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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Bungle on October 31, 2020, 02:13:08 pm
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Looks like an England wide full lockdown for a month. Experts think we’re heading for 4,000 deaths a day unless we do something. I’ll be working through this one unless I’m told to stop.
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Windows cleaners should be fine to carry on working
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Should be less traffic on the roads so hopefully we'll get more work done like in the first lock down 👍
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With the furlough gone, I can see this being bad.
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With the furlough gone, I can see this being bad.
We were told that the SEISS was a one off though.
The IMF has said that the government could have done more for the people, so there maybe extensions. The IMF did also give some praise to the government.
It's only money ;D.
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Don't forget to get your grants in tomorrow lads 👍
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Don't forget to get your grants in tomorrow lads 👍
Can you apply tomorrow?
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Don't forget to get your grants in tomorrow lads 👍
Can you apply tomorrow?
So I've been told, I'll stay up until midnight put my claim in then sleep like a baby knowing the Wonga's gone in my savings account like the last one 😎
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Don't forget to get your grants in tomorrow lads 👍
Can you apply tomorrow?
Not yet, I don't think, and the conditions are 'narrower' than the other two. Decreased demand is what they are about, I believe.
The bounce back loan period has been extended to ten years too.
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Don't forget to get your grants in tomorrow lads 👍
Can you apply tomorrow?
Not yet, I don't think, and the conditions are 'narrower' than the other two. Decreased demand is what they are about, I believe.
The bounce back loan period has been extended to ten years too.
Yeah looks like sometime in December. Just ready for Christmas 😎
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Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1604162584_Screenshot_20201031-162312.jpg)
Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
Even if they have symptoms?
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No sign of the fat clown so far.
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After six they're saying now.
Shambles.
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At least this will keep Griff visiting the forum 🤣🤣 he loves it it’s all he talks about these days.
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Yep. The tosspot can’t even keep to time let alone guide us through a pandemic.
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Who said they will hand out more money.
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Who said they will hand out more money.
They'll have to, won't they?
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Come on bozo, the lockdown will be over before it's announced at this rate.
Clown.
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I like boris, seems to be doing a good job.
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I like boris, seems to be doing a good job.
Hilarious.
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Oh well, the furlough which would not be extended, has been extended.
Should have done it last week. Many people who got the boot yesterday (the end of furlough which was not going to be extended but has just been extended) would still have a job.
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My personal view is this is a ridiculous decision.
As a customer of mine said yesterday, who works for the NHS ‘we’re not even using the nightingale hospitals yet, we should be continuing with an open economy, keeping people’s livelihoods going’
My sentiments exactly!
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They know when things will get bad look at what they did with the handouts that was decided within days of what was going on,we are the last to know.
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I can’t see how different it is from what we already have. All that’s going to change is pubs, gyms and non essential shops etc closing.
I bet Jimmy Kranky is squirming in her boots knowing Boris locked down before her.
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Look at the people in town and city centres drinking in the streets together it’s a joke.
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If you looked at the graphics from the presentation there was a set showing ages and infections. It was the 16 to 29 year olds who were spreading it to the older generations. So what do they do? Keep Universities and Colleges open!!!
Hopefully the lockdown will reduce the deaths and not cost too many jobs and businesses.
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With the furlough gone, I can see this being bad.
Furlough stats again from 1200 tonight
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Oh well, the furlough which would not be extended, has been extended.
Should have done it last week. Many people who got the boot yesterday (the end of furlough which was not going to be extended but has just been extended) would still have a job.
b******s no need forit
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Look at the people in town and city centres drinking in the streets together it’s a joke.
why?
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If we were to go back to this time last year. Who could have anticipated what was to come ?
Who can anticipate even now, where we will be in a year from now ? Apart from being forced to wear a mask in certain environments there has been a growing complacency since the last lockdown. Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame. Ideally we should all have enough common sense and social responsibility to one another not to need such measures. As for the government they'd get criticized regardless whether they lockdown or they don't.
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Exactly.
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If we were to go back to this time last year. Who could have anticipated what was to come ?
Who can anticipate even now, where we will be in a year from now ? Apart from being forced to wear a mask in certain environments there has been a growing complacency since the last lockdown. Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame. Ideally we should all have enough common sense and social responsibility to one another not to need such measures. As for the government they'd get criticized regardless whether they lockdown or they don't.
Countries like Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Germany and Australia have all coped way better than us.
They've not achieved that by being better behaved than us, they've done it by:
1. Having a proper working test and trace system.
2. Clear, timely messaging from the government.
3. Strict control of their ports and borders.
4. A robust financial package.
These are things that BoZo has ballsed up, and that we as citizens had no control over. They are the factors that would have made the biggest difference. They still can.
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I can’t see how different it is from what we already have. All that’s going to change is pubs, gyms and non essential shops etc closing.
I bet Jimmy Kranky is squirming in her boots knowing Boris locked down before her.
She'll use it to further the separatist agenda. She'll be on about the Barnet formula and lack of borrowing powers in the coming days.
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Oh well, the furlough which would not be extended, has been extended.
Should have done it last week. Many people who got the boot yesterday (the end of furlough which was not going to be extended but has just been extended) would still have a job.
b******s no need forit
My sister and her boyfriend are both chefs. They've been on furlough since march and got paid off on Friday.
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I must admit I favoured the government’s regional strategy and still do but it does look like at the moment there is little choice. I agree with what Soupy said above, we’re where we are not because of people’s behaviour (although there are some right d1ckheads around), but in addition to his list the opening of universities and schools without testing in place and eat out to help out which is estimated to have caused 20% of the infections.
If we haven’t got testing sorted when we come out of the other end, Johnson should be lynched. His government have made bad decision after bad decision starting with locking down too late and not closing ports and lack of quarantine.
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If we were to go back to this time last year. Who could have anticipated what was to come ?
Who can anticipate even now, where we will be in a year from now ? Apart from being forced to wear a mask in certain environments there has been a growing complacency since the last lockdown. Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame. Ideally we should all have enough common sense and social responsibility to one another not to need such measures. As for the government they'd get criticized regardless whether they lockdown or they don't.
Countries like Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Germany and Australia have all coped way better than us.
They've not achieved that by being better behaved than us, they've done it by:
1. Having a proper working test and trace system.
2. Clear, timely messaging from the government.
3. Strict control of their ports and borders.
4. A robust financial package.
These are things that BoZo has ballsed up, and that we as citizens had no control over. They are the factors that would have made the biggest difference. They still can.
I think we are a pretty undisciplined lot compared to South Korea but take your point. When I say Bojo & co would get slated no matter what was more meaning those saying this is b@+&££#s and not needed.
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If we were to go back to this time last year. Who could have anticipated what was to come ?
Who can anticipate even now, where we will be in a year from now ? Apart from being forced to wear a mask in certain environments there has been a growing complacency since the last lockdown. Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame. Ideally we should all have enough common sense and social responsibility to one another not to need such measures. As for the government they'd get criticized regardless whether they lockdown or they don't.
Countries like Vietnam, South Korea, Japan, Germany and Australia have all coped way better than us.
They've not achieved that by being better behaved than us, they've done it by:
1. Having a proper working test and trace system.
2. Clear, timely messaging from the government.
3. Strict control of their ports and borders.
4. A robust financial package.
These are things that BoZo has ballsed up, and that we as citizens had no control over. They are the factors that would have made the biggest difference. They still can.
I think we are a pretty undisciplined lot compared to South Korea but take your point. When I say Bojo & co would get slated no matter what was more meaning those saying this is b@+&££#s and not needed.
Agreed. There's clowns everywhere, not just in government.
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Kranky wants to be independent but wants UK money. You can’t have your cake and eat it.
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Kranky wants to be independent but wants UK money. You can’t have your cake and eat it.
She doesn't want UK money. She wants the power to borrow money, just like Rishi.
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Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
He wasn't doing key work though. Shall we open the pubs and football grounds for the Tories, too? ;D
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At least this will keep Griff visiting the forum 🤣🤣 he loves it it’s all he talks about these days.
Every cloud........ and it sounds like you want me to keep visiting you.
Come on t'other section, Nige, we talk nonsense about other subjects there.
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You can't blame the government; it's all down to the selfish d1ckheads just doing what they want.
You see them shaking hands with Co-vid patients and driving up to Durham when they have Co-vid symptoms. The government are not responsible for the behaviour of selfish d1ckheads when their guidance and actions are usually late and unclear, are they?
The government told us that we don't need to wear masks and then that we do need to wear masks but the selfish d1ckheads still don't wear masks and wear masks.
Stay alert, this virus is like an invisible mugger ;D.
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Quick get on that thread it’s about doom and gloom and I want to instil utter dread in people thinking about going out to work lol,cmon Griff it’s happening we have to deal with it in which way we can m8. 👍
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Quick get on that thread it’s about doom and gloom and I want to instil utter dread in people thinking about going out to work lol,cmon Griff it’s happening we have to deal with it in which way we can m8. 👍
It's still Hallowe'en in our house ;D.
People should go to work, if they can. I didn't realise that I was instilling utter dread about it :o.
Go to work, be safe and don't be silly about letting the virus rip through the country and I'll keep my utter dread instilling to myself.
Don't have nightmares.
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I go with the flow and do what I can to keep working watching the news and panicking about what they say is a waste of time,what they tell us is staged and mostly lies in years to come we will look back and see that for ourselves.
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Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
He wasn't doing key work though. Shall we open the pubs and football grounds for the Tories, too? ;D
Yes at the end of the day they are the leaders and should have the freedom to do what they feel is best for the situation. I'm the same a an employer do as I say not as I do.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1604162584_Screenshot_20201031-162312.jpg)
Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
He wasn't doing key work though. Shall we open the pubs and football grounds for the Tories, too? ;D
Yes at the end of the day they are the leaders and should have the freedom to do what they feel is best for the situation. I'm the same a an employer do as I say not as I do.
Even if it breaks the law?
And what about parties and politicians that make up the government? Other Conservatives have been critical of the government, as well.
You can't run a country like that.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1604162584_Screenshot_20201031-162312.jpg)
Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
He wasn't doing key work though. Shall we open the pubs and football grounds for the Tories, too? ;D
Yes at the end of the day they are the leaders and should have the freedom to do what they feel is best for the situation. I'm the same a an employer do as I say not as I do.
Even if it breaks the law?
And what about parties and politicians that make up the government? Other Conservatives have been critical of the government, as well.
You can't run a country like that.
Yes they should be allowed to run the country without every Tom dick and Harry scrutinising their every move.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1604162584_Screenshot_20201031-162312.jpg)
Surely government officials and politicians are classed as key workers? and shouldn't need to follow the same rules as civilians? if freedom to travel during lockdown is helpful for them then I think the Conservative party should all be exempt .
He wasn't doing key work though. Shall we open the pubs and football grounds for the Tories, too? ;D
Yes at the end of the day they are the leaders and should have the freedom to do what they feel is best for the situation. I'm the same a an employer do as I say not as I do.
Even if it breaks the law?
And what about parties and politicians that make up the government? Other Conservatives have been critical of the government, as well.
You can't run a country like that.
Yes they should be allowed to run the country without every Tom dick and Harry scrutinising their every move.
Lol
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Yes they should be allowed to run the country without every Tom dick and Harry scrutinising their every move.
Said every dictator to have ever lived.
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
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claim from 30th Nov
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
Are you struggling mate? Have you lost a lot of work?
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Who said it was 80% I’ve herd 40%
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Who said it was 80% I’ve herd 40%
Boris said 80%
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
Are you struggling mate? Have you lost a lot of work?
No not at all but I had a meeting with my accountant and she's advised me to claim. I'll just keep it in my savings account with the other one just in case times get tough in the future 👍
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Who said it was 80% I’ve herd 40%
Been raised to 80% due to the lockdown this month.
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So they haven't run out of other peoples' money to spend yet?
It's just as well.
I'll have to have a think about whether I should claim or not.
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So they haven't run out of other peoples' money to spend yet?
It's just as well.
I'll have to have a think about whether I should claim or not.
Takes a lot to run out of borrowed money, but we’ve never been is such a dire debt situation in such a short period of time.
By all means take it. Just don’t claim it’s your tax money again Griff.
It’s debt money, not tax payers. Our nation no where near, not even close, covers the borrowing the government has taken.
I’m all for people taking it if they are eligible. 👍🏼
We just need to understand it’s all got to be paid back through taxes. Then you claim it was your money. But at the moment, it’s not ;D
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Borrowed money who’s it borrowed from then that’s rubbish it’s not real money at all,who’s gonna lend any country 2 trillion pounds sterling when they are in the same boat 🚣♀️ 🤣.
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I think anyone that’s hasn’t bothered with a bounce back loan has slipped up you can’t get a business loan at those rates,at least I haven’t in the past.
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I think anyone that’s hasn’t bothered with a bounce back loan has slipped up you can’t get a business loan at those rates,at least I haven’t in the past.
Bounce back loans just been extended to the end of jan.
https://twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1323315259566923777?s=21
They do sound quite attractive.
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I think anyone that’s hasn’t bothered with a bounce back loan has slipped up you can’t get a business loan at those rates,at least I haven’t in the past.
I thought you would get an interest free loan from the sis-in-law🤑🤑🤑
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So they haven't run out of other peoples' money to spend yet?
It's just as well.
I'll have to have a think about whether I should claim or not.
Takes a lot to run out of borrowed money, but we’ve never been is such a dire debt situation in such a short period of time.
By all means take it. Just don’t claim it’s your tax money again Griff.
It’s debt money, not tax payers. Our nation no where near, not even close, covers the borrowing the government has taken.
I’m all for people taking it if they are eligible. 👍🏼
We just need to understand it’s all got to be paid back through taxes. Then you claim it was your money. But at the moment, it’s not ;D
I never said it was my money: I said it was our money.
If the government borrows the money, it borrows it on the strength of us and our ability to pay it back through our taxes. The government's main form of income is taxes. Our money.
You said that we need to pay it back; we do because it was borrowed by us as a nation.
If BJ retires having borrowed a load of money the debt still stands and it's down to us to honour it.
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Borrowed money who’s it borrowed from then that’s rubbish it’s not real money at all,who’s gonna lend any country 2 trillion pounds sterling when they are in the same boat 🚣♀️ 🤣.
Mate, you’re showing a serious lack of knowledge and intelligence here.
I’m so embarrassed for you, that I can’t even bring myself to explain.
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I think anyone that’s hasn’t bothered with a bounce back loan has slipped up you can’t get a business loan at those rates,at least I haven’t in the past.
Bounce back loans just been extended to the end of jan.
https://twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1323315259566923777?s=21
They do sound quite attractive.
Defo mate. Amazing rate and not secured.
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So they haven't run out of other peoples' money to spend yet?
It's just as well.
I'll have to have a think about whether I should claim or not.
Takes a lot to run out of borrowed money, but we’ve never been is such a dire debt situation in such a short period of time.
By all means take it. Just don’t claim it’s your tax money again Griff.
It’s debt money, not tax payers. Our nation no where near, not even close, covers the borrowing the government has taken.
I’m all for people taking it if they are eligible. 👍🏼
We just need to understand it’s all got to be paid back through taxes. Then you claim it was your money. But at the moment, it’s not ;D
I never said it was my money: I said it was our money.
If the government borrows the money, it borrows it on the strength of us and our ability to pay it back through our taxes. The government's main form of income is taxes. Our money.
You said that we need to pay it back; we do because it was borrowed by us as a nation.
If BJ retires having borrowed a load of money the debt still stands and it's down to us to honour it.
Its socialism Griff, the money always runs out. Then people wonder why socialism never, ever works. Ever.
This is a short term socialism style intervention. It’s not sustainable.
It’s not our money, it’s debt. When we pay higher taxes, it’s precisely because of these socialist style payments that taxes have to rise. Then you can argue why should someone like deegee, who is ltd, pay higher taxes for our grants? See the unfairness?
The point being, socialism steals.
Anyway, we’ve been down this road on another thread, so I’ll leave it there.
We will have to agree to disagree...
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50504151
Here you go NWH, have a read young pup.
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Have just had £2500 of regular commercial work cancel for this month. Still no grant for me. Fun times 🤨
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50504151
Here you go NWH, have a read young pup.
Sorry I didn’t think you were going to explain lol,I wouldn’t panicked about it there’s nothing we can do about any of it.
Am I working tomorrow yes and I will sleep sound in my bed tonight not worrying about things that are beyond my control.
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So they haven't run out of other peoples' money to spend yet?
It's just as well.
I'll have to have a think about whether I should claim or not.
Takes a lot to run out of borrowed money, but we’ve never been is such a dire debt situation in such a short period of time.
By all means take it. Just don’t claim it’s your tax money again Griff.
It’s debt money, not tax payers. Our nation no where near, not even close, covers the borrowing the government has taken.
I’m all for people taking it if they are eligible. 👍🏼
We just need to understand it’s all got to be paid back through taxes. Then you claim it was your money. But at the moment, it’s not ;D
I never said it was my money: I said it was our money.
If the government borrows the money, it borrows it on the strength of us and our ability to pay it back through our taxes. The government's main form of income is taxes. Our money.
You said that we need to pay it back; we do because it was borrowed by us as a nation.
If BJ retires having borrowed a load of money the debt still stands and it's down to us to honour it.
Its socialism Griff, the money always runs out. Then people wonder why socialism never, ever works. Ever.
This is a short term socialism style intervention. It’s not sustainable.
It’s not our money, it’s debt. When we pay higher taxes, it’s precisely because of these socialist style payments that taxes have to rise. Then you can argue why should someone like deegee, who is ltd, pay higher taxes for our grants? See the unfairness?
The point being, socialism steals.
Anyway, we’ve been down this road on another thread, so I’ll leave it there.
We will have to agree to disagree...
Fair enough but deeege should have got the grant, imo. Maybe those earning over 50k too.
Socialism is too broad a term to just say it steals. It gives us health care, education, grants and loans etc. too.
But I respect your choice to leave it there ;).
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I can't believe you guys are going to work, your killing people blah blah blah.
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I can't believe you guys are going to work, your killing people blah blah blah.
They were going to die anyway.
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I can't believe you guys are going to work, your killing people blah blah blah.
Custards and the general public won't put up with it, you'll get lynched in the street and your van burnt out. I read it on Facebook 😂😂🤣
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That’s what happens when you work in the town 🤣🤣 when I’ve done a days work it’s like I’ve appeared out of a rabbit hole where I go lol
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Its 80% for November then 40% dec and jan works at 55% in total
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Its 80% for November then 40% dec and jan works at 55% in total
Plus a grand if you keep your employee.
God bless Rishi.
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Or 60% if your calculations were correct
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Or 60% if your calculations were correct
I get 53.333%.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
On the Facebook groups most seem to report the opposite. I assume reduced turnover for the period would be the only metric?
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
On the Facebook groups most seem to report the opposite. I assume reduced turnover for the period would be the only metric?
Don't believe everything you read on Facebook.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
On the Facebook groups most seem to report the opposite. I assume reduced turnover for the period would be the only metric?
Don't believe everything you read on Facebook.
True. Like the guy that says it doesn't matter if you pick up 5 but lose one, that's still reduced demand. ::)roll
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
On the Facebook groups most seem to report the opposite. I assume reduced turnover for the period would be the only metric?
No, decreased demand.
It is very difficult to measure so it is down to the individual to decide.
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You like this thread don’t you Griff
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You like this thread don’t you Griff
Love it and it's a good job. No one else seems to know whether they should claim or not ;D.
I remember you being very confused during the first lockdown though. Firstly, you weren't working because it was dangerous, you didn't need the money and anyone that did was desperate.
Days later you were working because you work in the Arctic Circle and anyone not working was lazy.
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Yeah I changed my mind I was was starting to feel very lazy sitting at home I’m not gonna get to the end of all this and lose my Abs 🤣.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
No
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Yeah I changed my mind I was was starting to feel very lazy sitting at home I’m not gonna get to the end of all this and lose my Abs 🤣.
Is that the wife? ;)
Compact work, cold water and a Vauxhall Vivaro and you'll have a six pack in no time.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
No
Yes
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Yeah I changed my mind I was was starting to feel very lazy sitting at home I’m not gonna get to the end of all this and lose my Abs 🤣.
Is that the wife? ;)
Compact work, cold water and a Vauxhall Vivaro and you'll have a six pack in no time.
Yeah cold water 💩💩💩 I tell you what I bet there’s some cold water boys out there making a mess of em in this low sun 🤣,proper mess.
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If you need to rely on hot to ensure a decent clean you shouldn't be window cleaning.
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Rishis just put it back up to 80% from 55% the other day
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Yeah I changed my mind I was was starting to feel very lazy sitting at home I’m not gonna get to the end of all this and lose my Abs 🤣.
Is that the wife? ;)
Compact work, cold water and a Vauxhall Vivaro and you'll have a six pack in no time.
Yeah cold water 💩💩💩 I tell you what I bet there’s some cold water boys out there making a mess of em in this low sun 🤣,proper mess.
Pure water is pure water, doesn’t matter if it’s hot or not.
Hot water doesn’t do anything at all for the quality of clean. Not even a jot of difference to the final finish.
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
Are you struggling mate? Have you lost a lot of work?
No not at all but I had a meeting with my accountant and she's advised me to claim. I'll just keep it in my savings account with the other one just in case times get tough in the future 👍
Looks like a clear case of fraud. If you haven’t been adversely effected and you claim , you have committed fraud .
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Yeah I changed my mind I was was starting to feel very lazy sitting at home I’m not gonna get to the end of all this and lose my Abs 🤣.
Is that the wife? ;)
Compact work, cold water and a Vauxhall Vivaro and you'll have a six pack in no time.
Yeah cold water 💩💩💩 I tell you what I bet there’s some cold water boys out there making a mess of em in this low sun 🤣,proper mess.
Pure water is pure water, doesn’t matter if it’s hot or not.
Hot water doesn’t do anything at all for the quality of clean. Not even a jot of difference to the final finish.
Coca Cola is Coca Cola but I wouldn’t drink it warm ever,if that is you’re opinion and you are entitled to it I take it you’ve never had a hot water system.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
No
Yes
No
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Yeah I changed my mind I was was starting to feel very lazy sitting at home I’m not gonna get to the end of all this and lose my Abs 🤣.
Is that the wife? ;)
Compact work, cold water and a Vauxhall Vivaro and you'll have a six pack in no time.
Yeah cold water 💩💩💩 I tell you what I bet there’s some cold water boys out there making a mess of em in this low sun 🤣,proper mess.
Pure water is pure water, doesn’t matter if it’s hot or not.
Hot water doesn’t do anything at all for the quality of clean. Not even a jot of difference to the final finish.
Coca Cola is Coca Cola but I wouldn’t drink it warm ever,if that is you’re opinion and you are entitled to it I take it you’ve never had a hot water system.
Are you on drugs?
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
Are you struggling mate? Have you lost a lot of work?
No not at all but I had a meeting with my accountant and she's advised me to claim. I'll just keep it in my savings account with the other one just in case times get tough in the future 👍
Looks like a clear case of fraud. If you haven’t been adversely effected and you claim , you have committed fraud .
Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
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The next grant has stricter rules though I think.
This is the first You’ve got to say your been impacted by “reduced demand”.
If I could claim I'd be eligible under that criteria, I think most would...
No
Yes
No
Yes
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If you declare you’ve been effected and you haven’t, it’s fraud.
https://twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1324396248368091139?s=21
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If you declare you’ve been effected and you haven’t, it’s fraud.
https://twitter.com/martinslewis/status/1324396248368091139?s=21
It depends on who is saying that you haven't been affected. I'm sure there are people that have claimed, wrongly, but it's not fraud; they just mightn't know that they have been adversely affected.
I know a few people that have been adversely affected that didn't claim, too.
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Haven’t we been through this 680 million times?
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with profit/turnover.
You could be having a record year and still legitimately claim.
Martin Lewis has done a whole article on it.
I’ve had a great year, but would have been even better without this pandemic. I’m still a few jobs down. Therefore can legitimately claim.
It’s not about money.
It is about loss of any work, that would have been there had it not been for lockdowns/Covid
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
Are you struggling mate? Have you lost a lot of work?
No not at all but I had a meeting with my accountant and she's advised me to claim. I'll just keep it in my savings account with the other one just in case times get tough in the future 👍
Looks like a clear case of fraud. If you haven’t been adversely effected and you claim , you have committed fraud .
Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
Simon said it .... ‘no, not at all...’
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
Unless it changed yesterday, the current term is "reduced demand". If your sales haven't gone down, you've not got reduced demand. Anyone claiming that hasn't experienced a drop in sales is claiming fraudulently in my opinion.
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Another 80% grant for those who need it
Any idea when we can claim???
Are you struggling mate? Have you lost a lot of work?
No not at all but I had a meeting with my accountant and she's advised me to claim. I'll just keep it in my savings account with the other one just in case times get tough in the future 👍
Looks like a clear case of fraud. If you haven’t been adversely effected and you claim , you have committed fraud .
Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
Simon said it .... ‘no, not at all...’
Not struggling or not losing a lot of work is not not being adversely affected.
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I dont think I will be claiming this one.
what if someone in anticipation of what could happen ? ie loss of customers . decides to pump time and money into rapidly finding new customers?
have they been affected by covid even though they increased their turnover?
the affect of a downturn they anticipated may only just be starting to happen , or could happen next march?
at the end of the day each individual must decide ..... and it has nowt to do with anyone else
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
Unless it changed yesterday, the current term is "reduced demand". If your sales haven't gone down, you've not got reduced demand. Anyone claiming that hasn't experienced a drop in sales is claiming fraudulently in my opinion.
You just spent £10k on advertising didn't you? Did you get the demand you'd expect from that? If not then the demand is reduced.
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
Unless it changed yesterday, the current term is "reduced demand". If your sales haven't gone down, you've not got reduced demand. Anyone claiming that hasn't experienced a drop in sales is claiming fraudulently in my opinion.
Further guidance on 'reduced demand' will be forthcoming.
And sales is not demand.
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what if someone in anticipation of what could happen ? ie loss of customers . decides to pump time and money into rapidly finding new customers?
have they been affected by covid even though they increased their turnover?
Yes. They've had additional expenses which they otherwise would not have had.
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How does anyone quantify "reduced demand" and how is it proven one way or the other ?
sales/profit is easy, but demand ?
My customer count has gone up, but i have advertised for it. Would i have had a better or worse response if not for covid/lockdown ? ive absoloutely no idea, but i can say ive not been affected. But then again maybe i have been affected and dont know it?
In my opinion demand has gone up from people being at home resulting in more walk ups this year during lockdown than any other. But perhaps this doesnt prove theres an increase in "demand" just maybe more opportunity to engage making it seem like more demand when in fact the demand might actually be lower ???
the problem with HMRC is as usual its as clear as a mud bath in mud town with mrs muddy eating mud pies in a mud hut..
I cant claim it anyway so at least i dont have to worry about whether or not i am commiting fraud.
Im still saying NO though ;D
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How does anyone quantify "reduced demand" and how is it proven one way or the other ?
sales/profit is easy, but demand ?
My customer count has gone up, but i have advertised for it. Would i have had a better or worse response if not for covid/lockdown ? ive absoloutely no idea, but i can say ive not been affected. But then again maybe i have been affected and dont know it?
In my opinion demand has gone up from people being at home resulting in more walk ups this year during lockdown than any other. But perhaps this doesnt prove theres an increase in "demand" just maybe more opportunity to engage making it seem like more demand when in fact the demand might actually be lower ???
the problem with HMRC is as usual its as clear as a mud bath in mud town with mrs muddy eating mud pies in a mud hut..
I cant claim it anyway so at least i dont have to worry about whether or not i am commiting fraud.
Im still saying NO though ;D
Yes.
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Fraud 🤣
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I’m on track for a record month next month.
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You can't accept Christmas tips and claim the grant.
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It’s the people that employ and furlough workers they will keep an eye on. 👍
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Full details about eligibility and how to claim from the 23rd November.
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Two more grants on the way going as far as April 2021. Email from HMRC today.
Dear customer,
In light of the increased restrictions needed to curb the coronavirus pandemic, the UK Government is introducing additional economic measures to support you.
Latest changes that may impact you
Yesterday, 5 November 2020, the Chancellor announced that the UK Government is increasing the overall level of the next SEISS grant from 55% to 80% of trading profits.
This grant will cover a three-month period from the start of November until the end of January. The UK Government will pay a taxable grant which is based on 80% of three months’ average trading profits, paid out in a single instalment and capped at £7,500.
The SEISS Grant Extension will last for six months in total, from 1 November 2020 to 30 April 2021. A further grant will cover February to April, as grants will be paid in two lump sum instalments each covering a three-month period. The government will set out further details, including the level of that grant, in due course. Full details on checking if you’re eligible for the current grant and how to claim will be published on GOV.UK week commencing 23 November.
Protect yourself from scams
Stay vigilant about scams, which may mimic government messages as a way of appearing authentic. Search 'scams' on GOV.UK for information on how to recognise genuine HMRC contact. You can also forward suspicious emails claiming to be from HMRC to phishing@hmrc.gov.uk and texts to 60599.
Access the National Cyber Security Centre’s new guide on how to stay secure online and protect yourself or your business against cyber crime by searching 'Cyber Aware' on GOV.UK.
Yours sincerely
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Fraud 🤣
Lying to HMRC and claiming money you are not entitled to is definitely fraud.
Never mind when they collar you, you can show them the laughing emoji and see how far that gets you.
😂
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I think most fraud investigations will be about those who are not even self employed, and the like, and not workers that are uncertain about the effect the virus has had on them.
It's for self employed people not just window cleaners.
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
Unless it changed yesterday, the current term is "reduced demand". If your sales haven't gone down, you've not got reduced demand. Anyone claiming that hasn't experienced a drop in sales is claiming fraudulently in my opinion.
You just spent £10k on advertising didn't you? Did you get the demand you'd expect from that? If not then the demand is reduced.
I spent a lot more than that and got a better return than last year. Demand for me wasn’tdown. The only metric for demand is sales. If sales are up, demand is up. However you generate the demand.
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
Unless it changed yesterday, the current term is "reduced demand". If your sales haven't gone down, you've not got reduced demand. Anyone claiming that hasn't experienced a drop in sales is claiming fraudulently in my opinion.
You just spent £10k on advertising didn't you? Did you get the demand you'd expect from that? If not then the demand is reduced.
I spent a lot more than that and got a better return than last year. Demand for me wasn’tdown. The only metric for demand is sales. If sales are up, demand is up. However you generate the demand.
That's not strictly true.
Demand could be through the roof but it doesn't have to be met.
What about the demand for tables in a restaurant that has restrictions?
And how are you measuring sales? Units? Income?
A window cleaner could have reduced demand and still have an increase in income if prices are increased.
We'll find out more about demand at the end of the month. I can't help thinking that some of the onus is being taken away from us.
We'll see......
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Who is going to prove that you haven't been adversely affected?
HMRC doesn't even have a definition of 'adversely affected'. They can't say what it means so how are they going to prove that someone isn't adversely affected?
That's the problem with HMRC if they have no definition you have no argument!!!! The deck is stacked in HMRC favor! They are one Gov department that forces you to prove your innocence. Which without a definition of 'adversely affected' you can't do!
So be wary, very wary.
Shrek said 'if you haven't been adversely affected'. That's not the same as 'how have you been adversely affected?'
It's going to harder for them to prove anything when they are relying on us for their information.
There is nothing in Simon's post to say that he hasn't been adversely affected. I don't know how anyone can say that someone else hasn't been adversely affected.
Showing that you've been adversely affected is far easier than another party saying that you haven't.
I doubt many people will be challenged on this if they are reasonable with their reasons and information.
Unless it changed yesterday, the current term is "reduced demand". If your sales haven't gone down, you've not got reduced demand. Anyone claiming that hasn't experienced a drop in sales is claiming fraudulently in my opinion.
You just spent £10k on advertising didn't you? Did you get the demand you'd expect from that? If not then the demand is reduced.
I spent a lot more than that and got a better return than last year. Demand for me wasn’tdown. The only metric for demand is sales. If sales are up, demand is up. However you generate the demand.
That's not strictly true.
Demand could be through the roof but it doesn't have to be met.
What about the demand for tables in a restaurant that has restrictions?
And how are you measuring sales? Units? Income?
A window cleaner could have reduced demand and still have an increase in income if prices are increased.
We'll find out more about demand at the end of the month. I can't help thinking that some of the onus is being taken away from us.
We'll see......
All good and true points. Ultimately we all know whether our businesses have suffered or not. However if you’ve got more customers and sales are up I think you’d struggle to convince anyone that you’ve got reduced demand.