Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: WGB on January 27, 2021, 10:03:57 pm
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Have 2 vans full of work and the customers keep coming in every week! So its either start getting rid of a few or franchise, as dont want the hassle of another van and more employees, but not quite sure were to start with franchising, I know Ian Lancaster was selling a package a few years back but not sure if he still is. Anyond else on here that has went down franchising route?
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I'd put a call out for vin
he has done it and will give you honest and unbiased advice
Darran
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Go for it.
Thats what im in the process of setting up myself. :D
Tried employing a few times and i just cant live like that long term, stress will kill me....
Ive spoke to vin and a couple of other franchisors.
Im getting a franchise agreement drawn up at the moment and its not cheap, there are ones you can buy such as ian lancasters but im told they need bringing up to date ? i dont know because ive not seen them but either way its a starting point and i believe he is still selling them, at least he was a few months ago when i enquired.......Also getting a new wesbite built. Ive had a couple of bites from interested people but one was other end of the country unfortunately and the other couldnt afford it.
Its probably going to take a while to find someone and its more of a long game than employing but people are out there doing it so its possible.
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Stoots what sort of money are you talking about? I rang a local solicitor the other day and she is £175 ph and will take 3-4hours to draw it up, but then seen on another form 4-5k. Unless there is other hidden costs? ???
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Could you give a bit of an idea how the franchise works please
Do you give them a certain amount of work to start off with?
Do they have targets of new work to be brought in etc?
Do they pay you a monthly fee and any new work is theirs or do you get a cut of new work also ?
Sounds interesting if it gets you away from the hassle of employees
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You have less control the only thing you have is a legal contract saying it’s you’re work but can you imagine trying to take someone to court if they convince customers to switch over to them in some way or another,it’s a gamble imo anyone with an ounce of intelligence would soon want to be going it alone not to say it doesn’t work for some it obviously does but you don’t see this working on a National scale do you which to me says it all,very hard to police it legal contract or not imo you need to have some sort of control so you know how the business overall is running,to me it wouldn’t be about just getting my fee every month.
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Could you give a bit of an idea how the franchise works please
Do you give them a certain amount of work to start off with?
Do they have targets of new work to be brought in etc?
Do they pay you a monthly fee and any new work is theirs or do you get a cut of new work also ?
Sounds interesting if it gets you away from the hassle of employees
My understanding of it would be you would supply the work, support and knowledge of running the business, while the franchisee takes care of the day to day running of the business , like cleaning , debts, running their own van etc while paying you royalties every month.. in a nutshell
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Stoots what sort of money are you talking about? I rang a local solicitor the other day and she is £175 ph and will take 3-4hours to draw it up, but then seen on another form 4-5k. Unless there is other hidden costs? ???
About 2 grand and i think thats cheap tbh.
My accountant put me onto a solicitor who specialises in franchise contracts. Maybe i could have got it cheaper i dont know but given the ones you can buy are £1500 and i dont know how out of date i figured this to be worth the expense.
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You have less control the only thing you have is a legal contract saying it’s you’re work but can you imagine trying to take someone to court if they convince customers to switch over to them in some way or another,it’s a gamble imo anyone with an ounce of intelligence would soon want to be going it alone not to say it doesn’t work for some it obviously does but you don’t see this working on a National scale do you which to me says it all,very hard to police it legal contract or not imo you need to have some sort of control so you know how the business overall is running,to me it wouldn’t be about just getting my fee every month.
How it works is quite simple, if they try and take a customer they are in breach of the contract and you can terminate it.
There's a clause in there that says they then cant work in your area as a window cleaner for a number of years after the agreement ends.
You dont own customers any more than they do but you can enforce a no competition clause which essentially means they cant service them customers.
These contracts done properly are very thorough and that's exactly why you need a watertight agreement.
Of course there are pitfalls and drawbacks like anything in life but in order to grow you have to relinquish some control, you cant oversee everything unless you stay solo.
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What you are saying is correct but I think you’ll find in the real world it doesn’t work like that,you can’t rob a bank but people do it.
I’m not being negative it happens the single most important thing of window cleaning and franchising is the person that’s buying into it,look at the big multi National companies they sell you a franchise but they still have control they supply you with you’re Big Macs or your chicken burgers and without them you can’t survive,no ones going to go into one of the above and settle for anything other than what they sell off the bat.
They use your logos your name etc and you have a piece of paper that says the work belongs to that company,they convince customers to go over to them form a business through that work or from some of that work no try to imagine taking them to court paying the costs and having the major hassle.
If you employ you have full control over your business you know what’s happening day to day,it sounds easy you give them some work they pay you X a month you keep supplying work blah blah blah in an ideal world it’s a lovely idea an we would all be doing it,it takes a certain type of person to be a franchisee in this job and if they are the sort of person I think they’d be they won’t be doing it for long before they smell the coffee like I say how many do you see out and about doing it day to day.
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And as for contracts proper as you say or not it means nothing people break contracts like they break wind,you can’t tell a customer that they can’t take their business elsewhere you can cancel any direct debit cancel Sky go to Netflix etc there’s nothing stopping the franchisee saying to you’re customers cancel him and I’ll clean it from now on,he’s not out and about working the business seeing what’s happening it would be a nightmare trying to keep track of what’s going on a complete nightmare,control is the key unless you have a franchisee that is a sandwich short and has little ambition I can’t see it being all gravy,looks lovely on paper though.
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I could steal work quicker than Philip Green stole the pension pot if I was in that situation within a year it would be like taking candy from a baby 🍼 🤣🤣
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Stoots you say there’s a clause in the contract that says you can’t work in the area for X time 🤣🤣,m8 that’s a joke in itself like I say who’s policing that then I could go out tomorrow and work for my Mrs.
A builder goes to a job a customer pays him 25k to finish a job he’s started the money hits his account 4 days later he folds the business,a month later he’s working under his wife’s business name without a care in the world for that customer to put an order on him for a CCJ and return of funds is a ball ache from hell,you can trust me on that because I know the woman that’s 25k out of pocket the moral of the story is there was a contract involved also.
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Wtf NWH please just stop posting about things that you obviously have zero real knowledge of. You don’t have to be the expert on every single subject.
Maybe sit back and read the comments of the people who have knowledge is this area and you might actually learn something.
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Go for it.
Thats what im in the process of setting up myself. :D
Tried employing a few times and i just cant live like that long term, stress will kill me....
Ive spoke to vin and a couple of other franchisors.
Im getting a franchise agreement drawn up at the moment and its not cheap, there are ones you can buy such as ian lancasters but im told they need bringing up to date ? i dont know because ive not seen them but either way its a starting point and i believe he is still selling them, at least he was a few months ago when i enquired.......Also getting a new wesbite built. Ive had a couple of bites from interested people but one was other end of the country unfortunately and the other couldnt afford it.
Its probably going to take a while to find someone and its more of a long game than employing but people are out there doing it so its possible.
A situation a guy that has about 5 franchises near me described was more stressful than anything I've had to deal with as an employer. The lesson there was don't trust a friend and don't let a franchise agreement just roll on once the date's expired without signing a new agreement.
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Wtf NWH please just stop posting about things that you obviously have zero real knowledge of. You don’t have to be the expert on every single subject.
Maybe sit back and read the comments of the people who have knowledge is this area and you might actually learn something.
The funny thing is that people actually like the disinformation he posts. ;D
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Don’t keep looking at a window cleaning franchise model and comparing it to something that other people take more serious when they buy into it,people’s views on this job are still in the dark ages I could write a chapter on how to take the work off the owner in about 20 minutes 🤣,have all the contracts you like you can’t police a service industry like you can a Cafe Nero or BP petrol station totally different business models.
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Franchises can be any way you want it to be. There are so many options.
Go and read a book about it instead of asking window cleaners.
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Franchises can be any way you want it to be. There are so many options.
Go and read a book about it instead of asking window cleaners.
yea who would of thought asking window cleaners for advice on a window cleaning forum ::)roll
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My answer is based on the window cleaning model of course franchising works and it’s profitable for the franchisee depending on what business it is,the majority of businesses that do this have already a well known brand in some cases a world wide brand.
They supply the food-vehicle-clothing everything single thing you’ll need to promote their brand,take Costcutter for example I know someone that has 1 the till is linked to head office every time an item is sold it comes off that particular shops stock list and is automatically delivered as and when it gets so low that it won’t be on the shelf,it runs like a well oiled machine it’s tried tested.
The businesses sales can be tracked down to the last £,if there’s no cash involved in the window cleaning business with all payments being made online or any other method this still doesn’t mean you’ll continue to keep the work if the wrong person is servicing it.
I wouldn’t say a window cleaning franchise was comparable to most of the others you see operating,I would compare it to renting out work for a monthly fee nothing like a smoothly run franchise, legal paperwork saying you can’t steal my work or not I wouldn’t want to be starting legal proceedings against a franchisee in this job lol what a nightmare.
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Was speaking with another solicitor today and there is 2 different ways you can do it legally, first is a franchise agreement which has rules of operating which starts at £3500, which has a lot of finer details in it. Then the other is you can have someone trading under your license which is alot more basic but legal fees are only £500-£800. Not sure if anyone on here has went licensee way, but definitely a lot easier on the pocket
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Hi Wayne we no longer require you service we are going with another window cleaner from now on,how do you deal with that.
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My answer is based on the window cleaning model of course franchising works and it’s profitable for the franchisee depending on what business it is,the majority of businesses that do this have already a well known brand in some cases a world wide brand.
They supply the food-vehicle-clothing everything single thing you’ll need to promote their brand,take Costcutter for example I know someone that has 1 the till is linked to head office every time an item is sold it comes off that particular shops stock list and is automatically delivered as and when it gets so low that it won’t be on the shelf,it runs like a well oiled machine it’s tried tested.
The businesses sales can be tracked down to the last £,if there’s no cash involved in the window cleaning business with all payments being made online or any other method this still doesn’t mean you’ll continue to keep the work if the wrong person is servicing it.
I wouldn’t say a window cleaning franchise was comparable to most of the others you see operating,I would compare it to renting out work for a monthly fee nothing like a smoothly run franchise, legal paperwork saying you can’t steal my work or not I wouldn’t want to be starting legal proceedings against a franchisee in this job lol what a nightmare.
NWH can imagine it would be a nightmare if that did happen, but the way i look at it is if a franchisee is willing to make an investment of a few k at the start then i think this alone will attract a more decent sort of a person thats not going to try and pull a fast one at the first chance he gets, not like some of the nightmares ive had employing
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If they give you a few grand and they have to supply van system etc I’m sure to start off with it’ll be all plain sailing,the thing is with franchising you still have to have some sort of control over it these other businesses do.
You ain’t gonna be getting supplied with KFC products if you decide to setup a shop down your local high steeet unless it’s through them are you,it works because they’ve got all the alternatives boxed off the same cannot be said for window cleaning,it’s impossible to say to any customer you can’t use him to clean your windows he might not be able to take them on directly in his name but it can be done,how many franchises do you see in window cleaning hardly any because not many people are stupid enough to buy into it and if they do they soon think sod this I’ll go it alone,the same can be said for employees if they’ve half a brain they’ll go it alone unless you are lucky enough to have people that aren’t to ambitious but they are few and far between if they are any good.
Get the right employee-employees you’ll earn more out of them than you would out of franchising anyway,you’d also have more control.
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Was speaking with another solicitor today and there is 2 different ways you can do it legally, first is a franchise agreement which has rules of operating which starts at £3500, which has a lot of finer details in it. Then the other is you can have someone trading under your license which is alot more basic but legal fees are only £500-£800. Not sure if anyone on here has went licensee way, but definitely a lot easier on the pocket
You want a franchise agreement to do it properly.
Like i said they are not cheap :D
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Just looked at a company offering a franchise opportunity £15,500 for equipment and van deposit etc,assuring you that you’ll be earning over 60k after 2 years 🤣🤣🤣 well your honour I rest my case,case dismissed lol.
That is with no experience required I might add and you’ll have the opportunity to employ after that time,blimey they must be getting these people from the farm of funny.
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Was speaking with another solicitor today and there is 2 different ways you can do it legally, first is a franchise agreement which has rules of operating which starts at £3500, which has a lot of finer details in it. Then the other is you can have someone trading under your license which is alot more basic but legal fees are only £500-£800. Not sure if anyone on here has went licensee way, but definitely a lot easier on the pocket
You want a franchise agreement to do it properly.
Like i said they are not cheap :D
There’s the Ian Lancaster model ofcourse. I think that’s what Perfect Windows uses.
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Was speaking with another solicitor today and there is 2 different ways you can do it legally, first is a franchise agreement which has rules of operating which starts at £3500, which has a lot of finer details in it. Then the other is you can have someone trading under your license which is alot more basic but legal fees are only £500-£800. Not sure if anyone on here has went licensee way, but definitely a lot easier on the pocket
You want a franchise agreement to do it properly.
Like i said they are not cheap :D
There’s the Ian Lancaster model ofcourse. I think that’s what Perfect Windows uses.
was thinking of using his model, but a few have said its a bit dated and needs updating
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Was speaking with another solicitor today and there is 2 different ways you can do it legally, first is a franchise agreement which has rules of operating which starts at £3500, which has a lot of finer details in it. Then the other is you can have someone trading under your license which is alot more basic but legal fees are only £500-£800. Not sure if anyone on here has went licensee way, but definitely a lot easier on the pocket
You want a franchise agreement to do it properly.
Like i said they are not cheap :D
There’s the Ian Lancaster model ofcourse. I think that’s what Perfect Windows uses.
was thinking of using his model, but a few have said its a bit dated and needs updating
There’s a new one I’ve seen where you have to find your own customers as a franchisee. In that case I can’t see why you'd buy a franchise.
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8 weekly can't see that method being attractive to a potential franchisee though
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Most of them are like that they are paying you for the whole package training leaflets website vehicle in a lot of cases some are 1000s to pay into,that’s why you aren’t offering them a franchise you are offering them the opportunity to rent work from you.
You want the legal side of a franchise agreement without giving them a franchise package lol,if someone came along with no experience to me and I kept chucking work at them they’d be losing it quicker than I could give it,if you are not offering the help you should be as a franchise they might not be happy with you and want their money back “legally” so your paperwork might come in handy for them too.
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I franchised my business in 2016 and used the Ian Lancaster system and agreement. I had the agreement updated and cost around £1000 from memory. The old agreement has been tested in court and lets just say the agreement will stand up in court ;)
I don't want the hassle of employing or having a unit etc etc. There's me and 5 guys and its a nice little setup. I don't earn the same as employing but it enabled me to buy my first house and two guys who work under my brand their first house.
Money wasn't the bee all and end all for me, I had new work coming in daily and didn't know what to do with it.
I also saw it as a personal challenge, I wanted to prove to myself that i'm capable of taking someone and training them up to my sort of standard. The next process for me is to increase their earnings. I'm hoping for my first franchisee to hover around 75k turnover a year and then slowly work on everyone. He's not going to have to work harder for it which is the ONLY and main goal.
Personally i would say its harder than employing, I dabbled with it and messed up badly twice. However I have the greatest respect for any window cleaning firm that is A Vat registered and B employing. My next big hurdle is going Vat registered but have a really good plan in place for that. Also the likes of Lee Pryor massively helped me in the beginning and for people who say anyone could do what Lee has done, well, no comment :)
FYI - Because I purchased the package I got unlimited support from the franchise members of the Ian Lancaster system. Some of the information I've got from there is worth the £1500 i paid. ONE piece of advice from Vin will literally save me thousands upon thousands of pounds!
Once we're back to sort form of normality I will be visiting Vin and Ian and thanking them personally.
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It all works with the right staff involved in the business the key to all of it is about the people you can have the best plan in the world that would or could have worked but without those 2 things it’s destined to fail,having enough work financially and putting another van out has got to be the better option imo providing you can find the right person it would be more straight forward.
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It all works with the right staff involved in the business the key to all of it is about the people you can have the best plan in the world that would or could have worked but without those 2 things it’s destined to fail,having enough work financially and putting another van out has got to be the better option imo providing you can find the right person it would be more straight forward.
Mate, you’re replying to a guy that has 5 franchises, who has been helped by a guy that has around 12 vans out, bought a franchise agreement from a multi, multi franchise owner and has had help from another that has multiple franchises (and some of his franchises have also franchised I believe) in the Hampshire area...
I mean, do you genuinely believe you know how to run a multi van operation better than these chaps? Like really?
Because if I needed help or an opinion, I can promise you I’d be asking them over you...
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Does that mean it’s all running smoothly then “m8” I thought Debenhams was doing ok this time last year.
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It all works with the right staff involved in the business the key to all of it is about the people you can have the best plan in the world that would or could have worked but without those 2 things it’s destined to fail,having enough work financially and putting another van out has got to be the better option imo providing you can find the right person it would be more straight forward.
Mate, you’re replying to a guy that has 5 franchises, who has been helped by a guy that has around 12 vans out, bought a franchise agreement from a multi, multi franchise owner and has had help from another that has multiple franchises (and some of his franchises have also franchised I believe) in the Hampshire area...
I mean, do you genuinely believe you know how to run a multi van operation better than these chaps? Like really?
Because if I needed help or an opinion, I can promise you I’d be asking them over you...
Wrong........Nigel has a Transporter and Webasto with a plug in van port, this automatically make his opinions superior.
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So if these companies aren’t actually making a lot of money maybe x2 what they’d do on their own but they get to sit on their arse and not clean a window,probably have more hassle though.
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Everyone with good credit can accumulate massive debts it’s a juggling act if you are in that situation months might go by and you ain’t making diddly but turnover keeps the banks away because you are paying off the loans,if you have everything tied up in the business which a lot of people do you get nothing back until you sell up and even then almost always not as much as you’ve put in and that doesn’t include you’re time and stress.
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The tortoise always catches up with the Hare eventually. 👌
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It all works with the right staff involved in the business the key to all of it is about the people you can have the best plan in the world that would or could have worked but without those 2 things it’s destined to fail,having enough work financially and putting another van out has got to be the better option imo providing you can find the right person it would be more straight forward.
Mate, you’re replying to a guy that has 5 franchises, who has been helped by a guy that has around 12 vans out, bought a franchise agreement from a multi, multi franchise owner and has had help from another that has multiple franchises (and some of his franchises have also franchised I believe) in the Hampshire area...
I mean, do you genuinely believe you know how to run a multi van operation better than these chaps? Like really?
Because if I needed help or an opinion, I can promise you I’d be asking them over you...
He might have 5 franchisees out working and be making 10k a year from each of em,if he’s out earning 80-90k a year on his own what’s he ending up with at the end of the day then after Vat and 40% tax 2 grand a week ?? Tell me I don’t know.
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Embarrassing yourself even more than usual here Nigel.
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Please tell me I don’t know 2 bags a week.
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Nigel must suffer from some kind of OCD to continuously post a complete load of bo££ocks.
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Nigel is a hypocrite plain and simple. A few days ago he was as good as tickling Dave Morris’ sphincter, yet he tells anyone else who dares to run a successful multi van window cleaning business or franchise that they must clean houses for peanuts and employ monkeys and that they can’t possibly be making a decent profit. What’s more he can’t even decide if he himself employs or not, one minute he works alone, then he trips himself up and says there’s a couple of them, then he falls over himself and says there are three of them, all of this whilst staying under the VAT threshold despite an hourly rate of £100 per man.
I would take everything Nigel says with a pinch of salt as he talks some💩
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Have 2 vans full of work and the customers keep coming in every week! So its either start getting rid of a few or franchise, as dont want the hassle of another van and more employees, but not quite sure were to start with franchising, I know Ian Lancaster was selling a package a few years back but not sure if he still is. Anyond else on here that has went down franchising route?
A few points:
Ian Lancaster is still selling the franchising package. It's worth every penny. It's clear from dealing with Ian over the past few years that he's not doing this to become rich; he's doing it because he believes in it. Part of the package is support after you're going. If you're going to do it, please do speak to Ian. He's utterly approachable and very knowedgeable.
His contract is proven in court. Someone tried to take business themselves and Ian won. This leads to a second point. On this subject, ignore each and every word posted by one particular person. I'll leave you to work out who is posting the nonsense.
Like everything else, franchising is a trade-off. You take less cash but you also take on less hassle than you would employing.
The four most crucial aspects of franchising:
1. Get the contract right. Skimping on it is a false economy as there may come a time when your business relies on it. If you're going to have your own done, find a solicitor who specialises in franchising.
2. Get the right people. You need people who have been in steady employment who have realised that working for someone else is not the be all and end all of life.
3. Always be there for support and advice. If you're feeling like a day off or if you've just started your dinner and a franchisee has an urgent problem, go and deal with it.
4. And this is the most important one. So important that it's on an engraved sign above my desk. Always do what's in the best interests of the franchisees.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7Z6Z1KY8/20210130-124049.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Vin
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ONE piece of advice from Vin will literally save me thousands upon thousands of pounds!
Bugger. I'd have charged if I'd known. And I don't even know what the advice was. No, don't post it: let me know when you see me.
Vin
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Nigel is a hypocrite plain and simple. A few days ago he was as good as tickling Dave Morris’ sphincter, yet he tells anyone else who dares to run a successful multi van window cleaning business or franchise that they must clean houses for peanuts and employ monkeys and that they can’t possibly be making a decent profit. What’s more he can’t even decide if he himself employs or not, one minute he works alone, then he trips himself up and says there’s a couple of them, then he falls over himself and says there are three of them, all of this whilst staying under the VAT threshold despite an hourly rate of £100 per man.
I would take everything Nigel says with a pinch of salt as he talks some💩
😩 🧂 🧂
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Numbers Numbers I want Numbers.
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0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9. There you go, play away.
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NWH, I'm going to ask you a question that should have a simple answer (but I won't hold my breath, eh?). Is it possible that both employing AND franchising work?
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ONE piece of advice from Vin will literally save me thousands upon thousands of pounds!
Bugger. I'd have charged if I'd known. And I don't even know what the advice was. No, don't post it: let me know when you see me.
Vin
In 2016 I had this made. It was above my bedroom door in my parents house and I looked at it every morning before setting off to work.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1612016578_IMG_0320.jpg)
I don't really give much advice on franchising tbh as i'm certainly no expert and I don't want the competition in my area!
As for numbers, 2k? A week? From window cleaning? LOL! Next you'll be telling me leaflets work and i can run a multi million pound domestic window cleaning business.
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Have 2 vans full of work and the customers keep coming in every week! So its either start getting rid of a few or franchise, as dont want the hassle of another van and more employees, but not quite sure were to start with franchising, I know Ian Lancaster was selling a package a few years back but not sure if he still is. Anyond else on here that has went down franchising route?
A few points:
Ian Lancaster is still selling the franchising package. It's worth every penny. It's clear from dealing with Ian over the past few years that he's not doing this to become rich; he's doing it because he believes in it. Part of the package is support after you're going. If you're going to do it, please do speak to Ian. He's utterly approachable and very knowedgeable.
His contract is proven in court. Someone tried to take business themselves and Ian won. This leads to a second point. On this subject, ignore each and every word posted by one particular person. I'll leave you to work out who is posting the nonsense.
Like everything else, franchising is a trade-off. You take less cash but you also take on less hassle than you would employing.
The four most crucial aspects of franchising:
1. Get the contract right. Skimping on it is a false economy as there may come a time when your business relies on it. If you're going to have your own done, find a solicitor who specialises in franchising.
2. Get the right people. You need people who have been in steady employment who have realised that working for someone else is not the be all and end all of life.
3. Always be there for support and advice. If you're feeling like a day off or if you've just started your dinner and a franchisee has an urgent problem, go and deal with it.
4. And this is the most important one. So important that it's on an engraved sign above my desk. Always do what's in the best interests of the franchisees.
(https://i.postimg.cc/7Z6Z1KY8/20210130-124049.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Vin
Vin i was actually going to drop you an email today to ask about Ians system, but i think you have answered most of my questions in that post, as much as his system should be beneficial it was more the ongoing support that i think would be more beneficial to myself when stepping into something like franchising. Did you have to update his system at all vin? Or good to go as it is?
And yes i do know which particular person your talking about, quite amusing actually ;D
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Wayne,
Drop me an email.
Vin
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Wayne,
Drop me an email.
Vin
email sent
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Nice to see you here vin!
There is no right or wrong way to expand your buisness - and thats if you want/need to
Employing is one way - Franchising is another ( I think its more popular than you think I am regularly asked if I'm prt of a franchise )
You have to do what is right for you, gather information, do the maths and work hard at making it work.
Of course, I did forget the very best way to get a window cleaning biz....
And thats ponce it off your hard working dad who worked his fingers to the bone for 40 years - and pretend you know what you're talking about.
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There is no right or wrong way to expand your buisness - and thats if you want/need to
I should have made that clear. I've chosen expansion. I know guys in Southampton who are perfectly happy as one man bands. I know one who's happy to earn enough each morning that he can go to the pub for the afternoon every day. None of us is wrong in that basic decision. If you can't start a business to do what you want to do, what hope is there?
Vin
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Nice to see you here vin!
There is no right or wrong way to expand your buisness - and thats if you want/need to
Employing is one way - Franchising is another ( I think its more popular than you think I am regularly asked if I'm prt of a franchise )
You have to do what is right for you, gather information, do the maths and work hard at making it work.
Of course, I did forget the very best way to get a window cleaning biz....
And thats ponce it off your hard working dad who worked his fingers to the bone for 40 years - and pretend you know what you're talking about.
Still no numbers coming up on here I want to know the numbers,Hi I’m thinking of franchising how much can I expect to earn from it.
I don’t want to be turning over a lot of money so I can look good at the bank because as you know cash is king and I don’t want to be zeroing out month after month with profit and loss,I also don’t want to be giving someone 50 bags of work a year for a poxy 15-20% return 🤣🤣💩.
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There is no right or wrong way to expand your buisness - and thats if you want/need to
I should have made that clear. I've chosen expansion. I know guys in Southampton who are perfectly happy as one man bands. I know one who's happy to earn enough each morning that he can go to the pub for the afternoon every day. None of us is wrong in that basic decision. If you can't start a business to do what you want to do, what hope is there?
Vin
My single mate just stays under the VAT threshold and earns a shocking wage and owns a small house he rents out as well as a 4 bed detached he paid over £500k for. There’s amazing money to be made as a stand alone. Only thing is he can’t get ill.
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Still no numbers coming up on here I want to know the numbers,Hi I’m thinking of franchising how much can I expect to earn from it.
I don’t want to be turning over a lot of money so I can look good at the bank because as you know cash is king and I don’t want to be zeroing out month after month with profit and loss,I also don’t want to be giving someone 50 bags of work a year for a poxy 15-20% return 🤣🤣💩.
You can expect to earn exactly as much as you want. You can franchise to have a second van on the road. You can franchise and have three hundred and seventy vans on the road. Which numbers do you want? Which would convince you it was a good or bad idea?
I'm perfectly happy to give someone literally any amount of business that they could handle. No matter how many "bags" it was. I don't give it to them every year. Why would I? That would be really stupid and nobody would ever do it or want to do it.
By the way, the last time I posted numbers you made all the same objections, but not necessarily in the same order. Some things never change. You might want to read through that for the answer to your objections (I won't honour them by referring to them as "questions") on this thread.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=201020.0
Vin
P.S. You still haven't answered my simple question above.
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You would have to be as green as grass to buy into a window cleaning franchise or have 0 experience in running a business or being self employed,when I hear franchising and window cleaning discussed the the No 1 main thing that comes up every time is about the contract that needs to be drawn up,we all know why this is god forbid someone buys into it with half a brain and smells the coffee after a year or so.
There would be a lot of people that would right off the fee they originally paid and go it alone and put it down to experience once they see how easy it is to set up on their own,come on now it ain’t open heart surgery,apart from the obvious franchises we all drive past on a weekly basis others are looking for a certain kind of person.
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It's simple Nigel - there are people that have the cash but would never be able to start up the biz get customer etc... franchise offers a ready made biz weather you like it or not
Employing is the same there are many people that are happy to earn a wage by going the job then going home and not worry about the responsibility of being self employed
Your objection is always the same " they will steal your work" this really is a reflection of you rather than the people than become franchisees or employees
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Here's a good reason to employ.....
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1612030297_1B283D77-3D08-4C92-8244-E93B794F9344.jpeg)
3 evenings a week 👍
Only downside I cruise this forum and have to read all Nigels drivel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Here's a good reason to employ.....
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1612030297_1B283D77-3D08-4C92-8244-E93B794F9344.jpeg)
3 evenings a week 👍
Only downside I cruise this forum and have to read all Nigels drivel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I rarely read anything he posts. Although I did reply to one of his last week.
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I find them great when I'm ready for a nap - sends me off to sleep lovely 🤣
Darran
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I doubt anybody running their own business would see it as making sense. The franchisees I have on board have all come from a different backgrounds and their reason for joining has made sense.
In the last 6 months I've said NO to two guys wanting to come on board as I could see it ending in tears for me. Might have been wrong but I will never know I guess.
Why do people work in Burger King when they could just go buy a burger van? Heaven forbid there are some people out there who would rather have someone holding their hand through life. Social distancing is in place so its a figure of speech.
Last year i purchased a van and kitted it out as a spare for my guys to use in case of breakdowns, servicing etc etc. How many one man bands have that as a back up? It's not a POS either as its fitted with a grippa tank system with electric reels to match what they already have in their vans.
I'm not going to try and "sell" franchising to the non believers as its just a waste of my time. It's working for me and others so that's all that matters.
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I think Nigel's biggest issue is acknowledging that he himself isn't capable of either employing or franchising but accepting that others can- AND are successful with it. It really is that simple from where I'm sat. Arguing is futile, it's akin to convincing the SNP that Scottish independence is a bad thing!👍🤐
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I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
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Here's a good reason to employ.....
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1612030297_1B283D77-3D08-4C92-8244-E93B794F9344.jpeg)
3 evenings a week 👍
Only downside I cruise this forum and have to read all Nigels drivel 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You may be aware of my issue in the summer. I was in a coma for 6 days but work carried on. 5 vans out every day and I wasn’t missed. As a result of that I now do nothing day to day. I have one meeting a month with my manager and will plan and oversee the marketing campaign in the summer but that’s it. Oh, I do the bank reconciliations because I quite like it.
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Must be annoying to go fishing and not catch anything :D :D ;D ;D
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I’m aware now that you’ve posted pictures of it on here 🤣🤣
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I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
Earlier in the thread I'd be the stupid one to franchise because I would have my work stolen from me. Now the people who buy a franchise would be the stupid ones to buy in.
Tell me, is there anyone in this scenario who isn't stupid?
Vin
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If they were a sandwich short and knew nothing about window cleaning just had redundancy to waste it probably would work fine, a cheap easy escape to work outdoors.
On the flip side someone buys into it and sees it for for what it is and how it can easily be manipulated or in laymen’s terms sod paying this bloke when I’m doing all the work you could have problems,all I’m saying is you think you know people then you don’t it takes a certain kind of person to buy into this.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
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We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
Who ever did your web site needs a kick. If you look at it on a non maximised window (about 1100px wide) then the top banner menu drops down below the logo and then takes up half the screen. The responsiveness needs looking at.
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I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
Why are you calling me stupid? you don't know me.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
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I wouldn’t compare window cleaning in another country and certainly not the USA it is totally different as far as pricing and how frequently they clean goes,I watched lots of footage on how fish is run and it’s not all good a lot of the time it’s 1-2 times a year cleans which can include gutters windows in and out incl window tracks cleaned out every time $1000 upwards easy to keep track of work like that,monthly 6-8 weekly work isn’t done out there unless it’s store fronts you can’t base the USA franchise model with a UK one.
There’s a British guy thats moved over there and setup a business in window cleaning because of the size of the jobs per clean and the frequency it’s far easier to organise and keep track of the business.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.
It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
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To me there are 2 reasons to look at buying a franchise.
First is brand recognition - i.e. McDonalds is known worldwide, everyone knows what McD's food is and what they get. People like to go for something that is familiar they feel it's safer.
The second is a proven system - methods of working, gaining customers, and managing the business etc.
The problem I see with window cleaning franchise is brand recognition - can the public name a window cleaning brand? I doubt it.
So what you are paying for is the management system and a bit of training and hand holding. Unless they are supplying custys.
While it might be a quick route to working and getting custys you will be paying for them as long as you continue being a franchise!
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.
It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
I know nothing about franchising but thought the whole object of it was to supply the franchisee with all the work, knowledge ,and equipment to carry out the job that’s surely what they are paying royalties for ???? If they get there own work why should they lay you a % of that ???
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.
It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
Think you are missing a trick, what incentive is there for a franchisee to fork out 12k and be left to find their own work ?
Not knocking at all by the way, im sure you have a good plan, just genuinely interested as im setting up a franchise at the moment but will be supplying all the work ongoing, i think thats a huge advantage otherwise surely i would have to agree with NWH :o and they might as well set up on their own.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.
It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
I know nothing about franchising but thought the whole object of it was to supply the franchisee with all the work, knowledge ,and equipment to carry out the job that’s surely what they are paying royalties for ???? If they get there own work why should they lay you a % of that ???
Of course it is in reality Splash it ain’t a franchise m8 it’s another way of renting work out,it’s like saying when you are out and about it will look like you work for me coz you have my T shirts on lol they should be paying a fee for you to keep providing them with as much work they can handle,if they lose a job the franchise should replace it hence the ball Ache.
The contract is just there as a safe guard to try to stop them taking the customers at some point down the line,this is my point about them needing someone that’s green can you imagine someone that’s been in window cleaning in the past they’d snatch a round for themselves quicker than a cat gets of a 🌵 🤣🤣.
Very rarely do you see someone being part of this kind of setup long term,when you employ nearly all the time they want to go out on their own that’s why it’s tuff employing you need certain kind of people,the ones that live for the weekend let you down and the more sensible ones see the potential on their own it’s very difficult to find the in between.
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.
I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.
So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.
In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
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They want money up front for you to work their work m8 end of a franchise supports you provides initial work and ongoing work or what are you paying a fee for each month 🤣🤣,they come to you with a van and an envelope full of cash and you give em a T-shirt and a contract saying you can’t take any of my work lol.
I tell you what I’ll set 1 up tomorrow lol I haven’t looked into the Tax and Vat side of it yet but I’m sure that’s the incentive somewhere down the line over employing.
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Nigel says to Mrs Smith now look Mrs Smith this guys charging you a bit much if I’m honest and it’s a terrible setup between us I’m getting hardly anything out of this arrangement I could clean you’re windows for you for X if you cancel him between you and me.
What are you going to do camp outside some of these houses to make sure I’m not cleaning them when you’ve got you’re own work or business to be getting on with,now multiply this by dozens and dozens of individual customers can you imagine trying to sort all this out.
I tell you what you’d do throw your hands in the air and say I don’t know where to start,you can’t tell anyone who they use to clean their windows ever.
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.
I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.
So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.
In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
I haven’t lost anything m8 by the time you’ve smelt the coffee I’m on my way to getting my own business,what do I owe you I’ve had no ongoing work being given to me by you no support I’m expected to be getting my own work anyway what work I do gain do I have to tell you,maybe but only if I wanted to someone in this situation may feel they owe you nothing.
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Like I say it works if you get the right person there’s leaders and followers,you don’t want a leader though me thinks 👩🏻🦯.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.
It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
The only work I don't supply is any work from walk ups and/or recommendations. My last franchisee handed over £16,000, if I then told him to find his own work I would have trouble holding a straight face!
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Nigel - still obsessed with stealing work ?
You talk like the franchise takes all or most of the money - when in reality I think its the other way round (franchisee has the loins share) the split is agreed in the contract with each side obligations
Have you not heard of technology - van trackers will show all stops and times at said places so if you are that paronoid you will soon see any problems
Andy - I think you will need to provide work in this set-up otherwise there really is no point in a franchise....
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To me there are 2 reasons to look at buying a franchise.
First is brand recognition - i.e. McDonalds is known worldwide, everyone knows what McD's food is and what they get. People like to go for something that is familiar they feel it's safer.
The second is a proven system - methods of working, gaining customers, and managing the business etc.
The problem I see with window cleaning franchise is brand recognition - can the public name a window cleaning brand? I doubt it.
So what you are paying for is the management system and a bit of training and hand holding. Unless they are supplying custys.
While it might be a quick route to working and getting custys you will be paying for them as long as you continue being a franchise!
We supply our franchisees with as much work as they want. And, as I've mentioned above, the contract has been tested in court and it prevents a franchisee servicing customers if they give up the franchise.
Vin
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Nigel says to Mrs Smith now look Mrs Smith this guys charging you a bit much if I’m honest and it’s a terrible setup between us I’m getting hardly anything out of this arrangement I could clean you’re windows for you for X if you cancel him between you and me.
What are you going to do camp outside some of these houses to make sure I’m not cleaning them when you’ve got you’re own work or business to be getting on with,now multiply this by dozens and dozens of individual customers can you imagine trying to sort all this out.
I tell you what you’d do throw your hands in the air and say I don’t know where to start,you can’t tell anyone who they use to clean their windows ever.
No, but, as you've been told literally dozens of times, you can prevent the franchisee servicing that customer.
Listen mate, if all you're goign to do is keep on making up fantasy scenarios rather than actually responding to what people post you're done.
You haven't asnwered a single question I've asked on this thread. You just spout unrelated nonsense. So, either start answering when you're asked a polite question, or bore off.
1. You haven't told me whether it's possible that both franchising and employing could both work.
2. You haven't told my franchisee why you called him stupid.
Vin
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Imagine asking someone to buy into their franchise and not supplying them the work. ;D
Imo it’s by far the biggest reason someone would take on a window cleaning franchise. (Along with brand recognition but that’s not really relevant with window cleaning)
Also, Nigel just log off mate, embarrassing yourself further here.
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.
I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.
So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.
In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
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The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂
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I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
So I assume you are a franchisee ?? If so why did you go down this route instead of building your own work ? And what do you feel are the perceived benefits of doing it to you ? Ime genuinely interested as I have three vans with employees and wondering if franchising might be an option for me ? But feel the employment route gives me more money ??
Why are you calling me stupid? you don't know me.
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.
I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.
So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.
In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
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The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂
Well when he gets caught he loses both the customers he was cleaning under your name and the ones he picked up on the side as there would be a non compete clause in the same area.
These things are covered.
Plus you are assuming everyone is a snake.
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To me there are 2 reasons to look at buying a franchise.
First is brand recognition - i.e. McDonalds is known worldwide, everyone knows what McD's food is and what they get. People like to go for something that is familiar they feel it's safer.
The second is a proven system - methods of working, gaining customers, and managing the business etc.
The problem I see with window cleaning franchise is brand recognition - can the public name a window cleaning brand? I doubt it.
So what you are paying for is the management system and a bit of training and hand holding. Unless they are supplying custys.
While it might be a quick route to working and getting custys you will be paying for them as long as you continue being a franchise!
We supply our franchisees with as much work as they want. And, as I've mentioned above, the contract has been tested in court and it prevents a franchisee servicing customers if they give up the franchise.
Vin
To be honest, I wasn't trying to knock franchises it was to more say why I wouldn't buy a windy franchise. I said nothing about contracts or court etc...
I more posted it to see if anyone who was thinking of starting a franchise or had one would have any counter arguments. Is my view of buying a franchise wrong would I get more out of it than I think? i.e. what is your sales pitch to get someone to buy in?
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.
I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.
So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.
In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
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The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂
The point you are missing is that its against the franchise agreement to do that and if you have just handed over a few grand then why would you risk it. You could get found out on your first few jobs on the side, then what you have nothing.
Plus you are assuming everyone is a snake.
I just cannot see why anyone would go into it when they could build there own round easily , I am genuinely interested as I have more work than I can shake a stick at and have been actively turning it away I don’t want to sell leads as if who ever does the job and they do a bad job It reflects badly on me , I could easily put another van in the road every few months so the franchising route could work well for me ,but as I said earlier I cannot understand why anyone would want to pay me royalties when they could build there own work up easily .
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The nearest experience I have is a friend runs a mobile dog grooming service - which is a franchise he been doing for 10 years - it cost him about 20k - they supplied the work and the kit - he had to supply a van to be converted - years ago I said why didn't he just get more customers and them ditch the franchise - he told me they take a percentage fee every month based on the initial work supplied and new leads - if this dramatically dropped he would still have to pay the said amount, if he failed to do this they had the right to reclaim all the equipment and his customer book and ensure he couldn't work doing dog grooming for 1 yr
im sure there was room for a fiddle here and there but the franchise kept him busy with work - he didn't need to worry about advertising or new work and chemicals were supplied cheaper than he could buy + they were obligated to repair/replace equipment
Its a set up that suits both parties
Darran
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Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him
same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )
Darran
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Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him
same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )
Darran
Thanks Darran , I hear what you are saying and yes I started with the family car and a ladder I don’t class myself as a businessman or anything special , if I can run a successful window cleaning business then anyone can do it , I dint understand why they would want to pay me to do that ??? Think Ime going to have to look at this seriously . Thanks for your help
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
In my opinion it only works if you provide the work. Is that your plan?
No we won’t be providing any work as such but will be working with each franchisee to build their business with them.
It’s very rare in the world of franchising for the franchisor to find all of the franchisees work.
There’s a company called Tidal run by a young lad that signs up franchisees and helps them with government funding and then leaves them to find customers. Their model seems to me to be based on income from people buying the franchise rather than ongoing work.
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Ched you have hit the nail on the head this why it’s wide open to be exploited in window cleaning,I’m working for you as a franchisee I’ve managed to accumulate some of my own work and I’m doing it throughout my working week as and when I feel like it,how do intend to keep track of this or come to think of it how do you know I’m doing it anyway. What happens is gradually over time I’ll have enough of my own work and who knows I may have even managed to get some of you’re customers to come with me,it happens all the time with employees it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened m8.
Mrs smith who you have been cleaning "on the side" calls the office (the franchisor) and asks why nigel hasnt been for a while.
I say, can you tell me your address....and guess what we dont have that address on the system.
So i could say to nigel, you have broken the franchisee agreement and therefore its terminated, now you have lost everything including the 10 grand what you handed over and your months of hard work.
In short, why the hell would you risk doing a few jobs "on the side" when you know whats a stake....now that would be a stupid person...
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The reason you would do it is over time you build your own round that initial 10k is then disposable , no one with half a brain would want to continue paying royalties to someone when they can build there own round and keep 100% of what they earn , let’s face it it’s not rocket science to build and run a window round is it . There are plenty of muppets on hear doing it already 😂😂
Well when he gets caught he loses both the customers he was cleaning under your name and the ones he picked up on the side as there would be a non compete clause in the same area.
These things are covered.
Plus you are assuming everyone is a snake.
These things are covered lol ok m8 good luck you trying to sort all that S**T out because I wouldn’t know where to start,I’ll give you a clue you don’t honestly think the bloke is gonna go round signing people up in his name do you if he’s savvy enough to be doing this which over time a lot would be,domestic customers want windows cleaned by whoever they wish you aren’t dealing with big commercial clients that would be 100% easier to deal with as far as that goes.
Like all things in this life it looks good on paper and if you are giving someone money so you can trade in their name without them giving you constant work and support you are a fool,you are having to gain work anyway why wouldn’t you just do this for yourself in the first place and save the initial outlay and as far as Ionic goes £2000 lease towards a leased vehicle they want about 800 notes a month for 1 of there vans kitted out 🤣🤣🤣👩🏻🦯👩🏻🦯👩🏻🦯👩🏻🦯,good old Ruben selling you the dream of a hot van and no work don’t worry though WE will tell you how to get it,all ex office bodds with 20-30k redundancy to waste I feel for em lol.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model. Whilst I agree that on the whole that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.
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These things are covered lol ok m8 good luck you trying to sort all that S**T out because I wouldn’t know where to start,I’ll give you a clue you don’t honestly think the bloke is gonna go round signing people up in his name do you if he’s savvy enough to be doing this which over time a lot would be,domestic customers want windows cleaned by whoever they wish you aren’t dealing with big commercial clients that would be 100% easier to deal with as far as that goes.
Like all things in this life it looks good on paper and if you are giving someone money so you can trade in their name without them giving you constant work and support you are a fool,you are having to gain work anyway why wouldn’t you just do this for yourself in the first place and save the initial outlay and as far as Ionic goes £2000 lease towards a leased vehicle they want about 800 notes a month for 1 of there vans kitted out 🤣🤣🤣👩🏻🦯👩🏻🦯👩🏻🦯👩🏻🦯,good old Ruben selling you the dream of a hot van and no work don’t worry though WE will tell you how to get it,all ex office bodds with 20-30k redundancy to waste I feel for em lol.
Why did you call one of my franchisees stupid?
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I had to laugh the other day Old Skool window cleaners he’s called is selling some sort of business package on window cleaning advise on skills how to get work so on and so on,the blokes only been doing the job 5 minutes and can’t even clean windows properly himself yet.
Some people have signed up I believe so there you go 1 born every minute lol.
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Perfect windows get this straight I am not calling anyone’s franchises stupid my point is why would someone buy into it without ongoing support initial work and ongoing work,stop being a fool and thinking that I’m talking about you because I’m not.
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Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him
same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )
Darran
Thanks Darran , I hear what you are saying and yes I started with the family car and a ladder I don’t class myself as a businessman or anything special , if I can run a successful window cleaning business then anyone can do it , I dint understand why they would want to pay me to do that ??? Think Ime going to have to look at this seriously . Thanks for your help
I was the same - I had about £800 to my name when redundant - I have never considered myself a businessman but after doing a couple of years networking you can see how useless people can be, and how many just can't make a success of it without handholding - god knows what its like now with the pandemic
Darran
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I had to laugh the other day Old Skool window cleaners he’s called is selling some sort of business package on window cleaning advise on skills how to get work so on and so on,the blokes only been doing the job 5 minutes and can’t even clean windows properly himself yet.
Some people have signed up I believe so there you go 1 born every minute lol.
and how far have you got in the 25+ years you've be shining glass ?
Darran
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Perfect windows get this straight I am not calling anyone’s franchises stupid my point is why would someone buy into it without ongoing support initial work and ongoing work,stop being a fool and thinking that I’m talking about you because I’m not.
My question was "Why are you calling my franchisees stupid?" You might want to read and respond to the words I use rather than the words you think I use.
Here's where you did it.
...how many franchises do you see in window cleaning hardly any because not many people are stupid enough to buy into it ...
I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
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Perfect windows get this straight I am not calling anyone’s franchises stupid my point is why would someone buy into it without ongoing support initial work and ongoing work,stop being a fool and thinking that I’m talking about you because I’m not.
My question was "Why are you calling my franchisees stupid?" You might want to read and respond to the words I use rather than the words you think I use.
Here's where you did it.
...how many franchises do you see in window cleaning hardly any because not many people are stupid enough to buy into it ...
I’m not trying to convince anyone I’m confused why anyone would be stupid enough to buy a window cleaning franchise,although I suppose that’s the kind of person you need someone that knows very little about it.
Ah he’s just full of hot air. He doesn’t mean it.
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Perfect windows it’s not all about you m8.
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Splash - your missing one simple point - You run a successful business ( you have the fore cite, skill, determination etc) to go out and make it work - so many people don't - worry about getting work - my FIL was like this spend 4k on gutter vac - but just couldn't get out to drop leaflets, canvass, advertise - in the end I did all this for him
same as why would anyone be an employee -? ( not me ever again - but I see why most people want to be employed )
Darran
Thanks Darran , I hear what you are saying and yes I started with the family car and a ladder I don’t class myself as a businessman or anything special , if I can run a successful window cleaning business then anyone can do it , I dint understand why they would want to pay me to do that ??? Think Ime going to have to look at this seriously . Thanks for your help
I was the same - I had about £800 to my name when redundant - I have never considered myself a businessman but after doing a couple of years networking you can see how useless people can be, and how many just can't make a success of it without handholding - god knows what its like now with the pandemic
Darran
I started on a 3 wheeled bike with an apple picking ladder 🪜,after 3 ah ah 🤣🤣
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Perfect windows it’s not all about you m8.
Aaand you're done. You've called the user named "1576" on here stupid (he's one of my franchisees and you've told us that people who buy franchises are stupid) but you're not prepared to defend your nonsense. Bore off, little fella.
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I started on a 3 wheeled bike with an apple picking ladder 🪜,after 3 ah ah 🤣🤣
after failing to make your own way in the world you got your poor old dad to employ you - doesn't that make you 'stupid' like any other worker - and did you steal off him ?
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Ahhhhhh I see everyone’s entitled to their opinion and mine wasn’t personal to anyone in particular if you don’t like my opinion that’s fine but I’m entitled to it,maybe you just don’t like I’m offering a view that’s conflicting to yours again opinions you have yours too.
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I started on a 3 wheeled bike with an apple picking ladder 🪜,after 3 ah ah 🤣🤣
after failing to make your own way in the world you got your poor old dad to employ you - doesn't that make you 'stupid' like any other worker - and did you steal off him ?
Lol yeah stole the lot selling it all as a franchise 🤣🤣😂 they’ve got to find their own work though and I’ve told em all as soon as they hand or the cash I’ll block em.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model. Whilst I agree that on the whole that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.
Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model. Whilst I agree that on the whole that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.
Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
One of your franchise partners has this on the front page of their website:-
“WE FIND ALL OUR FRANCHISEES CUSTOMERS FOR THEM
We’re the only franchise in the UK that finds our franchisees customers for them. Not enquiries or leads, actual regular, paying customers. It’s this reason why our franchisees love us. Let me show you how it works…”
https://www.thomascleaningfranchise.co.uk/
It’s not a very consistent business model across the brand if they offer the above for one business and then the complete opposite for your business Andy.
I’m not meaning to be a dick and genuinely wish you well, but it doesn’t make sense to me to buy a window cleaning franchise with no work supplied.
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model. Whilst I agree that on the whole that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.
Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
One of your franchise partners has this on the front page of their website:-
“WE FIND ALL OUR FRANCHISEES CUSTOMERS FOR THEM
We’re the only franchise in the UK that finds our franchisees customers for them. Not enquiries or leads, actual regular, paying customers. It’s this reason why our franchisees love us. Let me show you how it works…”
https://www.thomascleaningfranchise.co.uk/
It’s not a very consistent business model across the brand if they offer the above for one business and then the complete opposite for your business Andy.
I’m not meaning to be a dick and genuinely wish you well, but it doesn’t make sense to me to buy a window cleaning franchise with no work supplied.
Good spot.
That’s how it used to work. The former owner of Thomas Cleaning used to find the customers and then sell them - yes sell them to the franchisee and then also get an ongoing royalty fee for that customer.
Taylor Made are changing that model now and are putting a lot of money into training the franchisees to find their own clients.
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thanks for answering the questions Andy,
If it were me I wouldn't be going down this route - what sort of money have they invested in this ? and at the end of the day who's covering that investment ?
my take is this - if I were buying a franchise like (if I ever had the cash) McD's or cafe Nero or a Jet service station I wouldn't expect customers to be supplied - namely because I'd have a big brand name and shop for passing trade
Where as like my friend who does the dog washing you are going out to get customers and don't have a recognisable brand - it's not that it won't work but I think your asking too much of a franchisee therefore a base of customers should be supplied
Darran
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To answer andys question i think most window cleaning franchises supply as much work as the franchisee wants. At least the 4 or 5 ive spoke to do.
I know a couple that dont but surely its mutually beneficial to give them as much as they want...the more they earn the more you earn.
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thanks for answering the questions Andy,
If it were me I wouldn't be going down this route - what sort of money have they invested in this ? and at the end of the day who's covering that investment ?
my take is this - if I were buying a franchise like (if I ever had the cash) McD's or cafe Nero or a Jet service station I wouldn't expect customers to be supplied - namely because I'd have a big brand name and shop for passing trade
Where as like my friend who does the dog washing you are going out to get customers and don't have a recognisable brand - it's not that it won't work but I think your asking too much of a franchisee therefore a base of customers should be supplied
Darran
If you don’t supply customers before during and after and basically just sit them down and giving them a quick chat how to go about it what is anyone offering them,if I buy into a KFC I know I’ll make money from day 1 it’s a recognisable brand a window cleaning firm among window cleaning firms isn’t and I also know I’ll have the support to make it work.
I’ve given my reasons why I think people want to do this with window cleaning on another thread and it was taken down so I’ll say no more on the subject. 👍
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Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
We do.
As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.
Vin
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Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
We do.
As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.
Vin
Hi Vin,
Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.
We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.
We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.
Andy
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Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
We do.
As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.
Vin
Hi Vin,
Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.
We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.
We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.
Andy
So what benefit does the oven cleaner have if he is not supplied work?
Hes paid 30k for what? A logo and some uniform and a bit of training. Thats criminal
But if you can sell it then fair play.
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Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
We do.
As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.
Vin
Hi Vin,
Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.
We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.
We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.
Andy
So what benefit does the oven cleaner have if he is not supplied work?
Hes paid 30k for what? A logo and some uniform and a bit of training. Thats criminal
But if you can sell it then fair play.
Yep! He got a bank loan for the £30k and pays back £500 a month for that, plus his royalties before he even starts to look at any money for other expenses and himself.
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Sorry I meant to say yesterday the guy I also spoke to was involved with an Oven cleaning franchise,he’s jacking it in reckons it’s gonna cost him but he’s having to do all marketing and advertising he’s had enough cost him slightly less than on the above post.
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Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
We do.
As far as I'm aware, all of Ian Lancaster's customers do the same.
Vin
Hi Vin,
Sorry I mean't any other franchises that aren't window cleaning.
We had a guy come and clean our oven the other day from Oven Wizards... He bought the franchise for £30k (it was a re-sale) and has to find all of his own work, he said he gets the occasional lead from the main oven wizards website but no solid customers from them just leads.
We won't build our franchisees customer base for them - but we will help them to do it using our tried and tested methods.
Andy
So what benefit does the oven cleaner have if he is not supplied work?
Hes paid 30k for what? A logo and some uniform and a bit of training. Thats criminal
But if you can sell it then fair play.
Yep! He got a bank loan for the £30k and pays back £500 a month for that, plus his royalties before he even starts to look at any money for other expenses and himself.
what a mug! ;D.........i cant see it working for window cleaning though unless YOU SUPPLY THE WORK......
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I totally get why a franchisee would want an Ian Lancaster franchise. I think you'd have to be a bit daft to take one without the work guaranteed. I considered franchising rather than employing by the way.
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I totally get why a franchisee would want an Ian Lancaster franchise. I think you'd have to be stupid to take one without the work guaranteed. I considered franchising rather than employing by the way.
i know a window cleaner whos a franchisee.........his boss supplies the work and he told me he only pays 10%.....he does work hard though (6 days a week)45 + hours a week but he seems happy enough.... :)
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I totally get why a franchisee would want an Ian Lancaster franchise. I think you'd have to be stupid to take one without the work guaranteed. I considered franchising rather than employing by the way.
You be careful who you’re calling stupid 8 Weekly the word stupid doesn’t exist in the same sentence as franchise according to some on here,you’ll be struck down if you have an opinion m8 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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We have partnered with a company who own 4 other franchise brands:
https://www.taylormadefranchising.co.uk/post/taylor-made-franchising-forms-strategic-partnership-with-iconic-window-cleaning
All of their franchisees across all of their brands turned over £7.6m last year - more than proving franchising in all sorts of industries works.
We are working on having our first 2 pilot franchisees up and running by the end of April.
The long term goal is to have a network of franchisees nationwide. A bit like Fish Window Cleaning in America.
www.window-cleaning-franchise.co.uk
Andy
Not trying to knock you, I genuinely wish you well with franchising and hope you make a success of it, but I think you would be wise to re think your business model. Whilst I agree that on the whole that franchising can work, in window cleaning I don’t believe it can work without the franchisor providing a guaranteed amount of work/income to the franchisee. I also find it hard to see what value Taylor Made Franchising will bring to you, they have no expertise at all in window cleaning or how it works. They are providing you a franchise template that is doomed to failure as it isn’t tailored towards window cleaning.
IMO you would be better served speaking with Ian Lancaster, Vin or Clever Forum Name rather than diluting your profit with a company who have no expertise in the window cleaning industry and who it seems have given you bad advice in believing you can sell a window cleaning franchise without providing work.
Thanks for the feedback.
We already have 2 pilot franchisees lined up. They should be starting in April.
Can anyone tell me what other Franchises offer their franchisees as much work as they want?
You could have a problem if the prospective franchisees do their research into window cleaning franchises and see that other franchisors offer a guaranteed amount of work included in their package.
££££ worth of guaranteed work sounds a lot more appealing compared to supplying leaflets and business cards.
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Don’t you go calling a franchisee stupid as well KS come on now who do you think you are,you should be coaxing him into it he knows he’s got a good deal T-shirt and a load of business cards what more does the man need before he hands over an envelope full of notes 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
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It reminds me of what Forest Gumps mum said to him,stupid is as stupid duuuzzz 😩😩😩
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Don’t you go calling a franchisee stupid as well KS come on now who do you think you are,you should be coaxing him into it he knows he’s got a good deal T-shirt and a load of business cards what more does the man need before he hands over an envelope full of notes 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Difference being I’m not insulting the franchisor nor the franchisee, I’m offering advice/constructive criticism ( well I think it’s constructive anyway! )
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The bottom line is that Franchising works in all sorts of industries, so there is no reason why it can't work with window cleaning if done correctly.
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I think you’ll find that you are right it works in all types of industries what you are failing to see is that window cleaning or Oven cleaning is a simple business,you don’t need to invest 1000s upon 1000s of £s to get started or make it work.
If I come to you and give you 20k and you start off by giving me 400 notes a week worth of work and can guarantee that and that you’ll get me ongoing business and replace any lost work due to my initial incompetence we have some sort of deal,if I come to you with 20k and you sit me down tell me how it’s done give me your livery to use a few T shirts and business cards-flyers who’s the stupid one there then,KFC might want 750,000-1,000,000 off of you “why” because you know and they know you’ll make it back and be into big profits in a few years even though you still have to pay them for all there products plus a franchise fee every month,yes all franchises work but without a brand that’s visible in the high street you ain’t any different to the next window cleaner.
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The bottom line is that Franchising works in all sorts of industries, so there is no reason why it can't work with window cleaning if done correctly.
You are correct. Lots of window cleaners do it successfully. Your model is different though so it will be really good to hear how you get on.
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You don’t fancy a burger you fancy a McDonald’s you don’t want fried chicken you want a KFC see my point,it’s in you’re subconscious it rolls off the tongue 👅 what they’ve done has worked.
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I have a hot system I don’t know if you’ve heard this 🤣🤣🤣 some franchises will take you’re money insisting you need this when in reality you don’t to clean windows,you buy a backpack a cheap filtration system and fill barrels and you are fully equipped to clean windows.
Before anyone bought into this I’d say give yourself 2 weeks just knocking doors see where it gets you you might surprise yourself and save yourself a shed load of money.
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How is a franchise a low star up cost?
Darran
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Not sure 'Ongoing expense of Franchise Fee' is a plus point, I realise that the tick means 'yes', so it is correct. It's certainly an interesting info graphic but not sure it quite sells it.
Might be worth rethinking that one?
Plus lower startup costs? If someone bought exactly the same kit not getting the 'franchisers discount from economies of scale' I am sure that would be cheaper than the discounted kit plus the franchise fee!
I think there are great plus points of a franchise you could make, like ongoing support, proven work systems, etc. Be careful as if it's advertising material it's open to the Advertising Standards Agency inspection!
Just looked at your franchising web site and within the training section it doesn't actually say you will receive training on any of the equipment! I assume you teach them during the 5 days how to use the kit? If you do might be worth mentioning that?
I am not trying to knock your franchise just asking questions I think might help you.
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Better plus point would be lead nd prospective customers supplied from franchise...
I know it's your baby, but looking at it I get the feeling it's all about the franchise rancher than the franchisee
Could be that already being in the biz I see like your own territory, don't wash - a newbie may think they get an area devoid of other windy's and how big is a territory ?
Darran
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Own territory within the franchise that’s all that means.
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They won’t put another 1 of their franchises in competition with another 1 don’t forget about the other 20 cleaners in his area though lol.
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Own territory within the franchise that’s all that means.
Yes we all know that. The point Smudger was making was that a newbie Franchisee may think he’s got an exclusive area without any other window cleaners at all.
Anyway, I thought you weren’t going to say any more on the matter?
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Makes little sense to use this as marketing material for a window cleaning franchise.
As has already been said, almost every box is wrong or at the least misleading.
Low start up costs? Far higher costs with the franchise model.
Bigger purchasing power? Are you really going to get a discount on your resin because you can order 3 bags of resin instead of 1?
Ongoing expense of franchise fee can’t be marketed as a benefit over a solo startup.
There’s that much good FREE info out there now that also negates the value of having ongoing support from an experienced operator.
I wish you well with this model but without supplying work I can’t personally see it working for the franchisee.
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Own territory within the franchise that’s all that means.
Yes we all know that. The point Smudger was making was that a newbie Franchisee may think he’s got an exclusive area without any other window cleaners at all.
Anyway, I thought you weren’t going to say any more on the matter?
It won’t mean that no one knows who’s calling into an area,it’s pointless trying to make a case to people who’ve been in this game for years we all know how it goes and what you need to do to support a franchisee they need a constant supply of work to keep them going and customers replaced that they lose coz they will lose some.
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I’ve had two franchise enquiries this week.
So thanks guys ;D
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I’ve had two franchise enquiries this week.
So thanks guys ;D
NWH kept that quiet🤣
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I’ve had two franchise enquiries this week.
So thanks guys ;D
NWH kept that quiet🤣
Haha, his name is Dave. Or is it ;D
I am Actually advertising at the moment. So it might be from that.
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You’ve got to be joking if I want to waste money I usually go to Vegas at Christmas 🎄 and have a blow out,at least when I waste my money I know I’m wasting it or I’m under no illusion 🤣🤣
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Territorys arent needed if you are supplying all the work.
Its all about sales at the end of the day, its doesnt matter what your model is if you can sell it.
I enquired at a certain window cleaning franchise company so i could see how they work, very nice website, about 10k plus to buy in and they dont supply any work either. But they have got quite a lot of franchisees and their email marketing is brilliant. Looks very slick.
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What like a slick double glazing salesman 🤣🤣
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Territorys arent needed if you are supplying all the work.
Its all about sales at the end of the day, its doesnt matter what your model is if you can sell it.
I enquired at a certain window cleaning franchise company so i could see how they work, very nice website, about 10k plus to buy in and they dont supply any work either. But they have got quite a lot of franchisees and their email marketing is brilliant. Looks very slick.
If Jeremy Beadle wasn’t dead I’d expect him to come walking round the corner any second m8 🤣🤣🤣
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I was hoping Andy might answer some of the questions posed - if it's a good idea it will withstand interrogation
Darran
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I was hoping Andy might answer some of the questions posed - if it's a good idea it will withstand interrogation
Darran
I’ll have a read through the latest posts and answer any questions a little later on today 😊
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excellent
I don't want you to feel its an attack - but more in the form of dealing with a potential franchisee that asked awkward questions ;D
Darran
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It’s a free country to give and offer any opinion on any window cleaning matter 👌.
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excellent
I don't want you to feel its an attack - but more in the form of dealing with a potential franchisee that asked awkward questions ;D
Darran
I know you're not that kind of person Darran :)
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Hi guys,
Answers to some of the questions...
How is a franchise a low start up cost?
Time is money when running your own business…
When I think back to when I first started I spent (wasted) so much time finding the right system / bodging DIY setups / making my own leaflets that didn’t work / quoting jobs too low / trying to diversify too much etc.. etc..
So, in my opinion investing into a franchise is low cost when every aspect of starting your own business from scratch is taken into consideration.
Not sure 'Ongoing expense of Franchise Fee' is a plus point, I realise that the tick means 'yes', so it is correct. It's certainly an interesting info graphic but not sure it quite sells it.
No it isn’t meant as a plus point… The table is a pros and cons table for the potential franchisee to weigh up.
Just looked at your franchising web site and within the training section it doesn't actually say you will receive training on any of the equipment! I assume you teach them during the 5 days how to use the kit? If you do might be worth mentioning that?
The franchisee will be trained on everything… 2 days practical training on real customers houses – exterior & interior window cleaning / gutter clearing and gutter, fascia soffit cleaning. Within these 2 days they will also receive full training on RO systems, the van WFP system etc..
1 day sales and marketing – canvassing / marketing / quoting
1 day scheduling / bookkeeping / customer services / office functions
And, if they are going to employ – 1 day on recruitment and team management.
I know it's your baby, but looking at it I get the feeling it's all about the franchise rancher than the franchisee
It’s not at all… It’s all about growing a network of window cleaning businesses under one brand – where everyone in the network supports each other, but the ultimate support comes from the Franchisor.
I employ 2 guys at the moment, and I hate the employment side of things… I’m naturally better at supporting others rather than man management. So I will be putting 100% into supporting all franchisees – to me it will be all about them.
Could be that already being in the biz I see like your own territory, don't wash - a newbie may think they get an area devoid of other windy's and how big is a territory ?
This will be fully explained to the potential franchisee. They will have their own territory that no other Iconic franchisee can trade in… Obviously it goes without saying that there could be 100’s of other window cleaners in that territory – but competition is healthy.
There’s that much good FREE info out there now that also negates the value of having ongoing support from an experienced operator.
You could say this about every Franchise in any industry but the fact remains that people invest in franchises and will continue to do so.
The Franchise Industry turns over £15 Billion every year in the UK, this is an increase of 46% over the last decade. So more and more people start their own business through franchising.
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Well done Andy - well answered - I hope it goes well for you
Darran
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Hi guys,
Answers to some of the questions...
How is a franchise a low start up cost?
Time is money when running your own business…
When I think back to when I first started I spent (wasted) so much time finding the right system / bodging DIY setups / making my own leaflets that didn’t work / quoting jobs too low / trying to diversify too much etc.. etc..
So, in my opinion investing into a franchise is low cost when every aspect of starting your own business from scratch is taken into consideration.
Not sure 'Ongoing expense of Franchise Fee' is a plus point, I realise that the tick means 'yes', so it is correct. It's certainly an interesting info graphic but not sure it quite sells it.
No it isn’t meant as a plus point… The table is a pros and cons table for the potential franchisee to weigh up.
Just looked at your franchising web site and within the training section it doesn't actually say you will receive training on any of the equipment! I assume you teach them during the 5 days how to use the kit? If you do might be worth mentioning that?
The franchisee will be trained on everything… 2 days practical training on real customers houses – exterior & interior window cleaning / gutter clearing and gutter, fascia soffit cleaning. Within these 2 days they will also receive full training on RO systems, the van WFP system etc..
1 day sales and marketing – canvassing / marketing / quoting
1 day scheduling / bookkeeping / customer services / office functions
And, if they are going to employ – 1 day on recruitment and team management.
I know it's your baby, but looking at it I get the feeling it's all about the franchise rancher than the franchisee
It’s not at all… It’s all about growing a network of window cleaning businesses under one brand – where everyone in the network supports each other, but the ultimate support comes from the Franchisor.
I employ 2 guys at the moment, and I hate the employment side of things… I’m naturally better at supporting others rather than man management. So I will be putting 100% into supporting all franchisees – to me it will be all about them.
Could be that already being in the biz I see like your own territory, don't wash - a newbie may think they get an area devoid of other windy's and how big is a territory ?
This will be fully explained to the potential franchisee. They will have their own territory that no other Iconic franchisee can trade in… Obviously it goes without saying that there could be 100’s of other window cleaners in that territory – but competition is healthy.
There’s that much good FREE info out there now that also negates the value of having ongoing support from an experienced operator.
You could say this about every Franchise in any industry but the fact remains that people invest in franchises and will continue to do so.
The Franchise Industry turns over £15 Billion every year in the UK, this is an increase of 46% over the last decade. So more and more people start their own business through franchising.
Lol 2 days training on all that !!!!! It will need considerably more than that just to clean a window let alone all the other bits and bobs 😂😂😂😂
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Hi guys,
Answers to some of the questions...
How is a franchise a low start up cost?
Time is money when running your own business…
When I think back to when I first started I spent (wasted) so much time finding the right system / bodging DIY setups / making my own leaflets that didn’t work / quoting jobs too low / trying to diversify too much etc.. etc..
So, in my opinion investing into a franchise is low cost when every aspect of starting your own business from scratch is taken into consideration.
Not sure 'Ongoing expense of Franchise Fee' is a plus point, I realise that the tick means 'yes', so it is correct. It's certainly an interesting info graphic but not sure it quite sells it.
No it isn’t meant as a plus point… The table is a pros and cons table for the potential franchisee to weigh up.
Just looked at your franchising web site and within the training section it doesn't actually say you will receive training on any of the equipment! I assume you teach them during the 5 days how to use the kit? If you do might be worth mentioning that?
The franchisee will be trained on everything… 2 days practical training on real customers houses – exterior & interior window cleaning / gutter clearing and gutter, fascia soffit cleaning. Within these 2 days they will also receive full training on RO systems, the van WFP system etc..
1 day sales and marketing – canvassing / marketing / quoting
1 day scheduling / bookkeeping / customer services / office functions
And, if they are going to employ – 1 day on recruitment and team management.
I know it's your baby, but looking at it I get the feeling it's all about the franchise rancher than the franchisee
It’s not at all… It’s all about growing a network of window cleaning businesses under one brand – where everyone in the network supports each other, but the ultimate support comes from the Franchisor.
I employ 2 guys at the moment, and I hate the employment side of things… I’m naturally better at supporting others rather than man management. So I will be putting 100% into supporting all franchisees – to me it will be all about them.
Could be that already being in the biz I see like your own territory, don't wash - a newbie may think they get an area devoid of other windy's and how big is a territory ?
This will be fully explained to the potential franchisee. They will have their own territory that no other Iconic franchisee can trade in… Obviously it goes without saying that there could be 100’s of other window cleaners in that territory – but competition is healthy.
There’s that much good FREE info out there now that also negates the value of having ongoing support from an experienced operator.
You could say this about every Franchise in any industry but the fact remains that people invest in franchises and will continue to do so.
The Franchise Industry turns over £15 Billion every year in the UK, this is an increase of 46% over the last decade. So more and more people start their own business through franchising.
Lol 2 days training on all that !!!!! It will need considerably more than that just to clean a window let alone all the other bits and bobs 😂😂😂😂
But I thought starting and running a window cleaning business was so easy anyone can do it? 😂😂
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A bit of reading about Franchising:
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2 days is more than enough to get the basics of cleaning a window - the rest is all about experience - weather conditions, styles of window, times of the year etc....
That's the bit that takes time
All the rest can be easily written out in a "training manual" for reference
Darran
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Good luck with it Andy, I’ll be interested to see how you go on with recruiting franchisees. 👍
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Where’s the information as regards what the initial outlay is for the potential window cleaner and what benefits he-she will recieve,a load of figures on a page don’t do it for me.
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I think this business model is heavily reliant on any potential franchisees having had a redundancy package to sink into it. Anyone taking a loan to finance it will be on a hiding to nothing due to having monthly outgoings whilst having little or no income.
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I think this business model is heavily reliant on any potential franchisees having had a redundancy package to sink into it. Anyone taking a loan to finance it will be on a hiding to nothing due to having monthly outgoings whilst having little or no income.
But the majority of Franchises throughout the UK have the same model and people invest into them all the time and are successful
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What are you offering the potential investor after they’ve paid you their hard earned.
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I think this business model is heavily reliant on any potential franchisees having had a redundancy package to sink into it. Anyone taking a loan to finance it will be on a hiding to nothing due to having monthly outgoings whilst having little or no income.
But the majority of Franchises throughout the UK have the same model and people invest into them all the time and are successful
There will be a lot of factors involved as to the reason why they are successful or not.
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I would target people who know nothing at all about the cleaning of windows if someone is providing leaflets and business cards and a business name what are they getting for their money,who’s buying into this do they not see that they could be doing the same thing for thereselves for 100 odd quid 🤣🤣.
I’d like a few more reasons as to why this is no different to driving down the road and chucking good money out the window please.
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Nigel
We've covered the reason why people go for a franchise - try to keep, up,or at least read other people's posts
Andy - do you know who are the most successful franchise's are that are not shop based - (for example a plumbing franchise)
Darran
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I think this business model is heavily reliant on any potential franchisees having had a redundancy package to sink into it. Anyone taking a loan to finance it will be on a hiding to nothing due to having monthly outgoings whilst having little or no income.
But the majority of Franchises throughout the UK have the same model and people invest into them all the time and are successful
Remember Cartridge World?
They used the standard business model - ie. recognisable brand, the franchise holder supplies the materials and the franchisee just does the selling (using company methods).... That's has to be the most popular business model in franchising?
Window cleaning is a bit different as the franchisee doesn't need to buy supplies from franchise holder to continue the business.
I guess you really need to get your brand out there so the public start to associate your brand with good quality service and recognise it. Then you will really have a franchise people will want to buy into.
It is really interesting to hear how you are going - there are always a lot of negative people out there but as long as you believe in what you are offering and work hard I am sure you can achieve great things for you and your franchisees.
I hope you do really well franchising. Good Luck and keep us posted.
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I genuinely fail to see what’s been offered for the initial investment am I missing something.
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I can see the potential in the amount of people about in the near future with redundancy in their pockets that know nothing about window cleaning lol.
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I genuinely fail to see what’s been offered for the initial investment am I missing something.
This might help....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNhL4J_S00
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See we luv ya nige, we only want you to see the light :-*
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Good point chef - I would assume that's a good reason to provide the franchisee with work
Darran
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Nigel
We've covered the reason why people go for a franchise - try to keep, up,or at least read other people's posts
Andy - do you know who are the most successful franchise's are that are not shop based - (for example a plumbing franchise)
Darran
Dyno-rod and Metro Plumb ?
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Sorry it wasn't a question that I know the answer to, I thought you might know when you researched
Darran
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It is really interesting to hear how you are going - there are always a lot of negative people out there but as long as you believe in what you are offering and work hard I am sure you can achieve great things for you and your franchisees.
I hope you do really well franchising. Good Luck and keep us posted.
Thanks :)
The guys I have partnered with are great. The franchise director has 26 years experience in the franchising industry, and the franchise manager was a franchise director at Fastsigns before joining Taylor Made. So, together as a team hopefully we can be successful - It's not just me on my own.
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🤣🤣 I think you are a round the world trip from being in that kind of company as far as brand goes lol,fair play to you for trying.
I can think off the top of my head now but there is a National company that took over a lot of Office cleaning and Commercial window cleaning,they have a huge profile of work the only trouble is when the name gets mentioned it’s in horror.
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
Does it involve concrete?
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
All this chat and no ones saying how much you want and how much I’ll get I’m hearing a lot of 💨,if someone thinks they need to pay 1000s to start window cleaning good luck to them once they’ve been doing it a while they’ll realise they didn’t,it’s like paying money to have a bloke on the other end of the phone for advise 🤣🤣🤣
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
Does it involve concrete?
Yeah lol you don’t want any potential buyers talking to someone like me about window cleaning and franchising 🤣🤣.
1, Think of a company name.
2, Get leaflets printed.
3, Select an area you want to work.
4, Put leaflets through doors until you’re fingers bleed.
5, Get a cheap website basic saying what you do and areas covered.
6, Get a backpack and traditional tools and practise on your house as often as you can and check results in sunlight,make a point of putting the time in everyday at some point even in the rain.
7, Once you’ve done this for a month see where you are in terms of window cleaning results if it’ll suit you and how much work you’ve managed to get back from leaflets and website enquires.
8, Before you do any of this when would you like me to pick you up and drop you down to the bank so you can withdraw me 15 bags,I only take cash and I’ll come in with you it’s worked out quiet well because at the moment we will both have masks on 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💩💩💩💩💩
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All joking aside the 7 points I’ve mentioned will get you enough work to get you started you don’t need to spend a penny,bit of initiative shoe leather and persistence always works with window cleaning and who knows it might not be for you and if it’s not it ain’t cost you anything.
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30 bags if you want a Green Thumb franchise http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/education/1577048.stm
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I would target people who know nothing at all about the cleaning of windows if someone is providing leaflets and business cards and a business name what are they getting for their money,who’s buying into this do they not see that they could be doing the same thing for thereselves for 100 odd quid 🤣🤣.
I’d like a few more reasons as to why this is no different to driving down the road and chucking good money out the window please.
I'd like to know why you've got nearly 14000 posts on an internet forum? that's stupid!
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30 bags if you want a Green Thumb franchise http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/education/1577048.stm
That was 20 years ago. I’d suspect it costs considerably more now. 220 francisees would suggest its a business model that works though. Good luck to them.
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30 bags if you want a Green Thumb franchise http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/education/1577048.stm
That was 20 years ago. I’d suspect it costs considerably more now. 220 francisees would suggest its a business model that works though. Good luck to them.
Exactly it does work for Green Thumb, and I bet they don’t get all the work in for all of their franchisees.
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All joking aside the 7 points I’ve mentioned will get you enough work to get you started you don’t need to spend a penny,bit of initiative shoe leather and persistence always works with window cleaning and who knows it might not be for you and if it’s not it ain’t cost you anything.
NWH
How long have you been window cleaning for?
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I have to some what agree with NWH why would you choose the ionic franchise over some like Vins or Damiens that supply customers and get you turning over money from day one.
It's easy to say others do not supply customers but please you can't compare almost national house hold names to a local company with a couple of vans.
Green thumb,Chips away,Dyno rod etc are all very, very well known brands and trusted brands with a proven track record the same goes for the likes of McDonald's and costa if you're even lucky enough to get excepted they very, very rarely fail.
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Green thumb blokes are miserable they do a few where I go,and I’ve been window cleaning a day why are you offering me a franchise opportunity lol. Also Green Thumb in some cases do an awful job they treated a law at one of my jobs huge place they put about 30 sacks of the wrong stuff on the grass,killed most of it she wasn’t happy.
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I have to some what agree with NWH why would you choose the ionic franchise over some like Vins or Damiens that supply customers and get you turning over money from day one.
It's easy to say others do not supply customers but please you can't compare almost national house hold names to a local company with a couple of vans.
Green thumb,Chips away,Dyno rod etc are all very, very well known brands and trusted brands with a proven track record the same goes for the likes of McDonald's and costa if you're even lucky enough to get excepted they very, very rarely fail.
Are you near to me did you smell my coffee ☕️ too I’ve got em queuing up here,it’s called jumping on the band wagon lots of redundancy going about for the grabbing.
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I would target people who know nothing at all about the cleaning of windows if someone is providing leaflets and business cards and a business name what are they getting for their money,who’s buying into this do they not see that they could be doing the same thing for thereselves for 100 odd quid 🤣🤣.
I’d like a few more reasons as to why this is no different to driving down the road and chucking good money out the window please.
I'd like to know why you've got nearly 14000 posts on an internet forum? that's stupid!
Because I have the time to be on here.
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
All this chat and no ones saying how much you want and how much I’ll get I’m hearing a lot of 💨,if someone thinks they need to pay 1000s to start window cleaning good luck to them once they’ve been doing it a while they’ll realise they didn’t,it’s like paying money to have a bloke on the other end of the phone for advise 🤣🤣🤣
My franchise buy in price varies on how much the guy wants to earn vs how quickly he wants to get there.
My packages start from £4,999 and includes a Grippa max system, electric hose reel and decent poles etc as standard.
As for t shirts, we wear polo shirts.
The thing with my packages is the end result is still the same. Unlimited earning potential.
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
All this chat and no ones saying how much you want and how much I’ll get I’m hearing a lot of 💨,if someone thinks they need to pay 1000s to start window cleaning good luck to them once they’ve been doing it a while they’ll realise they didn’t,it’s like paying money to have a bloke on the other end of the phone for advise 🤣🤣🤣
My franchise buy in price varies on how much the guy wants to earn vs how quickly he wants to get there.
My packages start from £4,999 and includes a Grippa max system, electric hose reel and decent poles etc as standard.
As for t shirts, we wear polo shirts.
The thing with my packages is the end result is still the same. Unlimited earning potential.
That is a very reasonable package price and I can see that being an attractive option for any new start ups. Do you take more than the average in royalties to compensate for the low franchise cost?
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I think you’ll find that’s the starting price or some would say deposit.
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So many companies offer both now.
DPD and footlocker I didn’t realise are franchises as well.
Won’t be yet but I’ve had a chat with my franchisees and we have a surprise for Nigel ;D ;D
All this chat and no ones saying how much you want and how much I’ll get I’m hearing a lot of 💨,if someone thinks they need to pay 1000s to start window cleaning good luck to them once they’ve been doing it a while they’ll realise they didn’t,it’s like paying money to have a bloke on the other end of the phone for advise 🤣🤣🤣
My franchise buy in price varies on how much the guy wants to earn vs how quickly he wants to get there.
My packages start from £4,999 and includes a Grippa max system, electric hose reel and decent poles etc as standard.
As for t shirts, we wear polo shirts.
The thing with my packages is the end result is still the same. Unlimited earning potential.
That is a very reasonable package price and I can see that being an attractive option for any new start ups. Do you take more than the average in royalties to compensate for the low franchise cost?
Nope, my royalty fee is 20% which is about the norm I think.
I’m changing my packages very soon as I’ve come up with a better deal for franchisees and myself actually.
A I was taught from day 1 not to make a profit on the package.
B I made a small loss on my second guy but after 3 months I was in profit.
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The hard part is going to be finding a franchisee.
Ive just started advertising mine, had a couple of enquiries but nothing worth following up, can see this being a long road...
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Finding the right person is hard! Lots of interest but your'e looking for a type of person who you will want to join.
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Finding the right person is hard! Lots of interest but your'e looking for a type of person who you will want to join.
Yeah that’s the problem these call centres have when you answer the phone and they say don’t put the phone down don’t put the phone down 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Finding the right person is hard! Lots of interest but your'e looking for a type of person who you will want to join.
There’s always people out there that are looking for that certain type of person lol,I tell you what you are looking for and that’s someone that knows absolutely nothing about window cleaning fair play to you if you can find people,today I saw Lord Lucan riding Shergar chasing a Unicorn 🦄 🤣🤣🤣 after seeing this I thought to myself it takes all kinds of people lol.
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I spoke to a guy who had started a carpet cleaning business and was interested in adding window cleaning. Straight away it would be a no in my head as he's already tried. After a few days chatting he's going to try it himself, which i knew from the start.
I've been taking in a guy to help me out as we're swamped with work and new leads at the moment. He's JUST informed me he wants a franchise and to start asap.
So yes NWH there are people out there.
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I see you keep saying there are people out there and that’s so so true but the fact of the matter is these people are in the dark as to what’s involved in getting started,the equipment and new van they might have seen has blinded them to how easy it can be with a bit of shoe leather and common sense.
Yes there are people out there but then again there always will be like they’ll always be some little old girl getting her savings taken off her and people that think just because you invest in the stock market you’ll make money,when these people delve a little deeper they see the light 💡 only sometimes it’s a little dim lol.
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Someone once said to me “A fool and his money are soon parted”how true that is,very similar to “If it looks to good to be true it probably is”
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During the gold rush the miners lost money,the people who made the money were the ones selling the picks and shovels.
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Is it so hard to grasp that some people in the world would rather buy a franchise than trying it alone?
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blimey did i just read 11 pages of this
4/5 people who it works for
and 1 person who says no and know all the answers yet never tried
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No it’s not but the only people that will buy into it are people that know absolutely nothing about being self employed and the service industry,it will attract someone that has for example redundancy and wants a change from office work.
My opinion obviously you’d never attract anyone that’s cleaned a window for someone else unless they were caught chewing wallpaper in the corner whilst dribbling.
This has got to be one of the easiest businesses in history to get started in.
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No it’s not but the only people that will buy into it are people that know absolutely nothing about being self employed and the service industry,it will attract someone that has for example redundancy and wants a change from office work.
My opinion obviously you’d never attract anyone that’s cleaned a window for someone else unless they were caught chewing wallpaper in the corner whilst dribbling.
This has got to be one of the easiest businesses in history to get started in.
LOL, everyone that's joined us has been in regular employment but didn't like their job.
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No it’s not but the only people that will buy into it are people that know absolutely nothing about being self employed and the service industry,it will attract someone that has for example redundancy and wants a change from office work.
My opinion obviously you’d never attract anyone that’s cleaned a window for someone else unless they were caught chewing wallpaper in the corner whilst dribbling.
This has got to be one of the easiest businesses in history to get started in.
I used to quite like your posts sometimes, but now you are just full of rubbish. You blather on and on with nonsense. Whatever anyone says you leave a comment with stupid remarks. Then normally a comment straight underneath with more stupid remarks.
There’s people on here who employ and make very good money. There’s people on here who franchise and make very good money. There’s sole traders on here who make very good money.
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No it’s not but the only people that will buy into it are people that know absolutely nothing about being self employed and the service industry,it will attract someone that has for example redundancy and wants a change from office work.
My opinion obviously you’d never attract anyone that’s cleaned a window for someone else unless they were caught chewing wallpaper in the corner whilst dribbling.
This has got to be one of the easiest businesses in history to get started in.
I used to quite like your posts sometimes, but now you are just full of rubbish. You blather on and on with nonsense. Whatever anyone says you leave a comment with stupid remarks. Then normally a comment straight underneath with more stupid remarks.
There’s people on here who employ and make very good money. There’s people on here who franchise and make very good money. There’s sole traders on here who make very good money.
and then there NWH ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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omg is this still going on
dog and bone comes to mind ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If anyone wants any I’m offering huge discounts on fresh air 💨 💨
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No it’s not but the only people that will buy into it are people that know absolutely nothing about being self employed and the service industry,it will attract someone that has for example redundancy and wants a change from office work.
My opinion obviously you’d never attract anyone that’s cleaned a window for someone else unless they were caught chewing wallpaper in the corner whilst dribbling.
This has got to be one of the easiest businesses in history to get started in.
Says the man who couldn't even start his own business ;D ;D ;D
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Lol you know very little how are those 🐒 of yours Smudger I hope you’re feeding em well 🍌.
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I’ll offer any advise to someone wanting to start window cleaning shall we say £5000,full training given learning to actually do the job will take months but as far as setting up goes by the time you’ve finished you’re coffee you’ll get the gist I’ll tell you what we can go Over that on the way to the bank.
Get any problems give me a call don’t forget I want my ongoing 10% lol,where you getting these people from 🤣🤣🤣.
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I’ll offer any advise to someone wanting to start window cleaning shall we say £5000,full training given learning to actually do the job will take months but as far as setting up goes by the time you’ve finished you’re coffee you’ll get the gist I’ll tell you what we can go Over that on the way to the bank.
Get any problems give me a call don’t forget I want my ongoing 10% lol,where you getting these people from 🤣🤣🤣.
surely you must have to pay your father ::)roll ::)roll ;D ;D ;D
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My father is Dead frankie just like your personality or the person you go to bed with,and I wouldn’t give him a penny m8 I brought it back from the dead do you want some tips 🤣🤣🤣
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Just leaving this here for NWH...
https://www.flipsnack.com/iconicwindowcleaning/iconic-window-cleaning-franchise-prospectus.html
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Just leaving this here for NWH...
https://www.flipsnack.com/iconicwindowcleaning/iconic-window-cleaning-franchise-prospectus.html
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Just leaving this here for NWH...
https://www.flipsnack.com/iconicwindowcleaning/iconic-window-cleaning-franchise-prospectus.html
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Couple of Questions Andy.
In your info you advertise that the expected turnover in year 1 is £48930.00.
Do you think that is achievable and realistic baring in mind that you will be supplying them with no work?
In year 2 the expected turnover is £56269.00
If it’s possible to pick up £48k of work in year 1, why only an extra £7k in the second year?
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Just leaving this here for NWH...
https://www.flipsnack.com/iconicwindowcleaning/iconic-window-cleaning-franchise-prospectus.html
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Couple of Questions Andy.
In your info you advertise that the expected turnover in year 1 is £48930.00.
Do you think that is achievable and realistic baring in mind that you will be supplying them with no work?
In year 2 the expected turnover is £56269.00
If it’s possible to pick up £48k of work in year 1, why only an extra £7k in the second year?
Good questions.
Yes the £48930 should be achievable with our marketing help.
In year 2 they will have less time to get new work in, year 2 and 3 will be all about refining their customer base so that the end of year 3 target is achievable.
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small point here first year as stated just shy of 49K earning or is it 49k of work on your books? as Deege said that seems high considering its from a standing start ....
Darran
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M8 I’ve already read this on that website a week or 2 weeks ago when we were talking about this,I’ve made my views clear about it I’m surprised tbh that you haven’t been had for copyright by now with that name I’ve known people get caught for less.
All I can say is on the matter without dragging all this up again is that if I sat down with one of you’re potentials they might think again once I’d had a chat with them as I’ve said it’s easy to get setup.
Much love and peace on earth 😘
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I know people that have been doing it years and don’t see that return albeit they are happy enough plodding but it’s not physically easy cleaning that amount to a good standard when you don’t know what you are doing and after 2 years you are still learning,ok a grand a week any window cleaner that’s been at it years should be doing that off of a ladder but you don’t get 5 straight days at 200 a day weather etc and holidays,if you want a 1000 a week cleaning windows every week I’d aim for 1500 you might get somewhere close.
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Don’t want to sound to critical but I really don’t like businesses using the words ‘ head office ’ unless of course you do have a head office? but more times than not the reality is they are actually trading from a residential address.
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I like the flipbook idea, think i will pinch that for my website.
Looks good
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It reads realistic and achievable like I say I’d like to see a lot of window cleaners that have been at a while agree with you lol,someone that’s not done this job before learn how everything works they then have to know where they are going from job to job,they then need to know how and where to set up at each job to make it easier to clean.
2 years from scratch and also adding to the fact they’ve never cleaned a window and they’ve got to get the work,anyone who thinks on the whole this is “achievable “ is a fool.
Buy a round you’ll lose work for different reasons people liked them they don’t like you,the other guy did a better job the list is endless but you from day one you advertise for more work you leaflet and replace lost jobs,you invest money and you learn as you go this is tangible although some may say it’s goodwill it’s better than someone selling you a dream called “Bulls**T”.
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I could set this up tomorrow i wouldn’t do it to someone then again I wouldn’t take candy from a baby either.
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I’m just gonna go and put the kettle on at my head office oh sorry I mean I’m going to the kitchen 🤣🤣
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At just over £15.5k buy in and they still have to buy a van and don't have a single customer to clean I really can't see the appeal of your franchise over others.
Good luck to you and your time is money to teach them, but any one buying into this is probably incapable of running their own business.
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someone that’s not done this job before learn how everything works they then have to know where they are going from job to job,they then need to know how and where to set up at each job to make it easier to clean.
2 years from scratch and also adding to the fact they’ve never cleaned a window and they’ve got to get the work,anyone who thinks on the whole this is “achievable “ is a fool.
Isn't that sort of the point with franchising - i.e. to not have to learn how things work, what marketing works, how to play your jobs, how to setup for each job etc. A franchise is all about using tried and trusted methods to quickly be up to speed and earn big in first year.
I'm not saying I would buy a windy franchise but there are advantages to having the whole system packaged up and bought plus on going support and advice from someone who has the years of knowledge on the job.
Think about it, what the franchisee is paying for is a quick jump forwards and not having to spend years refining how they manage things and work. They will still have a lot of learning to do but will probably be 2 years ahead of a new starter relying purely on themselves.
Imagine yourself back the first year you started. Could you have started your business faster knowing the knowledge you have now? I guess the answer is Yes. OK so skills on the glass will still take time, a long time to master, but a franchisee will have a head start on someone with zero experience.
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Wrong a person buying an established round-business would be gradually handed over you’d work it with them for at least a few months if you wanted top dollar for it,the customers would be more inclined to give them a chance so there’s less comeback on the person that had it for years.
You said it more or less yourself anyone buying into this wouldn’t know anything about being self employed or going into business on their own hence doing it in the first place,someone is paying money in this case for a chat on how to do it off you go thanks very much leave the envelope stuffed with cash on the table please,this shouldn’t even be up for a debate only a right 🍋 would go this route but maybe that’s what they look out for.
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We have franchises round my way and I talk to the guys now and again.
The guys are all happy to work for a franchise.
Yes it's obviously hard work and a percentage goes back to the franchise, but they are happy with that.
These are not the kind of guys who want to look at new types of marketing strategies, do 'SWAT' analysis or look at 'Exit Plans'. These guys just want to turn up, clean, be nice, smile a lot and go home to their families.
As far as I know, all the work is already supplied and so is free water for each franchisee.
NWH, mate you do rattle on a bit, but I can see your passion for people not getting ripped off and I do agree, to a degree!
When I first started, I went out with a mate (window cleaner) who taught me ladders, mops and blades.
But then I went on a days course (i think it was Swindon, some window cleaning academy or something). It was actually very good and well run.
Nigel, why don't you set up something like that?
Rather than people buying a franchise, give them a few days training in all aspects of window cleaning, marketing and growth?
They could give you £1K rather than £12K to a franchise?
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That was run by ionic not “iconic” can you see the similarities it was part of certain packages they made money in the 90s this was all new,back then if most people looked in the back of a van they’d never had thought it could be done with a Shurflo crop sprayer hose reel and holding tank lol made a killing I would think.
If people buy into this good luck to em I just like to do the decent thing every now and again and save a sucker.