Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: AuRavelling79 on January 20, 2021, 03:54:27 pm
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
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I'm starting to here a lot of stories like that
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Sounds like Daz, he’s been accepting a cuppa from customers ;D
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Regarding cuppas, I'm declining when I can or just pouring them on the plants.
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theres no way i was gonna refuse a coffee today in all this rain!......i had two made for me by my customers......i also picked up a new job but ill clean it in 2 months time next time im in the area..... :)
i even came home at lunchtime to change clothes as i was soaked through even with wet weather gear on!i changed EVERYTHING apart from my polo shirt! ;D
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I’ve been accepting teas/coffee’s.
If I can still get a takeaway brew from a coffee shop, then I’ll carry on taking brews from customers!
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I never have a cuppa from customers,far too busy for that.
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I always ask them to put a drop of brandy in with it to kill the germs
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I clean an NHS doctors surgery internally and have done through lockdown.They always offer a tea.
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I do 2 doctors and a surgeon they’ve all had me do insides what does that tell you.
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I do 2 doctors and a surgeon they’ve all had me do insides what does that tell you.
That they wanted their inside windows cleaned with no thought for your welfare ???
I cleaned for a customer yesterday who's neighbours came out to pay me after she called them on phone. Although having shielded and not left the house in over 6 months she had a fall at home. Just come out of hospital and now has covid. What does that tell you ?
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I do 2 doctors and a surgeon they’ve all had me do insides what does that tell you.
It tells me that the NHS are into weird orgies and have zero standards in who they ask...
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I’ve been accepting teas/coffee’s.
If I can still get a takeaway brew from a coffee shop, then I’ll carry on taking brews from customers!
A takeaway coffee shops staff will wear a mask and be wearing gloves or at least regularly hand sanitising plus you'll be drinking from a single use disposable cup.
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If they are wearing them now it may be too late because most of last year when I went into coffee shops they’d have a mask 😷 on and then put their bare palm over the top of the cup when they handed it to you lol,it’s nonsense if you haven’t had it you are immune and a spreader they don’t even know the other day I saw Boris Johnson scratching his elbow and then said cor crykey my Arse itches 🤣🤣🤣
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
Sorry but only a fool would accept any food or drink from anyone at this time customers will offer it and mean well by doing so , but come on who is stupid enough to accept it , why have so many in the hospitality sector gone down with covid ??? It’s not rocket science to protect yourself especially with us working outside .
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
Sorry but only a fool would accept any food or drink from anyone at this time customers will offer it and mean well by doing so , but come on who is stupid enough to accept it , why have so many in the hospitality sector gone down with covid ??? It’s not rocket science to protect yourself especially with us working outside .
Which is precisely why I put the post up. We can all be unthinking fools or caught off guard. If it makes us hesitate before contact then maybe we can save ourselves or our loved ones a lot of grief.
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Most of us with get the virus anyway or will have had it and not even know about it according to one of my customers who's an NHS nurse.....we cant stop it...only slow the spread....
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
Sorry but only a fool would accept any food or drink from anyone at this time customers will offer it and mean well by doing so , but come on who is stupid enough to accept it , why have so many in the hospitality sector gone down with covid ??? It’s not rocket science to protect yourself especially with us working outside .
A bit harsh to be labelling people fools and stupid. I'm sure we've all "slipped up" at some point. With regards to hospitality sector ( my sister being one of them ) its the disregard by the general paying public for mask wearing and social distance etc. thats the issue. She is absolutely hating working right now and the abuse she receives on a daily basis. Same goes for the supermarket and shop workers. Sod the teachers, they don't know how lucky they are. Shop workers on minimum wages have no choice. Apologies for taking what you've said a bit out of context but I wanted to have a little rant ;D
But I agree, we all need to take a step back and think for ourselves before acting and not rely on government guidance or scientists advice, WE are all ultimately responsible for either the spread or reduction in this pandemic.
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
Sorry but only a fool would accept any food or drink from anyone at this time customers will offer it and mean well by doing so , but come on who is stupid enough to accept it , why have so many in the hospitality sector gone down with covid ??? It’s not rocket science to protect yourself especially with us working outside .
A bit harsh to be labelling people fools and stupid. I'm sure we've all "slipped up" at some point. With regards to hospitality sector ( my sister being one of them ) its the disregard by the general paying public for mask wearing and social distance etc. thats the issue. She is absolutely hating working right now and the abuse she receives on a daily basis. Same goes for the supermarket and shop workers. Sod the teachers, they don't know how lucky they are. Shop workers on minimum wages have no choice. Apologies for taking what you've said a bit out of context but I wanted to have a little rant ;D
But I agree, we all need to take a step back and think for ourselves before acting and not rely on government guidance or scientists advice, WE are all ultimately responsible for either the spread or reduction in this pandemic.
I totally agree with you but we are all responsible for our and others safety accepting any food and drink from a customer at this time is just crazy , we are all used to driving for many years but don’t forget to stop at a junction or red traffic light , it’s exactly the same now with not accepting food and drink , it’s just common sense , and looking after ourselves .
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I didnt mind not accepting tea and coffee during the first lockdown as it was spring and nice weather....
Sod refusing brews in the winter!
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I didnt mind not accepting tea and coffee during the first lockdown as it was spring and nice weather....
Sod refusing brews in the winter!
Perhaps some sort of flask might ameliorate the problem; along with cheese and pickle sandwiches wrapped in greaseproof paper, a packet of Smith's Salt 'n' Shake crisps and a Granny Smith's apple.
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Beware the Ides of March (and January and February).
Julius Caesar did the internal windows of a GP's surgery, NHS nurse's prefab and Bobby Ball's bungalow.
What does that tell you?
"The Ides of March are come". "Aye, Caesar; but not gone".
"Et tu, Brute?"
Wise words, Malc; wise words.
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
Sorry but only a fool would accept any food or drink from anyone at this time customers will offer it and mean well by doing so , but come on who is stupid enough to accept it , why have so many in the hospitality sector gone down with covid ??? It’s not rocket science to protect yourself especially with us working outside .
A bit harsh to be labelling people fools and stupid. I'm sure we've all "slipped up" at some point. With regards to hospitality sector ( my sister being one of them ) its the disregard by the general paying public for mask wearing and social distance etc. thats the issue. She is absolutely hating working right now and the abuse she receives on a daily basis. Same goes for the supermarket and shop workers. Sod the teachers, they don't know how lucky they are. Shop workers on minimum wages have no choice. Apologies for taking what you've said a bit out of context but I wanted to have a little rant ;D
But I agree, we all need to take a step back and think for ourselves before acting and not rely on government guidance or scientists advice, WE are all ultimately responsible for either the spread or reduction in this pandemic.
Silly comment really. In my experience Teachers are working extremely hard at the moment. Teaching the 50% of kids that are still in school whilst setting work for the 50% that are homeschooling. All whilst being exposed to the virus and not being on any preferred list for early vaccination.
If your issue is that they earn more than shop workers then shop workers could always pay themselves through 5 years of education and give teaching a go.
But yeh, accepting brews from customers at the moment is a bit silly, I agree with that much.
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This is the first time I have heard of Covid being caught at work by a mainly wfp domestic window cleaner.
Here's the story. A local window cleaner caught Covid just as he was going back to work at the start of January. (It may have been between Xmas and the New Year) He was really rough with it - passed it on to his wife and kids. He and his wife were on the point of calling an ambulance for him about seven to eight days in but they didn't and they are through it although he is only working light duties this week.
He had it first and he is pretty sure he got it as he unwisely accepted a cuppa at a customer's who later informed him he was unwell and tested positive.
Unusually for this type of reaction they are both young (late 30's) and no known underlying issues or excess weight.
I have not heard this first hand, but his wife told my wife and she told me.
Sorry but only a fool would accept any food or drink from anyone at this time customers will offer it and mean well by doing so , but come on who is stupid enough to accept it , why have so many in the hospitality sector gone down with covid ??? It’s not rocket science to protect yourself especially with us working outside .
A bit harsh to be labelling people fools and stupid. I'm sure we've all "slipped up" at some point. With regards to hospitality sector ( my sister being one of them ) its the disregard by the general paying public for mask wearing and social distance etc. thats the issue. She is absolutely hating working right now and the abuse she receives on a daily basis. Same goes for the supermarket and shop workers. Sod the teachers, they don't know how lucky they are. Shop workers on minimum wages have no choice. Apologies for taking what you've said a bit out of context but I wanted to have a little rant ;D
But I agree, we all need to take a step back and think for ourselves before acting and not rely on government guidance or scientists advice, WE are all ultimately responsible for either the spread or reduction in this pandemic.
Silly comment really. In my experience Teachers are working extremely hard at the moment. Teaching the 50% of kids that are still in school whilst setting work for the 50% that are homeschooling. All whilst being exposed to the virus and not being on any preferred list for early vaccination.
If your issue is that they earn more than shop workers then shop workers could always pay themselves through 5 years of education and give teaching a go.
But yeh, accepting brews from customers at the moment is a silly, I agree with that much.
There’sa lot of unpleasantness towards teachers. Good post.
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Nothing to do with shop workers earning less than teachers. Both deserve our respect. I could have worded my previous comment better .
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Nothing to do with shop workers earning less than teachers. Both deserve our respect. I could have worded my previous comment better .
Agree they are all doing a great job, along with the front line NHS and Care staff. We as window cleaners have mostly had it incredibly easy compared to those above.
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I have accepted the odd brew here and there but not since before Xmas. The OP definitely raises a valid point and one we should all be careful about. Take a flask to work.
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I didnt mind not accepting tea and coffee during the first lockdown as it was spring and nice weather....
Sod refusing brews in the winter!
Perhaps some sort of flask might ameliorate the problem; along with cheese and pickle sandwiches wrapped in greaseproof paper, a packet of Smith's Salt 'n' Shake crisps and a Granny Smith's apple.
I always take a flask of tea for lunchtime...👍😄
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Splash and dash is calling us fools for accepting the odd brew here and there but happily accepts cash as a form of payment from some customers..... ;D.....
I bet him and his staff DONT clean every note and coin and clean their hands after handling it......😄
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I've got 7 domestics and 3 commercial jobs to clean today....I never get offers of a brew on this run.....and all customers pay online....
Does that make me covid safe today?👍😄
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Splash and dash is calling us fools for accepting the odd brew here and there but happily accepts cash as a form of payment from some customers..... ;D.....
I bet him and his staff DONT clean every note and coin and clean their hands after handling it......😄
I do and I clean it once home, a dedicated pocket kept separate from my clean cash and handled with gloves.
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Splash and dash is calling us fools for accepting the odd brew here and there but happily accepts cash as a form of payment from some customers..... ;D.....
I bet him and his staff DONT clean every note and coin and clean their hands after handling it......😄
You DON’T need to clean it tho do you! Just put it straight in a tub or similar and don’t touch it for a few days. Keep your distance when receiving cash and sanitise your gloves/hands after handling ........a bit safer than accepting a cuppa eh?
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Hey!
I had covid in Novemeber, everyone else in my house tested negative which leads to me to think i did catch it whilst working.
Or the supermarket :)
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What if I put some sanitiser in my tea, would that make it covid secure?
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What if I put some sanitiser in my tea, would that make it covid secure?
It would improve the taste very often. ;)
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Splash and dash is calling us fools for accepting the odd brew here and there but happily accepts cash as a form of payment from some customers..... ;D.....
I bet him and his staff DONT clean every note and coin and clean their hands after handling it......😄
Yeah, but you put money to your mouth 👄
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Splash and dash is calling us fools for accepting the odd brew here and there but happily accepts cash as a form of payment from some customers..... ;D.....
I bet him and his staff DONT clean every note and coin and clean their hands after handling it......😄
We haven’t been accepting cash since last March 😂😂😷😷😷
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Splash and dash is calling us fools for accepting the odd brew here and there but happily accepts cash as a form of payment from some customers..... ;D.....
I bet him and his staff DONT clean every note and coin and clean their hands after handling it......😄
We haven’t been accepting cash since last March 😂😂😷😷😷
Did you make them pay their Xmas tips on-line?
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Sorry to say this but I don't believe he caught covid through having the cuppa ,basically what your saying is all he's done is go to work have a cuppa finish work then home ,doesn't go anywhere else think it's a load of bull
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What if I put some sanitiser in my tea, would that make it covid secure?
Just a little tip i picked up along the way. If you're thirsty then take and drink the tea. If you're not, then leave it. It really is that simple. ;D ;D
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Sorry to say this but I don't believe he caught covid through having the cuppa ,basically what your saying is all he's done is go to work have a cuppa finish work then home ,doesn't go anywhere else think it's a load of bull
Who cares what you think?
HE thinks that's where he got it. So I pass it along and suggest folk are careful.
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This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
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What if I put some sanitiser in my tea, would that make it covid secure?
Just a little tip i picked up along the way. If you're thirsty then take and drink the tea. If you're not, then leave it. It really is that simple. ;D ;D
If I put protein shake in it, will I get rehydrated and buff at the same time?
;D
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We still take cash......
The guys wear a full hazmat suit and pick the money up using special 1 meter long tongs,
The cash is then placed into a heavy fire proof box and sealed
Then at the unit this cash is emptied out in the yard and incinerated
Can't be too careful 😂👍
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This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
If what you want to do is to offer some useful advice please don't hold back any longer ... ;)
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We still take cash......
The guys wear a full hazmat suit and pick the money up using special 1 meter long tongs,
The cash is then placed into a heavy fire proof box and sealed
Then at the unit this cash is emptied out in the yard and incinerated
Can't be too careful 😂👍
Very wise. Nice to have money to burn.
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What if I put some sanitiser in my tea, would that make it covid secure?
Just a little tip i picked up along the way. If you're thirsty then take and drink the tea. If you're not, then leave it. It really is that simple. ;D ;D
CC Tips.
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This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
And this attitude is exactly why the virus is spreading like it is , that’s a totally irresponsible attitude .
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This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
And this attitude is exactly why the virus is spreading like it is , that’s a totally irresponsible attitude .
Well said.
Have you got asthma then, jk999?
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Yes I have Griffin and a lung problem most of my customers bank transfer and if not they always put it in a plastic bag or envelope which someone has previously said don't touch it for days
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Yes I have Griffin and a lung problem most of my customers bank transfer and if not they always put it in a plastic bag or envelope which someone has previously said don't touch it for days
You'll be a moderate risk or clinically vulnerable with Co-vid then. Why take any more chances?
Co-vid might not kill you but it might leave you permanently debilitated, too.
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Yes I have Griffin and a lung problem most of my customers bank transfer and if not they always put it in a plastic bag or envelope which someone has previously said don't touch it for days
So when you say you'll carry on a normal life and nothing is gonna stop you doing what you wanna do, you've obviously never had an inclination to open plastic bags of cash when you get them ? ;D How many days do you leave them for before you open them while you're doing what you normally do ? ;D ;D
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I know but I'm really careful I don't even go in any of the shops or mcds etc as soon as I finish work I go home and stay in
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3 to 4 days
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This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
And this attitude is exactly why the virus is spreading like it is , that’s a totally irresponsible attitude .
Hey just because you splash and dash types don’t have time for a cuppa. ;D
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We still take cash......
The guys wear a full hazmat suit and pick the money up using special 1 meter long tongs,
The cash is then placed into a heavy fire proof box and sealed
Then at the unit this cash is emptied out in the yard and incinerated
Can't be too careful 😂👍
Classic!
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This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
So if you TRULY believe that I assume you don't look before you cross the road or wear a seat belt. After all if it's going to happen it will.
And while you just 'do what you want' if you happen to get infected and not isolate, will it be fate if you give it to some poor vulnerable old person and kill them off a few years early. I can't respect that way of thinking
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I know but I'm really careful I don't even go in any of the shops or mcds etc as soon as I finish work I go home and stay in
Is that living a normal life and doing what you want to do ?
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Jk999 is not doing what he wants though....unless staying in all the time(apart from working)is the norm for him.
Apart from working and taking the dog for a walk I go food shopping once a week,check up on my mum twice a week.....the rest of the time I'm staying in like everybody else...most customers pay online or card,I dont go inside customers houses but I will accept the odd cup of coffee....
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True dazmond 🙂👍
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Jk999 is not doing what he wants though....unless staying in all the time(apart from working)is the norm for him.
Apart from working and taking the dog for a walk I go food shopping once a week,check up on my mum twice a week.....the rest of the time I'm staying in like everybody else...most customers pay online or card,I dont go inside customers houses but I will accept the odd cup of coffee....
I prefer normal coffee.
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I know but I'm really careful I don't even go in any of the shops or mcds etc as soon as I finish work I go home and stay in
So you lead a new normal life? :D
Drink Yorkshire Tea, it kills Co-vid when brewed for long enough.
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
That’s right, let’s all run around freely and increase the likelihood of swamping an already overstretched NHS. All these professors, doctors, nurses, patients, people who have lost loved ones etc, etc, must be really good actors. I suspect we will see them in the next series of Casualty.
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
i agree...its not our fault the NHS cant cope!......and just because it cant the government shuts down our economy?its cant be right....many many more people will die/suffer from keeping our economy shut down for prolonged periods than covid deaths(suicides,businesses ruined,etc.)
what they should do is build make shift hospitals and get the army medical teams and volunteers to help out.....
of course i do agree we should keep wearing masks,social distancing where we can and keep sanitizing/washing our hands but lockdown is madness esp if it goes on for many months.....
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Yes mate, we can have measures in place and open things up.
This is the problem with the NHS, understaffed and too few hospitals.
Death is a reality, you cannot shut the economy over it. They should be using the nightingale hospitals, yet they tore the London one down! £100 million wasted!
The average age of Covid death is nearly 83.
Isolate the old and vulnerable (if they want to)
The rest should be free.
And you’re right Daz, it isn’t out fault the NHS can’t cope.
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Yes mate, we can have measures in place and open things up.
This is the problem with the NHS, understaffed and too few hospitals.
Death is a reality, you cannot shut the economy over it. They should be using the nightingale hospitals, yet they tore the London one down! £100 million wasted!
The average age of Covid death is nearly 83.
Isolate the old and vulnerable (if they want to)
The rest should be free.
And you’re right Daz, it isn’t out fault the NHS can’t cope.
They haven’t got the staff to put in the nightingale hospitals that’s the problem , so they are a waist of time and money .
A lot of the deaths could be reduced quite dramatically if people used a bit of common sense rather than demand there rights , lockdown is just a way to try and keep people apart beacause they cannot use common sense , look at that wedding party in London yesterday with 400 people there total madness and they should all be fined and named and shamed in there community as far as Ime concerned.
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Yes mate, we can have measures in place and open things up.
This is the problem with the NHS, understaffed and too few hospitals.
Death is a reality, you cannot shut the economy over it. They should be using the nightingale hospitals, yet they tore the London one down! £100 million wasted!
The average age of Covid death is nearly 83.
Isolate the old and vulnerable (if they want to)
The rest should be free.
And you’re right Daz, it isn’t out fault the NHS can’t cope.
They haven’t got the staff to put in the nightingale hospitals that’s the problem , so they are a waist of time and money .
A lot of the deaths could be reduced quite dramatically if people used a bit of common sense rather than demand there rights , lockdown is just a way to try and keep people apart beacause they cannot use common sense , look at that wedding party in London yesterday with 400 people there total madness and they should all be fined and named and shamed in there community as far as Ime concerned.
That's just taking the pee..
It should be death by firing squad for all 400 people......👍
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Forget the hospitals they should be building make shift prisons to put each and every 1 of that 400 in,I go to work because I’m out in the open not near anyone but groups of people gathering together is selfish and stupid.
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
How do we live with it without enough people vaccinated?
Lockdowns work, the stats prove that. I don't know of another alternative without mass vaccination.
How do we learn to live with it? Can you give me some examples?
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We have to be careful until we’ve had the 💉 the way I look at it is what difference does another 6 months make,we don’t have a choice.
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We have to be careful until we’ve had the 💉 the way I look at it is what difference does another 6 months make,we don’t have a choice.
What if the vaccines dont work on the new strains from Africa and Brazil?
What then?continuous lockdown for a year?2 years?
Imagine if we hadn't developed a vaccine.....what then?
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I know what you mean Daz but I’m working and that’s it m8 home and exercise and shopping that’s it,there’s nothing else to do at the moment I look at it like we’ve come this far what’s the point in going out and trying to get it.
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We have to be careful until we’ve had the 💉 the way I look at it is what difference does another 6 months make,we don’t have a choice.
What if the vaccines dont work on the new strains from Africa and Brazil?
What then?continuous lockdown for a year?2 years?
Imagine if we hadn't developed a vaccine.....what then?
Exactly.
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I know what you mean Daz but I’m working and that’s it m8 home and exercise and shopping that’s it,there’s nothing else to do at the moment I look at it like we’ve come this far what’s the point in going out and trying to get it.
Never thought I’d think NWH was the voice of reason but...
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its not our fault the NHS cant cope!......
Wow
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We have to be careful until we’ve had the 💉 the way I look at it is what difference does another 6 months make,we don’t have a choice.
What if the vaccines dont work on the new strains from Africa and Brazil?
What then?continuous lockdown for a year?2 years?
Imagine if we hadn't developed a vaccine.....what then?
Then we would have to put up with hospitals full of Covid patients and not being able to get treated for life threatening conditions such as cancer, and a wide variety of debilitating health issues.
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We should throw the old feckers under the bus that fought Hitler, there's a start, what next?
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I know what you mean Daz but I’m working and that’s it m8 home and exercise and shopping that’s it,there’s nothing else to do at the moment I look at it like we’ve come this far what’s the point in going out and trying to get it.
Never thought I’d think NWH was the voice of reason but...
At least it does not stop NWH favourite pastime of posting on CIU. He occasionally even manages to post something sensible.
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I have a lot of issues on the police state b v civil liberties front and it’s a battle we as people have faught for for over 400 years and in some cases longer toll puddle cades rebellion and so on we have a history of rebellion here in uk
Once they get the law on the book they never never repeal them we were attacked assaulted by the police on a motorbike rally by using the laws brought in to quell the miners in my area the council used anti terror laws to spy on bin collectors and a local window cleaner I kid you not my revolutionary days are nearly over but you younger guys never drop the torch
COVID ....
But the hospitals are full of our parents sisters brothers and fellow window cleaners you just don’t know if it’s your turn next as for the hospitals being full in Croydon they have since a certain lady prime minister demolished six hospitals one was next to the ikeas site had one before as a memorial to the ww1 fallen and built by public subscriptions the children’s hospital and the three local mental hospitals all gone and that’s just in my town no wonder they can’t fit the patients in all the space has gone to flats owned and built by ..... friends of the Iron Lady they have you turning on eachother blaming everyone except those who are to blame
I wear a mask out of respect to my fellow citizens be safe guys but as they say don’t believe the hype
curfews next any one ?
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We have to be careful until we’ve had the 💉 the way I look at it is what difference does another 6 months make,we don’t have a choice.
What if the vaccines dont work on the new strains from Africa and Brazil?
What then?continuous lockdown for a year?2 years?
Imagine if we hadn't developed a vaccine.....what then?
Then we would have to put up with hospitals full of Covid patients and not being able to get treated for life threatening conditions such as cancer, and a wide variety of debilitating health issues.
That’s exactly what’s happening now cancer treatment in a lot of hospitals has stoped or greatly reduced
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We should throw the old feckers under the bus that fought Hitler, there's a start, what next?
And those 40% of the population aged over 50 with an under-lying health condition. Next?
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They should really make an example of people in mass gatherings really come down on them,if you are caught at a organised party or mass gathering I would cancel each and everyone’s passport for 2 years for over 18s and that would be just a start with no exceptions.
The worrying thing is old people although they are deserving of this vaccine they can be selfish just like anyone else,they will think it’ll give them free reign to go out and about without a care in the world.
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When people are gathering and not giving a toss what they are saying is if I give it to you and kill you I couldn’t care less.
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We have to be careful until we’ve had the 💉 the way I look at it is what difference does another 6 months make,we don’t have a choice.
What if the vaccines dont work on the new strains from Africa and Brazil?
What then?continuous lockdown for a year?2 years?
Imagine if we hadn't developed a vaccine.....what then?
Then we would have to put up with hospitals full of Covid patients and not being able to get treated for life threatening conditions such as cancer, and a wide variety of debilitating health issues.
That’s exactly what’s happening now cancer treatment in a lot of hospitals has stoped or greatly reduced
Just answering the question of what would happen if we carried on regardless and vaccines do not work.
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If the vaccines don’t work then me personally I would carry on working but still maintain being careful.
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They should really make an example of people in mass gatherings really come down on them,if you are caught at a organised party or mass gathering I would cancel each and everyone’s passport for 2 years for over 18s and that would be just a start with no exceptions.
The worrying thing is old people although they are deserving of this vaccine they can be selfish just like anyone else,they will think it’ll give them free reign to go out and about without a care in the world.
And the point of that would be ??? ???
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So that when the time comes that they want a holiday they won’t be able to have one.
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Puts life in to reality .We are no different to animals
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I think it’s terrible they should be clamping down on people a lot more I could not believe how many walkers I saw today all in one area.
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Agree with you mate first lock down nobody walking
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I drove down a lane normally I see the odd person it’s about a mile and a half long,must have seen 5 couples and 4-5 walking on there.
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I was going to say that the amount of people walking is crazy along with bloody cyclists gobbing and snotting as they go along. They think it's a bloody jolly holiday!
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So that when the time comes that they want a holiday they won’t be able to have one.
So punish all the rule breakers with no holidays for 2 years? 😂
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I think it’s terrible they should be clamping down on people a lot more I could not believe how many walkers I saw today all in one area.
If it’s not safe to walk, it’s not safe to clean windows. Did that occur to you?
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
Not only that deegee, but how utterly pathetic can people be.
If they are taking it all that seriously, they should be staying in 24/7 and on benefits so they don’t need to leave the house.
Pro lockdowners are so unbelievably sensitive and fearful, it’s beyond ridiculous.
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For those who live alone and shielding, mental health is a big challenge for them. Of course they should be allowed to meet in their bubbles and exercise for their own well being. All this doom and gloom for lonesome people is a real challenge trying to stay positive. Those who are fortunate enough not to live alone or able to go to work haven't experienced loneliness and isolation and unless they have been in that situation they really haven't got a clue how anxiety and depression which are linked together can take over someone's mental health problems. Count yourself lucky you are able to work without real serious financial worries, you're lucky.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
Not only that deegee, but how utterly pathetic can people be.
If they are taking it all that seriously, they should be staying in 24/7 and on benefits so they don’t need to leave the house.
Pro lockdowners are so unbelievably sensitive and fearful, it’s beyond ridiculous.
What's a pro lockdowner?
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I am pro lock down, but I go to work and walk the dog.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
The real hate is towards runners. I’ve had to bite my tongue in numerous occasions whilst running.
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I am pro lock down, but I go to work and walk the dog.
Nobody really likes lockdown but that doesn't mean we get rid of it . It works and it's our only option, at the moment.
We have to learn to live with lockdown, not a highly contagious and dangerous virus, for the time being.
And if folk think that the relevant powers are going to skew the numbers just to scare us or to severely damage the economy we have to learn to live with them, too.
Unfortunately.
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I don’t know why they’ve not told runners they can’t run in public areas where other people may be walking,we go for walks along our seafront and you get countless numpty heads running past you a couple feet away spitting and panting if it happens again my foot will be sticking out.
If people want to run at the moment get out on the road and do it,the fools.
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I am pro lock down, but I go to work and walk the dog.
If they did it properly we could get on top of this pretty quickly. This lockdown is nothing like March and that wasn't done right either.
The vaccination roll out would be easier and more effective then too.
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I don’t know why they’ve not told runners they can’t run in public areas where other people may be walking,we go for walks along our seafront and you get countless numpty heads running past you a couple feet away spitting and panting if it happens again my foot will be sticking out.
If people want to run at the moment get out on the road and do it,the fools.
The opinion of the forum idiot is filled appropriately.
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You one of those idiot runners then are you that feel that you’ve got to go to the places where people are walking,get on the roads and run you can snot and breath heavy on the cars instead of innocent people just going for a walk.
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You one of those idiot runners then are you that feel that you’ve got to go to the places where people are walking,get on the roads and run you can snot and breath heavy on the cars instead of innocent people just going for a walk.
Ten posts ago you were moaning about walkers. ;D
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Yeah I was moaning about walkers but the runners are the ones who take the complete P**s coz there they are running panting breathing heavy and spitting everywhere,if you want to run do it away from members of the public just out for a bit of a walk running will ruin you’re knees anyway ask any runner that’s done it for most of their life they will tell you the same.
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Yeah I was moaning about walkers but the runners are the ones who take the complete P**s coz there they are running panting breathing heavy and spitting everywhere,if you want to run do it away from members of the public just out for a bit of a walk running will ruin you’re knees anyway ask any runner that’s done it for most of their life they will tell you the same.
I had a problem with knees but I found once I moved from cold showers to hot ones all my problems went away.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
Not only that deegee, but how utterly pathetic can people be.
If they are taking it all that seriously, they should be staying in 24/7 and on benefits so they don’t need to leave the house.
Pro lockdowners are so unbelievably sensitive and fearful, it’s beyond ridiculous.
What's a pro lockdowner?
Those that seem to love this ‘new normal’.
I hate lockdowns, and as you now know, I’ve got many reasons to be against them. They are causing so many issues.
My stance is, if people want to Sheild, let them, if not crack on. Get the nightingale hospitals open with the army’s help. At the moment there is no real light at the end of the tunnel, just locking down every time there is a winter spike isn’t going to work. Neither is locking down each time there is a ‘new variant’.
It’s going to be an endemic disease, we need to learn to live with it, and live with it normally.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
Not only that deegee, but how utterly pathetic can people be.
If they are taking it all that seriously, they should be staying in 24/7 and on benefits so they don’t need to leave the house.
Pro lockdowners are so unbelievably sensitive and fearful, it’s beyond ridiculous.
What's a pro lockdowner?
Those that seem to love this ‘new normal’.
I hate lockdowns, and as you now know, I’ve got many reasons to be against them. They are causing so many issues.
My stance is, if people want to Sheild, let them, if not crack on. Get the nightingale hospitals open with the army’s help. At the moment there is no real light at the end of the tunnel, just locking down every time there is a winter spike isn’t going to work. Neither is locking down each time there is a ‘new variant’.
It’s going to be an endemic disease, we need to learn to live with it, and live with it normally.
We’vegot a vaccine though so soon we’ll be able to move on. Another 4 weeks according to the government all the over 70s and vulnerable done.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
Not only that deegee, but how utterly pathetic can people be.
If they are taking it all that seriously, they should be staying in 24/7 and on benefits so they don’t need to leave the house.
Pro lockdowners are so unbelievably sensitive and fearful, it’s beyond ridiculous.
What's a pro lockdowner?
Someone on furlough. Paid to stay home.
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Lol we will be in this situation for months and months to come we aren’t even in the woods yet let alone out of it.
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I don’t get the hate towards walkers, it happened during the first lockdown too.
People have been actively encourage exercise, alone or with their support bubble, and have every right to do so.
If it’s inconvenient for you wanting to pass them on a country lane then that’s unfortunate but they’ve as much right as you to be there.
Not only that deegee, but how utterly pathetic can people be.
If they are taking it all that seriously, they should be staying in 24/7 and on benefits so they don’t need to leave the house.
Pro lockdowners are so unbelievably sensitive and fearful, it’s beyond ridiculous.
What's a pro lockdowner?
Someone on furlough. Paid to stay home.
Yeah, but there's still nowt to do.
I could claim the latest grant and maybe the next one- or two- but I'd sooner work and have things back to as normal.
I think the restrictions outweigh getting paid for not having to go to work.
On that note, skivers, the cut off date for the latest grant is next Friday.
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Just get the pubs open . . Shut everything else . Sorted
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I know of a window cleaner who is covid positive , he thinks he got it off his kids who are at school but live mostly with his ex , Told me he felt ill Monday had a test Tuesday came back positive Wednesday,so he is isolating for 10 days.
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And get the barbers open . Had to sneak in early Friday morning , and pay double . Taking the pee they are .
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And get the barbers open . Had to sneak in early Friday morning , and pay double . Taking the pee they are .
Anything for the weekend?
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Then I went and filled the boot of the merc with chateauneuf du pape . Ready for my birthday on Saturday. I shouldn’t have bothered , everybody that turned up brought a bottle . Well it never goes to waste . Anyone noticed that Wayghu steak as gone up in price . Cost me a days pay to feed 25 .
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
Can there be Public freedom without public health?
If people feel afraid of dying and would like it to be safe for them to move around freely, then they are not free if end lockdown
What you could be saying there is 'I believe in my public freedom'
If we got rid off speed limits, you could think it would make people more free, but not really, it would result in less freedom for those who want to feel safer the roads, but more freedom for people who like to speed.
There's a balance to be struck, that's how society works
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And the balance is . Get the teachers jabbed up . Get the schools open . If you dont wanna send your kid dont . If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
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And the balance is . Get the teachers jabbed up . Get the schools open . If you dont wanna send your kid dont . If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I’m sure we’dbe doing that if it didn’t cause the hospitals to be overwhelmed. The thing is, if they are overwhelmed and some more worthy bloke in his 30s has a car crash and needs an ICU bed, there won’t be one for him. Or like me had a cardiac arrest in his 50s and spent 6 days in a coma in ICU just at the end of the first lockdown, there won’t be a bed because it’s full of Covid patients. I wouldn’t want to have one now.
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Well I spoke to soon the other day came down seriously ill on Friday had a test and it's come back positive, just phoned docs for some medication they wanted to send an ambulance for me but wife told them we would try the medication 1st antibiotics and steroids 😭😭😭
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Well I spoke to soon the other day came down seriously ill on Friday had a test and it's come back positive, just phoned docs for some medication they wanted to send an ambulance for me but wife told them we would try the medication 1st antibiotics and steroids 😭😭😭
Well if you pop it, at least you were prepared for it and comfortable with dying eh?
This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
What size boots are you?
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I’m sure we’dbe doing that if it didn’t cause the hospitals to be overwhelmed. The thing is, if they are overwhelmed and some more worthy bloke in his 30s has a car crash and needs an ICU bed, there won’t be one for him. Or like me had a cardiac arrest in his 50s and spent 6 days in a coma in ICU just at the end of the first lockdown, there won’t be a bed because it’s full of Covid patients. I wouldn’t want to have one now.
Not sure I’d of wanted a cardiac arrest after the first lockdown either...in fact I can’t really think of a good time to have one :-\
Maybe just before I have to see the in laws if I had to choose?
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I’m sure we’dbe doing that if it didn’t cause the hospitals to be overwhelmed. The thing is, if they are overwhelmed and some more worthy bloke in his 30s has a car crash and needs an ICU bed, there won’t be one for him. Or like me had a cardiac arrest in his 50s and spent 6 days in a coma in ICU just at the end of the first lockdown, there won’t be a bed because it’s full of Covid patients. I wouldn’t want to have one now.
Not sure I’d of wanted a cardiac arrest after the first lockdown either...in fact I can’t really think of a good time to have one :-\
Maybe just before I have to see the in laws if I had to choose?
No, but nice to know there’s a bed to be looked after. This is the think people seem to struggle with. It’s not how many it kills, it’s how many it puts into hospital that’s the problem.
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Well I spoke to soon the other day came down seriously ill on Friday had a test and it's come back positive, just phoned docs for some medication they wanted to send an ambulance for me but wife told them we would try the medication 1st antibiotics and steroids 😭😭😭
Well if you pop it, at least you were prepared for it and comfortable with dying eh?
This is the way I see things is its like a final destination scenario, which Eva path i take in life if I'm meant to die this year its gonna happen wether it's covid ,asthma attack ,being in a car accident ect its gonna happen ,so I just carry on with a normal life nothing is gonna stop me doing what I want to do 🙂👍
What size boots are you?
Life can have some cruel twists. JK won’t be the only one caught out like this.
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I know size nine boots 😁😁😁
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Joking aside JK999, wish you a speedy recovery. Bearing in mind how careful you say you've been any thoughts on how you may have caught it ?
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If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I agree with this, and to enforce it the Police should do roadside tests. If you test Positive for Covid off to jail for going out with it and potentially spreading it.
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If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I agree with this, and to enforce it the Police should do roadside tests. If you test Positive for Covid off to jail for going out with it and potentially spreading it.
What if you were asymptomatic ?
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If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I agree with this, and to enforce it the Police should do roadside tests. If you test Positive for Covid off to jail for going out with it and potentially spreading it.
What if you were asymptomatic ?
That’s why we have a lockdown.
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If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I agree with this, and to enforce it the Police should do roadside tests. If you test Positive for Covid off to jail for going out with it and potentially spreading it.
What if you were asymptomatic ?
That’s why we have a lockdown.
I know that and you know that but does CleanClear ? :D
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If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I agree with this, and to enforce it the Police should do roadside tests. If you test Positive for Covid off to jail for going out with it and potentially spreading it.
What if you were asymptomatic ?
That’s why we have a lockdown.
I know that and you know that but does CleanClear ? :D
I think he was subtly making exactly the same point.
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Joking aside JK999, wish you a speedy recovery. Bearing in mind how careful you say you've been any thoughts on how you may have caught it ?
On here...
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Joking aside JK999, wish you a speedy recovery. Bearing in mind how careful you say you've been any thoughts on how you may have caught it ?
On here...
Did you make him a cuppa ?
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If you have health issues stop in . But everyone else should not be penalised .
I agree with this, and to enforce it the Police should do roadside tests. If you test Positive for Covid off to jail for going out with it and potentially spreading it.
What if you were asymptomatic ?
That’s why we have a lockdown.
I know that and you know that but does CleanClear ? :D
I think he was subtly making exactly the same point.
😁Too subtle for my covid infected mind 🤐 😷😆👍
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Joking aside JK999, wish you a speedy recovery. Bearing in mind how careful you say you've been any thoughts on how you may have caught it ?
Had a cuppa off a customer? J/K JK999. ;D
Joking aside - get well soon JK999.
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Well I spoke to soon the other day came down seriously ill on Friday had a test and it's come back positive, just phoned docs for some medication they wanted to send an ambulance for me but wife told them we would try the medication 1st antibiotics and steroids 😭😭😭
Well at least you know the number, jk999.
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To be honest I don't know its been wracking my brain all weekend, in all honesty I don't always trust those test results I still think it's a really bad chest infection which I have suffered on and off for years ,it doesn't help at 52 and working in all weather ,🙂👍
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To be honest I don't know its been wracking my brain all weekend, in all honesty I don't always trust those test results I still think it's a really bad chest infection which I have suffered on and off for years ,it doesn't help at 52 and working in all weather ,🙂👍
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, in all honesty I don't always trust those test results
How many tests have you had?!?!
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
Can there be Public freedom without public health?
If people feel afraid of dying and would like it to be safe for them to move around freely, then they are not free if end lockdown
What you could be saying there is 'I believe in my public freedom'
If we got rid off speed limits, you could think it would make people more free, but not really, it would result in less freedom for those who want to feel safer the roads, but more freedom for people who like to speed.
There's a balance to be struck, that's how society works
Of course there can be public freedom without public health, that’s how it’s been for ever.
This is a new way of managing pandemics, we’ve never had lockdowns like this before.
I don’t believe even if we had the staff and doubled the icu bed capacity we’d be out of lockdown. I think this over reaction and new obsession with death has created a mass hysteria which has induced lockdowns.
We need more hospitals, more staff, to cope with this and future pandemics to keep the country open.
That said, it should still be the right of every citizen to choose whether they isolate or not. Being under house arrest is wrong.
Covid is dangerous, yes, but it’s also almost non existent in young people and not a concern for people under 60 by in large.
We should put the money into the health service rather than furlough etc. All we are doing is destroying the economy, destroying mental health, destroying education, destroying businesses, destroying social lives, the list goes on.
We have to except thah death happens. People die, it’s very sad, but we cannot keep running the whole country because of an endemic virus.
The danger is this ‘new normal’ isn’t going away fast, and the amazing thing is, people have actually bought into it and actaully think the government control is good. That’s insane.
Freedom over Health. And again, I have a wife who is a manager at the Colchester general hospital, so that absolutely makes me entitled to this opinion. Especially as I know exactly how bad things are.
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
Can there be Public freedom without public health?
If people feel afraid of dying and would like it to be safe for them to move around freely, then they are not free if end lockdown
What you could be saying there is 'I believe in my public freedom'
If we got rid off speed limits, you could think it would make people more free, but not really, it would result in less freedom for those who want to feel safer the roads, but more freedom for people who like to speed.
There's a balance to be struck, that's how society works
Of course there can be public freedom without public health, that’s how it’s been for ever.
This is a new way of managing pandemics, we’ve never had lockdowns like this before.
I don’t believe even if we had the staff and doubled the icu bed capacity we’d be out of lockdown. I think this over reaction and new obsession with death has created a mass hysteria which has induced lockdowns.
We need more hospitals, more staff, to cope with this and future pandemics to keep the country open.
That said, it should still be the right of every citizen to choose whether they isolate or not. Being under house arrest is wrong.
Covid is dangerous, yes, but it’s also almost non existent in young people and not a concern for people under 60 by in large.
We should put the money into the health service rather than furlough etc. All we are doing is destroying the economy, destroying mental health, destroying education, destroying businesses, destroying social lives, the list goes on.
We have to except thah death happens. People die, it’s very sad, but we cannot keep running the whole country because of an endemic virus.
The danger is this ‘new normal’ isn’t going away fast, and the amazing thing is, people have actually bought into it and actaully think the government control is good. That’s insane.
Freedom over Health. And again, I have a wife who is a manager at the Colchester general hospital, so that absolutely makes me entitled to this opinion. Especially as I know exactly how bad things are.
What do we usually do to deal with pandemics? My memory is a little hazy.
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
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Public freedom is my priority, not public health.
These lockdowns are insane. The fact we are so easily excepting them is beyond me.
If people want to isolate, go ahead, but those that want an open, free country should have that right.
And don’t go saying ‘your a Covid denier’ because I’m not. My wife is a manger at our local nhs hospital. I know how bad it is, I also know how skewed the death figures are.
There will be a disastrous ‘new world order’ following this. It’s very concerning seeing what the rich boys at Davos are chatting about. They are using this Covid hysteria to usher in more control.
We cannot keep locking down every time there is a spike. It is literally insane. We have to learn to live with it.
Lockdowns cause so much excess death, mental health issues, job losses, stress, missed education, obscene economic debt, social issues and more. They are not the answer, we have to learn to live with it.
What are we going to do, lockdown everytime there is a need strain? It’s mental.
Thems my sentiments, and the same for many people I know.
If you love life, you love freedom, not control.
Can there be Public freedom without public health?
If people feel afraid of dying and would like it to be safe for them to move around freely, then they are not free if end lockdown
What you could be saying there is 'I believe in my public freedom'
If we got rid off speed limits, you could think it would make people more free, but not really, it would result in less freedom for those who want to feel safer the roads, but more freedom for people who like to speed.
There's a balance to be struck, that's how society works
Of course there can be public freedom without public health, that’s how it’s been for ever.
This is a new way of managing pandemics, we’ve never had lockdowns like this before.
I don’t believe even if we had the staff and doubled the icu bed capacity we’d be out of lockdown. I think this over reaction and new obsession with death has created a mass hysteria which has induced lockdowns.
We need more hospitals, more staff, to cope with this and future pandemics to keep the country open.
That said, it should still be the right of every citizen to choose whether they isolate or not. Being under house arrest is wrong.
Covid is dangerous, yes, but it’s also almost non existent in young people and not a concern for people under 60 by in large.
We should put the money into the health service rather than furlough etc. All we are doing is destroying the economy, destroying mental health, destroying education, destroying businesses, destroying social lives, the list goes on.
We have to except thah death happens. People die, it’s very sad, but we cannot keep running the whole country because of an endemic virus.
The danger is this ‘new normal’ isn’t going away fast, and the amazing thing is, people have actually bought into it and actaully think the government control is good. That’s insane.
Freedom over Health. And again, I have a wife who is a manager at the Colchester general hospital, so that absolutely makes me entitled to this opinion. Especially as I know exactly how bad things are.
::)roll ::)roll
I would dispute that you know exactly how bad things are; oh, and we’re all absolutely entitled to an opinion.
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
Your facts about the average age of deaths is not correct neither is ones under 60 not being affected , if your wife is in the position you say she is I think she would put you straight on that , one of my daughters is a paramedic and the are constantly dealing with ones that are 16-50 that are severely affected by covid and there have been many deaths in this age range , I agree that every week in this country around 10-12 thousand people die that’s without covid , And the covid death rate is relatively small compared to how many get infected but this is a world wide issue that won’t go away any time soon ,it is highly contagious, and killed otherwise healthy people without any underlying health problems , I dont like lockdowns but it dies help stop the spread if ones abide by the rules unfortunately it’s the only solution at this time .
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It’s only 100,000 dead and not 500,000 because of lockdown.
Those under 60s who are unaffected by it, does that include the 40% of 50-60 year olds with underlying health conditions?
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This virus is highly contagious, human transmittable and it can be spread asymptomatically. You can have a hospital on every street corner but that isn't going to stop it spreading and people dying from it.
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That is right Griff once you get it then it’s down to you and you’re genetic makeup as to how you deal with it,like I say apart from working we are being careful.
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
I sincerely hope that other senior managers within Colchester hospital have a different mindset to that of your wife.
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There’s management and there’s management.
Someone manages the car-park at our local hospital.
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This virus is highly contagious, human transmittable and it can be spread asymptomatically. You can have a hospital on every street corner but that isn't going to stop it spreading and people dying from it.
so we should kill the economy. Ruin peoples businesses , send mums and dads over the edge trying to home school there kids and locking em in there bedrooms, while trying to earn a wage .
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
Rubbish.
What is your wife's job title?
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Its not rubbish . 40 k of em were in care homes .
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My partners Uncle who was 63 died this morning of Covid!!!
It's not just the elderly of people who are dying!
Please people stay safe!
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This virus is highly contagious, human transmittable and it can be spread asymptomatically. You can have a hospital on every street corner but that isn't going to stop it spreading and people dying from it.
so we should kill the economy. Ruin peoples businesses , send mums and dads over the edge trying to home school there kids and locking em in there bedrooms, while trying to earn a wage .
Where did I say that we should kill the economy? Has the economy been killed then?
What do you think would happen to the economy if we didn't lockdown and the NHS collapsed? Do ill people, bereaved people, people looking after sick relatives etc just turn up for work?
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Its not rubbish . 40 k of em were in care homes .
Is being in a care home being at the very end of their life?
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My partners Uncle who was 63 died this morning of Covid!!!
It's not just the elderly of people who are dying!
Please people stay safe!
My neighbour, who was 55, died from it three weeks ago.
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This virus is highly contagious, human transmittable and it can be spread asymptomatically. You can have a hospital on every street corner but that isn't going to stop it spreading and people dying from it.
so we should kill the economy. Ruin peoples businesses , send mums and dads over the edge trying to home school there kids and locking em in there bedrooms, while trying to earn a wage .
Mate if you get this and get sick you won’t have a business anyway either way it’s a Sh** sandwich.
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On the positive side I think we re over the worst of it now as long as the mass vaccination keeps going ahead...most of my elderly customers have had one jab already!(if not two!).....
By the end of april nearly half of the population should have had a vaccine...
I'm hoping my holiday to greece goes ahead in early may....I think by then the lockdown will be eased and we ll have the tier systems in place again.....🙂👍
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This virus is highly contagious, human transmittable and it can be spread asymptomatically. You can have a hospital on every street corner but that isn't going to stop it spreading and people dying from it.
so we should kill the economy. Ruin peoples businesses , send mums and dads over the edge trying to home school there kids and locking em in there bedrooms, while trying to earn a wage .
If everyone is dead there won’t be any economy any way 😂😂
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On the positive side I think we re over the worst of it now as long as the mass vaccination keeps going ahead...most of my elderly customers have had one jab already!(if not two!).....
By the end of april nearly half of the population should have had a vaccine...
I'm hoping my holiday to greece goes ahead in early may....I think by then the lockdown will be eased and we ll have the tier systems in place again.....🙂👍
Lol you obviously haven’t Hurd the news saying don’t book holidays as it’s very unlikely they will happen , I doubt we will be going on holiday until September/October at the yearly earliest 😂😂
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On the positive side I think we re over the worst of it now as long as the mass vaccination keeps going ahead...most of my elderly customers have had one jab already!(if not two!).....
By the end of april nearly half of the population should have had a vaccine...
I'm hoping my holiday to greece goes ahead in early may....I think by then the lockdown will be eased and we ll have the tier systems in place again.....🙂👍
Lol you obviously haven’t Hurd the news saying don’t book holidays as it’s very unlikely they will happen , I doubt we will be going on holiday until September/October at the yearly earliest 😂😂
I booked and paid for the holiday early last year..I just moved it forward a year mate.....👍🙂
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This virus is highly contagious, human transmittable and it can be spread asymptomatically. You can have a hospital on every street corner but that isn't going to stop it spreading and people dying from it.
so we should kill the economy. Ruin peoples businesses , send mums and dads over the edge trying to home school there kids and locking em in there bedrooms, while trying to earn a wage .
No the UK should have acted so much earlier similarly to the countries that have dealt with it so much more effectively. Australia, New Zealand, Thailand etc. Closing boarders and strict quarantine would have protected us and given a better chance of containing infection outbreaks and dealing with them. Unfortunately even if these measures were implemented tomorrow its too late . We are now all suffering the consequences of indecisiveness and inaction. The scenario we are in would have been far shorter and less limiting.
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The illness is awful . But there has to be a balance . Pre COVID . My wife’s mate is a single mum 3 kids . Walks em to school , then she goes to work which she loves . Her ex husband works , pays his way with the kids and house . Kids are all healthy get out and about . COVID lockdown . The ex husband is out of work . No money to hand over .but to be fair he tries , he’s doing a bit of labouring but not much . The single mum is now at home all day in a small terrace with 3 kids . They get to the park for an hour when it’s fine and a walk . But she is slowly breaking down .its not right , how many more families like that .
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
Look up the meaning of the word pandemic and stop being so stupid.
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On the positive side I think we re over the worst of it now as long as the mass vaccination keeps going ahead...most of my elderly customers have had one jab already!(if not two!).....
By the end of april nearly half of the population should have had a vaccine...
I'm hoping my holiday to greece goes ahead in early may....I think by then the lockdown will be eased and we ll have the tier systems in place again.....🙂👍
I’d give you less than a 5% chance of getting away to Greece in May Daz. You’ll have better chance either later in the summer or Autumn tbh.
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On the positive side I think we re over the worst of it now as long as the mass vaccination keeps going ahead...most of my elderly customers have had one jab already!(if not two!).....
By the end of april nearly half of the population should have had a vaccine...
I'm hoping my holiday to greece goes ahead in early may....I think by then the lockdown will be eased and we ll have the tier systems in place again.....🙂👍
I’d give you less than a 5% chance of getting away to Greece in May Daz. You’ll have better chance either later in the summer or Autumn tbh.
I'll just move it forward a few months then if that's the case which will be perfectly fine as it's a package holiday with TUI....
they cant keep the holiday/airline industry shut down forever though.....they need a summer season for their survival IMO.....
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On the positive side I think we re over the worst of it now as long as the mass vaccination keeps going ahead...most of my elderly customers have had one jab already!(if not two!).....
By the end of april nearly half of the population should have had a vaccine...
I'm hoping my holiday to greece goes ahead in early may....I think by then the lockdown will be eased and we ll have the tier systems in place again.....🙂👍
I’d give you less than a 5% chance of getting away to Greece in May Daz. You’ll have better chance either later in the summer or Autumn tbh.
I'll just move it forward a few months then if that's the case which will be perfectly fine as it's a package holiday with TUI....
they cant keep the holiday/airline industry shut down forever though.....they need a summer season for their survival IMO.....
Yep, they need a decent season this year else it’ll be curtains for a lot of them. The Greek resorts also need an income, having had basically no help from their government and no tourist income for the best part of 18 months now. No furlough or self employed grants for those unfortunately.
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The illness is awful . But there has to be a balance . Pre COVID . My wife’s mate is a single mum 3 kids . Walks em to school , then she goes to work which she loves . Her ex husband works , pays his way with the kids and house . Kids are all healthy get out and about . COVID lockdown . The ex husband is out of work . No money to hand over .but to be fair he tries , he’s doing a bit of labouring but not much . The single mum is now at home all day in a small terrace with 3 kids . They get to the park for an hour when it’s fine and a walk . But she is slowly breaking down .its not right , how many more families like that .
And that’s just 1 of the very very many issues lockdowns cause.
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UK will probably end up #1 on a covid danger list and banned from entering other countries 🤧😷☠️
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
Look up the meaning of the word pandemic and stop being so stupid.
People make their own minds up what a pandemic is.
This is a tiny pandemic compared to previous ones.
If peolle if there 30’s, 40’s and even 60’s were dropping like flys, we’d have a pandemic.
But, we don’t.
So you need to stop being stupid and being caught up with the hysteria and fear. This virus has a 98% plus survival rate. In fact it’s likely even higher than that.
It’s only a ‘pandemic’ because our health service is always on its knees. Again, I know this having a wife who works for the NHS.
It’s bad, yes. But it’s not as bad as people like you think. You watch the news too much by the sounds of things.
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With all respect, it’s not even really a ‘pandemic’ it’s only a pandemic because our health system is too small to cope.
Pandemics are the Black Death, Spanish flu etc.
Not 100,000 deaths over almost a year, with an average age of death at nearly 84 which is higher than the average life expectancy. And I really can’t brothered to explain how the figures are skewed again. But in a nutshell, most of those 100,000 people were at the very, and I mean VERY, end of their life, and died with ‘Covid in the system at time of death’.
This is the issue, people have been sacred into a frenzy over Covid. It’s bad, yes. But it isn’t as bad as people think.
Again, I know this having a wife that works on the front line.
The issue at hand, is, is it worth the total destruction of the country. In my opinion, and a growing number of people’s opinion, No.
The cure (lockdowns) is worse than the disease.
Look up the meaning of the word pandemic and stop being so stupid.
People make their own minds up what a pandemic is.
No they don't. You are demonstrating clearly what an idiot you are. You tell us how we should be dealing with a pandemic, but you don't know the meaning of the word.
A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”. The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity.
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Point being, doesn’t matter what you name it, it’s essentially bad flu.
Your point is completely redundant. Whether it’s a ‘pandemic’ or not is irrelevant to the point about lockdowns; and there hugely detrimental effect on society and the economy.
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The illness is awful . But there has to be a balance . Pre COVID . My wife’s mate is a single mum 3 kids . Walks em to school , then she goes to work which she loves . Her ex husband works , pays his way with the kids and house . Kids are all healthy get out and about . COVID lockdown . The ex husband is out of work . No money to hand over .but to be fair he tries , he’s doing a bit of labouring but not much . The single mum is now at home all day in a small terrace with 3 kids . They get to the park for an hour when it’s fine and a walk . But she is slowly breaking down .its not right , how many more families like that .
And that’s just 1 of the very very many issues lockdowns cause.
So in your view point both the parents should have carried on working get infected and potentially die leaving 3 kids orphans, that makes perfect sense 😂😂😂 fit someone who wife worked in the NHS you clearly haven’t got a clue about any of this , and if you wife says the same neither has she ,
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The illness is awful . But there has to be a balance . Pre COVID . My wife’s mate is a single mum 3 kids . Walks em to school , then she goes to work which she loves . Her ex husband works , pays his way with the kids and house . Kids are all healthy get out and about . COVID lockdown . The ex husband is out of work . No money to hand over .but to be fair he tries , he’s doing a bit of labouring but not much . The single mum is now at home all day in a small terrace with 3 kids . They get to the park for an hour when it’s fine and a walk . But she is slowly breaking down .its not right , how many more families like that .
And that’s just 1 of the very very many issues lockdowns cause.
So in your view point both the parents should have carried on working get infected and potentially die leaving 3 kids orphans, that makes perfect sense 😂😂😂 fit someone who wife worked in the NHS you clearly haven’t got a clue about any of this , and if you wife says the same neither has she ,
Bit harsh...
Cleaners are a much needed workforce in hospitals as well, you know!
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I think both parents would have been ok . Carrying on working . Neither of em are in there 80s . Fat or have any health issues .
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I think both parents would have been ok . Carrying on working . Neither of em are in there 80s . Fat or have any health issues .
It’s not just ones with underlying health issues or the elderly that are affected and dying from this it’s younger fit healthy people as well .
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Point being, doesn’t matter what you name it, it’s essentially bad flu.
Your point is completely redundant. Whether it’s a ‘pandemic’ or not is irrelevant to the point about lockdowns; and there hugely detrimental effect on society and the economy.
There are other forums out there for all you conspiracy theorist wackos. You might have better luck spouting your rubbish there😉
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Point being, doesn’t matter what you name it, it’s essentially bad flu.
Your point is completely redundant. Whether it’s a ‘pandemic’ or not is irrelevant to the point about lockdowns; and there hugely detrimental effect on society and the economy.
There are other forums out there for all you conspiracy theorist wackos. You might have better luck spouting your rubbish there😉
Ha. Conspiracy? What’s the conspiracy?
Covid is real, it’s bad, who’s saying it isn’t? Defo not me and my wife who works for the NHS.
Doesn’t mean we can’t be against lockdowns.
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I think both parents would have been ok . Carrying on working . Neither of em are in there 80s . Fat or have any health issues .
It’s not just ones with underlying health issues or the elderly that are affected and dying from this it’s younger fit healthy people as well .
Yes, but it’s few and far between. Life is fragile, it’s just people have become so unbelievably obsessed with death at the moment.
People die of hundreds of causes each day. Healthy or not.
The main point anti lockdowners make, is it should be up the the citizen to decide if they isolate or not.
Not the state.
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Point being, doesn’t matter what you name it, it’s essentially bad flu.
Your point is completely redundant. Whether it’s a ‘pandemic’ or not is irrelevant to the point about lockdowns; and there hugely detrimental effect on society and the economy.
There are other forums out there for all you conspiracy theorist wackos. You might have better luck spouting your rubbish there😉
Ha. Conspiracy? What’s the conspiracy?
Covid is real, it’s bad, who’s saying it isn’t? Defo not me and my wife who works for the NHS.
Doesn’t mean we can’t be against lockdowns.
Didn’t know your wife worked for the NHS, you’ve never mentioned it before😁
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You keep telling us your wife works for the NHS in the same way NWH tells us hot water is best and Daz tells us he stays in five star hotels on holiday.
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You keep telling us your wife works for the NHS in the same way NWH tells us hot water is best and Daz tells us he stays in five star hotels on holiday.
I'm slumming it in a 4 star greek hotel in may this year... 8)...times are hard!
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No your not daz😷
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No your not daz😷
I reckon i will mate.....by may we ll be in the tier system again.....barbers will be open and international travel will once again be allowed (esp to greek islands).....😎
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Slim chance for May Dazmondos love your positivity though
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I think both parents would have been ok . Carrying on working . Neither of em are in there 80s . Fat or have any health issues .
If you think they'd have been ok, that must be a relief for them.
What about the people that they come into contact with and the people that they come into contact with?
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I think both parents would have been ok . Carrying on working . Neither of em are in there 80s . Fat or have any health issues .
It’s not just ones with underlying health issues or the elderly that are affected and dying from this it’s younger fit healthy people as well .
Yes, but it’s few and far between. Life is fragile, it’s just people have become so unbelievably obsessed with death at the moment.
People die of hundreds of causes each day. Healthy or not.
The main point anti lockdowners make, is it should be up the the citizen to decide if they isolate or not.
Not the state.
Even if it endangers others?
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I think both parents would have been ok . Carrying on working . Neither of em are in there 80s . Fat or have any health issues .
It’s not just ones with underlying health issues or the elderly that are affected and dying from this it’s younger fit healthy people as well .
Yes, but it’s few and far between. Life is fragile, it’s just people have become so unbelievably obsessed with death at the moment.
People die of hundreds of causes each day. Healthy or not.
The main point anti lockdowners make, is it should be up the the citizen to decide if they isolate or not.
Not the state.
So are you saying that we should all start deciding our own rules for the road instead of the Highway Code ???? That would cause carnage, just the same as if we all decide wether to do lockdown or not we all need to be abiding by the rules for the greater good of all , don’t get me wrong I don’t like lockdown but at the moment it’s the only safe course for all of us wether we like it or not .
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No your not daz😷
I reckon i will mate.....by may we ll be in the tier system again.....barbers will be open and international travel will once again be allowed (esp to greek islands).....😎
Sorry to burst your bubble Daz, but the Greeks have been under a mega strict lockdown for nearly 3 months now. Only allowed to leave their houses once a week to shop and for medical emergencies. They are miles behind in vaccinating their population (along with the rest of Europe) so it’s very unlikely they’ll be opening up to us Brits with the new, more transmissible virus.
I’m also booked for August, but I’m not holding my breath.
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Well it's getting worse I have just been rushed to a&e 😭😭😭😭😭
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Well it's getting worse I have just been rushed to a&e 😭😭😭😭😭
Oh dear!
Fingers crossed for you, jk.
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Well it's getting worse I have just been rushed to a&e 😭😭😭😭😭
Best wishes.
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My brothers friend (same age as me) has had the virus for a few weeks and got took into hospital on sunday night with breathing difficulties..he s on a ventilator now....he s got a disabled young daughter too......
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Well it's getting worse I have just been rushed to a&e 😭😭😭😭😭
All the best mate.....
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Good luck JK..
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Speedy recovery JK
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My brothers friend (same age as me) has had the virus for a few weeks and got took into hospital on sunday night with breathing difficulties..he s on a ventilator now....he s got a disabled young daughter too......
That's not good, Daz.
It can be life changing being on a ventilator. People look at the number of deaths and the age groups but don't realise that many that do survive hospitalisation are left a shadow of their former selves.
Hope he's ok, mate.
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Yeah long COVID or the effects from having it are life changing watched something on it the other night,Marathon runner can now no longer get up the stairs without being severely out of breath they are the stories you don’t hear too much about at the moment they’ll be programmes on about this Virus for years.
Another drain on the system will be some kind of new benefit if you’ve had it and are suffering long term,think of all the long term suffers from this and those that won’t be able to work again.
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Correct Griff, I have a friend in his mid fifties who was on a ventilator in ICU way back in April, he was in an ICU for over a month. He still hasn’t returned to work. As well as being breathless after minimal exercise he is also mentally scarred with what he went through, although thankfully this continues to improve albeit at a very slow pace.
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Correct Griff, I have a friend in his mid fifties who was on a ventilator in ICU way back in April, he was in an ICU for over a month. He still hasn’t returned to work. As well as being breathless after minimal exercise he is also mentally scarred with what he went through, although thankfully this continues to improve albeit at a very slow pace.
Basically they put you into a coma.
Think of all the normal bodily functions that you can't do for yourself and are going to struggle to start doing again should you survive it.
My Dad's mate, a fit ex rugby player, had pneumonia years ago and he had to have a stoma (since reversed) and still struggles to walk.
It wrecked him.
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Covid pneumonia is what I have ,thank you everyone for all your support
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Hope you make a good and speedy recovery JK.
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Cheers slacky🙂👍
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What are the nurses like?
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Cheers slacky🙂👍
How long have you been ill?
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7 days ,typicall hospital nurses half n half 😇👍
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Just be thankful that you’re not in Colchester hospital, there is a strong suggestion that they are downplaying the whole Covid thing, you would probably be told to man up as it’s just a bad case of flu🤪
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It’ll be reet
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Final call to apply for the third grant tomorrow!
Don't miss out if you've had a significant reduction in profits because of the virus from November.
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Just be thankful that you’re not in Colchester hospital, there is a strong suggestion that they are downplaying the whole Covid thing, you would probably be told to man up as it’s just a bad case of flu🤪
Ha! Classic!
I’ve been saying time and time again, it’s bad. Very bad.
But, there is still an incredible survival rate and people with complications are the minority.
We don’t hear about every recovery, we only hear about the bad news.
No one, including me, is denying that it’s not a horrific illness. But that doesn’t mean people should be locked away indefinitely.
People should have the right to go out and do the things they enjoyed, people should always have the right to stay insides and isolate if they wish .
It’s a risk each individual should have the right to make.
Only around 0.8% of fatalities are healthy people under 60. Therefore, we that want an open country, want people free to live a normal life rather being locked up.
It’s not hard to understand, it’s not denying covid, it’s not even denying Covid isn’t nasty, but it is looking at those facts and wanting freedom over hoise arrest for those that choose.
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No one is saying that we should be locked away indefinitely.
That's ridiculous.
You'd have something to say if NHS staff had the individual right to decide who they treat and who they don't treat.
You are part of society, so you'd best get used to it.
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Just be thankful that you’re not in Colchester hospital, there is a strong suggestion that they are downplaying the whole Covid thing, you would probably be told to man up as it’s just a bad case of flu🤪
Ha! Classic!
I’ve been saying time and time again, it’s bad. Very bad.
But, there is still an incredible survival rate and people with complications are the minority.
We don’t hear about every recovery, we only hear about the bad news.
No one, including me, is denying that it’s not a horrific illness. But that doesn’t mean people should be locked away indefinitely.
People should have the right to go out and do the things they enjoyed, people should always have the right to stay insides and isolate if they wish .
It’s a risk each individual should have the right to make.
Only around 0.8% of fatalities are healthy people under 60. Therefore, we that want an open country, want people free to live a normal life rather being locked up.
It’s not hard to understand, it’s not denying covid, it’s not even denying Covid isn’t nasty, but it is looking at those facts and wanting freedom over hoise arrest for those that choose.
It’s also not hard to understand that due to the high rate of transmission of this virus, along with the fact that in a lot of cases, those who are ill from the virus require hospital treatment, there really isn’t a viable alternative to locking down. Tell me, without going into a whole new debate of an underfunded NHS, how do you think the hospitals would be coping at the moment if everyone was free to do as they choose?
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I think it would be extremely interesting to see hospital admission levels without a full lockdown compared to with.
There is growing evidence lockdowns don’t work, we need a track and trace system and other measures working properly.
Lockdowns supposedly slow the spread, but we have seen time and time again that numbers have come down before lockdowns.
Measures need to be in place, but locking down only delays the inevitable. There are better ways of dealing with it whilst keeping the country open.
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but locking down only delays the inevitable.
Well done Einstein, that is actually the whole point of lockdowns. Flatten the curve.
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but locking down only delays the inevitable.
Well done Einstein, that is actually the whole point of lockdowns. Flatten the curve.
Although some nations used the lockdown to eradicate Covid.
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I think it would be extremely interesting to see hospital admission levels without a full lockdown compared to with.
There are better ways of dealing with it whilst keeping the country open.
You only need to look to countries that imposed proper lockdowns early and closed their boarders to see how their hospital admissions were affected.
So what are these better ways of dealing with it other than the track and trace you already mentioned ?
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I think it would be extremely interesting to see hospital admission levels without a full lockdown compared to with.
There is growing evidence lockdowns don’t work, we need a track and trace system and other measures working properly.
Lockdowns supposedly slow the spread, but we have seen time and time again that numbers have come down before lockdowns.
Measures need to be in place, but locking down only delays the inevitable. There are better ways of dealing with it whilst keeping the country open.
What growing evidence?
Track and trace?
We've nearly 30,000 new cases today. That's tested, so how many have it and haven't been tested? And how many would that be without lockdown?
Test and trace couldn't work on that scale, especially when you'd be allowing the virus to continue to spread.
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I think it would be extremely interesting to see hospital admission levels without a full lockdown compared to with.
;D ;D ;D
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Bring my own flask, always have done :)