Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: chris turner on March 25, 2021, 02:11:06 pm
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Water was about 45c at the brush, window was a side window above a flat roof.
It didn't crack whilst I was cleaning it, literally I'd walked away, put one foot 0n the ladder and heard a massive pop!
Customer was cool about it, just waiting for a glazier to get back to me with a price, still a shock though. Only been using hot for around 6 weeks and didn't think I'd get water hot enough with an immersion to crack panes!
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I thought 45c was cold compared to NWH and dazmonds standards!
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
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Maybe the window was already stressed from a warped frame or some such, or maybe it had a micro crack in it, and 45 degree water was just enough to finish it off. It doesn't take much to break a window once it is weakened.
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
Not too bad, I was £130 for a similar one.
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Maybe the window was already stressed from a warped frame or some such, or maybe it had a micro crack in it, and 45 degree water was just enough to finish it off. It doesn't take much to break a window once it is weakened.
The way it popped some 10 secs after I'd finished cleaning it suggests to me it was packed too tightly in the frame and couldn't expand so cracked with pressure.
Iv cleaned thousands of windows since having the system installed and that's the first one to pop. Guess it was bound to happen sooner or later.
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Yeah I one similar last year 130 notes she was fine long-standing customer,remember it’s all about the glass itself if it has any defects in it pop she’ll go.
That’s why you can go for months without a problem but once you come across glass even with a hairline crack it will go from corner to corner,mines on minimum still as I have the hottest system in the country 🤣🤣🤣 mind you I lose 60 degrees on the ground this time of year eh Daz 💩
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
Supply or supply and fit?
Supply and fit price okay.
Supply only shop around.
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
Supply or supply and fit?
Supply and fit price okay.
Supply only shop around.
Surely to baby jeebus it's supply and fit!
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
Supply or supply and fit?
Supply and fit price okay.
Supply only shop around.
Supply and fit. Rang a few companies and prices were all from £140 to £190. The white georgian bars in the unit make it slightly more expensive then a standard unit.
All were a bit shocked that the window cracked with 45c water on a fairly mild day. The general consensus was that it was poorly fitted.
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
Supply or supply and fit?
Supply and fit price okay.
Supply only shop around.
Surely to baby jeebus it's supply and fit!
Too much simspons? You need to get out more, maybe visit a gime when they reopen.
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45 degrees is easily hot enough if the glass has a crack in it the pane I cracked was a UPVC unit I’d cleaned these windows a couple of times before and hadn’t noticed any defects from the inside,that’s the thing on cheap windows the finishing is awful from the factory but you won’t see it as it’s hidden behind the beading that clips over the edge of the glass.
This finishing I’m talking about is when the 2 panes of glass are sealed together with a rubber product at the factory,last year I did one like on this thread and a top opener both windows were a cheap product I can’t remember cracking glass in top of the range windows,the only other obvious ones that will go easily are single glazed windows that are fitted tight with no flex due to putty or tacks.
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I'm sorry but at £140 they're having your pants down.
That glass is about £40-£60 supply.
I had to replace a thermal bi fold piece of glass and it was £220 fitted!
Windows that size we pay around £60 - £100 fitted (max) Most are around £60-£75 fitted.
In the last 5 years we've replaced about 6 windows all down to goodwill.
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Just had a quote of £144 to change the glass, does that seem reasonable or shall I shop around??
Supply or supply and fit?
Supply and fit price okay.
Supply only shop around.
Supply and fit. Rang a few companies and prices were all from £140 to £190. The white georgian bars in the unit make it slightly more expensive then a standard unit.
All were a bit shocked that the window cracked with 45c water on a fairly mild day. The general consensus was that it was poorly fitted.
It was defo poorly fitted.....it had no room to expand thats why its cracked like that....
I've cracked 3 panes now but not had to pay for new glass as all 3 had a slight crack in them anyway...the hot water just made them go right across the glass and the customers were fine about them....
I am wary though now...if the glass has even the slightest crack in it I wont clean them with my hot water....
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You lads aren’t selling hot water very well!
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45 degrees ain't hot. reckon the glass was packed too tight on a normal spring day shouldn't happen
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I'm sorry but at £140 they're having your pants down.
That glass is about £40-£60 supply.
I had to replace a thermal bi fold piece of glass and it was £220 fitted!
Windows that size we pay around £60 - £100 fitted (max) Most are around £60-£75 fitted.
In the last 5 years we've replaced about 6 windows all down to goodwill.
I thought it was expensive but 5 different quotes all £140 plus. I sent them all a pic of the crack and they all said its a bit more expensive because of the internal Georgian bars.
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To supply and fit I paid 130 very similar size to this.
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Maybe the window was already stressed from a warped frame or some such, or maybe it had a micro crack in it, and 45 degree water was just enough to finish it off. It doesn't take much to break a window once it is weakened.
That’s not normal heat crack That’s been packed to tight a normal heat crack is usually just one crack , we use water 60-70 degrees in very low temperatures and have only ever cracked 3 pains , one was packed to tight and the other 2 had existing chips under the glassing strip that was only apparent when the glass was replaced . That price sounds very expensive to me I paid around £65 for a similar size pain . I doubt the water temperature you were using was the cause , it would have gone bang one day just unlucky you had just cleaned it .
The way it popped some 10 secs after I'd finished cleaning it suggests to me it was packed too tightly in the frame and couldn't expand so cracked with pressure.
Iv cleaned thousands of windows since having the system installed and that's the first one to pop. Guess it was bound to happen sooner or later.
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Just to be controversial - How many of you are window fitters ?
suddenly you all KNOW the glass was packed to tight.....
You chaps really hate it when people assume or know you scratched the glass or broke a pot !!
You'd only know that when taking out and having a look...
Darran
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It’s the price you pay to clean glass properly 🤣🤣🤣
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So let me get this straight.
You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.
You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .
So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 8)
When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.
Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.
I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.
;D
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So let me get this straight.
You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.
You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .
So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 8)
When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.
Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.
I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.
;D
;)
Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....
Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍
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So let me get this straight.
You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.
You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .
So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 8)
When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.
Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.
I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.
;D
;)
Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....
Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍
I’ve used both mate, almost no discernible difference to my day for 9 months of the year. Rather spend my money on hobbies than a diesel hot water heater.
It really is each to their own bud 👍🏼
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The thing is you go round with cold water in the ignorance that it does just as good a job as hot does,let me tell you if you use cold water on dirty windows it won’t do as good a job.
This has been talked to death by me and a few others with hot water,I do a fair few insides and when I used to use cold water due to my other heater playing up with battery issues you would miss bits galore,wooden bars stay green with cold water as does other stains on frames etc.
Don’t get confused into thinking it does as good a job as hot, some people just want a window cleaner just because the phones not ringing with complaints some people don’t care I’ve taken loads off cold cleaners and some are like a first clean especially on the frames and sills
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A cold system is what we used to call a scrim and hot water is what took over from scrim,we call it a squeegee lol.
Good luck with those wafer thin lines you can’t get clean on PVC windows you just can’t remove with cold water and chemicals I’ve tried many times. 🤣🤣🤣👌
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I'm sorry but at £140 they're having your pants down.
That glass is about £40-£60 supply.
I had to replace a thermal bi fold piece of glass and it was £220 fitted!
Windows that size we pay around £60 - £100 fitted (max) Most are around £60-£75 fitted.
In the last 5 years we've replaced about 6 windows all down to goodwill.
You're obviously a regular customer. Better deal. ;D
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Windows aren't designed to allow for expansion by hot water.
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Nor the sun and cold eh look at a PVC unit out of the frame it has flexible sealer that bonds the 2 pieces of glass together,it does flex.
The problem is if you get a badly made piece of glass,the smallest crack can make a window pop but the way you get round it when using hot water is to keep the brush moving, if you hold it in one spot for too long you’ve a far greater chance of cracking glass.
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The thing is you go round with cold water in the ignorance that it does just as good a job as hot does,let me tell you if you use cold water on dirty windows it won’t do as good a job.
This has been talked to death by me and a few others with hot water,I do a fair few insides and when I used to use cold water due to my other heater playing up with battery issues you would miss bits galore,wooden bars stay green with cold water as does other stains on frames etc.
Don’t get confused into thinking it does as good a job as hot, some people just want a window cleaner just because the phones not ringing with complaints some people don’t care I’ve taken loads off cold cleaners and some are like a first clean especially on the frames and sills
I’ve used both. No discernible difference.
Pure water is pure water mate, it could be 1c or 50c, it makes absolutely no difference as long as the water you’re leaving on the glass is pure.
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The thing is you go round with cold water in the ignorance that it does just as good a job as hot does,let me tell you if you use cold water on dirty windows it won’t do as good a job.
This has been talked to death by me and a few others with hot water,I do a fair few insides and when I used to use cold water due to my other heater playing up with battery issues you would miss bits galore,wooden bars stay green with cold water as does other stains on frames etc.
Don’t get confused into thinking it does as good a job as hot, some people just want a window cleaner just because the phones not ringing with complaints some people don’t care I’ve taken loads off cold cleaners and some are like a first clean especially on the frames and sills
I’ve used both. No discernible difference.
Pure water is pure water mate, it could be 1c or 50c, it makes absolutely no difference as long as the water you’re leaving on the glass is pure.
true however.....As I live in a soft water area , I am DI only, so I fill my tank with hot water .
obviously this is not as hot as the hot water systems .......and for the most part its just very warm water.
what i really like is the hose being nice and soft...
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It’s the way it dissolves the dirt m8 I did a first clean today spiders webs above the frames and in the corners of the glass gone,I got the job off another cold cleaner the bloke saw me and said is that hot water I said no I’ve just lit the brush that’s all lol.
If you used ubik with every job you did cold it’ll come up something like it does when you use hot 👍
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I've used both, diesel heater and cold and warm. Cleaned enough windows to know hot makes a difference in removing the stubborn dirt easier.
A good brush can also save time scrubbing difficult windows. A flocked brush will always remove stubborn dirt easier than a non flocked, same as a compact brush will remove stubborn marks if the bristles are at the right angle to the glass rather than a less densely bunch of bristles laying flat against the glass.
On normal maintenance cleans there isn't much noticeable difference but there is with windows heavily soiled.
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I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off
Darran
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🤣🤣 a birds arse
Many thanks much love
Nigel lol.
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Just to be controversial - How many of you are window fitters ?
suddenly you all KNOW the glass was packed to tight.....
You chaps really hate it when people assume or know you scratched the glass or broke a pot !!
You'd only know that when taking out and having a look...
Darran
I have a friend who a window fitter he replaced the 3 that we broke and he said that one was packed to tight and the other 2 had damage under the glazing strip small chips and it had cracked from them . I always try any use people I know as they will give you an honest appraisal of what’s needed and a fair price
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I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off
Darran
This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.
dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.
Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.
It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.
Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .
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So let me get this straight.
You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.
You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .
So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 8)
When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.
Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.
I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.
;D
;)
Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....
Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍
How does it make any difference i.e. not having to wear thick gloves?
How does hot water in a 8mm hose inside a pole that's about 50 - 60mm diameter warm your hands?
It's impossible especially if it's cold enough to need thick gloves.
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I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off
Darran
This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.
dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.
Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.
It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.
Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .
When windows and frames are cleaned with hot water the end result is night and day up close,you will never get certain parts of the frames cleaned with cold water unless you use chemicals and take 2-3 times as long on it.
Nothing like cleaning with cold water if you want to leave a lovely outline of where the bird crap once was. 👌
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So let me get this straight.
You lads have some warm water, which only really benefits you a few months a year.
You inevitable crack windows with it which costs you £100 plus per time .
So it actually costs you more than it earns you. 8)
When I used hot, it never actually got me more work done, ever.
Let’s face it most window cleaners are home by 3pm or in my case even earlier with or without hot. It’s not like we need hot water to get things done quicker.
I will grant you it’s much nicer to use hot in the cold cold winter. But that’s about it really.
;D
;)
Ironically hot water is more beneficial in the warmer months for cleaning power...in winter it's just much nicer to work with and no need for thick gloves....
Stick with cold then...rather you than me ...🙂👍
How does it make any difference i.e. not having to wear thick gloves?
How does hot water in a 8mm hose inside a pole that's about 50 - 60mm diameter warm your hands?
It's impossible especially if it's cold enough to need thick gloves.
i just wear nitrile gloves in winter now mate even on the coldest days as the hose im dragging around is warm so keeps my hands warm,it also warms the pole slightly too :)....wearing thicker gloves is always a pain when putting payment slips through customers doors or fumbling around when a customers paying me in cash..luckily i dont have to wear them anymore....
also the flow to my brush is much better on a cold day in winter with hot water
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I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off
Darran
This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.
dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.
Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.
It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.
Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .
When windows and frames are cleaned with hot water the end result is night and day up close,you will never get certain parts of the frames cleaned with cold water unless you use chemicals and take 2-3 times as long on it.
Nothing like cleaning with cold water if you want to leave a lovely outline of where the bird crap once was. 👌
Nigel, this must be the reason I have no customers, it’s because the frames are cleaned with cold water; therefore customers are looking at the frames with their very own high powered magnifying glasses.
They are seeing these microscopic discrepancies and cancelling me.
Thanks for the heads up.
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No problem 👍
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I think there is some confusion between "Dirt" which Hot - boiling or otherwise has no effect on and "Bird strike" which at the time of deposit was warm and soft - therefore any water nearing a temperature of a birds ar$e will soften the deposit and help it come off
Darran
This is something people fail to understand, hot water is beneficial on fats, grease, food etc, but has a much smaller effect on dirt.
dirt by nature (tiny bits of rock, grit) is cleaned best with agitation or pressure.
Hence the fact if you run cold water down a
window pane, then do the same with hot, the difference will be minimal.
It’s the brush and the combination of water that does the cleaning. Granted, hot does make a difference, but it’s minor for window cleaning.
Which is why I went back to cold, and haven’t ever felt the need to invest in a diesel heater. Saying that, I was interested in Rich’s, mainly as it was so small and compact, and ridiculously cheap .
When windows and frames are cleaned with hot water the end result is night and day up close,you will never get certain parts of the frames cleaned with cold water unless you use chemicals and take 2-3 times as long on it.
Nothing like cleaning with cold water if you want to leave a lovely outline of where the bird crap once was. 👌
Nigel, this must be the reason I have no customers, it’s because the frames are cleaned with cold water; therefore customers are looking at the frames with their very own high powered magnifying glasses.
They are seeing these microscopic discrepancies and cancelling me.
Thanks for the heads up.
::)roll
I feel very lucky, against all the odds, I've established a round full of customers who don't inspect the windows with microscopes but do mind having their windows broken. Managed to save myself 10 grand there... Phew...
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You can get fooled into thinking every job you do is bang on hot gives me the confidence so I can work quickly and efficiently,cold doesn’t do that for me.
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"Complete rubbish,water is water when it comes to removing milky white substance from window frames.Using hot water will make no difference at all,if there oxidizing there oxidizing and hot water won`t remove it any better or quicker,take a reading of the temperature of the water at the brush head."
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You can get fooled into thinking every job you do is bang on hot gives me the confidence so I can work quickly and efficiently,cold doesn’t do that for me.
That statement says so much more about your own vulnerabilities than it does the merits of spending 10k on a hot water system.
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I’m not vulnerable don’t worry I give the best possible clean I can so I use hot water.
With thanks much love and care Nigel Xxx
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I'm sorry but at £140 they're having your pants down.
That glass is about £40-£60 supply.
I had to replace a thermal bi fold piece of glass and it was £220 fitted!
Windows that size we pay around £60 - £100 fitted (max) Most are around £60-£75 fitted.
In the last 5 years we've replaced about 6 windows all down to goodwill.
You're obviously a regular customer. Better deal. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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You can get fooled into thinking every job you do is bang on hot gives me the confidence so I can work quickly and efficiently,cold doesn’t do that for me.
I do feel for you guys mate, lack of confidence in the wfp method is the reason why many trad guys took such a long time to convert and why many still haven't, luckily a lot of us were able to build our confidence before hot, snake oils and PPB systems came along.
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Professional Hot systems cost less than £5k....where have you guys got £10k from?
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Professional Hot systems cost less than £5k....where have you guys got £10k from?
Yes but if you want to get the glass twice as clean you need two.😁
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Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FKLHUI0FI
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Don’t refer to that clip with Squeaky clean Dave it’s not a real world test he is pouring water on glass not in there units or glass that is sealed tight in a window frame,it would have been better if he’d got a piece of glass or a sealed unit that had a small crack in it and then compared the 2.
Glass won’t crack if can flex slightly in a frame or is in unmarked condition,I crack windows once in a blue moon and if you are selective and know what you are doing which windows you can clean with very hot water you’ll have no problem as for confidence and time spent cleaning you won’t get anyone clean windows quicker than me,I am on the glass full flow for a minimal amount of time 8-10 seconds a window in some cases with hot an hour with cold 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Cold cleaners have wydale tanks hybrid poles and Dunlop trainers the pikeys they are 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Don’t refer to that clip with Squeaky clean Dave it’s not a real world test he is pouring water on glass not in there units or glass that is sealed tight in a window frame,it would have been better if he’d got a piece of glass or a sealed unit that had a small crack in it and then compared the 2.
Glass won’t crack if can flex slightly in a frame or is in unmarked condition,I crack windows once in a blue moon and if you are selective and know what you are doing which windows you can clean with very hot water you’ll have no problem as for confidence and time spent cleaning you won’t get anyone clean windows quicker than me,I am on the glass full flow for a minimal amount of time 8-10 seconds a window in some cases with hot an hour with cold 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't be daft, a drinking glass doesn't need to be in a frame to crack, and 8 to 10 seconds a window says it all. 😁
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Put a little crack in a pint glass and pour 60 degree water into it and see for yourself
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Don’t refer to that clip with Squeaky clean Dave it’s not a real world test he is pouring water on glass not in there units or glass that is sealed tight in a window frame,it would have been better if he’d got a piece of glass or a sealed unit that had a small crack in it and then compared the 2.
So if I understand you correctly - if a unit is packed to tight or got a crack in it hot will make it worse - where as cold has no effect on damaging the window at all ? ;D
Darran
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Yeah cold won’t damage the window or the glass Darren but the only trouble is although it won’t damage it the glass won’t be as clean 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Many thanks and all my love Nigel.
Xxxxxxxx
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thats for that my lovely :-*
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I know you boys if you ain’t out using em a cheaper pole and cold water will do m8 lol,Extreme poles and these new jets 9 out of 10 broken by heavy handed couldn’t give a monkeys staff.
If I lacquered a pole I use everyday and tightened the clamps you wouldn’t know how old it was 👌.
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Nigel - you poor thing having to lacquer your pole to keep it stiff and tight...
Might be worth seeing a specialist for that one ...
Keep it safe . My lovely
Darran
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Did I say if I lacquered it Darren or if I do I can’t recall but I do know 1 thing m8 cash at bank is king lol,that’s what my Mrs says anyway 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Oh before I go,
I love you 😍
Kindest regards Nigel
Xxxxxxx
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Cor blimey mate - you have to pay for it.? You poor soul - with your high class round and loving turn of phase I thought you'd have them queuing up at the back doors of your VW
How wrong I was
Well try to keep it up as best you can my lovely
Darran
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Did I say if I lacquered it Darren or if I do I can’t recall but I do know 1 thing m8 cash at bank is king lol,that’s what my Mrs says anyway 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wasted cash is no different to no cash at all, I think that's what your wife is getting at, it annoys you that others can achieve the same results without spending as much.
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Cash in the bank helps you sleep soundly all the employees in the world means nothing if they ain’t making you money,bit like KS’s new car great on the straight no good on the bends 🤣🤣🤣
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A bit like hot water you mean....
"I do agree with that there comes a point with WFP wether your hot or not that you come to the stage that your as quick as your going to be,hot water makes no difference "
Darran
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You can clean at the same speed I agree my sweet Darren but it won’t do the same job m8 go inside and have a butchers at the results South facing at about midday,people in the North need not worry as the sun knows better than to venture up that way 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Cash in the bank helps you sleep soundly all the employees in the world means nothing if they ain’t making you money,bit like KS’s new car great on the straight no good on the bends 🤣🤣🤣
You’re showing your ignorance again Nigel, RWD offers great handling on the bends.........as long as the roads dry😉
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You can clean at the same speed I agree my sweet Darren but it won’t do the same job m8 go inside and have a butchers at the results South facing at about midday,people in the North need not worry as the sun knows better than to venture up that way 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So you agree it cleans no quicker, that's a start, as for the rest of your silly babble if my customers ever start complaining about my clean quality I will keep what you said in mind.
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You can clean at the same speed I agree my sweet Darren but it won’t do the same job m8 go inside and have a butchers at the results South facing at about midday,people in the North need not worry as the sun knows better than to venture up that way 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nigel baby - your not agreeing with me that a quote from YOU - much hugs and kisses
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You can clean at the same speed obviously are you getting the same results as with hot,I doubt it unless you’re just cleaning those regular every 4 weeks-monthly council house jobs that just need a flash over and run coz there about 10-15 notes a pop.
5 Bags is nothing when you’ve got a rich wife picking up the tab 🤣🤣🤣
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l aways wonders what else insecure men needed to boost there ego, fast car and
p£nis extending hot water system
you do seem to lack self esteem my lovely
Darran
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I still get sent out everyday with a teet on my flask she’s trying to gradually ween me off it 🤣🤣🥛🥛🥛🥛
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I still get sent out everyday with a teet on my flask she’s trying to gradually ween me off it 🤣🤣🥛🥛🥛🥛
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