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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Blackadder on April 01, 2022, 04:27:26 pm
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Hey all. Been cleaning now for 9 or so years, I’ve only ever used the Gardiner’s sill brush (apart from flock brushes for lead etc) when I heard that they were discontinuing the old sill brush, I stocked up on a few but the time has come to purchase new ones. What are the opinions on the new ones or which do you find the best every day brush? Thanks
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I use the supreme dupont for most jobs except lead. The extra splay I find helps to clean sills.
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I was a big fan of the old sill brush too, the supreme DuPont has become my go-to.
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
How you getting on with the nano daz ?
I got the 18ft and as much as i try to like it the clamps just aint as good as gardiner and although its loosened up a little its still not that smooth to extend.... that said ive just snapped my extreme again and the nano is defo more robust.
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It’s more robust coz it’s heavier and they feel even heavier when you first start using one,same as the Ova High Mod it’s a good pole but it feels heavier blind folded.
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
How you getting on with the nano daz ?
I got the 18ft and as much as i try to like it the clamps just aint as good as gardiner and although its loosened up a little its still not that smooth to extend.... that said ive just snapped my extreme again and the nano is defo more robust.
Understand what your saying about the clamps , i had misgivings about them right from the start but my 18footer is now16months old and still has the original ones on and thats at least 5 1/2 full time days a week. Ive got a 35ft slx and now gone full circle and actually prefer the feel of the nano clamps although can't deny the Gardiners are better quality. Its way stronger than i expected because i read the reviews about the Extreme and expected this to be similar and the 18ft pole is just 30g more than the extreme, thats just 12x1p pieces or 30 paper clips and obviously a much better price and no replacement sections needed. i love it.
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Extreme flocked sill brush for me, use it for 99% of my work.
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Xtreme tapertec, never use anything else
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Coming from the sill also , I found the DuPont supreme the best. Can still get the sills and they last forever. I was getting through a new extreme sill every 8 weeks .
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I use 1x wide flocked extreme sill 1x wide DuPont extreme sill for houses with large plate glass windows or Velux.
1x etreme flocked sill 1x extreme medium sill normal size.
I’ve tried every brush there is from these to Tuckers I’ve converted myself,the above 4 brushes cover all work if you want to waste your time with heavy Xline brushes good luck but you don’t need to as long as you’ve got contact on the window that’s all you need therefore the lightest brush possible,if you give these to employees they won’t last as long but they’ll be happier.
Once a heavy brush gives you golfers elbow you won’t care if they last half or a 1/3rd of the time trust me.
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Ultimate medium and flocked are my favourite brushes for the glass i also like the supreme flocked for gutters the splay gets right under and behind gutters 8)
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I use 1x wide flocked extreme sill 1x wide DuPont extreme sill for houses with large plate glass windows or Velux.
1x etreme flocked sill 1x extreme medium sill normal size.
I’ve tried every brush there is from these to Tuckers I’ve converted myself,the above 4 brushes cover all work if you want to waste your time with heavy Xline brushes good luck but you don’t need to as long as you’ve got contact on the window that’s all you need therefore the lightest brush possible,if you give these to employees they won’t last as long but they’ll be happier.
Once a heavy brush gives you golfers elbow you won’t care if they last half or a 1/3rd of the time trust me.
According to Gardiner's website - none of those brushes are suitable for use with hot water.
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They are fine for me I don’t kill a brush or leave em on forever and with hot water you don’t need to scrub windows like a fool,the flocked brushes should be listed as suitable imo but the others over time can go slightly out shape but hey ho they are feather light unlike the orange bricks 🧱.
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It’s in peoples heads they need a heavy large brush you just don’t,a lot of windows on 6-8 weekly cleans are only lightly soiled sometimes just nothing more than dust a big brush that weighs 4 times as much is not needed especially with hot water.
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
How you getting on with the nano daz ?
I got the 18ft and as much as i try to like it the clamps just aint as good as gardiner and although its loosened up a little its still not that smooth to extend.... that said ive just snapped my extreme again and the nano is defo more robust.
Absolutely fine....its a much better pole IMO than the xtreme (apart from the clamps)..the xtreme is just too brittle....the balance between weight and rigidity is perfect in the nano...I just wish it had gardiner clamps...it would be the best pole out there if it had.....
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
How you getting on with the nano daz ?
I got the 18ft and as much as i try to like it the clamps just aint as good as gardiner and although its loosened up a little its still not that smooth to extend.... that said ive just snapped my extreme again and the nano is defo more robust.
Absolutely fine....its a much better pole IMO than the xtreme (apart from the clamps)..the xtreme is just too brittle....the balance between weight and rigidity is perfect in the nano...I just wish it had gardiner clamps...it would be the best pole out there if it had.....
Can you use Gardiners accessories? I'd hate to part with the swivel gooseneck.
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
How you getting on with the nano daz ?
I got the 18ft and as much as i try to like it the clamps just aint as good as gardiner and although its loosened up a little its still not that smooth to extend.... that said ive just snapped my extreme again and the nano is defo more robust.
Absolutely fine....its a much better pole IMO than the xtreme (apart from the clamps)..the xtreme is just too brittle....the balance between weight and rigidity is perfect in the nano...I just wish it had gardiner clamps...it would be the best pole out there if it had.....
Can you use Gardiners accessories? I'd hate to part with the swivel gooseneck.
Yes...I use a Gardiner carbon gooseneck and xtreme brush with mine
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Xtreme tapertec, never use anything else
I loved how light this brush is, but don’t you find the jets are too close together?
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Nothing worse than a brush that has jets that are to wide imo,in an ideal world they should have 4 jets even on the smaller brushes.
One thing Xline does offer is a decent rinse with that central rinse bar.
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Nothing worse than a brush that has jets that are to wide imo,in an ideal world they should have 4 jets even on the smaller brushes.
One thing Xline does offer is a decent rinse with that central rinse bar.
Let me sit down a minute.........sorry its the shock.......... you actually just said something sensible. The xline rinse bar is absolutely brilliant, i wish Gardiners would adopt something similar instead of the impractial top rinse bar they have which is asking for trouble when near vents.
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Nothing worse than a brush that has jets that are to wide imo,in an ideal world they should have 4 jets even on the smaller brushes.
One thing Xline does offer is a decent rinse with that central rinse bar.
Let me sit down a minute.........sorry its the shock.......... you actually just said something sensible. The xline rinse bar is absolutely brilliant, i wish Gardiners would adopt something similar instead of the impractial top rinse bar they have which is asking for trouble when near vents.
I found the xline rinse bar was useless it hit every raised part of the window frame did the front of one house with it and it’s hung up on my garage wall and not been used since , also weighs a ton utter rubbish .
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Nothing worse than a brush that has jets that are to wide imo,in an ideal world they should have 4 jets even on the smaller brushes.
One thing Xline does offer is a decent rinse with that central rinse bar.
Let me sit down a minute.........sorry its the shock.......... you actually just said something sensible. The xline rinse bar is absolutely brilliant, i wish Gardiners would adopt something similar instead of the impractial top rinse bar they have which is asking for trouble when near vents.
I found the xline rinse bar was useless it hit every raised part of the window frame did the front of one house with it and it’s hung up on my garage wall and not been used since , also weighs a ton utter rubbish .
Not sure i understand what you mean by that, its completely recessed within the brush, how did it hit anything?
edit.. i guess you mean the water jet wasn't going straight, a pin in the holes or failing that take it to bits and rinse out as may have a bit of debris in the bar that's got past your filter. If that doesn't cure it talk to xline, they might send you a replacement. When its working properly, it makes rinsing so much more managable and also quicker.
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I wasn’t referring to the brush we all know that’s only good for building an extension with they come in stacks of a 1000 don’t they,I was referring to the rinse bar as it covers the full width of the brush useless above the brush I’ve tried that but in the middle of the brush it’s more controllable.
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The more water you can get on the glass the quicker you can clean it.
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The more water you can get on the glass the quicker you can clean it.
Exactly.
I have a 2 man system both are always on full whack. But recently one of the pumps has become slower, I think I actually got it second hand so no idea how old it is.
When I've had someone working with me it's highlighted what a difference it makes, I'm normally faster but with the weaker flow pump I just can't keep up.
Also I have 8mm on one reel and 6mm on the other. I also noticed when I put that weaker pump on the 8mm and the better one on the 6mm it makes the flow rate much closer. If I do it the other way the flow rate difference is shocking.
I've ordered 2 new pumps now but I'm considering ordering 8mm hose rather than 6 as it does improve flow rate. Downside is 8 is much harder to work with.
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You would also be surprised how much flow you can lose from something like bad O rings that need replacing or having a resin vessel in the van it all interferes with flow or can do badly,8 mm hose is noticeable I’ve used it over the years it feels like 1/2” compared to microbore.
Sometimes you don’t realise how much the flow has reduced until you change the pump you can go from flat out on the controller to around 80 and get the same flow as before.
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Nothing worse than a brush that has jets that are to wide imo,in an ideal world they should have 4 jets even on the smaller brushes.
One thing Xline does offer is a decent rinse with that central rinse bar.
I have been wishing gardiner would fit 4 jets as standard on normal size brushes for years.
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Yes I have mentioned it in the past I agree they should all have 4 jets.
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Have to say I’d be the same and prefer 4 jets.
Come on Alex…. It’s got to be worth a trial of one brush variant. ;D I know the tooling costs are expensive etc, but I think it would be a favourite of many.
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You would also be surprised how much flow you can lose from something like bad O rings that need replacing or having a resin vessel in the van it all interferes with flow or can do badly,8 mm hose is noticeable I’ve used it over the years it feels like 1/2” compared to microbore.
Sometimes you don’t realise how much the flow has reduced until you change the pump you can go from flat out on the controller to around 80 and get the same flow as before.
The only thing i dont like about 8mm is when reeling in it tends to loop up a lot more and tangle easier, actually pulling it around and working with it doesnt bother me.
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I use hot water so I never have a problem with tangling hose it doesn’t happen,pulling minibore around over minibore is noticeable and although you may get a better flow this can be had with either bigger jets or more jets.
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I tried the xline rinse bar but found the xline pencil jets made a quicker job of rinsing. Using the rinse bar reduces the amount of water sprayed onto the glass compared to pencil jets.
I thought gardiner's 50 degree fan jets were better, but again these provide a lower volume of water to the glass and I found my 3mm pencil jets more effective/quicker at rinsing.
My experience of rinse bar and fan jets is you use less water overall (i.e. when scrubbing) but I spent a bit more time rinsing due to slower flow rate.
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I had 4 pencil jets in a 26cm Ultimate brush but the positioning of the holes was terrible, two holes on either side within an inch of each other and nowhere near the ends of the brush. Defeated the whole purpose of having 4 jets.
I now use the 35cm Ultimate with 4 jet capsules which are spread evenly across the brush giving much better coverage when rinsing. I also find using the 1.4mm pencil jets in a 4 jet set up works best for me.
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On the wide DuPont with 4 jets I use the blue small jets I think they are the same flat out on the pump gives a very good flow of water,more jets on a brush like the extreme “smaller” version means more bristles out of the brush I believe but if it was possible it would vastly improve it.
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Nothing worse than a brush that has jets that are to wide imo,in an ideal world they should have 4 jets even on the smaller brushes.
One thing Xline does offer is a decent rinse with that central rinse bar.
Let me sit down a minute.........sorry its the shock.......... you actually just said something sensible. The xline rinse bar is absolutely brilliant, i wish Gardiners would adopt something similar instead of the impractial top rinse bar they have which is asking for trouble when near vents.
I found the xline rinse bar was useless it hit every raised part of the window frame did the front of one house with it and it’s hung up on my garage wall and not been used since , also weighs a ton utter rubbish .
I agree , i bought one used it for about 3 hrs phoned them up and complained and they exchanged it for one with pencil jets..
The jets were spraying all over the place at different angles and the bar was catching the frames and cills to much for my liking.
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I virtually only use xtreme brushes these days...either the stiff or medium bristle...there really is no point in using anything heavier for maintenance window cleaning IMO...I also use a carbon gooseneck and hi mod pole(currently an xline nano 25 footer)
How you getting on with the nano daz ?
I got the 18ft and as much as i try to like it the clamps just aint as good as gardiner and although its loosened up a little its still not that smooth to extend.... that said ive just snapped my extreme again and the nano is defo more robust.
Absolutely fine....its a much better pole IMO than the xtreme (apart from the clamps)..the xtreme is just too brittle....the balance between weight and rigidity is perfect in the nano...I just wish it had gardiner clamps...it would be the best pole out there if it had.....
Can you use Gardiners accessories? I'd hate to part with the swivel gooseneck.
Yes...I use a Gardiner carbon gooseneck and xtreme brush with mine
Cheers Daz.
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These days for me the standard 2 pencil jets on the lightest brushes is all I need for window cleaning.fast,efficient and accurate.....
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It wouldn’t make any difference about accuracy you’d still have that,putting 2 more jets more central would give a better coverage of water over the glass using a mono brush would be easier.
With something like an extreme the smaller version this could be achieved with 3 jets by adding one in the center of the brush.
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It wouldn’t make any difference about accuracy you’d still have that,putting 2 more jets more central would give a better coverage of water over the glass using a mono brush would be easier.
With something like an extreme the smaller version this could be achieved with 3 jets by adding one in the center of the brush.
I think you’re forgetting the brush stock is in the centre of the brush😁
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4 would be better jets that are just over an inch inside each end are hopeless the jet positioning of the Gardiner brushes are good for 2 jets but I’d still like to see another each side and move the existing ones in toward the middle slightly,over rinse bars and fan jets are to messy to work with and the water goes everywhere except where you want it to go.
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4 would be better jets that are just over an inch inside each end are hopeless the jet positioning of the Gardiner brushes are good for 2 jets but I’d still like to see another each side and move the existing ones in toward the middle slightly,over rinse bars and fan jets are to messy to work with and the water goes everywhere except where you want it to go.
Seriously I don't see the point....
2 standard 2mm pencil jets are just fine and dandy...no need for adjustment or improvement...it still allows me to do a fast,efficient cleaning of a window....
No need for rinse bars,fan jets,etc...its all extra clutter/expense that is really not needed IMO ....
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You’d see a big improvement on that toothbrush you use with 4 jets and hot water.
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4 jets doesn't seem to improve the speed of the rinse it just reduces the pressure same with 3mm jets, i dont know if it produces more litres per minute, it must do but theres no pressure and i like a jet wash. I've tried it all 6mm, 8mm, pencils, fans, 4 jets, rinse bars etc.....
Best flow to be had is 2 pencils with 8mm hose and no controller so you get a nice bit of pressure build up.
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4 jets on 35cm brushes definitely makes rinsing quicker as less side to side movement is required.
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4 jets on 35cm brushes definitely makes rinsing quicker as less side to side movement is required.
I've had a 35cm brush with 4 jets. Found the brush too big and heavy. Didn't find the rinse quicker there's more jets but you get less pressure out of each one than 2 jets. I'd rather have a lighter brush with 2 pencils personally but I think it's a good idea to try all these things to see what you prefer
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4 jets on 35cm brushes definitely makes rinsing quicker as less side to side movement is required.
Who uses 35cm brushes though for normal day to day window cleaning?the extra weight alone would negate any advantage...
I have a 35cm brush with 4 jets and it just gets used on some art work I clean
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They are ideal if you clean houses with masses of 12ftx12ft panes of glass you’d soon realise that lol.
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They are ideal if you clean houses with masses of 12ftx12ft panes of glass you’d soon realise that lol.
I do clean domestic/commercial jobs with massive panes of glass but I'm not swapping brushes just for a few windows....there is no time saved at all...
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4 jets on 35cm brushes definitely makes rinsing quicker as less side to side movement is required.
Who uses 35cm brushes though for normal day to day window cleaning?the extra weight alone would negate any advantage...
I have a 35cm brush with 4 jets and it just gets used on some art work I clean
I do………you should try it, you could save yourself a small fortune in gym fees😆
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Buy another gooseneck it’s like doubling the amount of glass your cleaning on a job using that toothpick.
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4 jets on 35cm brushes definitely makes rinsing quicker as less side to side movement is required.
Who uses 35cm brushes though for normal day to day window cleaning?the extra weight alone would negate any advantage...
I have a 35cm brush with 4 jets and it just gets used on some art work I clean
I do………you should try it, you could save yourself a small fortune in gym fees😆
Personally I think you need a check up from the neck up using such a large brush for regular window cleaning but we all work different.....my way is better though!😅
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4 jets on 35cm brushes definitely makes rinsing quicker as less side to side movement is required.
Who uses 35cm brushes though for normal day to day window cleaning?the extra weight alone would negate any advantage...
I have a 35cm brush with 4 jets and it just gets used on some art work I clean
I do………you should try it, you could save yourself a small fortune in gym fees😆
Personally I think you need a check up from the neck up using such a large brush for regular window cleaning but we all work different.....my way is better though!😅
I think you need your head looked for using a 25’ pole all day……we all work different tho😉