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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jay Le Huray on May 23, 2021, 10:22:43 am
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Having just read the other thread about trigger finger I thought I might post this
a couple of weeks ago I started to get awful pains in my right arm starting at the elbow joint and going right down my forearm.
Believe it or not I managed to get a doctors appointment and have been diagnosed with tennis elbow, the doc gave me some Phorpain gel and ibuprofen tablets,
he said if it does not get any better within the next few weeks he may try a pain killer injection.
it goes without saying that this is due to repetitive wfp poling
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Having just read the other thread about trigger finger I thought I might post this
a couple of weeks ago I started to get awful pains in my right arm starting at the elbow joint and going right down my forearm.
Believe it or not I managed to get a doctors appointment and have been diagnosed with tennis elbow, the doc gave me some Phorpain gel and ibuprofen tablets,
he said if it does not get any better within the next few weeks he may try a pain killer injection.
it goes without saying that this is due to repetitive wfp poling
I'm convinced that part of the problem with WFP is having to grip the pole without allowing it to slip.
We use heatshrink on the poles. Gripper than the original surface
We wear gloves (Showa 377) that increase grip.
I have, in the past, used cricket bat handle rubbers on the pole. This may be the best solution.
I'm testing a handle that allows me to use the pole without gripping it (fingers slip into the gap and support the pole).
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1621762916_20210523_103837a.jpg)
Vin
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Had tennis elbow for over 30 years but never had an injection ,to be honest I have been told about these injection s n no thanks I have an high pain threshold but sorry draw the line at the injection 😊😊😊
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I have this in both arms, for maybe 12years or so. Was previously a memorial mason. Lots of lump hammer action!
Mine never healed. Look on Amazon or somewhere and buy a strap that tightens over your forearm. It’ll stop you tensing and help hugely.
At my worst, lifting a cup of coffee was agony.
I can’t go bowling because of the strain on the muscle. Don’t let it get as bad as that.
Also there is ultrasound treatment that’s supposed to help, didn’t work for me.
Good luck.
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Does Andy Murray also have a tennis elbow?
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Going by what others have said an electric reel may help.
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I had ultrasound with a physio for about 8 weeks once a week.
And one of these:
http://orthopaedics.org.uk/product/thamert-epi-med-plus-tennis-elbow-splint/#:~:text=Thamert%20Epi-Med%20Plus%20The%20Thamert%20Epi-Med%20Plus%2C%20which,to%20the%20bone%2C%20which%20helps%20to%20alleviate%20strain.
I think it was prescribed so only paid prescription fee.
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I did get tennis elbow from playing tennis and had to take about a year off from tennis. Luckily it was not much aggravated by wfp.
There are various exercises you can do. The one that seemed to help most was a wrist rotation exercise (Sadguru yoga on youtube).
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The wrist inner forearm and elbow all flex when you WFP if you over grip it tightens the tendons inside the forearm and this causes the pain,when tight it causes the Ulnar nerve to become inflamed.
When you’ve had this problem for as long as I did you soon learn to clean with your fingertips using the lightest pole possible.
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Alex gardiner designed the control bars for the big boy poles, maybe he needs to come up with something similar for all pole sizes
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Learn how to self massage the tendon between elbow and wrist or better still find a professional to do it for you
It won't last forever get the tendon worked on and it'll heal up itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8KLKhu3XFA
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I think those handles for the larger poles are for more control over the pole rather than trying to reduce injury,when you have golfers-tennis elbow bad even just resting it on the side of a couch or laying in bed with it over a pillow starts it off.
If you are at the point that you are getting shooting pains down the arm almost like an electric shock you need to start the massage and exercises immediately,that’s a sign the tendons are so tight you could play a tune on them.
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ultimate-Tennis-Elbow-Golfers-Solution/dp/B06XXKLP1Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=dr+arthritis+tennis+elbow&qid=1621774204&sr=8-7
I bought this defo helps but cheaper than other posted, but you need physio also, just finished mine 4 sessions and cleared up together with exercises, if you don't do anything like I did for a month or two you will be in pain for quite a while
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I like the idea of that handle. I will throw out an idea:
Why not design a handle that incorporates a pole butt cover that can be fitted to the bottom of the pole so it takes the weight of the pole and can be secured tightly enough to the pole wall to prevent slipping without crushing or damaging the pole wall that it is secured to.
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Nwh is spot on in what he says re gripping too tight and using lightest poles and brushes, I tried telling this to someone the other week using a 35 clx for everyday work, of course he didn't listen
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I’ve had tennis elbow recently diagnosed by a physio. As said it’s the tendons on the outside of the forearm between the elbow & wrist. They all connect on the one spot. My employee obviously works slightly different to me as he has golfers elbow which is pain on the inside of his elbow.
I’ve had physio & been told to massage it as said by simon w above.
I’ve worked out how I’ve strained mine though. I was extending the 1st two sections of my 25 SLX out pretty much horizontally & then swinging it up for the next extension. This combined with the momentum of swinging it towards the window & then back away was putting all that strain through my forearm. I now extend the pole vertically & lower towards the window with my left bicep . I find this a slower way if working but has definitely taken the strain off my right forearm. Combined with the massage & working left left handed (which i find as awkward as writing left handed) it has definitely improved. I’m no longer getting the pain as bad. I’m sure if i continue this way it will clear up totally in a few weeks.
I’ve never had a problem with my fixed manual reel although saying that I probably will buy an electric eventually.
Can’t justify an extreme pole & i still prefer using superlites. I’m 100% sure it was my technique causing the tennis elbow as I had only started swinging the pole up 6 months or so ago. Not sure why. Just seemed quicker.
Hope that all makes sense & helps anyone else.
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I like the concept of extreme poles but the problem with making them lighter is they are the same as the original versions just made lighter by making them thinner, hence why they are easier to break as they have weaker points.
The higher carbon poles with more rigidity is what makes the difference as it doesn't allow as much flex in a pole, that's what makes more difference than the weight saving by compromising the poles strength.
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I've also worked out your problem Simon skx 25 and supalight brushes, extreme both would be a massive difference
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Slx pole that is
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The poles and brushes are a must but even when using these it won’t stop you getting this problem if you over grip using a snooker cue it’s the repetitive movement,the light poles and brushes allow you to work holding the pole basically with your fingertips.
Once this starts in you’re arm you need to treat it or it will come and go for months-years,all you need to do to prevent it is to keep the muscles in the forearm loose once they go tight they restrict the tendons.
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The tricep connects to the elbow and then to the wrist keeping the tricep massaged and loose is also a good idea.
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I like the idea of that handle. I will throw out an idea:
Why not design a handle that incorporates a pole butt cover that can be fitted to the bottom of the pole so it takes the weight of the pole and can be secured tightly enough to the pole wall to prevent slipping without crushing or damaging the pole wall that it is secured to.
I 3d printed the handle so if you'd like to draw what you're looking for and email it to me I'll run one up. Always keen for better ideas so I'll try it.
Send it to me at the email below and I'll rattle one off.
Vin
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When I had this problem I thought about a handle like the one of the Gardiner for their longer poles,if you use a handle which means you are changing the angle all you do is move the tension onto another muscle or joint on the upper body.
The key I found was to keep the upper body’s muscles loose through massage,Thai massage is good for an hour skip the first 50 minutes though 😂🤣🤣🤣
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In all seriousness it's not a muscle taking the strain. It's the tendons where they all join.
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In all seriousness it's not a muscle taking the strain. It's the tendons where they all join.
The tendons are joined by muscle that’s what holds it all together
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I don’t know exactly but the physio said to me that the pain of tennis elbow, which i have, is where all the tendons join on the one spot. The change in technique is working for me 8)
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I like the idea of that handle. I will throw out an idea:
Why not design a handle that incorporates a pole butt cover that can be fitted to the bottom of the pole so it takes the weight of the pole and can be secured tightly enough to the pole wall to prevent slipping without crushing or damaging the pole wall that it is secured to.
I 3d printed the handle so if you'd like to draw what you're looking for and email it to me I'll run one up. Always keen for better ideas so I'll try it.
Send it to me at the email below and I'll rattle one off.
Vin
If a pole handle is fitted to a pole one problem is that if it isn't tight enough it will slip, (which using at height could be dangerous), secondly over tightening the clamp on the pole will eventually damage the pole on our normal, thin walled domestic poles which are at best 2-3mm thickness.
The answer would be to have a pole handle which incorporates a butt ring as part of the handle so that it can be fitted over the base of the pole. Fitting it over the base of the pole, the handle would be fully supporting the entire weight of the pole so the purpose of the clamp handle would only need to be tight enough to prevent the pole handle from slipping around the pole circumference and not needing to support the weight of the pole as well on the clamp itself.
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It’s tight tendons if you think it’s muscle you are wrong and will never target the area that’s effected,you need an experienced practitioner some of them haven’t got a clue how to get rid of it they just say hot and cold which is only a fraction of the cure for it.
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Did this about 8 years ago
Here we have made it so the attachment can now swivel around the pole and move up/down while using your pole.
Gives great power transfer while have complete control of the of your pole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C-PtPxNLF0
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It’s tight tendons if you think it’s muscle you are wrong and will never target the area that’s effected,you need an experienced practitioner some of them haven’t got a clue how to get rid of it they just say hot and cold which is only a fraction of the cure for it.
I said tendons. That’s what my physio said. I like to think he knows his job as I do mine. ;)
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IMO you need EVERYTHING to keep yourself in good shape for this job if you plan on doing it for a long time to come...
1.xtreme poles and brushes
2.electric fixed reel
3.some form of resistance/strength training a few times a week
4.stretching and exercises for your hands/arms
5.short working days(5 or 6 hours a day)
6.keep add on jobs and high level work over 30ft to a minimum
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Had tennis elbow years ago. Started taking cod liver oil with glucosamine for a couple of months. Never ever had it back since. Hope that helps.
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Joint vitamins it’s a tendon strain.
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Well yesterday I went to the doctors and had the injection in my elbow, after a few hours I was still getting a bit of pain but today (Thursday) absolutely no pain what-so-ever.
The good news is that tomorrow I'm off on holiday for 1 week so I will really be able to rest it and hopefully now pain free when I return to work.
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In some cases that does the trick and it goes for good but not always,just pray it doesn’t come back the injections can cause a build up of crystals then surgery is the solution and you don’t really want that they move the ulnar nerve as its rubbing on bone causing the pain and inflammation.
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In some cases that does the trick and it goes for good but not always,just pray it doesn’t come back the injections can cause a build up of crystals then surgery is the solution and you don’t really want that they move the ulnar nerve as its rubbing on bone causing the pain and inflammation.
lets just hope so
eh
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Tennis elbow can be painful, golfers elbow is even worse
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I had tennis elbow about 18 months ago. It was that bad that I had to use two hands to put my van in reverse gear, it's got one of those sliders on the gear stick. I managed to get a cortisone injection and so far it's been fine since.
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Yeah I had golfers on the inside of the elbow and it’s harder to deal with you can’t put your arm anywhere without setting it off,once it flares up if you don’t treat it with stretching it’ll get worse.
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Good morning All. Interesting to watch, proper pole grip may help us with elbow pain.
https://youtu.be/UNCwdFxPtE8?t=5859
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just out of interest I had the injection back in June and I've had no pain since
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just out of interest I had the injection back in June and I've had no pain since
I had tennis elbow that bad I had to use two hands to put my van in reverse gear. I also had an injection and so far no pain since a couple of years on.
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That’s good bungle I know people that haven’t had much luck with it,they say with Tennis elbow-golfers elbow the result is only as good as the person administering the injection.