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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: colin bird on February 03, 2022, 03:52:16 pm
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
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My Stop/Start doesn’t work either. The battery these vans come with are absolute pants, they are not fit for purpose. The only way round it is to upgrade the battery. Ford will not replace them under warranty unless they show a fault code, not operating the Start/Stop doesn’t constitute a fault apparently!
If your van is failing to start that’s a different matter, that would show up as a fault code. If I were you I would run the electrics and drive the van like you normally would, if the van then fails to start the battery should be replaced under warranty.
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Stop start is such a nonsense.
You’ll have to upgrade the battery, and get that stupid stop start mapped out!
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My Stop/Start doesn’t work either. The battery these vans come with are absolute pants, they are not fit for purpose. The only way round it is to upgrade the battery. Ford will not replace them under warranty unless they show a fault code, not operating the Start/Stop doesn’t constitute a fault apparently!
If your van is failing to start that’s a different matter, that would show up as a fault code. If I were you I would run the electrics and drive the van like you normally would, if the van then fails to start the battery should be replaced under warranty.
yes they told me that if a fault code doesnt show they cant replace the battery,i will charge the battery with a smart charger then wait for it to breakdown and get the van recovered to the garage,just ps me off not being able to go to work.
thanks for you reply
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Stop start is such a nonsense.
You’ll have to upgrade the battery, and get that stupid stop start mapped out!
yes agree about the stop start,im just suprisedthe battery they fit is not up to the job
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Do you have a split charge relay and is it the correct one?
When Grippatank put my split relay in they put in the wrong one and it drained the main battery the following day the van wouldn't start as the main one was flat.These vans need a certain split relay system or so I'm told?
My custom does not have stop start but on most vehicles you can turn it off.
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I had a connect L2 and had the same problem, brought it to the Ford dealer and told me nothing was wrong,the hazard lights used to come on at random also.
It wasn't a big deal but got rid of it in the end.
The more technology these vans have the more goes wrong like WFP systems.
I've learned to keep things simple.
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I had a connect L2 and had the same problem, brought it to the Ford dealer and told me nothing was wrong,the hazard lights used to come on at random also.
It wasn't a big deal but got rid of it in the end.
The more technology these vans have the more goes wrong like WFP systems.
I've learned to keep things simple.
I have a connect L2 240 and I've never had a problem with my battery in 5 years from new and I only do low miles and short journeys....the stop/start doesn't work either but I don't want it to anyway!😄👍
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Buy a new battery, one fit for purpose.
It will 100% solve the stop/start issue.
(Having said that, stop/start irritates me so it may not be a bad thing)
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I had a connect L2 and had the same problem, brought it to the Ford dealer and told me nothing was wrong,the hazard lights used to come on at random also.
It wasn't a big deal but got rid of it in the end.
The more technology these vans have the more goes wrong like WFP systems.
I've learned to keep things simple.
Hard to keep things simple as all new vehicles have way too much tech for my liking.
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
This is a well known problem but ford don’t want to fix the problems look on the internet hundreds have the same issues , renault are exactly the same . Unfortunately it’s down to poor design and cheap quality batteries .
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
This is a well known problem but ford don’t want to fix the problems look on the internet hundreds have the same issues , renault are exactly the same . Unfortunately it’s down to poor design and cheap quality batteries .
....... and trying to find a quick fix to getting emissions to meet EU standards. "How do you get emissions down?" "Easy, just switch off the engine! The longer the engine is switched off, the lower the emissions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that out." ;D
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Do you have a split charge relay and is it the correct one?
When Grippatank put my split relay in they put in the wrong one and it drained the main battery the following day the van wouldn't start as the main one was flat.These vans need a certain split relay system or so I'm told?
My custom does not have stop start but on most vehicles you can turn it off.
No split charge relay I can turn stop start off but have to do it each time I get in the van,the stop start not working isn't really a problem I'm more concerend about not knowing if the van will start after stopping
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Buy a new battery, one fit for purpose.
It will 100% solve the stop/start issue.
(Having said that, stop/start irritates me so it may not be a bad thing)
Totaly agree with you ,I'm fighting ford as I feel a 22 month old van under warranty they should replace it
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
This is a well known problem but ford don’t want to fix the problems look on the internet hundreds have the same issues , renault are exactly the same . Unfortunately it’s down to poor design and cheap quality batteries .
Yes I've seen it on forums,justreally fuxxs me off due to age of van
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I can’t even listen to the radio at lunch time in mine, switches off after a minute to save the battery! Next time my van is in for a service I’m going to bite the bullet and get a battery installed that’s actually up to the job.
Not sure if it’s an optional extra or not but some Customs come out the factory fitted with dual batteries.
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
This is a well known problem but ford don’t want to fix the problems look on the internet hundreds have the same issues , renault are exactly the same . Unfortunately it’s down to poor design and cheap quality batteries .
What he said.
My Start Stop stopped after about 3 months. I got all the usual flannel about batteries, so bought a new battery, didn’t work….
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
This is a well known problem but ford don’t want to fix the problems look on the internet hundreds have the same issues , renault are exactly the same . Unfortunately it’s down to poor design and cheap quality batteries .
Yes I've seen it on forums,justreally fuxxs me off due to age of van
I totally agree with you , but unless there is a fault code they won’t do anything, it’s a right con , this is just one reason I wouldn’t buy a ford customer service leaves a lot to be desired .
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I can’t even listen to the radio at lunch time in mine, switches off after a minute to save the battery! Next time my van is in for a service I’m going to bite the bullet and get a battery installed that’s actually up to the job.
Not sure if it’s an optional extra or not but some Customs come out the factory fitted with dual batteries.
Do you know what the stop start batteries cost ?? They are hideous expensive don’t buy one from ford as again it won’t be any good . 😰😰😰
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i have a 20 plate transit customer had it from new.
the stop start stopped working after 10 months,the van has been back to the garage twice and they checked battery and alternator and recharged battery,and was told everything is working ok,after each visit to the garage the stop start stopped working after a few days,i am told the stop start has stopped working due to only doing short journeys and doing multi stops during the day,due to this the battery capacity has dropped causing the stop start to stop working.
today after driving the van 30 mins to first job( ,without headlights or blower on) after five parking five times to do jobs the van turned over very slowly and failed to start in my opinion this is due to low charge in battery.
the battery is now on charge,so hopefully it will start in the morning.
HAS ANY ONE ELSE HAD THIS PROBLEM ?
this is where im coming from should i need to be charging a battery on a van that is on 22 months old ?
the garage just keep saying to me the problem is due to short journeys,every day i travel 10 miles to my first job as i drop my son at college and then go to work.
the van has 25 k on the clock
thanks for reading all the above any help appreciated
This is a well known problem but ford don’t want to fix the problems look on the internet hundreds have the same issues , renault are exactly the same . Unfortunately it’s down to poor design and cheap quality batteries .
What he said.
My Start Stop stopped after about 3 months. I got all the usual flannel about batteries, so bought a new battery, didn’t work….
Any vehicle with stop start technology needs a special battery it won’t work unless it’s the right one .
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I have a Connect L2 240 Auto, bought it at 18 months old with 13000 miles. Stop/ start has only worked twice over the last 2 years, still haven't worked out what made it kick in, thought I'd broken down first time it cut out at traffic lights.
I have a split charger fitted, have never charged the leisure battery separately and have the electric reel hard wired to the aux 12v supply in the rear.
To be honest I'm glad it doesn't stop/start, prefer it without.
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
dont know about that daz,im not bothered about the stop start im more worried about the van not startingive got the battery on charge,but i think its fxxxed,but feel they should replace the battery as van only 22 months old,if it fails again after charging i will know the battery is done,then i can go to war with the dealer
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
as above reply the issue is with the battery as van is 22 months old feel ford should replace it,im not bothered about disabling stop start the annoying thing is you have to disable each time you get in the van ,as the van doesnt have a memory,bit like me
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
dont know about that daz,im not bothered about the stop start im more worried about the van not startingive got the battery on charge,but i think its fxxxed,but feel they should replace the battery as van only 22 months old,if it fails again after charging i will know the battery is done,then i can go to war with the dealer
Ford won't replace your battery....you ll just have to suck it up and buy a new one mate....
The warranty will not cover consumables(it'll be in the small print somewhere)only major mechanical failure
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
dont know about that daz,im not bothered about the stop start im more worried about the van not startingive got the battery on charge,but i think its fxxxed,but feel they should replace the battery as van only 22 months old,if it fails again after charging i will know the battery is done,then i can go to war with the dealer
Ford won't replace your battery....you ll just have to suck it up and buy a new one mate....
The warranty will not cover consumables(it'll be in the small print somewhere)only major mechanical failure
The battery is covered for 3 years under the manufacturers warranty.
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
Yes you can
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
I was talking to a mechanic the other day and he said it’s highly likely that any vehicle with stop Start will have to have it working for the mot they are looking at adding it to the mot just like you aren't allowed to have any lights on the dash that’s a fail and he said stop start will be the same
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
dont know about that daz,im not bothered about the stop start im more worried about the van not startingive got the battery on charge,but i think its fxxxed,but feel they should replace the battery as van only 22 months old,if it fails again after charging i will know the battery is done,then i can go to war with the dealer
Ford won't replace your battery....you ll just have to suck it up and buy a new one mate....
The warranty will not cover consumables(it'll be in the small print somewhere)only major mechanical failure
The battery is covered for 3 years under the manufacturers warranty.
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They will refer you to the dealer if the vehicle is under warranty and ford won’t change it
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
I was talking to a mechanic the other day and he said it’s highly likely that any vehicle with stop Start will have to have it working for the mot they are looking at adding it to the mot just like you aren't allowed to have any lights on the dash that’s a fail and he said stop start will be the same
Thought Nigel had re appeared for a minute there😆
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
I was talking to a mechanic the other day and he said it’s highly likely that any vehicle with stop Start will have to have it working for the mot they are looking at adding it to the mot just like you aren't allowed to have any lights on the dash that’s a fail and he said stop start will be the same
Thought Nigel had re appeared for a minute there😆
😂😂😂
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
dont know about that daz,im not bothered about the stop start im more worried about the van not startingive got the battery on charge,but i think its fxxxed,but feel they should replace the battery as van only 22 months old,if it fails again after charging i will know the battery is done,then i can go to war with the dealer
Ford won't replace your battery....you ll just have to suck it up and buy a new one mate....
The warranty will not cover consumables(it'll be in the small print somewhere)only major mechanical failure
The battery is covered for 3 years under the manufacturers warranty.
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They will refer you to the dealer if the vehicle is under warranty and ford won’t change it
Its covered under the Ford manufacturers warranty. Has to show up as faulty before they will change it tho.
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Can you just buy a normal battery if you not bothered about stop/start?
dont know about that daz,im not bothered about the stop start im more worried about the van not startingive got the battery on charge,but i think its fxxxed,but feel they should replace the battery as van only 22 months old,if it fails again after charging i will know the battery is done,then i can go to war with the dealer
Ford won't replace your battery....you ll just have to suck it up and buy a new one mate....
The warranty will not cover consumables(it'll be in the small print somewhere)only major mechanical failure
The battery is covered for 3 years under the manufacturers warranty.
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They will refer you to the dealer if the vehicle is under warranty and ford won’t change it
Its covered under the Ford manufacturers warranty. Has to show up as faulty before they will change it tho.
Exactly and it doesn’t show up so they won’t do anything about it it’s all wrong .
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
I was talking to a mechanic the other day and he said it’s highly likely that any vehicle with stop Start will have to have it working for the mot they are looking at adding it to the mot just like you aren't allowed to have any lights on the dash that’s a fail and he said stop start will be the same
Mine sailed through the MOT a few weeks ago...its never worked for years! ;D
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Never use stop/start even on wife's new car, disabled it straight away.
I always get the best battery I can, got fed up of buying cheapos that last 2 minutes.
It’s not come in yet but is something that they are talking about adding to the mot , it’s only fairly recently that lights on the dash board would fail mot .
I was talking to a mechanic the other day and he said it’s highly likely that any vehicle with stop Start will have to have it working for the mot they are looking at adding it to the mot just like you aren't allowed to have any lights on the dash that’s a fail and he said stop start will be the same
Mine sailed through the MOT a few weeks ago...its never worked for years! ;D
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Maybe I mis understand but the start stop only comes inwhen there is enough power in the battery - so with anger and loads of stops it would rarely be used ( going by my car it hasn’t start stopped for the last few weeks - lights heater etc but today warmer and a long journey it turned off at a set of lights )
Do you not think your drawing too much power off the system?
Darran
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Your battery voltage is below needed level. 200mv difference and it won’t work correctly. There are number of situations where s/s won’t work at all which result in higher demand on battery and system. You will find that under 8C most modern vehicles will suffer from it. On new van less than 3 months old despite longer distances traveled ss does not kick in at all - flashing icon on dash which is normal. If you have air conditioning on it will not let ss to kick in at all.
At the moment only mot failures are for following instances
Electronic stability control
Seatbelts
Anti-lock braking systems
Tyre pressure monitoring sensor
Engine light
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Maybe I mis understand but the start stop only comes inwhen there is enough power in the battery - so with anger and loads of stops it would rarely be used ( going by my car it hasn’t start stopped for the last few weeks - lights heater etc but today warmer and a long journey it turned off at a set of lights )
Do you not think your drawing too much power off the system?
Darran
I think that's exactly what's happening,so I'm thinking either the alternator isn't charging the battery quick enough to replace the power used or the battery's not holding the charge but the garage have tested both and advised they are yest I've had it on charge for 24 hours to get it fully charged (only a 4 amp charger),I just find it amazing how bad modern technology is,my cortina neve had this sort of problem
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Maybe I mis understand but the start stop only comes inwhen there is enough power in the battery - so with anger and loads of stops it would rarely be used ( going by my car it hasn’t start stopped for the last few weeks - lights heater etc but today warmer and a long journey it turned off at a set of lights )
Do you not think your drawing too much power off the system?
Darran
I think that's exactly what's happening,so I'm thinking either the alternator isn't charging the battery quick enough to replace the power used or the battery's not holding the charge but the garage have tested both and advised they are yest I've had it on charge for 24 hours to get it fully charged (only a 4 amp charger),I just find it amazing how bad modern technology is,my cortina neve had this sort of problem
If your battery is anything like mine it will be back to being useless within a day.
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Maybe I mis understand but the start stop only comes inwhen there is enough power in the battery - so with anger and loads of stops it would rarely be used ( going by my car it hasn’t start stopped for the last few weeks - lights heater etc but today warmer and a long journey it turned off at a set of lights )
Do you not think your drawing too much power off the system?
Darran
I think that's exactly what's happening,so I'm thinking either the alternator isn't charging the battery quick enough to replace the power used or the battery's not holding the charge but the garage have tested both and advised they are yest I've had it on charge for 24 hours to get it fully charged (only a 4 amp charger),I just find it amazing how bad modern technology is,my cortina neve had this sort of problem
Maybe your charging system for wfp is the culprit here mate?....I've never had a single problem with my Ford battery and my van is over 5 years old now...I have a battery to battery smart charger fitted when I had my hot diesel heater installed and it always puts my van battery first...