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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jay moley on May 26, 2020, 09:08:35 pm
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I'm thinking about knocking conservatory roof cleans on the head.
I hate doing them. Takes ages and is physically a lot harder than window cleaning,
Also customers don't expect a high price, I guess because they don't realise the work involved.
Anyone else stopped doing them?
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I'm thinking about knocking conservatory roof cleans on the head.
I hate doing them. Takes ages and is physically a lot harder than window cleaning,
Also customers don't expect a high price, I guess because they don't realise the work involved.
Anyone else stopped doing them?
it just depends...if they are easy access and pitched then yes if they are willing to pay.....most dont though because they think the price is too high......
a very slightly sloping glass roof with hardly any fall whatsoever and high up enough to need poling from a ladder?.......no chance at any price!same for pitched roofs that are sloping towards the house on one side and bad access......
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I love them, tbh it usually works out x2 the regular window cleaning rate p/h
but if you hate doing them decline the work or charge more for the grief - either way your better off
Darran
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We don’t like them but starting prices for a glass roof are from a £100 upwards we dont get all we price guessing probably 40-55% but they are priced well so happy to do them , usually they are done with a gfs clean as well , so a good add on .
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We don’t like them but starting prices for a glass roof are from a £100 upwards we dont get all we price guessing probably 40-55% but they are priced well so happy to do them , usually they are done with a gfs clean as well , so a good add on .
As above.
You cant mess around.. to do a good job you're going to spend alot more time and water (even if you use thier tap) you'll still use more water for rinsing. Just charge appropriately and you may enjoy them a little more.
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Larry loves em pass em on to him doesn’t matter how small they are if it’s an hours work say,he’ll want 300 🤣🤣🤣
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Gut instinct says to stop doing them.
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Gut instinct says to stop doing them.
So they're getting the chop.
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stop doing them if it makes you happier in your work life.....i dont clear gutters out or do inside window cleans anymore because i hated doing them...... :)
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Gut instinct says to stop doing them.
So they're getting the chop.
I agree (exceptions below).
But I am getting older and want less wear and tear on the body and so am looking to stop and sell or rent on my 4 storey stuff. I think part of it is pricing. The customer doesn't grasp that a green conny roof is a lot more time than repeat windows and I find it emotionally hard to educate them that they are looking at £100/200 rather than £40/£60.
Exceptions.
Customer who has a lean-to roof washed every 16 weeks (every other time) and another who has a tiny conservatory lean to included every time.
If it's regular and lean to (easily accessible) and opaque then OK.
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Gut instinct says to stop doing them.
So they're getting the chop.
And that's finial?
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I never stop doing anything I can do if I can’t do it I’ll get someone who can,I don’t want anyone going to a property I clean that does the same job as me ie windows,I’ve got a slate roof to clean + facias and soffits etc ill get someone I know that normally helps me about 1050-1200 worth of work easy money.
Hot water makes conservatories easy work.
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Larry loves em pass em on to him doesn’t matter how small they are if it’s an hours work say,he’ll want 300 🤣🤣🤣
300 :o my prices have gone up since then ;D
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Gut instinct says to stop doing them.
So they're getting the chop.
And that's finial?
Yeah. Don't need the grief.
Can make much better money doing windows in time it takes to do a roof.
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I walked away from an fsg job this morning.
Cleaned a customers windows £15. Put all stuff back in van, then he came out saying youve forgot to do the fascias.
I said sorry I forgot I said I would do them, how much did I quote? ( I vaguely remember the convo but this was before lockdown)
£30.
Oh ffs why did I say £30 :-X....
So I looked at it and just sighed, can't do all that for £30, plus it's red hot i really cba. Plus I've just cleaned all his windows and im going to have to do them all again.
Anyway just as im trying to get the words together he hops in his car and says I'm off out ill transfer you the money for windows and fascias later.
So I'm stood there on the drive just looking at the job, I gave the front a little tickle in the hope the dirt would just melt away and perhaps I could bang this out in half an hour.... It's just didn't come off easily.. I reckon at least and hour and a half plus re cleaning all the windows...
b******s to this, slung gear in van and drove off. I don't care if he bins me off I'm not doing that in this weather for that price. Loads to do as it is today I don't need that.
Moral of the story, I always regret taking on add ons, they crop up on a day like today when I've got loads of windows to do and it's baking hot.
I hate them and I always quote them way too cheap, I darent tell them I want £100 plus lol so I end up saying a daft price and getting myself into it.
Add ons are just not worth it unless you getting way above your hourly rate.
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Funnily enough I did turn down a regular customer today. In reply to his text I told him I no longer do FSG and gave him my son in law Dan the Man's number. ;D
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why do you feel you can't charge £100 for the soffit/Fascia and gutters ?
Darran
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why do you feel you can't charge £100 for the soffit/Fascia and gutters ?
Darran
It is awkward sometimes when you’re thinking say £100 plus & the customer’s thinking an extra tenner!
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Or when they want it done for literally nothing. “Just squirt the facias while you’re there” f*** off.
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I walked away from an fsg job this morning.
I do find it hard work too as I am getting older.
I would rather just clean windows and I also do not mind cleaning out gutters but FSG and Conservatory roofs I am finding it harder to do these days but as I do not have enough window cleaning customers I am still doing them.
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I walked away from an fsg job this morning.
Cleaned a customers windows £15. Put all stuff back in van, then he came out saying youve forgot to do the fascias.
I said sorry I forgot I said I would do them, how much did I quote? ( I vaguely remember the convo but this was before lockdown)
£30.
Oh ffs why did I say £30 :-X....
So I looked at it and just sighed, can't do all that for £30, plus it's red hot i really cba. Plus I've just cleaned all his windows and im going to have to do them all again.
Anyway just as im trying to get the words together he hops in his car and says I'm off out ill transfer you the money for windows and fascias later.
So I'm stood there on the drive just looking at the job, I gave the front a little tickle in the hope the dirt would just melt away and perhaps I could bang this out in half an hour.... It's just didn't come off easily.. I reckon at least and hour and a half plus re cleaning all the windows...
b******s to this, slung gear in van and drove off. I don't care if he bins me off I'm not doing that in this weather for that price. Loads to do as it is today I don't need that.
Moral of the story, I always regret taking on add ons, they crop up on a day like today when I've got loads of windows to do and it's baking hot.
I hate them and I always quote them way too cheap, I darent tell them I want £100 plus lol so I end up saying a daft price and getting myself into it.
Add ons are just not worth it unless you getting way above your hourly rate.
thats a proper newbie thing you did today adam...... ;D.......f/s/g jobs are ok if you price them right......i picked one up the other day £150.......its a 2 hour job(2 and a half if their in when i clean it) 8)
i also priced up a large self cleaning glass roof today.....£120 (2 hour job)...but she thought it was expensive so declined.....no way am i dropping my price!its filthy! ;D
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Offer 2 levels of service
1. Glass only and a get the worst off the frame. Say £30
2. Full clean, glass, finials, frames edging gutters blah blah £120.
Then you know what the customer's expectations are and you can price accordingly.
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Offer 2 levels of service
1. Glass only and a get the worst off the frame. Say £30
2. Full clean, glass, finials, frames edging gutters blah blah £120.
Then you know what the customer's expectations are and you can price accordingly.
But then you gotta put your name to it.
Do a proper job for proper money or don't bother.
That's a note to myself btw ;D
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I walked away from an fsg job this morning.
Cleaned a customers windows £15. Put all stuff back in van, then he came out saying youve forgot to do the fascias.
I said sorry I forgot I said I would do them, how much did I quote? ( I vaguely remember the convo but this was before lockdown)
£30.
Oh ffs why did I say £30 :-X....
So I looked at it and just sighed, can't do all that for £30, plus it's red hot i really cba. Plus I've just cleaned all his windows and im going to have to do them all again.
Anyway just as im trying to get the words together he hops in his car and says I'm off out ill transfer you the money for windows and fascias later.
So I'm stood there on the drive just looking at the job, I gave the front a little tickle in the hope the dirt would just melt away and perhaps I could bang this out in half an hour.... It's just didn't come off easily.. I reckon at least and hour and a half plus re cleaning all the windows...
b******s to this, slung gear in van and drove off. I don't care if he bins me off I'm not doing that in this weather for that price. Loads to do as it is today I don't need that.
Moral of the story, I always regret taking on add ons, they crop up on a day like today when I've got loads of windows to do and it's baking hot.
I hate them and I always quote them way too cheap, I darent tell them I want £100 plus lol so I end up saying a daft price and getting myself into it.
Add ons are just not worth it unless you getting way above your hourly rate.
thats a proper newbie thing you did today adam...... ;D.......f/s/g jobs are ok if you price them right......i picked one up the other day £150.......its a 2 hour job(2 and a half if their in when i clean it) 8)
i also priced up a large self cleaning glass roof today.....£120 (2 hour job)...but she thought it was expensive so declined.....no way am i dropping my price!its filthy! ;D
I know, i just cant bring the words out of my mouth....ONE HUNDRED AND...lol
I have found when quoting in the past these people are expecting way less than what i would ideally want to charge.
Like you say it has to be £60 per hour really for add on work.
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Offer 2 levels of service
1. Glass only and a get the worst off the frame. Say £30
2. Full clean, glass, finials, frames edging gutters blah blah £120.
Then you know what the customer's expectations are and you can price accordingly.
But then you gotta put your name to it.
Do a proper job for proper money or don't bother.
That's a not to myself btw ;D
It's more about meeting customer's expectations.
I get texts saying 'can you do the conservatory roof'
Some customers literally just want the glass cleaned, because the sun is out. They really don't want to spend any money but they want it nice to look out of.
Others want a full conny makeover.
By offering 2 levels of service, it helps me 'clarify' what they actually want.
And as for putting my name to it, I offer a top quality job and service, my customers know that and I have nothing to prove.
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Offer 2 levels of service
1. Glass only and a get the worst off the frame. Say £30
2. Full clean, glass, finials, frames edging gutters blah blah £120.
Then you know what the customer's expectations are and you can price accordingly.
i cleaned it a few years ago for the woman who lived there before.... i have to stand on the neighbours flat roof to access it properly.........its really not worth faffing about with for £30....i dont want the job anyway...unless she agrees to pay me £120! :)
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when I was younger I didn't mind doing them, but I found myself rushing and working like a crazy fool to finish it . these days I don't get many and don't like doing them . however from now on, if anyone asks I will quote but I am going to charge accordingly.
I find it bizzare that people can spend 20k and upwards on a connie but wont spend £100/ £200 getting it maintained.
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when I was younger I didn't mind doing them, but I found myself rushing and working like a crazy fool to finish it . these days I don't get many and don't like doing them . however from now on, if anyone asks I will quote but I am going to charge accordingly.
I find it bizzare that people can spend 20k and upwards on a connie but wont spend £100/ £200 getting it maintained.
exactly......some people WILL pay though.....the others can do it themselves or find someone cheaper.......my time is precious.i only actually physically work 20-25 hours a week and each hour must count.......
long gone are the days where i used to do these sorts of jobs dirt cheap....they are hard work,take time and use a lot of water.....ive also spent a lot of money on my van,poles and system.......im not cleaning them for £30!
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I've never massively underpriced them but just hate the work.
Maybe £10 a panel is the way to go, £50 minimum.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1590615230_Screenshot_20200527_223122.jpg)
This is why I cringe at quoting a decent price.
I know it's a window clean quote but the same principle applies! I'm up against some really cheap competition round here.
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unbelievable !!!! she has been quoted £4. so instead of getting them done at £4 she asks you to quote..... maybe thinking you can do it for £3
these are people I avoid like the plague, and the reason I always charge more for the first clean.
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unbelievable !!!! she has been quoted £4. so instead of getting them done at £4 she asks you to quote..... maybe thinking you can do it for £3
these are people I avoid like the plague, and the reason I always charge more for the first clean.
That seems weird Gomo. The use of "initial scrub" seems like someone who knows window cleaner jargon.
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£4?
Crikey Adam, you really have got some competition!
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£4?
Crikey Adam, you really have got some competition!
Yep.
Well, almost as it was written in the stars I got asked to do an fsg this afternoon. I went in at £120 and he said that's a reasonable price when can you do it. :D
Could have got a bit more out of him I reckon.
I just can't tell, one person's expensive is another's cheap.
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£4?
Crikey Adam, you really have got some competition!
Yep.
Well, almost as it was written in the stars I got asked to do an fsg this afternoon. I went in at £120 and he said that's a reasonable price when can you do it. :D
Could have got a bit more out of him I reckon.
I just can't tell, one person's expensive is another's cheap.
see....there you go adam......thats more like it.......ive got an out of work barber cleaning some of my customers conny roofs and doing garden jobs at the moment with a yard brush and customers hosepipe.....he s welcome to them.......he s charging them £12-50 an hour......rather him than me! ;D
the only thing is he s gone over the conny windows on one with the hosepipe (and the tap water is 278tds)and its dried on the glass leaving hard water stains...... ::)roll
what do you guys use to get rid of hard water stains?unger rub out or 000 grade wire wool?
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i agree with what some others are saying..
if you charge enough for them (work but annoyance premium too) they are nice to have when they come up
we charge a min of £90 then upwards depending on the size etc.
we dont get all of our enquiries, but as they aren't the most fun jobs thats fine. the ones we do get we're making more than our normal rate on so its worth the hassle
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£4?
Crikey Adam, you really have got some competition!
Yep.
Well, almost as it was written in the stars I got asked to do an fsg this afternoon. I went in at £120 and he said that's a reasonable price when can you do it. :D
Could have got a bit more out of him I reckon.
I just can't tell, one person's expensive is another's cheap.
see....there you go adam......thats more like it.......ive got an out of work barber cleaning some of my customers conny roofs and doing garden jobs at the moment with a yard brush and customers hosepipe.....he s welcome to them.......he s charging them £12-50 an hour......rather him than me! ;D
the only thing is he s gone over the conny windows on one with the hosepipe (and the tap water is 278tds)and its dried on the glass leaving hard water stains...... ::)roll
what do you guys use to get rid of hard water stains?unger rub out or 000 grade wire wool?
Can't say I've ever come across hard water stains, or attempted to remove them.
If something doesnt come off with the brush then it stays on lol
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It depends how skint you are
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Offer 2 levels of service
1. Glass only and a get the worst off the frame. Say £30
2. Full clean, glass, finials, frames edging gutters blah blah £120.
Then you know what the customer's expectations are and you can price accordingly.
But then you gotta put your name to it.
Do a proper job for proper money or don't bother.
That's a note to myself btw ;D
excellent advice
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Every time I agree to do a roof I end up regretting it
I only do them now if it's a regular thing, as they're nice and easy. filthy one offs arent worth the aching arms and shoulders as you get older