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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil J on July 29, 2020, 07:17:22 pm
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How frustrating is this hose! Constantly battling to stop it tangling, gotta say I'm not a massive fan. Anybody else having issues with it?
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Oh no!!!!
I just ordered some last night because I’ve finally given up with the all season yellow. ☹️
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How frustrating is this hose! Constantly battling to stop it tangling, gotta say I'm not a massive fan. Anybody else having issues with it?
We use it and never had any issues with it
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It must be me then! It's driving me mad lads. Let me know what you think Dave, the all season is pants innit?
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The Green hose is enough to send you insane!!
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I’ve got the 5.5id old green pole hose, it’s brilliant, but don’t think Alex sells It anymore?
That extra .5mm internal diameter genuinely helps flow!
Shame you don’t stock it anymore Alex?
It was always a bit stiff for the first couple of weeks, but lays flat after that and doesn’t tangle.
Edit - just checked, looks like it’s now labelled ‘5mm’ but on zooming in on the pic, it does say 5.5mm id.
If that’s the hose you’re on about, just give it two weeks, it will soften up and stop tangling eventually!
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All pole hose goes the same way, the gardiner green is as good as any that ive tried which isnt saying much.
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It must be me then! It's driving me mad lads. Let me know what you think Dave, the all season is pants innit?
I’ve used the all season since it came out, it’s ok but not brilliant, tried Exceed blue but it kinks badly where it exits the pole, tried Exceed red and orange, hopeless couldnt even coil it back up. Had some other Gardiners stuff but only managed a day with it, forgot what it was now but it was like RO pipe.. reinforced yellow isn’t bad but needs barbs and is a little heavy.
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the green stuff I have is about 18 months old. It was as bad after a year as it was on day one, it never got any better. It coils so bad it ties itself in knots!!
It's 5.5mm and says E1195 on it.
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I can see 1195 on the pics on their website so guess it’s the same stuff >:(
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We use both the old green hose and the new one and don't have any serious issues with either.
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5mm(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1596057526_8FD5045B-B7BE-48DF-B50E-17F55BE09F29.jpeg)
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I can see 1195 on the pics on their website so guess it’s the same stuff >:(
Dave Willis PHD (Persistently Hounded by Disaster) "there could be trouble a...heeeaaad" ;D I can actually visualise it now, let us know how you get on with it Dave!! ;D
Maybe they've changed it since I got mine.
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;D
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So far it’s like taking a puppy to work. Always at my heels and wrapped round my legs!
Hoping it improves with use.
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So far it’s like taking a puppy to work. Always at my heels and wrapped round my legs!
Hoping it improves with use.
It doesn't. 😁
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I use purefreedoms red hose and exceeds blue pole hose.
Years ago , I used to get tangled up something ridiculous but since my hoes are permanently attached , I don’t seem to get in a tangle anymore 🤷♂️.
Iv just had these delivered , no need for disconnecting hoses and it can’t break .
https://www.carbuilder.com/uk/steel-reducing-joiner-8mm-to-6mm
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Kinked already at the pole base. Not impressed with it one little bit! Seems the same as Exceed blue.
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It ain't much fun is it Dave!!
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Kinked already at the pole base. Not impressed with it one little bit! Seems the same as Exceed blue.
We use exceed , Gardiners green Pu, and ionics orange pole hose never have any issues with any of them we are hose less set up so the pole hose is on the hose reels we have 30 meters on every reel (12 of them ) and find all work well Gardiners green is the stiffest we use hot water on all vans but have used it will cold and not had any issues with them using that either , I think you must be twisting it up yourself some how .
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Kinked already at the pole base. Not impressed with it one little bit! Seems the same as Exceed blue.
You must be doing something wrong then because iv used this set up for the past 3 years and never had any issues. Stop spinning your pole round and round and round
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I’d like my hose to trail flat along the ground, go up an extended 30’ pole without jamming and coil up in the van after use.
I use warm water all year, tend to leave pole hose and reel connected only disconnecting to straighten the hose out. Exceed and Gardiners Green will only coil back up if you introduce a twist. All season not so bad. Very surprised to see a kink the first day. Alex will no doubt explain it’s all due to bad hose management ;D
My anger management consultant thinks all pole hose is crap.
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Are you guys disconnecting after every job?
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Are you guys disconnecting after every job?
Yes and then connecting into a return to tank hose to keep the water hot in the reels .
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That’s why you get no trouble then, hot water too I guess.
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Are you guys disconnecting after every job?
I never disconnect whilst working , but I only use cold . On a weekend, I disconnect and straighten pole hose
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We disconnect every time it goes back in the van. Never found the perfect pole hose yet.
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When I used the green hose I disconnected every time (it was before I used the slick2connect) and trust me, the stuff is no better connected or disconnected. I bought it on the back of a rave review on here and I have to say, it's the worst hose I have ever used in 17 years! It's probably ok with hot water but not cold. I used it for 6 months hoping it would get better, but it didn't. I then tried it again (same piece of hose) for another 6 months and it never got any better- it drove me bloody mad!! ;D It's a terrible product for cold wfp and never lays flat, kinks and even knots itself! Never used anything like it (fortunately) Give me all season for cold water anyday.
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The light green hose is different to the older (5.5mm) green PU Hose. It is a slightly thicker wall and is a more flexible formulation than the older green hose that perhaps some tried in the past.
As with all PU hoses this is slightly more rigid in use than a PVC hose - that is the nature of PU tubing and why it lasts so long in use even with hot water. Because of this tougher material it usually needs a good few weeks use to start to break it in fully and get full usability from it.
We do notice that whilst many users will love one type of hose others hate it - its very subjective a bit like brush choice. It really does depend on your own user experience and most probably work used on. Whilst this light green hose has been very popular since its launch about 2 years ago (and far more popular than the orange PU hose), it still does not suit everyone.
As has been said before (so feel free to blank this bit Dave!) how you use and manage your hose will make the biggest difference to twisting and kinking the hose. It is best for the hose if the pole can be disconnected from the hose reel after each job and carefully coiled up in a loose coil before putting away. This applies whether using a 'hoseless' setup or not. Leaving the pole connected after each job will make any twists and loops that have been created by the pole movement on the job to be forced to stay in the hose upon coiling up the reel.
Disconnecting allows these to fall out after each job and will greatly prolong the life of any hose and help prevent kinks and loops. It will also reduce frustration on the job - as much as can be expected as pole hose can be the most frustrating of products even when looked after beautifully :D
If absolute flexibility is needed and only cold or at most warm water is being used then the reinforced flexible PVC hose is very flexible and easy to use - however it is not as long lasting as any of the other hoses.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1596532019_B91AA509-75C5-46C9-92C7-89BFE86C6D79.jpeg)
Non kink, my arse! ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1596532019_B91AA509-75C5-46C9-92C7-89BFE86C6D79.jpeg)
Non kink, ******* ;D
Hi Dave
In standard use this hose is very resistant to kinking and will only kink if folded over very tight - usually this has to be done by hand or it can happen if folded across a tight edge, perhaps repetitively. You can test its resistance to kinking by taking a fresh section and then by hand folding the hose over with your fingers about 20cm apart- you can touch the two parts of the hose together and it will not kink at the bend. With use it will only become more flexible.
If you feel that the hose is somehow faulty then please fill in our online warranty form - https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/y4oVnS - and we can arrange for you to send this back to us and we can explore further for you :)
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Dave get the water to 65-70 degrees it’ll stop kinking out of submission 🤣.
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i must admit i dont seem to get much trouble from my pole hose since I had my diesel heater installed.....i too disconnect the pole hose and plug it into my return valves when i go back to my van to keep my water hot......i use exceed blue and orange PU hose....
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I love hot water 🚿
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Better today (apart from the kink). I’ve given up coiling by hand and simply wind as much as possible onto the reel (valve and all). Not disconnected either. Turned the pole around during storage so the hose doesn’t go back on itself.
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How far is the kink into the hose if it’s not to far cut the kink out and put another crimp round it.
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It’s where it exits the pole handle, Exceed blue is exactly the same. Used to snip a bit off near the brush head now and again to move the crease along a bit. Storing the pole in a drain pipe probably doesn’t help.
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Not banging on about hot water but it always does that with cold water I never get this problem at all with hot
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Many years ago I had the same problem with the stiffer pole hose kinking at the base when extending the pole.
Jouk45 was a member of the forum then and he suggested that I spend a few moments 'spinning' the pole hose out of its coil before connecting it up to the main hose.
Very really do we get a 'birds nest' at the base since then. I've still got a length of orange hose from Exceed on my everyday SLX22 when Steve first started selling it with the Aquadaptor. I've had this pole 9 years and this hose was on my CLX22 before that.
Talking of Jouk45 (I think his name was Joe), does anyone know how he is? I often think of him as he was one of the original posters on this forum who helped me to get started into wfp with my many questions and problems.
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I remember him, wasn’t he part time window cleaner and security officer?
Couple of other oldies must have packed up by now. Dai from Wales and Jeff all into DIY before Alex took off.
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I remember him, wasn’t he part time window cleaner and security officer?
Couple of other oldies must have packed up by now. Dai from Wales and Jeff all into DIY before Alex took off.
Actually now you say this Dave, I seem to remember some like that regarding Joe. For a part timer he knew his stuff.
Dia was a regular poster and then his posts became less and less frequent. He was older than I am and had a young child. I often wondered about him as well.
Not sure about Jeff Brimble. His website is still going with Chris. He was on about Nano technology and treating the windows he cleaned with a titanium coating to reduce cleaning frequencies. I watched this with interest for a number of years waiting for the next big jump in wfp window cleaning but it never happened.
We called Jeff Thimble Brimble because he was able to wash and rinse a window with a cup of water. But he only cleaned glass and never touched the upper frames which I didn't feel was right. We purchased a trad round from a window cleaner who only cleaned the glass. The window frames were disgusting so I always related the two.
Who was it who had the DIY forum at one time? I remember him shaving the weight off of a Vikan brush. He made it lighter but I would have been embarrassed cleaning windows with a customer seeing it.
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It’s where it exits the pole handle, Exceed blue is exactly the same. Used to snip a bit off near the brush head now and again to move the crease along a bit. Storing the pole in a drain pipe probably doesn’t help.
Hi Dave
This will be the main reason that you always get the kink in the hose - being folded over the end of the pole in storage in the drain pipe.
Is there a way of storing it without having the hose folded over in the pipe?
Have you tried the Reinforced flexible PVC hose we do? It is very soft and flexible, but not suitable for hot water. Although it would also fold over it would not then take on a permanent kink due to being much softer.
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I remember him, wasn’t he part time window cleaner and security officer?
Couple of other oldies must have packed up by now. Dai from Wales and Jeff all into DIY before Alex took off.
Actually now you say this Dave, I seem to remember some like that regarding Joe. For a part timer he knew his stuff.
Dia was a regular poster and then his posts became less and less frequent. He was older than I am and had a young child. I often wondered about him as well.
Not sure about Jeff Brimble. His website is still going with Chris. He was on about Nano technology and treating the windows he cleaned with a titanium coating to reduce cleaning frequencies. I watched this with interest for a number of years waiting for the next big jump in wfp window cleaning but it never happened.
We called Jeff Thimble Brimble because he was able to wash and rinse a window with a cup of water. But he only cleaned glass and never touched the upper frames which I didn't feel was right. We purchased a trad round from a window cleaner who only cleaned the glass. The window frames were disgusting so I always related the two.
Who was it who had the DIY forum at one time? I remember him shaving the weight off of a Vikan brush. He made it lighter but I would have been embarrassed cleaning windows with a customer seeing it.
I remember Dai and Jeff Brimble. I think JB adapted a wheelchair for a water fed system.
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I never had a 'permanent' kink in the green hose. It would kink in use as it would coil and tangle so easily.
I remember all the oldies, I think Jouk45 had a son who died and was (understandably) less active on here thereafter. There was Matt too- had a wfp diy website, then later a wc'ing forum. Wasn't he from your neck of the woods Dave? He was into VW campers.
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I remember Jeff Brimble wasn’t it he was very knowledgeable he must have been one of the first that went WFP,always posting pics with his trolley etc.
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Yea Matt’s still about. I’m sure there was another Jeff too who may have started a forum with Joe.
Alex, I’ve had the reinforced in the past and it was ok. The daft thing for me was using all those barbed joiners restricting the flow.
Green has improved a little since forcing it around the reel where it doesn’t want to be. I now lay the pole in the van brush first to get rid of the bend.
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Do you find you're getting the kinks all day and all of the night?
Or is it worse during days especially on a sunny afternoon?
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I use this hose, hot and cold.
Only once had a problem, probably due to poor hose control.
Now I leave it connected all day, loop it in big loops before returning to the van. It’s probably quite long as it’s from my backpack days.
At night I disconnect it and big loop it, keeping it in shape with the Gardiner easy wraps x 4. This keeps the hose in shape for the next use. Has worked well.
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How's this hose going Dave? If it's an improvement on the older green stuff I may try some. If it consumes more time and effort to manage than it's worth then I'll give it a miss. I reckon we have similar patience thresholds! 😁
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Wouldn’t recommend it. Still using it and will continue with it. Had a couple of knots today which would baffle a boy scout. Best thing about it is no need for inserts. Title of the product is very misleading imo. Ultra flexible it certainly isn’t 😀