill?

No. Its one or the other I'm afraid. Even a 4040 without booster pump will produce around 2 LPM of pure water.

Depends where you are. I get around 300l/hr off the mains. It varies depending on temperature and fluctuates a fair bit.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: JandS on September 19, 2022, 08:25:10 pm
2 lpm that's so slow.........less than an hour with di only........
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: JandS on September 19, 2022, 08:28:30 pm
Bag was lasting 3 months.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: the king on September 19, 2022, 09:06:42 pm
ive got the streamline 1200gpd boosted ro tap tds 157 120 lph so not to bad a lot slower than di only but i had to switch as moved house with high tds tap pressure is not grate and tap lpm not grate  ::)roll also its worth getting a external water meter fitted no sewerage charge
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: JandS on September 19, 2022, 09:09:32 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: the king on September 19, 2022, 09:10:41 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: the king on September 19, 2022, 09:16:53 pm
i was told 200 lph when i brought mine 120 is max i can get in summer ::)roll
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 19, 2022, 10:12:43 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.

Yeah I’ve got that one silly quick even if I lived in a soft water area i would still RO it after you’ve got setup it’s pennies a year to run,even 60-70 ppm why not still RO it makes no sense.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 19, 2022, 10:14:28 pm
That Pure freedom setup boosts my water to between 120-140 psi.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 19, 2022, 10:20:50 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph


They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Smudger on September 19, 2022, 10:23:05 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.

That has to have a pump with it - even boosted Ro4040 systems @ 90 PSI seem to hit 200 LPH - I don't know of any domestic properties with that high a pressure

Darran
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Smudger on September 19, 2022, 10:23:52 pm
That Pure freedom setup boosts my water to between 120-140 psi.

and what LPM of pure do you get ?

Darran
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 20, 2022, 12:06:06 am
I don’t know Darren I’ll have to measure it almost everytime it’s going it’s at that PSI as  I said takes next to no time to fill a single 1000ltr tank.
I’ve changed the pre filters once and mine only has a smallish resin can after RO still reading 000 in the tank,I have a bigger resin can in the van which I’ll do a away with once I can find a John Guest that goes from pipe to pipe so I can do without it.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 20, 2022, 12:07:27 am
Waste and production are very similar the way it’s pre set on the valve but it makes water damn quick,quicker than most would need even with a few vans.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: the king on September 20, 2022, 05:08:56 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph


They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .
what Lpm does your tap produce? That’s  impressive figures
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Stoots on September 20, 2022, 05:22:31 pm
I use a 300gpd system, i say system its literally 2 x 150 gpd specturm filters ran in series about as cheap as you can get. I dont use a booster pump or pre filters i think they are a waste of money.

Its of course not fast but i just have a 1000l ibc tank and fill that overnight, its actually easier than standing around waiting for a d.i to fill for an hour. 5 mins to fill tank when get home with a submersible pump.

Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 20, 2022, 05:30:35 pm
Pre filters are not a waste of money m8 heavy rain creates a lot of silt in the water in some cases a pre filter in a wet winter can last a few days,I’d rather kill  2 pre filters prior to my RO and change them for pennies rather than stick all that silt filled water through my RO.
It’s not my advise I get all my water production advise from June at Gaps water.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 20, 2022, 05:35:00 pm
I used to think I’ve got time I don’t need a booster pump I don’t care if it takes 10 hours to fill my tank at 30psi,honestly just over 2 hours turns itself off more than you can use I need more water these days so a boosted system is a no brainier.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 20, 2022, 06:03:43 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph


They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .
what Lpm does your tap produce? That’s  impressive figures


I dont know not checked it to be honest
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Bungle on September 20, 2022, 09:32:24 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph




They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .

Please let us know what your setup is and the makes and models of your kit.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 20, 2022, 09:40:45 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph




They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .

Please let us know what your setup is and the makes and models of your kit.


It’s an Ionic’s pro 5 system 1000 ltr but I have altered the filtration it has the Ionic’s carbon filter , 5 micron , water softener, twin 40 inch filmtech  ros , 20 ltr resin vessel, and Grippatank 800 ltr booster pump . And 9 kw Grippatank hydro heat two man boiler set up .
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Stoots on September 20, 2022, 10:59:03 pm
Pre filters are not a waste of money m8 heavy rain creates a lot of silt in the water in some cases a pre filter in a wet winter can last a few days,I’d rather kill  2 pre filters prior to my RO and change them for pennies rather than stick all that silt filled water through my RO.
It’s not my advise I get all my water production advise from June at Gaps water.

If I'm replacing a pre filter in a few days then it sure sounds like a waste of money...

Guess it depends.

I use 2 spectrum 150 gpd filters that's about £60.

No booster pump or pre filters and I think they lasted 2 years last time before changing them. But let's say they last a year its still very cheap and I can't see any reason to upgrade as this just works.



Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Smudger on September 20, 2022, 11:37:54 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph




They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .

Please let us know what your setup is and the makes and models of your kit.


It’s an Ionic’s pro 5 system 1000 ltr but I have altered the filtration it has the Ionic’s carbon filter , 5 micron , water softener, twin 40 inch filmtech  ros , 20 ltr resin vessel, and Grippatank 800 ltr booster pump . And 9 kw Grippatank hydro heat two man boiler set up .

Is that not 250 LPH as you have 2 RO's going ?

Darran
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 21, 2022, 09:48:06 am
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph




They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .

Please let us know what your setup is and the makes and models of your kit.


It’s an Ionic’s pro 5 system 1000 ltr but I have altered the filtration it has the Ionic’s carbon filter , 5 micron , water softener, twin 40 inch filmtech  ros , 20 ltr resin vessel, and Grippatank 800 ltr booster pump . And 9 kw Grippatank hydro heat two man boiler set up .

Is that not 250 LPH as you have 2 RO's going ?

Darran



No I can fill the tank from empty in around 2 hours  1000 ltr when dumping more in high tds areas it does take a bit longer but at home we only have a tds of 93  so do t need to dump to much water
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 21, 2022, 09:53:44 am
If my TDS was as low as some on here I’d get myself an Ionic’s 0 system.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Bungle on September 21, 2022, 04:00:17 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph




They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .

Please let us know what your setup is and the makes and models of your kit.


It’s an Ionic’s pro 5 system 1000 ltr but I have altered the filtration it has the Ionic’s carbon filter , 5 micron , water softener, twin 40 inch filmtech  ros , 20 ltr resin vessel, and Grippatank 800 ltr booster pump . And 9 kw Grippatank hydro heat two man boiler set up .

Do all 3 vans fill up at your house then?
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 21, 2022, 04:19:28 pm
Seen some on PF site saying 450 litres per hour.
not a chance they will do 450 ph




They will mine I can produce 1000 ltr in 2 hours that’s with twin ros and 800 ltr booster pump .

Please let us know what your setup is and the makes and models of your kit.


It’s an Ionic’s pro 5 system 1000 ltr but I have altered the filtration it has the Ionic’s carbon filter , 5 micron , water softener, twin 40 inch filmtech  ros , 20 ltr resin vessel, and Grippatank 800 ltr booster pump . And 9 kw Grippatank hydro heat two man boiler set up .

Do all 3 vans fill up at your house then?

We have the same set up in each van so they can fill up any ware .
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: DJW on September 22, 2022, 12:57:16 pm
That’s amazing when a running tap generally produces 6 litres a minute.

Do you plug into a fire hydrant?
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 22, 2022, 01:57:31 pm
Someone said above the Pure Freedom won’t do 450ltrs an hour,it would be very close to that the system I have fills 1x1000 liter tank in a little over a couple of hours or so.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: DJW on September 22, 2022, 02:10:20 pm
How? It doesn’t even come out of a tap that fast?
Plus the rejected supply on top.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 22, 2022, 02:12:44 pm
The system I have has a booster pump and the pressure is always between 120-140 psi quiet often it’s the upper end of that.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: DJW on September 22, 2022, 02:24:08 pm
After the supply. So allowing for rejected water you are sucking 3000 litres from an ordinary tap in an hour?
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: DJW on September 22, 2022, 02:48:00 pm
I’m going to get me one of these Pinocchio systems I think.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: JandS on September 22, 2022, 02:53:37 pm
"A running tap  gives 6 litres a minute"....thought minimum output for domestic water was 21 lpm.....my outside tap certainly does about that.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: JandS on September 22, 2022, 02:57:28 pm
My kitchen tap does 10 litres in 35 seconds.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: NWH on September 22, 2022, 05:42:34 pm
No can’t be right that complete Pinocchio if I can’t do it no one can yeah is that where we are again lol. dear me like being back to the 3-400 a day ceiling 😂.
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 22, 2022, 11:25:23 pm
After the supply. So allowing for rejected water you are sucking 3000 litres from an ordinary tap in an hour?


We don’t dump that much water roughly 80 pure 20 waist , I timed it today as just replaced the carbon and 5 micron filter and resin , produces 1 ltr of pure in 7-8 seconds ,so about 450 ltr per hour , and yes it’s off a normal outside tap , I do think the booster pump might be sucking the water out of the tap to an extent and no I don’t have a break tank 😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Splash & dash on September 22, 2022, 11:27:52 pm
I’m going to get me one of these Pinocchio systems I think.


Most of the manufacturers now produce theses set ups Grippatank, Ionic’s , pure freedom  just to name a few , more than happy for  you to come round and see it in action , seeing is believing
Title: Re: TDS
Post by: Smudger on September 23, 2022, 12:19:49 am
Thats correct the pump will suck out more water from the mains

however you cant use a 21 litre machine (pressure washer) off the mains as the "suck" can collapse modern plastic plumbing pipework

Also - use a larger bore hose - this will also increase flow

Darran