Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mike1986 on May 13, 2022, 01:54:54 pm
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There’s 2 of these in Cardiff now just popped up. They both have very small allocated areas which would be very difficult to build a sizeable round in if confined to those areas only, however the website makes this statement:
As a guide, you can expect estimated profits – not just turnover – of around £30,000 in year 1, £60,000+ in year 2 and up to £100K in year 3.
£100k PROFIT in year 3 😳 how do people fall for this stuff? 🤷♂️😂 Also wondering how to they get away with making statements like that which would be impossible to deliver
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Are these the fellas that have ‘FREE CLEAN OFFER’ in big lettering across the bonnet of their vans? Always makes me laugh when I see them about.
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There’s 2 of these in Cardiff now just popped up. They both have very small allocated areas which would be very difficult to build a sizeable round in if confined to those areas only, however the website makes this statement:
As a guide, you can expect estimated profits – not just turnover – of around £30,000 in year 1, £60,000+ in year 2 and up to £100K in year 3.
£100k PROFIT in year 3 😳 how do people fall for this stuff? 🤷♂️😂 Also wondering how to they get away with making statements like that which would be impossible to deliver
Mike go easy on em m8 you do know there’s 24hrs in the day you can work don’t you and I have it on a first hand basis that the 100k a year is cream work stand alone keypad entry stuff,they used to say 1 born every minute I’m starting to think it may be a higher number than that 🤣.
You would only ever sell that to someone that has no idea-clue-foggiest about window cleaning m8.
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What they are saying is that it’s a scalable multivan business so in theory you could hit £100k a year if you have enough employees and vans. You could put those kind of claims for any business.
£16500 + vat start up cost and that includes the DEPOSIT on a van.
Sounds a bit like pyramid selling. The guy at the top does very well according to Companies House
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Seen these about, they seem to be doing really well with multiple franchisees.
Their marketting is brilliant, website is really slick, they seem to know what they are doing.
Not sure why people feel the need to knock others doing well, fair play to them
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I’ve seen the guy that owns this business let me know if you see him too will you I need a word with him, MODDED
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Before he got in to window cleaning he was selling fishing rods and ice trays to the Eskimos or just any old fool that wanted parting with their 💰,some people just want to hear you will give them the world why would any strange person advertise or come up to you and offer you that they’d keep quiet yeah.
I could give someone a 1000 worth of work a week tomorrow if they’ve never done the job before they’d have no business in a month.
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I thought these were down south based around Enfield and Potters bar.
If it's the same one they have been going years, and they do very well.They use this forum.
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Seen these about, they seem to be doing really well with multiple franchisees.
Their marketting is brilliant, website is really slick, they seem to know what they are doing.
Not sure why people feel the need to knock others doing well, fair play to them
Is it the ones that advertise a free clean on their van then? I’ve only ever seen the van drivers looking stressed and flustered so I’m guessing not.
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Good set up.
I have a nephew who took out a franchise with them.
He is doing well.
Good back up and training.
Not just windows.
But it's like everything.... You have to put effort and enthusiasm in to get results.
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Seen these about, they seem to be doing really well with multiple franchisees.
Their marketting is brilliant, website is really slick, they seem to know what they are doing.
Not sure why people feel the need to knock others doing well, fair play to them
Is it the ones that advertise a free clean on their van then? I’ve only ever seen the van drivers looking stressed and flustered so I’m guessing not.
I think you are referring to UK window clean, they are or were leeds based. See their free window clean leaflets all over. Their drivers do look like theyve been dragged out of the job centre ;)
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I've personally dealt with 2 Franchisees from My Window Cleaner with the services that i offer and i can tell you that their business model is really good and the Franchisees are making very good money.
These guys are definitely in the top tier of franchise window cleaners in the UK. They are really doing well.
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I couldn’t disagree with anything you’ve said above but you have to look at it as an overall picture that’s all I’ve ever said,certain people it will suit others they will think they’ve been duped and in a lot of cases they have been.
Lot of genuine people selling a start up business like ours but I have heard 1-2 stories from people that have invested,not heard anything bad about the few on hear that offer it though.
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I wasn’t stating they were a bad company, my point was the 100k per year profit (profit not turnover remember) in year 3 projection is beyond crazy and anybody who has experience working in the industry will know that. Particularly when you’re confined to a small area. It’s deliberately misleading
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I mean let’s be honest, we would all be buying a franchise from them if we believed it to be true wouldn’t we? You’d be a fool not to 😂
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
I wonder if many on here are really earning that darran?
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I just don’t understand why anyone would hand over a certain percentage of their hard earned cash every year to someone else.
Anyone can start up window cleaning, it’s not something that requires special training (much) or a powerful brand. I get the idea of franchising for something like Burger King, it’s a strong brand with a ready made customer base.
But there’s no such thing for window cleaning.
I would guess that by the 3rd year, a franchisee is going to be pretty fed up handing over their profit once they themselves have the knowledge and experience to do it on their own. And they’ll also be fed up being restricted in the areas they can work.
I’d be very surprised if the lifespan of a franchisee was beyond 3 years. After that they’re surely going to break away and go it alone, taking the customer base with them (as customers don’t belong to anyone)
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You still need some level of business sense to be a window cleaner give some credit lol,if you say that about someone that’s done it on their own and built it up then what does that say about the person that buys in.
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It’s not that hard in window cleaning to build a good brand and stand out.
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Some people are are thrown out of work with a redundancy package at a certain age. Imagine you are fairly fit aged 45 with mortgage and young family and been used to earning 40K a year before you lost your low middle management high pressure job job. You have say tens of thousands in redundancy and you would like to work for yourself but never have.
Yes, WE all know we could start up ourselves and canvass and build a round in a year and grow it - but they don't.
That is possibly the best fit for a franchisee and a franchisor I would imagine. And if they get in with someone like Vin everyone is happy.
Not for me but horses for courses.
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I just don’t understand why anyone would hand over a certain percentage of their hard earned cash every year to someone else.
Anyone can start up window cleaning, it’s not something that requires special training (much) or a powerful brand. I get the idea of franchising for something like Burger King, it’s a strong brand with a ready made customer base.
But there’s no such thing for window cleaning.
I would guess that by the 3rd year, a franchisee is going to be pretty fed up handing over their profit once they themselves have the knowledge and experience to do it on their own. And they’ll also be fed up being restricted in the areas they can work.
I’d be very surprised if the lifespan of a franchisee was beyond 3 years. After that they’re surely going to break away and go it alone, taking the customer base with them (as customers don’t belong to anyone)
This is where a lot of us underestimate ourselves - it is hard to do windows (successfully) - as an employer why would my lads work 35 hours a week for a set wage when they could "just" go out and keep 100% of the take ?
Simple...
Not everyone can do the canvassing, they cant afford the tools/van, but most of all they don't want the uncertainty of no regular income - especially in the early years - nor do they want the stress of collecting money and looking for more work...
Yes there are some here that have maybe "just" fallen into window cleaning via benefiting from a family round - or helping mates out or not having any other option and as a single operator make a living ( for example Daz - he makes a good living but he has next to no rent - no family - no mortgage ) put that to someone having 3 kids to cloth and feed - rent of inexcess of £1k the prospect of running their own biz is most likely to stressful - Franchise offers a great option - relative small outlay - but regular income where you pay a small override - you hit the ground running with a stack of customers and if things go well only increase and make more and quite rightly if someone is providing you with that work they get a commission - just like anyone in the entertainment industry pay their agent for getting them a gig/work etc..
Darran
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Zesty - what are you implying ?? ;)
Darran
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I just don’t understand why anyone would hand over a certain percentage of their hard earned cash every year to someone else.
Anyone can start up window cleaning, it’s not something that requires special training (much) or a powerful brand. I get the idea of franchising for something like Burger King, it’s a strong brand with a ready made customer base.
But there’s no such thing for window cleaning.
I would guess that by the 3rd year, a franchisee is going to be pretty fed up handing over their profit once they themselves have the knowledge and experience to do it on their own. And they’ll also be fed up being restricted in the areas they can work.
I’d be very surprised if the lifespan of a franchisee was beyond 3 years. After that they’re surely going to break away and go it alone, taking the customer base with them (as customers don’t belong to anyone)
This is where a lot of us underestimate ourselves - it is hard to do windows (successfully) - as an employer why would my lads work 35 hours a week for a set wage when they could "just" go out and keep 100% of the take ?
Simple...
Not everyone can do the canvassing, they cant afford the tools/van, but most of all they don't want the uncertainty of no regular income - especially in the early years - nor do they want the stress of collecting money and looking for more work...
Yes there are some here that have maybe "just" fallen into window cleaning via benefiting from a family round - or helping mates out or not having any other option and as a single operator make a living ( for example Daz - he makes a good living but he has next to no rent - no family - no mortgage ) put that to someone having 3 kids to cloth and feed - rent of inexcess of £1k the prospect of running their own biz is most likely to stressful - Franchise offers a great option - relative small outlay - but regular income where you pay a small override - you hit the ground running with a stack of customers and if things go well only increase and make more and quite rightly if someone is providing you with that work they get a commission - just like anyone in the entertainment industry pay their agent for getting them a gig/work etc..
Darran
Exactly, I think some of us forget how much balls it takes to stray from the traditional employee route and go it alone. It isn't as easy as "just starting your own round". Yes we can look back and say well that wasnt so hard after all but thats easy to say in hindsight. Most people stay in the safe employed route because they are afraid of failure, how many millions of people dream about bigger things but never do it. People are drawn to safety and guarantees, its a survival instinct which is hard to break, it doesnt come naturally to us to take risks . That's why franchises sell, they are playing on the fact we cant cope with uncertainty and thus people will happily hand over money to save themselves from mental torment.
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I can see why a new start up would buy into a window cleaning franchise which provides a guaranteed amount of work. On the other hand I fail to understand why anyone would buy into a window cleaning franchise where there is no work supplied.
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What you are saying KS is my view that is nothing
More than a con and way to make money nothing else,if you’re established and been doing it for years you could do that tomorrow.
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What you are saying KS is my view that is nothing
More than a con and way to make money nothing else,if you’re established and been doing it for years you could do that tomorrow.
We all know your opinion. You repeat it ad nauseum. No more of it in this thread please.
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I’d be very surprised if the lifespan of a franchisee was beyond 3 years. After that they’re surely going to break away and go it alone, taking the customer base with them (as customers don’t belong to anyone)*
* They can't take the customer base with them if the agreement is written correctly.
Our first franchisee is renewing in August after ten years.
Our second just renewed at just over nine years (different agreement lengths).
Our third is just about to renew at seven years (ditto).
All suggests they're moderately content.
None of them has ever had to find a customer, choose equipment or even know how to set up water production. If anything breaks that they can't fix I drop everything and sort it out. They have cover from the other franchisees in case of long-term illness or accident. Soon there's likely to be a spare van for times they are off the road. When we find a better way to do anything they all find out. They all have Aworka and new jobs just appear on there. They never leaflet or canvass. They haven't had to shop around for van or liability insurance. If they phone, I answer. If there are hassles with customers I deal with it. Direct Debits are handled on their behalf. In short, they have no concerns to bother about apart from going out, cleaning windows and taking as much time off as possible.
Vin
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Franchising is only gonna grow and grow in window cleaning as more business minded people get involved in the trade....I know a few franchisees and they are happy and they earn more than me(but they work longer hours and some saturdays)
Each to their own.... ;)
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Vin I know what you’re saying about the contract etc as far as the customers go but this will not stop it happening I know for a fact it does and has happened,you can’t tell anyone who to have as their window cleaner when you take a customer on they might sign up to you for 12 months but after that time or if they pay you up early that’s it.
If the franchisee is not allowed to go near you’re customers for a year after they leave that won’t stop them being poached in another name,I’ve seen this happen not saying you’re model doesn’t work at all but you are relying on genuine stand up people you couldn’t possibly track all the jobs poached and who they were from it would be a nightmare legally.
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Franchising = a loophole to not go VAT registered ;-)
A franchise can have 10 vans and they wont need to be VAT registered, if you are a company then u got to start paying VAT as soon as u hit 85k (2-3 vans)
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Not a loophole at all - it’s quite clear if your turnover is 85+ k you pay vat
As each franchise is a deprecate biz then it’s each franchise that will pay vat when turnover demands it - and the franchiser will also pay vat when his/her “cut” reaches 85k - which if you have 4 or 5 on the go and then receive 30k for 2 new franchises can easily put you in the vat bracket
Darran
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Yes but the idea is you keep under the VAT limit isn’t it I could completely come off the tools rent my business out to a couple of cleaners and take a % each month from both,they are self employed and I remain self employed at the end of the day.
Everything is done to keep Tax down in business if it’s going Ltd dividing you’re business in to a franchise etc lol.
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Franchising = a loophole to not go VAT registered ;-)
A franchise can have 10 vans and they wont need to be VAT registered, if you are a company then u got to start paying VAT as soon as u hit 85k (2-3 vans)
We're VAT registered.
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Not a loophole at all - it’s quite clear if your turnover is 85+ k you pay vat
As each franchise is a deprecate biz then it’s each franchise that will pay vat when turnover demands it - and the franchiser will also pay vat when his/her “cut” reaches 85k - which if you have 4 or 5 on the go and then receive 30k for 2 new franchises can easily put you in the vat bracket
Darran
If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way ;)
Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED and robbing the HMRC ;-) but its a legal way of doing it :P ;D
Franchising is the easiest route to expansion 100%
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If you franchise then you don’t have a fleet of vans but several individual businesses - which is the point really
Darran
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If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way ;)
Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED and robbing the HMRC ;-) but its a legal way of doing it :P ;D
I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong. We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.
You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".
Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.
We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds. In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.
We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.
Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.
Vin
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I don’t think Vin would post anything on here if he was robbing the HMRC tbh lol.
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If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way ;)
Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED and robbing the HMRC ;-) but its a legal way of doing it :P ;D
I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong. We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.
You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".
Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.
We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds. In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.
We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.
Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.
Vin
some great points there Vin.
Jay
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There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period, no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this ;D ;D Stick to cleaning windows boys.
If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way ;)
Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED and robbing the HMRC ;-) but its a legal way of doing it :P ;D
I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong. We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.
You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".
Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.
We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds. In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.
We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.
Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.
Vin
I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business .. :-\ a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.
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oh shock horror ! all us thick window cleaners must doff our caps and tug our forelocks to you non-window cleaner even though its YOU who does not know his Gluteus maximus from his elbow
of course franchise can be and often are LTD - plus have to be vat when turning over 85k just like any other biz
some people love to think they are superior to everyone else...
Darran
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Hazzah, are you still at school?
Very funny post you’ve put up regarding business for sale. Gave me a good laugh! 😂
MODDED with a bit left for context!
“Whole window cleaning company for sale -
Let me know if interested.
Who ever buys will have a healthy company with a big bright future
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There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period, no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this ;D ;D Stick to cleaning windows boys.
I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business .. :-\ a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.
You still don't understand that franchising and being a limited company are completely unrelated.
I'm glad you don't feel you're questioning but when you say that franchising is just a way of robbing the HMRC you're making a pretty stiff accusation. All I was doing was clarifying was that your comments were utter arse-gravy, loose stool water of the highest sloppiness.
I think your business acumen is being very well demonstrated in this thread. I understand that you're only on here to flog your business so I'll leave you alone now.
Vin
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Hazzah, are you still at school?
Very funny post you’ve put up regarding business for sale. Gave me a good laugh! 😂
MODDED with a bit left for context!
Let me know if interested.
Who ever buys will have a healthy company with a big bright future
Thanks for the heads up. That was in 'window cleaning rounds for sale' and it's been removed from there as it is not simply 'a round' is it?
The poster can contact forum admin if he wants to sell his 'healthy company with a big bright future' in the for sale sections.
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Hazzah, are you still at school?
Very funny post you’ve put up regarding business for sale. Gave me a good laugh! 😂
MODDED with a bit left for context!
Let me know if interested.
Who ever buys will have a healthy company with a big bright future ...
;D what a plonker
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There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period, no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this ;D ;D Stick to cleaning windows boys.
If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way ;)
Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED and robbing the HMRC ;-) but its a legal way of doing it :P ;D
I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong. We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.
You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".
Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.
We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds. In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.
We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.
Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.
Vin
I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business .. :-\ a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.
As a new member to the forum I don’t think you will be making many friends with the comments you are making , might pay to think before posting , and get your facts right .
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There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period, no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this ;D ;D Stick to cleaning windows boys.
I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business .. :-\ a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.
You still don't understand that franchising and being a limited company are completely unrelated.
I'm glad you don't feel you're questioning but when you say that franchising is just a way of robbing the HMRC you're making a pretty stiff accusation. All I was doing was clarifying was that your comments were utter arse-gravy, loose stool water of the highest sloppiness.
I think your business acumen is being very well demonstrated in this thread. I understand that you're only on here to flog your business so I'll leave you alone now.
Vin
U talk absolute b******s, never once have i accused u of anything , infact I havent even replied to u because if i did i would of quoted you.
I have not accused you of anything so stop jumbling my words up. I will repeat it again… franchise is the route to take for any business wanting to deter vat payments :D ;D
There is 2 business models.... a LTD company and a Franchise, the franchise model was made so people could deter VAT for a longer period, no wonder all u guys are window cleaners... because u dont have a clue about things like this ;D ;D Stick to cleaning windows boys.
If any business wants to grow a fleet of vans and not pay VAT.. then franchise is the way ;)
Franchise is just a way around of not being LIMITED and robbing the HMRC ;-) but its a legal way of doing it :P ;D
I've tried to be polite but this is just plain wrong. We're limited and we're VAT registered. Being Limited and being VAT registered are utterly unrelated. You can be Limited and not VAT registered. You can be a sole trader and VAT registered.
You claim that franchising is "just a way around of ... robbing the HMRC".
Our franchisees run their own businesses. They own and run their own vans. We don't have a fleet.
We licence them to use our brand; kit out their vans; give them a great deal of help and guidance; we do all the marketing required for them to have full rounds. In return for this and other services they pay us a royalty. If they go over the VAT limit they will have to register and pay.
We are a limited company, VAT registered, and we pay VAT on the fees paid to us. Yes, we pay it; when we went past the VAT limit we lowered the royalty percentage so the franchisees wouldn't be hit.
Tell me again how we're "robbing the HMRC". Be very careful, as it's a strikingly bold claim to make on a public forum.
Vin
I havent qustioned u or anything? I really do not know why you are explaining yourself on a public forum? I am just talking in general terms of what the difference is between franchising and LTD company... I havent asked u to giv me an analysis of your business .. :-\ a few franchises are VAT registered i understand but like i said if anyone wants to avoid paying VAT for a longer period then franchising is the way.
As a new member to the forum I don’t think you will be making many friends with the comments you are making , might pay to think before posting , and get your facts right .
Friends? On a forum? U need to get of the computer and get outside
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Hello Hazzah,
Your advert in window cleaning rounds has been taken down for the second time. I shall ask you again to contact forum admin if you wish to advertise.
Also your attitude on here is not the most pleasant and has already broken forum guidelines.
Furthermore may I ask which of your companies you are aiming to sell, as on Companies House there are two companies with very similar names which appear active which appear to have you listed as Director? Looking at the number of employees they don't seem to match what you have said in your deleted (but quoted in this thread) advert. Maybe I am incorrect in what I think I have found?
If you are genuine then please present your advert to Forum Admin for approval; if you try to put an advert up again without having done so and/or conduct yourself as you have done thus far under reasonable responses to your assertions your account will be banned.
If you choose to delete your own account then that is of course your prerogative.
If anything I have posted here is incorrect then please civilly explain my error(s) and I shall withdraw them.
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Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Hello Hazzah,
Your advert in window cleaning rounds has been taken down for the second time. I shall ask you again to contact forum admin if you wish to advertise.
Also your attitude on here is not the most pleasant and has already broken forum guidelines.
Furthermore may I ask which of your companies you are aiming to sell, as on Companies House there are two companies with very similar names which appear active which appear to have you listed as Director? Looking at the number of employees they don't seem to match what you have said in your deleted (but quoted in this thread) advert. Maybe I am incorrect in what I think I have found?
If you are genuine then please present your advert to Forum Admin for approval; if you try to put an advert up again without having done so and/or conduct yourself as you have done thus far under reasonable responses to your assertions your account will be banned.
If you choose to delete your own account then that is of course your prerogative.
If anything I have posted here is incorrect then please civilly explain my error(s) and I shall withdraw them.
This is a private and confidential sale, an opportunity not to be missed.
We are a big outfit based in the West Midlands. Will not share my company details on a public forum and also do not want to unsettle any employees
I will only talk figures to serious buyers only
No time wasters thank you
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Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guy wants to ban me becos i tell him franchise is for women😂 everyone is entitled to they own opinion.
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Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guy wants to ban me becos i tell him franchise is for women😂 everyone is entitled to they own opinion.
And away you go...
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You might choose to delete the quotes containing his advert.
I'd have expected that someone selling an £800,000 business would:
1. Be happy to pay to advertise.
2. Be polite and helpful so that people don't draw conclusions that might affect the sale.
Vin
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c'mon Vin - £800k - barely 800 pence I would say - he reminds me of a guy doing the same thing a while back before lockdown - that all went Pete tong as well
Darran
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You might choose to delete the quotes containing his advert.
I'd have expected that someone selling an £800,000 business would:
1. Be happy to pay to advertise.
2. Be polite and helpful so that people don't draw conclusions that might affect the sale.
Vin
3. Be able to spell?
😁
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Yep I've deleted the advert in this thread. Although "West Midlands" seems a long way from where his signing up details led to. ;D
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Oh dear he seams to have gone very quiet all of a sudden wonder why 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guy wants to ban me becos i tell him franchise is for women😂 everyone is entitled to they own opinion.
This is wrong on every level!
I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who works with him...or for him!
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How does franchising rob HMRC ? if anything the opposite is true, you could have 10 franchisees all turning over unlimited amounts and all paying taxes and possibly VAT
Ltd company or franchise ? really so can a sole trader not franchise ?
Wouldnt be buying a business of this daft lad :D
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?
If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?
If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!
Could be they are a lot younger than we are. ;D
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Also your attitude on here is not the most pleasant and has already broken forum guidelines.
Forum guidelines? What are those and where can I find them?
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?
If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!
I take 70k. I have 3 full time staff and work 8 hours on Mondays then an hour per day for the rest of the week to reply to emails.
We don't have a window cleaning round anymore tho. We do one offs like gutters, pw and render.
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?
If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!
I take 70k. I have 3 full time staff and work 8 hours on Mondays then an hour per day for the rest of the week to reply to emails.
We don't have a window cleaning round anymore tho. We do one offs like gutters, pw and render.
I take it it’s a 70k profit and not 70k turnover with having staff?
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I personal take 70k, most of it is in dividends.
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I don’t think you can judge that really - I’m sure in theory you can make 100k by year 3 - after all look at those on here - doing 4 hour days and working 3 maybe 4 day weeks for 70k a year - apply that to doing say a 39 hour week then anything is possible …
Some people are more motivated than others - if you get 3 franchises up and running the skys the limit
Whether in reality it can be done is another matter ….
Darran
Is anyone really earning £70k a year doing 4 hours - 3/4 days a week?
If so what the hell are they doing? I need to know!
I take 70k. I have 3 full time staff and work 8 hours on Mondays then an hour per day for the rest of the week to reply to emails.
We don't have a window cleaning round anymore tho. We do one offs like gutters, pw and render.
How did you transition from window cleaning to just doing the bigger jobs..? The regular window cleaning could bring in a good, steady stream of money, especially if it was franchised? Why did you change?
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1 off work like s/f/g etc.. easily bring in 2x or 3x p/h over regular windows - p/w even more
the disadvantage is its usually a fair while before it repeats...
we stopped growing the windows a while back just so we could keep up with "add ons" - now we've taken on more staff I have more flex to add more window work - purely as a base/safety net should everything dry up
if you can cope with not having repeating work you earn more while doing less
Darran
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1 off work like s/f/g etc.. easily bring in 2x or 3x p/h over regular windows - p/w even more
the disadvantage is its usually a fair while before it repeats...
we stopped growing the windows a while back just so we could keep up with "add ons" - now we've taken on more staff I have more flex to add more window work - purely as a base/safety net should everything dry up
if you can cope with not having repeating work you earn more while doing less
Darran
Yes I definitely agree.
We do a lot of extra work, and I really don't push it. If I did I'm confident we would be fine with the bigger jobs. My main concern is employing people, as I would need at least two employees working to a very good standard. From past experience I am not keen to employ to be honest..
Which gives me the challenge to work out what to with the business, which means another year will go by without making a decision!