Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Amazin on June 07, 2022, 09:04:35 am
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will it come back down anytime soon? Hoping to buy a bigger van this year, Euro 6 engine etc. I'm guessing most of us still can't go full electric yet.
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You can’t get the mileage Ed China did a review on the Transporter I think he got 80 miles on a full charge in reality and don’t think of putting the heater on in winter and air con in summer,time you’ve charged it up it doesn’t work out cheap and that kind of mileage is hopeless for most people that use a van.
Can’t see many delivery drivers delivering many parcels on that mileage.
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Amazon do.
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I’ve put off for 18 months to get a new vehicle and the price just kept going up.
I just had to bite the bullet this year and buy.
Logic tells me that prices will start to come down, but then also factor in that you can’t even put in an order for some new vehicles, there is so much demand out there, and there is still a shortage of microchips. I think it will be Atleast a year before we see prices come down, and even then who knows.
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I spoke to someone yesterday actually he’s just leased another Transporter 900 down 300 a month,is there still a problem with lease vehicles then I suppose there is if they haven’t got the vans they haven’t got em.
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I was talking to a customer this week with a background in finance and his take on vehicle prices is that they are largely irrelevant.
You can spec a base model BMW 320d up to around £70k.
The ultimate cost though is irrelevant as almost no one actually buys a new vehicle with cash. The percentage leased is quite incredible.
I own several elderly Ford Rangers which do the whole WFP thing extremely well and have done for over a decade.
New Rangers are now available for up to £58k.
Given all the hiccups over the last few years, diesel commercial prices are likely to remain on the high side until the inevitable environmental attacks become an issue - assuming we got through with the 2030 ban on new.
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I was talking to a customer this week with a background in finance and his take on vehicle prices is that they are largely irrelevant.
You can spec a base model BMW 320d up to around £70k.
The ultimate cost though is irrelevant as almost no one actually buys a new vehicle with cash. The percentage leased is quite incredible.
I own several elderly Ford Rangers which do the whole WFP thing extremely well and have done for over a decade.
New Rangers are now available for up to £58k.
Given all the hiccups over the last few years, diesel commercial prices are likely to remain on the high side until the inevitable environmental attacks become an issue - assuming we got through with the 2030 ban on new.
That makes no sense at all!! Can you explain that statement? How can the cost be irrelevant regardless of purchase method?
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I was talking to a customer this week with a background in finance and his take on vehicle prices is that they are largely irrelevant.
You can spec a base model BMW 320d up to around £70k.
The ultimate cost though is irrelevant as almost no one actually buys a new vehicle with cash. The percentage leased is quite incredible.
I own several elderly Ford Rangers which do the whole WFP thing extremely well and have done for over a decade.
New Rangers are now available for up to £58k.
Given all the hiccups over the last few years, diesel commercial prices are likely to remain on the high side until the inevitable environmental attacks become an issue - assuming we got through with the 2030 ban on new.
That makes no sense at all!! Can you explain that statement? How can the cost be irrelevant regardless of purchase method?
I read that as people can’t afford a 70k motor but, make it a payment and bobs your auntie. The cost is only relevant to what you can afford to pay monthly
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Ridiculous what people pay per month for some cars not unusual to hear someone paying 800-1000 a month for a car,PCP has opened up a massive can of worms of debt without PCP we wouldn’t have a shortage of cars we’d have a stockpile with no one being able to afford 1 even on straight forward finance.
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More twaddle from the fountain of all twaddle.
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Cars 50k plus are not affordable to most people if you speak to anyone in cars sales and that’s main dealer they will tell you why PCP was brought in to shift high end motors,umpteen people driving about in a car they couldn’t afford only through a PCP so no twaddle at all.
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Cars 50k plus are not affordable to most people if you speak to anyone in cars sales and that’s main dealer they will tell you why PCP was brought in to shift high end motors,umpteen people driving about in a car they couldn’t afford only through a PCP so no twaddle at all.
I think your right nwh , the purchase price for my car was totally irrelevant to me . I would never buy a car brand new , even my customers who have brand new range rovers lease them. Iv no idea how much my CLA cost new , all I was bothered about was the monthly payment of £200.
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I’ve been leasing my van for 2 years and I still don’t know what the purchase price is.
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I talked to someone yesterday.
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I’ve been leasing my van for 2 years and I still don’t know what the purchase price is.
It always pays to know the purchase price, leasing is a very expensive way to run a vehicle in my opinion but I understand why ones do it but you still have to put down a reasonable deposit and at the end of the lease have to start again . I do think it’s not a bad idea at the moment with all this uncertainty about electric vehicles by 2030 if the vehicle is leased you just hand it back if road tax or fuel costs become to high , I was talking to a salesman at my local Audi dealer whilst mine was in for a service and he said the government is looking into making all new cars lease only so that the government can outlaw certain vehicles and then replace them with more environmentally friendly options , but if they are privately owned it’s far more difficult to do that
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85% of what you see on the road commercial is leased and cars are PCP speak to any main dealer they’d be finished without PCP on cars,all these M2s M3s you see driving about almost all PCP there’s not many of them that have got 25-30k to put down to get the payments down to the same as the PCP.
Look in to PCP they get fleeced on the interest most don’t care they just want to get in to that car,salesman mock people when they tell me had a bloke come in had to get the new M4 he had the last one paid 8k to get out of the agreement to start another lol,madness.
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All electric by 2030 that’s not happening.
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All electric by 2030 that’s not happening.
I agree but from then you won’t be able to buy petrol or diesel cars, vans who knows , but it has already been said that fuel prices will be increased dramatically along with road tax to encourage ( Force ) ones to get rid of petrol and diesel cars and get electric , Ime not saying I agree with any of this but think this is how it will go .
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Your claim that purchase price is irrelevant due to pcp is … twaddle.
If that is actually the case, then the whole population would be driving around in Bentleys, but they aren’t. Here’s why:
With PCP, you pay a deposit, then monthly payments based on the difference between the value of the car now (less the deposit) and a guaranteed future value in 2, 3 or 4 years, PLUS INTEREST at between 4 to 9%.
That interest is calculated on…..guess what! The purchase price of the car (less the deposit) and the balance owed as it reduces with your monthly payments.
The higher the purchase price of the car, the more interest you’ll pay. The more interest you pay, the higher your monthly payments will be.
Here’s a real example of a 4 year pcp on a Citroen:
Citroën Store Price/Cash Price
£21,200.00
47 Monthly Payments
£239.00
Customer Deposit
£3,896.67
Roadside Assistance
£120.00
Term of Agreement
48 Months
Total Amount of Credit
£17,423.33
Total Charge For Credit
£3,689.67
Total Amount Payable
£25,009.67
Optional Final Payment
£9,880.00
Fixed Rate of Interest per Year
6.9%
APR Representative
6.9% APR
Annual Mileage
6,000
The interest there is £3,689
The total payments are £11,233
Therefore the interest has made up 32.8% of the monthly payments. Interest calculated on the purchase price of the car.
I would not consider a third of the cost “irrelevant”
As I said, twaddle from the fountain of all twaddle.
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All electric by 2030 that’s not happening.
I agree but from then you won’t be able to buy petrol or diesel cars, vans who knows , but it has already been said that fuel prices will be increased dramatically along with road tax to encourage ( Force ) ones to get rid of petrol and diesel cars and get electric , Ime not saying I agree with any of this but think this is how it will go .
You can’t force people to eat Rice pudding if you don’t provide a spoon there’s no charging points near to me at all and that’s non,in 8 years they’ll be everywhere I don’t think so I reckon it’ll keep getting pushed back.
There will come a point that the government have to step in with everything being so expensive or it will be like London in late 1800s with crime and poverty,it used to be bad for the environment I agree but when we provided our own fuels on the whole it was better more jobs etc it was the end of the world when there was a strike,if only it was that we had to contend with now.
The Isle of Man have just about got it right.
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You pay interest on the whole price not just what you pay back the bit between that you’ll never pay you pay that interest to,PCP is a poor man’s way of getting in to a high end vehicle.
Plenty of mugs out and about willing to pay stupid amounts a month just to look good in a car they can’t in reality afford,thank god for PCP agreements it allows them to do it.
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When you know a salesman at Audi and even he’s telling you not to PCP a vehicle over a certain price bracket or higher end vehicle I think that’s the time to give it a miss,if you can’t afford it don’t buy it I’ve done my own PCP style agreements through big deposits and banks you don’t lose if you buy the right car.
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If you buy a car for 70k and you’re paying 36k back over 3 years with a 4K deposit taking you to 40k you still pay interest on the 30k you’ll hardly ever decide to pay off at the end,you pay interest on everything not just what you pay back,a lot of people don’t realise it’s calculated over the full purchase price.
You would have to pay a minimum of 18k to get out of that agreement after 18 months if you decide sod this.
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5 series diesel BMW over 4 years with nearly 5k down on PCP you end up paying 30k 😂 what a bargain,that’s an offer lol.
Look on the bright side after 4 years you can buy that for 27k or refinance it,goodness me do you have to take down you’re pants when you walk in that showroom.
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Cars 50k plus are not affordable to most people if you speak to anyone in cars sales and that’s main dealer they will tell you why PCP was brought in to shift high end motors,umpteen people driving about in a car they couldn’t afford only through a PCP so no twaddle at all.
I think your right nwh , the purchase price for my car was totally irrelevant to me . I would never buy a car brand new , even my customers who have brand new range rovers lease them. Iv no idea how much my CLA cost new , all I was bothered about was the monthly payment of £200.
You sound like a salesman’s dream😆
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Nigel is spot on regarding PCP. Whilst it’s an affordable way of driving a new car and I’m not knocking anyone who chooses to go down this route, you should really be aware of interest charges, penalties if you end the contract early, final settlement etc.
When a customer goes into a dealership and says I can afford X amount of ££’s per month with no clue on interest charges and other associated costs, you see the salesman’s eyes light up🤑🤑
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Covid was a wake up call for those maxed out on credit. This year a lot of businesses wil go under. Many businesses are selling up near me, shops, hospitality, tourism, people are noticing inflation biting in and struggling to recruit new staff.
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I used to want the newest, flashiest motors and in the past ive had them, but once youve had them a few months the novelty wears and if anything you just feel depressed with the payments and its not made you as happy as you thought it would.
Ive got a car, 2 vans and a motorbike all paid for in full and all older vechicles.
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Nigel is spot on regarding PCP. Whilst it’s an affordable way of driving a new car and I’m not knocking anyone who chooses to go down this route, you should really be aware of interest charges, penalties if you end the contract early, final settlement etc.
When a customer goes into a dealership and says I can afford X amount of ££’s per month with no clue on interest charges and other associated costs, you see the salesman’s eyes light up🤑🤑
Lol thanks m8 yeah people don’t realise because they only look at the monthly amount unless they’ve done the research the salesman is not at Liberty to disclose the small print it’s all in front of you to read for yourself,like the comment earlier I only pay interest on what I’m paying yeah that’s exactly how it looks so much down so much a month.
Years ago I nearly got caught big time on an M4 the small amount down with a monthly that was a lot but far cheaper than finance,you can finance these things in a much cheaper way where’s you get you’re deposit back as long as you don’t keep the car too long that it becomes worth less than the big deposit initially used.
if I estimated that the vehicle I’m buying will drop by 25% over 3 years i would put down 70-75% I always do this on cars it always ends up costing just a few grand to own it over that period then full deposit back,at the moment with the right car you’ve made money.
This method can only be done if you can lump a big deposit down and people that sell PCP know this and any decent salesman would tell you this,its just like you’re own PCP without the huge interest you get nothing for money in the bank anyway.
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If you PCP a small car under 20k I can see the attraction if you will definitely be changing it every couple of years but at the end of the day you are just renting the car,lots of people driving around in 60-70k cars paying 30-35k over 3 years + deposit just renting-PCPing them almost no one buys the vehicle at the end period and they love that coz they want to get you in to another one so you’re constantly renting again and again they hate cash buyers.
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
Once you reach that position in life you never want to go back. Brilliant being debt free, mortgage free, more freedom, more free time, less worries.
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You’ve only got to look when you drive to work so so many cars 2-4 years old driving about all leased or PCP but a lot of them are as cheap as chips because there the smaller cheaper end of the market,most young women that use the car to get to work etc it may suit 150 a month on a PCP swap it in after 3 years then get another the dealer sells it on with 15-20000 on the clock everyone’s happy she’s probably got a service package and other bits topping it up.
It’s the higher end of the market if you don’t know what you’re signing up for you get mugged,on first impression you’re only paying interest on what you borrow or I can afford that monthly payment.
They even tell you we give you a contribution to that offer lol 4-5k not that they’ve already overinflated the screen price by the same.
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
Once you reach that position in life you never want to go back. Brilliant being debt free, mortgage free, more freedom, more free time, less worries.
They don’t want cash buyers they want you to PCP that’s why they plug it they can then sell you service packages paint protection the list goes on,most of all they want the interest on the finance you take out over the period plus the dormant lump in the middle that’s payable at the end of the term that you will hardly ever intend in paying off.
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
I've got no desire to buy a car outright...I'd rather lease and get a brand new one every 3 years....and keep a large chunk of money in the bank for emergencies/holidays,etc..
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
I've got no desire to buy a car outright...I'd rather lease and get a brand new one every 3 years....and keep a large chunk of money in the bank for emergencies/holidays,etc..
It doesn’t have to be one or the other y’know Daz. It is also possible to own a car outright AND keep a large chunk of money in savings/investments.
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
Once you reach that position in life you never want to go back. Brilliant being debt free, mortgage free, more freedom, more free time, less worries.
I'm like that now but I spare a thought for those who have little choice. Back in 2006 when I had three kids at home, a mortgage and was moving from an estate car to a van I had to finance it somehow. But having a van changed my job completely from doing £120 a day in 2005 to £150 a day when I went wfp out of my estate car and straight to £200 a day when I got my first van in 2006.
I doubt there are many doing that now as wfp is the standard way and hardly any serious window cleaner uses a car.
When I bought the van I did a £200 a month over 4 years and did a wriggle to buy the van for £2000. I paid well over the odds than getting a bank loan and deposit BUT it was still worth it as it got me into the cycle of a reliable (new) van. SO I spare a thought for those starting out.
The second (present) van I could have bought outright but was offered a great overdraft deal for one year by my bank and I paid it off over a year at about 2%. For the car we just bought outright. But these were both vehicles well under £20K at the time and are still running fine ten years later. (touch wood).
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I just buy my vehicles the old fashioned way. See what I want, save up a bit, haggle a bit, buy it own it outright from day one. ;D
I've got no desire to buy a car outright...I'd rather lease and get a brand new one every 3 years....and keep a large chunk of money in the bank for emergencies/holidays,etc..
It doesn’t have to be one or the other y’know Daz. It is also possible to own a car outright AND keep a large chunk of money in savings/investments.
Of course.....but I like getting a new car every 3 years and it's so easy and hassle free,no mots and I usually only service them once or twice in that time
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Trouble is Daz you will find all the money you have in the bank is losing value.
Compare the rate of inflation to the interest you get on your money, and currently you will find it is depreciating by around 8% or so per year.
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You would be better off leasing a mini van or something similar Smart car with advertising on and claiming it against you’re tax each month,Car dealers love PCP deals if they sign you up for a 4 year deal they will get at least half the contract out of you and it will affect you’re credit rating if you finish it early or it can do.
BMWs plummet in price I almost got caught big time a few years ago with PCP I would have owed them money after the contract unless I’d got straight in to another 1.
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Trouble is Daz you will find all the money you have in the bank is losing value.
Compare the rate of inflation to the interest you get on your money, and currently you will find it is depreciating by around 8% or so per year.
im adding to it every month too of course...inflation will not stay at this high rate forever....just as interest rates wont stay the same either
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I am glad you are doing well Daz but inflation has been higher than interest rates for years.
You might consider putting some of your cash in to an investment that is more likely to grow more than inflation.
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Yeah invest it Daz with the huge increases in gas and electricity fuel and food you might just break even lol.
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
Only a fool would blow all their money and not save for a rainy day...
The trick is to live well within your means with a few luxuries here and there whilst also saving money all year round...
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That’s true Daz those that don’t save for a rainy day will get wet.
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
Only a fool would blow all their money and not save for a rainy day...
The trick is to live well within your means with a few luxuries here and there whilst also saving money all year round...
You are right it's about balance I didn't mean blow it all. Save a bit, invest a bit and spend a bit. Just as it makes no sense blowing the lot and having no savings it also makes no sense saving every penny and living as though you are broke for a rainy day that may never come.
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
Only a fool would blow all their money and not save for a rainy day...
The trick is to live well within your means with a few luxuries here and there whilst also saving money all year round...
You are right it's about balance I didn't mean blow it all. Save a bit, invest a bit and spend a bit. Just as it makes no sense blowing the lot and having no savings it also makes no sense saving every penny and living as though you are broke for a rainy day that may never come.
I'm off to the Maldives in Oct..... :D ;D
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Lol I’d get slated if I said I was off to the Maldives 😂
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
Only a fool would blow all their money and not save for a rainy day...
The trick is to live well within your means with a few luxuries here and there whilst also saving money all year round...
You are right it's about balance I didn't mean blow it all. Save a bit, invest a bit and spend a bit. Just as it makes no sense blowing the lot and having no savings it also makes no sense saving every penny and living as though you are broke for a rainy day that may never come.
I'm off to the Maldives in Oct..... :D ;D
Lol I'm going to italy in august, which with 2 kids in peak season probably costs more than the maldives :'(
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Its all b******s anyway, save it, invest it then when you fall ill the goverment take it all off you anyway.
May as well just enjoy it whilst you can.
Only a fool would blow all their money and not save for a rainy day...
The trick is to live well within your means with a few luxuries here and there whilst also saving money all year round...
You are right it's about balance I didn't mean blow it all. Save a bit, invest a bit and spend a bit. Just as it makes no sense blowing the lot and having no savings it also makes no sense saving every penny and living as though you are broke for a rainy day that may never come.
I'm off to the Maldives in Oct..... :D ;D
Lol I'm going to italy in august, which with 2 kids in peak season probably costs more than the maldives :'(
you must be a sucker for punishment......itll be so busy!and hot as well as expensive! ::)roll ;D