Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on June 29, 2022, 07:21:22 pm
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It's costing me around an extra £50 a month in diesel for my van(to heat my water and driving about)but I was talking to a gardener today and he said it's costing him an extra £300 a month to run his van and mowers,etc... :o
It must be a lot worse for delivery /taxi drivers! ::)roll
We are lucky to be window cleaners! :)
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Somewhere round the £25 mark per month.
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Not sure but at 2 quid a litre and a van that does 30 mpg ill only get around 165 miles out of £50 worth.
Thats pretty shocking.
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£5. Electric
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I used to fill up £40 every 2 weeks , now it’s £50 every 2 weeks
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Fuel bill last month nearly 2k! ;D
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About 50 quid extra a month I reckon
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No idea,
But 80l so it’s costing me around £150 per fill.
Usually get a months worth of work done on one tank.
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£5. Electric
Per day?
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£5. Electric
Per day?
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No sorry that's a week I read the post wrong
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And still only get the 0.45 p per mile allowance against tax🙄,made me a bit more mindful of my normal dawdling around from job to job...trying to group together a bit more...about £40 extra a month...bloody £10 a gallon...mad
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https://trans.info/en/this-is-how-european-countries-tackle-soaring-fuel-prices-281728
They could sort this tomorrow.
I think about half of the cost goes in Tax.
I also think this is all part of the grand scheme to force us out of our vehicles.
This Net Zero c**p is crippling the economy, we produce 1% of global emissions.
The eco zealots will drive us back to the stone age.
30 years ago the Chinese lived in unheated apartments and had to go everywhere on bicycles, that's where we're heading!
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https://trans.info/en/this-is-how-european-countries-tackle-soaring-fuel-prices-281728
They could sort this tomorrow.
I think about half of the cost goes in Tax.
I also think this is all part of the grand scheme to force us out of our vehicles.
This Net Zero c**p is crippling the economy, we produce 1% of global emissions.
The eco zealots will drive us back to the stone age.
30 years ago the Chinese lived in unheated apartments and had to go everywhere on bicycles, that's where we're heading!
What percentage of the global population do we represent?
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https://trans.info/en/this-is-how-european-countries-tackle-soaring-fuel-prices-281728
They could sort this tomorrow.
I think about half of the cost goes in Tax.
I also think this is all part of the grand scheme to force us out of our vehicles.
This Net Zero c**p is crippling the economy, we produce 1% of global emissions.
The eco zealots will drive us back to the stone age.
30 years ago the Chinese lived in unheated apartments and had to go everywhere on bicycles, that's where we're heading!
Agree.
We are destroying over country over ‘co2’.
Meanwhile in India, china etc…
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https://trans.info/en/this-is-how-european-countries-tackle-soaring-fuel-prices-281728
They could sort this tomorrow.
I think about half of the cost goes in Tax.
I also think this is all part of the grand scheme to force us out of our vehicles.
This Net Zero c**p is crippling the economy, we produce 1% of global emissions.
The eco zealots will drive us back to the stone age.
30 years ago the Chinese lived in unheated apartments and had to go everywhere on bicycles, that's where we're heading!
What percentage of the global population do we represent?
0.87%
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I reckon if the world cut emissions to 1%, it'd be ok. So we should be allowed to carry on emitting and the rest of the world should stop. Is that right?
I mean, we were the first to start emitting and they are just copying off of us.
They should get back on their bikes and just let us get on with it.
*Cough cough*.
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yes - How dare those Jonny Foreigners become advanced manufacturing countries, producing better cars, washing machines, etc..
it shouldn't be allowed...
they must all STOP --- NOW!!!
;D ;D ;D
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If there is actually a 'global warming crisis' as they claim, the solution is not CO2 reduction and certainly not electric vehicles.
You have to drive about 300,000 miles to offset the Carbon used in the manufacture of a EV but you won't do it on one battery.
The Earth has been here for billions of years and will continue to be here for billions of more years.
The simple solution is for humans to stop breeding at the current unsustainable rate and the problem will solve itself in 1-2 generations, after all you never see animals driving or using gas and electricity!
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If there is actually a 'global warming crisis' as they claim, the solution is not CO2 reduction and certainly not electric vehicles.
You have to drive about 300,000 miles to offset the Carbon used in the manufacture of a EV but you won't do it on one battery.
The Earth has been here for billions of years and will continue to be here for billions of more years.
The simple solution is for humans to stop breeding at the current unsustainable rate and the problem will solve itself in 1-2 generations, after all you never see animals driving or using gas and electricity!
You do know the global population is in decline?
https://m.statisticstimes.com/demographics/world-population.php
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It's costing me around an extra £50 a month in diesel for my van(to heat my water and driving about)but I was talking to a gardener today and he said it's costing him an extra £300 a month to run his van and mowers,etc... :o
It must be a lot worse for delivery /taxi drivers! ::)roll
We are lucky to be window cleaners! :)
Only £50 per month more ?? So roughly £12 per week , wish that’s what it was costing me diesel is now £199.99 a ltr Ime using approx 80 ltr per van per week so approximately £160 per van 😰😰😰 or £480 per week 😰😰😰😰 that’s not increase but total cost , madness .
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If there is actually a 'global warming crisis' as they claim, the solution is not CO2 reduction and certainly not electric vehicles.
You have to drive about 300,000 miles to offset the Carbon used in the manufacture of a EV but you won't do it on one battery.
The Earth has been here for billions of years and will continue to be here for billions of more years.
The simple solution is for humans to stop breeding at the current unsustainable rate and the problem will solve itself in 1-2 generations, after all you never see animals driving or using gas and electricity!
Not entirely sure where your figure comes from but what matters is whether EV is better than fossil fuel. Literally the first answer Google suggests it's significantly better:
(https://i.postimg.cc/X7QXzCh9/lifecycle-ghgs-ev-gas-cars-670px.png) (https://postimages.org/)
From https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth5
Yes, the Earth has indeed been here for ages. It's a question of whether you want it still to be habitable for humans in a few centuries. I certainly do.
How would you like to stop people breeding? Genuine question.
Vin
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If there is actually a 'global warming crisis' as they claim, the solution is not CO2 reduction and certainly not electric vehicles.
You have to drive about 300,000 miles to offset the Carbon used in the manufacture of a EV but you won't do it on one battery.
The Earth has been here for billions of years and will continue to be here for billions of more years.
The simple solution is for humans to stop breeding at the current unsustainable rate and the problem will solve itself in 1-2 generations, after all you never see animals driving or using gas and electricity!
Not entirely sure where your figure comes from but what matters is whether EV is better than fossil fuel. Literally the first answer Google suggests it's significantly better:
(https://i.postimg.cc/X7QXzCh9/lifecycle-ghgs-ev-gas-cars-670px.png) (https://postimages.org/)
From https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth5
Yes, the Earth has indeed been here for ages. It's a question of whether you want it still to be habitable for humans in a few centuries. I certainly do.
How would you like to stop people breeding? Genuine question.
Vin
Electric vehicles don’t have a 300 mile range , they may claim they have, but real world driving it will be considerably less , I have many customers that say they get half the distance that the manufacturers claim , and less is driving at night using , heater, heated rear screen , lights etc . I was looking at an electric man tge van quoted range in manufacturers blurb is 90 miles , real world use it’s less than 40 totally useless .
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How would you like to stop people breeding? Genuine question.
Vin
Keep them away from the Prime Minister for a start.
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If there is actually a 'global warming crisis' as they claim, the solution is not CO2 reduction and certainly not electric vehicles.
You have to drive about 300,000 miles to offset the Carbon used in the manufacture of a EV but you won't do it on one battery.
The Earth has been here for billions of years and will continue to be here for billions of more years.
The simple solution is for humans to stop breeding at the current unsustainable rate and the problem will solve itself in 1-2 generations, after all you never see animals driving or using gas and electricity!
Not entirely sure where your figure comes from but what matters is whether EV is better than fossil fuel. Literally the first answer Google suggests it's significantly better:
(https://i.postimg.cc/X7QXzCh9/lifecycle-ghgs-ev-gas-cars-670px.png) (https://postimages.org/)
From https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths#Myth5
Yes, the Earth has indeed been here for ages. It's a question of whether you want it still to be habitable for humans in a few centuries. I certainly do.
How would you like to stop people breeding? Genuine question.
Vin
Give them a transistor radio ☹️
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Electric vehicles don’t have a 300 mile range , they may claim they have, but real world driving it will be considerably less , I have many customers that say they get half the distance that the manufacturers claim , and less is driving at night using , heater, heated rear screen , lights etc . I was looking at an electric man tge van quoted range in manufacturers blurb is 90 miles , real world use it’s less than 40 totally useless .
Given that the average length of a driving journey in the UK was 6.8 miles in 2019* does not having a 300 mile range matter? I do 3,000 miles a year in the van. Per cleaning day that's 20 miles. Longest day I do is around 30 miles.
Even if that's all true, does it affect the claim that I was responding to, namely that electric cars take 300,000 miles to go carbon neutral?
Vin
*Source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/nts01-average-number-of-trips-made-and-distance-travelled
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Electric vehicles don’t have a 300 mile range , they may claim they have, but real world driving it will be considerably less , I have many customers that say they get half the distance that the manufacturers claim , and less is driving at night using , heater, heated rear screen , lights etc . I was looking at an electric man tge van quoted range in manufacturers blurb is 90 miles , real world use it’s less than 40 totally useless .
Given that the average length of a driving journey in the UK was 6.8 miles in 2019* does not having a 300 mile range matter? I do 3,000 miles a year in the van. Per cleaning day that's 20 miles. Longest day I do is around 30 miles.
Even if that's all true, does it affect the claim that I was responding to, namely that electric cars take 300,000 miles to go carbon neutral?
Vin
*Source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/nts01-average-number-of-trips-made-and-distance-travelled
Ime not against electric vehicles but they are no ware near ready for the commercial market place we do some work 300 miles away from home and if I had the electric equivalent of my diesel van I would have to stop and re charge it every 40-50 not an option . I wasn’t criticising what you had said I agree with you especially about the carbon footprint, it’s all spin by the government to try and force us to go electric.
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600 miles round trip to clean some windows …. are you mad?
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600 miles round trip to clean some windows …. are you mad?
Time to get some more work local ;D
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600 miles round trip to clean some windows …. are you mad?
Time to get some more work local ;D
Going 70 miles an hour without stopping, a 600 mile trip could take over 8.5hrs! 😩
I hope your charging a premium rate 😁
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600 miles round trip to clean some windows …. are you mad?
Trust me it’s financially a no brainier been doing it 20 years we do a months normal money in 3-4 days
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Electric vehicles don’t have a 300 mile range , they may claim they have, but real world driving it will be considerably less , I have many customers that say they get half the distance that the manufacturers claim , and less is driving at night using , heater, heated rear screen , lights etc . I was looking at an electric man tge van quoted range in manufacturers blurb is 90 miles , real world use it’s less than 40 totally useless .
Given that the average length of a driving journey in the UK was 6.8 miles in 2019* does not having a 300 mile range matter? I do 3,000 miles a year in the van. Per cleaning day that's 20 miles. Longest day I do is around 30 miles.
Even if that's all true, does it affect the claim that I was responding to, namely that electric cars take 300,000 miles to go carbon neutral?
Vin
*Source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/nts01-average-number-of-trips-made-and-distance-travelled
Ime not against electric vehicles but they are no ware near ready for the commercial market place we do some work 300 miles away from home and if I had the electric equivalent of my diesel van I would have to stop and re charge it every 40-50 not an option . I wasn’t criticising what you had said I agree with you especially about the carbon footprint, it’s all spin by the government to try and force us to go electric.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/03/the-truth-about-electric-cars/
It's the Emperor's New Clothes!
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Electric vehicles don’t have a 300 mile range , they may claim they have, but real world driving it will be considerably less , I have many customers that say they get half the distance that the manufacturers claim , and less is driving at night using , heater, heated rear screen , lights etc . I was looking at an electric man tge van quoted range in manufacturers blurb is 90 miles , real world use it’s less than 40 totally useless .
Given that the average length of a driving journey in the UK was 6.8 miles in 2019* does not having a 300 mile range matter? I do 3,000 miles a year in the van. Per cleaning day that's 20 miles. Longest day I do is around 30 miles.
Even if that's all true, does it affect the claim that I was responding to, namely that electric cars take 300,000 miles to go carbon neutral?
Vin
*Source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/nts01-average-number-of-trips-made-and-distance-travelled
Ime not against electric vehicles but they are no ware near ready for the commercial market place we do some work 300 miles away from home and if I had the electric equivalent of my diesel van I would have to stop and re charge it every 40-50 not an option . I wasn’t criticising what you had said I agree with you especially about the carbon footprint, it’s all spin by the government to try and force us to go electric.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/03/the-truth-about-electric-cars/
It's the Emperor's New Clothes!
Very interesting read thanks for sharing 👍
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https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/03/the-truth-about-electric-cars/
It's the Emperor's New Clothes!
Interesting. Apart from the irrelevant polemical nonsense about fires (because there are never fires associated with petrol or diesel, are there?) the whole article is predicated on a claim that vehicles will not reach their break-even point.
Now, the break-even point mentioned is 52,000 miles (not the insane 300,000 miles of your earlier claim - any comment on that discrepancy?).
The writer simply asserts that that mileage won't be reached. Not a squit of evidence, just a statement. Quote: "Many of the EVs sold today are ‘urban runabouts’ – that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ‘break even’ point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent."
Average mileage in the UK (https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk) is 7,400 miles. For the writer's claim to be true, he's arguing that cars will be scrapped before they are seven years old. Do you believe that? Really?
As for "If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ‘green option’ instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s", that would suggest that he drives around 2,000 miles a year. Do you believe that? Really?
Tell me, does all that sound reasonable to you? Seriously, give it some thought. I'd be interested in what you think rather than what other people tell you.
Vin
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https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/03/the-truth-about-electric-cars/
It's the Emperor's New Clothes!
Interesting. Apart from the irrelevant polemical nonsense about fires (because there are never fires associated with petrol or diesel, are there?) the whole article is predicated on a claim that vehicles will not reach their break-even point.
Now, the break-even point mentioned is 52,000 miles (not the insane 300,000 miles of your earlier claim - any comment on that discrepancy?).
The writer simply asserts that that mileage won't be reached. Not a squit of evidence, just a statement. Quote: "Many of the EVs sold today are ‘urban runabouts’ – that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ‘break even’ point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent."
Average mileage in the UK (https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk) is 7,400 miles. For the writer's claim to be true, he's arguing that cars will be scrapped before they are seven years old. Do you believe that? Really?
As for "If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ‘green option’ instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s", that would suggest that he drives around 2,000 miles a year. Do you believe that? Really?
Tell me, does all that sound reasonable to you? Seriously, give it some thought. I'd be interested in what you think rather than what other people tell you.
Vin
The bit about fires is very relevant as a watch manager in the fire service it’s a valid point , petrol and diesel cars are easy to extinguish, but battery fires with lithium arnt electric cars have much bigger batteries than a convenient vehicle , it’s a growing problem that will only get worse . Some recovery firms won’t recover electric cars either as a recovery truck driver was electrocuted and died whilst loading a car onto a car transporter . If the batteries earth out they can cause no end of problems this happens when they are involved in accidents and get damaged a normal lead acid battery isn’t a problem due to its small capacity and size but theses lithium batteries are a different kettle of fish .
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The bit about fires is very relevant as a watch manager in the fire service it’s a valid point , petrol and diesel cars are easy to extinguish, but battery fires with lithium arnt electric cars have much bigger batteries than a convenient vehicle , it’s a growing problem that will only get worse . Some recovery firms won’t recover electric cars either as a recovery truck driver was electrocuted and died whilst loading a car onto a car transporter . If the batteries earth out they can cause no end of problems this happens when they are involved in accidents and get damaged a normal lead acid battery isn’t a problem due to its small capacity and size but theses lithium batteries are a different kettle of fish .
I'm not disagreeing with your points. What I am saying is that it's utterly irrelevant in the context of a conversation about diesel prices and the CO2 impact of EV versus combustion engine cars.
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https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/03/the-truth-about-electric-cars/
It's the Emperor's New Clothes!
Interesting. Apart from the irrelevant polemical nonsense about fires (because there are never fires associated with petrol or diesel, are there?) the whole article is predicated on a claim that vehicles will not reach their break-even point.
Now, the break-even point mentioned is 52,000 miles (not the insane 300,000 miles of your earlier claim - any comment on that discrepancy?).
The writer simply asserts that that mileage won't be reached. Not a squit of evidence, just a statement. Quote: "Many of the EVs sold today are ‘urban runabouts’ – that is, vehicles that will never reach the CO2 ‘break even’ point, and will therefore emit more CO2 than a petrol equivalent."
Average mileage in the UK (https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/cheap-car-insurance/average-car-mileage-uk) is 7,400 miles. For the writer's claim to be true, he's arguing that cars will be scrapped before they are seven years old. Do you believe that? Really?
As for "If I replace my 19-year-old car tomorrow, and take the ‘green option’ instead of the petrol option, I will be poorer, because the EV equivalent is so much more expensive, and it will only finally start to achieve CO2-emissions savings over the petrol rival some time in the late 2040s", that would suggest that he drives around 2,000 miles a year. Do you believe that? Really?
Tell me, does all that sound reasonable to you? Seriously, give it some thought. I'd be interested in what you think rather than what other people tell you.
Vin
Evan the car manufacturers themselves are saying the life of theses lithium batteries is 8 years so what that article is saying is they will never off set the carbon footprint beacause they won’t last long enough , 2/3 of the cost of theses cars is the batteries so it won’t be cost effective to replace them the cars will be scrap value only , the government are looking at introducing car leasing or rental rather than ownership so the manufacturers will be responsible for disposal of the vehicle after 8+ years , audi according to my local dealer are in discussions with many government s around the globe about this very subject so doubt it won’t be long before all manufacturers go the same way .
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Where do you get the cost of the battery being 2/3 of the cost of the car?
I've not looked deeply into the matter but here is literally the first set of prices I've found: https://bookmygarage.com/electric-vehicles/how-much-does-an-electric-battery-cost-uk/
As for longevity, again, literally the first numbers I've found disagree:
https://www.verified.org/articles/guides/the-longevity-of-electric-vehicles-battery#jump1
Given that every time I search, the first numbers I find seem to disagree (I'm not looking hard at all), I suspect there might just be an agenda in articles like the one in Spiked. I'm not saying there is but when each fact I check seems to be inaccurate in the direction of downplaying any EV benefits there might be, it makes me suspicious.
Vin
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Where do you get the cost of the battery being 2/3 of the cost of the car?
I've not looked deeply into the matter but here is literally the first set of prices I've found: https://bookmygarage.com/electric-vehicles/how-much-does-an-electric-battery-cost-uk/
As for longevity, again, literally the first numbers I've found disagree:
https://www.verified.org/articles/guides/the-longevity-of-electric-vehicles-battery#jump1
Given that every time I search, the first numbers I find seem to disagree (I'm not looking hard at all), I suspect there might just be an agenda in articles like the one in Spiked. I'm not saying there is but when each fact I check seems to be inaccurate in the direction of downplaying any EV benefits there might be, it makes me suspicious.
Vin
Local audi dealer and bmw dealer both said to replace the battery’s is 2/3 the cost of the vehicle on an average its a complex job to replace them apparently it involves removing most of the interior of the vehicle . I should have added that they did say at vehicle age of 6-8 years so it’s not cost effective to replace them .
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Local audi dealer and bmw dealer both said to replace the battery’s is 2/3 the cost of the vehicle on an average its a complex job to replace them apparently it involves removing most of the interior of the vehicle . I should have added that they did say at vehicle age of 6-8 years so it’s not cost effective to replace them .
I find it strange that dealers are talking replacement after 8 years when Consumer Reports (US equivalent of Which) are talking 200,000 miles. (https://www.myev.com/research/ev-101/how-long-should-an-electric-cars-battery-last/amp)
I don't have a dog in this fight: I have a diesel car and a diesel van and I'll run them till they die.
One thing I do think is happening: battery technology is changing very fast indeed and I suspect that "facts" are quoted by people that are well out of date. Then you end up with people hearing that "it takes 300,000 miles to break even on an EV." It gets repeated and repeated until eventually it's believed regardless of how wrong it is.
When technology is moving fast you have to keep up with the changes as much as you can.
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Where do you get the cost of the battery being 2/3 of the cost of the car?
I've not looked deeply into the matter but here is literally the first set of prices I've found: https://bookmygarage.com/electric-vehicles/how-much-does-an-electric-battery-cost-uk/
As for longevity, again, literally the first numbers I've found disagree:
https://www.verified.org/articles/guides/the-longevity-of-electric-vehicles-battery#jump1
Given that every time I search, the first numbers I find seem to disagree (I'm not looking hard at all), I suspect there might just be an agenda in articles like the one in Spiked. I'm not saying there is but when each fact I check seems to be inaccurate in the direction of downplaying any EV benefits there might be, it makes me suspicious.
Vin
Local audi dealer and bmw dealer both said to replace the battery’s is 2/3 the cost of the vehicle on an average its a complex job to replace them apparently it involves removing most of the interior of the vehicle . I should have added that they did say at vehicle age of 6-8 years so it’s not cost effective to replace them .
That just sounds stupid to me. Look at anything else that uses batteries, they are reasonably easy to replace. On the dawn of this new tech era, they should be redesigning and future proofing ev's from the ground up. Scrapping an 8 year old car because it's batteries are spent and not cost effective to replace is not the way forward.
Back to the OP question. Costs me approx £60 more a month in fuel.
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£2.15 a litre I've just paid this morning :o
I put the good stuff in by accident >:(
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Local audi dealer and bmw dealer both said to replace the battery’s is 2/3 the cost of the vehicle on an average its a complex job to replace them apparently it involves removing most of the interior of the vehicle . I should have added that they did say at vehicle age of 6-8 years so it’s not cost effective to replace them .
I find it strange that dealers are talking replacement after 8 years when Consumer Reports (US equivalent of Which) are talking 200,000 miles. (https://www.myev.com/research/ev-101/how-long-should-an-electric-cars-battery-last/amp)
I don't have a dog in this fight: I have a diesel car and a diesel van and I'll run them till they die.
One thing I do think is happening: battery technology is changing very fast indeed and I suspect that "facts" are quoted by people that are well out of date. Then you end up with people hearing that "it takes 300,000 miles to break even on an EV." It gets repeated and repeated until eventually it's believed regardless of how wrong it is.
When technology is moving fast you have to keep up with the changes as much as you can.
I think the manufacturers and dealers are in the best position to know ware technology is going , and it’s life span and replacement costs , there isn’t enough lithium in the world anyway to support all the needs for vehicle batteries , they are starting to develop a different type of battery to replace it I cannot remember what it’s called but again all this is in its infancy.
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Nature, (again, the first source I found) doesn't agree with you about lithium supplies.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02222-1
With the amount of money going into battery research, I suspect one of dozens of technologies could end up paying off. Some don't even use lithium as a component, preferring sodium (ludicrously abundant) and some using neither.
Vin
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Nature, (again, the first source I found) doesn't agree with you about lithium supplies.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02222-1
With the amount of money going into battery research, I suspect one of dozens of technologies could end up paying off. Some don't even use lithium as a component, preferring sodium (ludicrously abundant) and some using neither.
Vin
You are waisted as a window cleaner think you should go into manufacturing 😂😂😂😂😂
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
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Nature, (again, the first source I found) doesn't agree with you about lithium supplies.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02222-1
With the amount of money going into battery research, I suspect one of dozens of technologies could end up paying off. Some don't even use lithium as a component, preferring sodium (ludicrously abundant) and some using neither.
Vin
You are waisted as a window cleaner think you should go into manufacturing 😂😂😂😂😂
Only if he has the stomach for it. ;D
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
Good luck with that Daz.
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
They are outliers Daz. The average person is nowhere near capable of doing a manual job at 75+ years of age. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t set your retirement plans on it happening.
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
They are outliers Daz. The average person is nowhere near capable of doing a manual job at 75+ years of age. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t set your retirement plans on it happening.
I don't class myself as an 'average' person as you put it.....most of my drinking buddies and a few school mates are already dead mate unfortunately.....not everyone makes it to 50 years of age....
Working outside and doing an active job keeps us healthy.....its sitting down all day that knocks the nails in your coffin early! ;D
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
They are outliers Daz. The average person is nowhere near capable of doing a manual job at 75+ years of age. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t set your retirement plans on it happening.
I don't class myself as an 'average' person as you put it.....most of my drinking buddies and a few school mates are already dead mate unfortunately.....not everyone makes it to 50 years of age....
Working outside and doing an active job keeps us healthy.....its sitting down all day that knocks the nails in your coffin early! ;D
I’d bet good money that you’ve had more time off work with muscular injuries in the last 5 years that the average 50 year old manual worker. Tweeking your back, foot injuries etc etc
You may think you’re invincible Daz but all these niggles you’ve had will come back to bite you in the ass when you get to 70+.
Good luck anyway, personally I hope I’m long retired and comfortable when I’m 75.
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
They are outliers Daz. The average person is nowhere near capable of doing a manual job at 75+ years of age. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t set your retirement plans on it happening.
I don't class myself as an 'average' person as you put it.....most of my drinking buddies and a few school mates are already dead mate unfortunately.....not everyone makes it to 50 years of age....
Working outside and doing an active job keeps us healthy.....its sitting down all day that knocks the nails in your coffin early! ;D
I’d bet good money that you’ve had more time off work with muscular injuries in the last 5 years that the average 50 year old manual worker. Tweeking your back, foot injuries etc etc
You may think you’re invincible Daz but all these niggles you’ve had will come back to bite you in the ass when you get to 70+.
Good luck anyway, personally I hope I’m long retired and comfortable when I’m 75.
I've had 2 weeks off in 5 years with slight injuries....one with my back and one with my foot....
Granted there are no guarantees but your making out as if window cleaning is a heavy manual job which it isnt....its easy these days with light poles and no collecting....
and the beauty of it is you can cut down your hours to suit...
I never want to retire fully and I won't until I'm forced to through illness or injury.....
My dad was still working at 74 before lung cancer killed him(63 years of smoking and he drank fairly heavily)he d never been ill in his life before then!
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
They are outliers Daz. The average person is nowhere near capable of doing a manual job at 75+ years of age. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t set your retirement plans on it happening.
I don't class myself as an 'average' person as you put it.....most of my drinking buddies and a few school mates are already dead mate unfortunately.....not everyone makes it to 50 years of age....
Working outside and doing an active job keeps us healthy.....its sitting down all day that knocks the nails in your coffin early! ;D
I’d bet good money that you’ve had more time off work with muscular injuries in the last 5 years that the average 50 year old manual worker. Tweeking your back, foot injuries etc etc
You may think you’re invincible Daz but all these niggles you’ve had will come back to bite you in the ass when you get to 70+.
Good luck anyway, personally I hope I’m long retired and comfortable when I’m 75.
I've had 2 weeks off in 5 years with slight injuries....one with my back and one with my foot....
You’ve just had 2 weeks off with a foot injury. Then last year you had atleast 2 weeks off with back/neck muscle problems. Then you also did some ankle ligaments and was off for 3-4 weeks. There’s probably been numerous others which I’m forgetting also. ;D
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Don’t mention the heart trouble!
Keep taking the blueberries.
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and the Covid! Sound like a pretty sickly specimen to me. Just average really.
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I might just buy a new diesel van in 2029 and run it until retirement...I'll be 59 by then with probably 20 years left(I'll retire fully by 80 health permitting of course)
The best laid plans of mice and men......
The guy I used to work for back in 1992 is still going and so is the other local cleaner(79 and 78 respectively).they look great for their age and are fit and healthy.they both only work mornings though these days... ;D
They are outliers Daz. The average person is nowhere near capable of doing a manual job at 75+ years of age. It’s possible, but I wouldn’t set your retirement plans on it happening.
I don't class myself as an 'average' person as you put it.....most of my drinking buddies and a few school mates are already dead mate unfortunately.....not everyone makes it to 50 years of age....
Working outside and doing an active job keeps us healthy.....its sitting down all day that knocks the nails in your coffin early! ;D
I’d bet good money that you’ve had more time off work with muscular injuries in the last 5 years that the average 50 year old manual worker. Tweeking your back, foot injuries etc etc
You may think you’re invincible Daz but all these niggles you’ve had will come back to bite you in the ass when you get to 70+.
Good luck anyway, personally I hope I’m long retired and comfortable when I’m 75.
I've had 2 weeks off in 5 years with slight injuries....one with my back and one with my foot....
You’ve just had 2 weeks off with a foot injury. Then last year you had atleast 2 weeks off with back/neck muscle problems. Then you also did some ankle ligaments and was off for 3-4 weeks. There’s probably been numerous others which I’m forgetting also. ;D
Nope!...one week off for foot...the ankle ligaments were playing football 12 years ago!🤣🤣🤣....you said the last 5 years!😄
Back problem was 2020....2 years ago!only took a week off then too...
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and the Covid! Sound like a pretty sickly specimen to me. Just average really.
I worked all week with covid....😉
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and the Covid! Sound like a pretty sickly specimen to me. Just average really.
I worked all week with covid....😉
Record week?
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and the Covid! Sound like a pretty sickly specimen to me. Just average really.
I worked all week with covid....😉
Record week?
🤣🤣