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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: the red carpet on July 08, 2006, 05:05:11 pm
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Anyone going to them?
Just got some info from them today and there is a
ncca technical roadshow there on 18th july, with seminars by Robert Saunders, Paul Pearce and more, and demos of all portables and truckmounts and free bbq lunch :D
and a fast track, discovery day there on the 19th and 22nd july, with free bbq again :D
also, anyone ever been on one of the discovery days? what did you think of it? is it worth taking a day off work for?
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I might pop along to the ncca day, hope their bbq is better than their normal buffets,had one on a leather course and wished I'd took sarnies!
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red carpet,
if you have £3000 spare, go, if not go to work as normal, alltec marketing is very clever, you don't think they do the bbq for free do you, try and talk to the main man himself, if you have the money to do his fast track course he'll talk the hind legs off you, if not they move onto the next poor sod ::) :o
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I understand, from previous posts and from my husbands personal experience, that Alltec marketing is excellent.
You don't have to spend a fortune to learn from people. Just being around positive people can charge up your enthusiasm and focus.
My husband has been to many courses and presentations, over the years and was one of the first purchasers of the Pirhanna marketing package.
If you would benefit from a 10% increase in your business, take the day off and just listen.
These people are not out to con you, or rip you off, it's all about motivation, which you will only get in a positive environment, not where you are constantly reading other peoples negative thoughts.
If you think you should go, you probably should.
Good luck
Angie
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No thanks.
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Spick and Span please explain! ???
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See flyfish i agree.
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me too,
money spinner for alltec, thats what fast track is,
and the more go on it the less effective it will become.
one tracker to an area will do well, but 4, 5 and 6 we are seeing now. also its become duiluted by people not on fast track yet stealing the ads and adapting it.
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I agree craigp.....fully
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angela,
if you look into alltec's marketing properlly, you will notice it is based on american advertising, alltec have partnered up with piranha marketing and are selling the joe polish marketing program, if we were in america i would say go for it, but it simply does not work in this country, lets be honest alltec are offering an A3 pink piece of paper folded in half with lots of info on carpet cleaning BASIC COMMAN SENSE for £75, sorry but if you would spend that kind of money on a piece of paper, then good luck to you, but i would'nt and i expect i speak for a lot of pro cc
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Joe Polish system has worked for far more cc than it hasn't. It tells you that you can raise your prices and shows you how.
Education is money well spent.
Shaun
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Discovery day is worth going to just for the free info, If you are not busy what have you to lose.
Fasttrak is for people that have £10000 because the basic may cost is £3000 but to get the result you need the extra money to make all the marketing work.
If it does not work anymore it can only be because the market has been staturated and their is to many cleaners using it.
Their is also cleaners that have done very well using the system making six figures as sole trader's.
American advertising does work but it is not for everyone. You can take from this the good stuff and make it better, its just knowing what to do. I wish that was me.
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neil
let me try to explain something to you, if your carpet cleaning is good and you offer a superb service to your customers, you can put your own price on what you charge, i don't mean rip people off but offer them something no other cc offers, i have a system on cleaning carpets and upholstery that no one else, has and i can charge a very good price, because my customers are prepared to pay for the way i do my cleaning. I recently had a very big well known company director call me and offer me a very good price to sell up in my area, so offer somthing others don't and you will not need to use any marketing ,only your voice and your hands, don't give up
paul johnson
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Guys. According to my information and I believe one ot the success stories is a contributor on Colin something.
The marketing of up.Fastrack, is a business, on it's own right, within the Altec set up
and as such, must be profitable to be viable.
While I agree, to some extent, that the full Joe Polish package won't work, literally, in the U K, some have made it work, sufficiently, to hugely increase their earnings.
My husband bought the original package and there is a lot of useable stuff in it.
What marketing people do for you, is the same as an inspirational coach does for sports men. Increases focus and self belief, encouraging you to, aim a little higher, with the result that your business increases, or your profitability improves.
Not for everyone though, as there will always be the 80% / 20% who will see a half empty, rather than a half full glass !
Good luck
Angie
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Flyfish
Are you sure you understand the meaning of the word, marketing.
What you just posted is a classic example of the kind of advice you would get from a marketing person. Doh !
angie
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i got alot of fast track stuff i dont use it though, its embarressing, really!
i got for free and dont use it, lol,
testament to that a customer said they had a trackers pink A3 through the door and was suspious of it, too hard sell. and simalar another job i got from leaflet also had it, said she thought it was bit intense reading. so used me ;D
that said like angie says must work with majourity of people,
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angela,
i sell marketing products for a living so yes doh, i do understand what im talking about, the piranha marketing your husband bought and most proberly paid hundreds for, ;D i used to sell for £20, if you are looking for someone who sells marketing items that work, try looking on ebay on carpet cleaning, you will see someone selling carpet cleaning info (linacalo) look at their feedback
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Now you're confusing me Flyfish. First you say, don't waste money on marketing info, then you say you're a marketing professional and not only that, you have a mystery, unique system for cleaning suites and carpets, which makes you a cleaning expert.
Wow !
Angie
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angela,
some people need marketing to help them ,others don't, notice i stated used to sell piranha marketing package for £20 (NO ONE WANTED IT ANGELA) altec sell it for about £6-£700 i did not state i was a professional in marketing, ??? only that i sell it ( stuff that works)
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Flyfish, I take it you are linacalo then, not trying to sell on hear again are you.
If you are linacalo I have brought some of your stuff and its the same as any of the fast trak stuff that is available.
Linacalo got removed from hear last year for trying to get items from people that he/she good sell on ebay but was rumbled.
Selling copyrighted marketing on ebay is not what I feel people should be doing, most of us could do that but have more morals than that and want to make money without stealing from others.
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I have to agree with Neil
angie
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I bought this stuff on EBay and it contained trademarked material by Solutions UK. I checked with them and no permission had been sought. Don't leave anything other than positive feedback though, unless you like being insulted!
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Iv booked up on both, ncca on the 18th and discovery day on the 19th
So if any of you do end up going i will see you there
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fasttrack is excellent if you do what you are supposed to do
i followed it and with amazing success
currently booked solid for 3 weeks
try it , you might be surprised!!!!!!!!!!
p.s i now get quality jobs at the prices i want.
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Hi Red Carpet. Look forward to seeing you there as I'm up to see some old friends. PS Hi Colin how are you? are you going to make it? Martin :)
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please please do not go on this - it will entice you to spend some money - to make you earn even more money - go figure !!!!!
David
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If you have never been worth a visit then you can make up your own mind!
Wish they were done over a weekend would make more sense
Colin
Can you quantify (i now get quality jobs at the prices i want) I understand last bit (Think all gets that if not a fool) but the first bit at a loss quality jobs! Bit double Dutch.
David
How’s life, are you going too the sdo in Essex.
Len
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im not on FT and booked up for 3 weeks.
come on len, theres good jobs and bad jobs, he means high end lightly soiled etc.
some have found (i been told) that FT requires more spending and extra work than is worth it for the return.
maybe thats a recent phomanon cus theres tooo many, cover one city.
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Len, they do do them of a weekend its on again on sat 22nd
Craig, same here iv been fully booked for the last three weeks without f/t, but im going there with a open mind you never know what you might pick up
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hi folks where do the seminars take place
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Alltec
royston, hertfordshire
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if you are like Colin who may be doing 2k a week without breaking a sweat then don't go.
Shaun
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but colin is on it.
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Colin WAS on it, he learned what he needed and then.....
Shaun
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ah.. i think you can learn all thats needed without doing FT, its all out there.
do you they say corny stuff like, 'open a window of opportunity' on FT? lol
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Why do people make such a big deal about how long in advanced they are booked up, whether you're booked up a week in advanced or 3 weeks you still make the same amount of money.
one of JPs tapes of the month said if you are booked up well in advance then your not charging enough.
If you are booked up 3 week in advance then you are a slave to your business, my wife has a been given a day of next week so we are going shopping in York and then having a lunch by the river I can do this because I'm only booked up a week in advance.
some of you need to start controlling your marketing, if you start getting too far ahead with your appointments then cut it back,
Mike
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i agree with you mike pointless having too many bookings that you cant control . also we all need time to chill now and again. i have been so busy of late and now have decided to take the weekends off to spend time with the family and also not work too long in the day as i used to . i am finished by 2 or 3 in the afternoon so i can spend time with the kids, they are only young once.
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Why do people make such a big deal about how long in advanced they are booked up, whether you're booked up a week in advanced or 3 weeks you still make the same amount of money.
one of JPs tapes of the month said if you are booked up well in advance then your not charging enough.
If you are booked up 3 week in advance then you are a slave to your business, my wife has a been given a day of next week so we are going shopping in York and then having a lunch by the river I can do this because I'm only booked up a week in advance.
some of you need to start controlling your marketing, if you start getting too far ahead with your appointments then cut it back,
Mike
If they are booked up for three weeks that is excellent.
It now gives them the opportunity to start increasing their prices and risk loosing a few sales.
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Why do people make such a big deal about how long in advanced they are booked up, whether you're booked up a week in advanced or 3 weeks you still make the same amount of money.
one of JPs tapes of the month said if you are booked up well in advance then your not charging enough.
If you are booked up 3 week in advance then you are a slave to your business, my wife has a been given a day of next week so we are going shopping in York and then having a lunch by the river I can do this because I'm only booked up a week in advance.
some of you need to start controlling your marketing, if you start getting too far ahead with your appointments then cut it back,
Mike
If they are booked up for three weeks that is excellent. But agree it comprmises your life style and flexiability.
It now gives them the opportunity to start increasing their prices and risk loosing a few sales.
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Ian, you thought your answer was so good you felt the need to quote yourself ;) ;)
if they do then fantastic, but lets get away from the stereotypical way of thinking that success is measured by how much work you've got booked in
Mike
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Actually Mike I started out with a ;ittle quip about you but deleted it as I did not want to get into trouble with the moderators.
;D ;D ;D
Hence the qoute, then I got confused it all ended up in qoutes
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hope i didnt sound like i was boasting, just wanted to point out that u not got be FT to get real busy, 3 weeks for me is definutly not the norm, normally i consider 2 weeks booked up to be busy ;D
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in trouble with the moderators you are the moderator!! what was you going to do, send yourself to bed early without any tea.
and you can keep your little quips to yourself, they only come out of your jealousy of my hugely successful carpet cleaning business :D :D :D
Mike
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Mike, does this mean that you would rather not have any bookings and wait for the phone to ring??
advance bookings, mean that you can relax a bit, but i do agree that you don't want to be booked too far in advance, but 3 weeks in advance i'snt that long!
if however you were booked up 3 months in advance then maybe your price should increase
as for being a slave to your business?????????
i've never had so much time off in my whole working life
i choose who i work for and won't take any crap off any of my customers
i dont want to be cleaning really filthy, smelly carpets so i try to target better areas and most of the time, that seems to work, but also some people in these areas are filthy, rotten peasants, so i don't take the jobs on.
what do i mean by quality jobs?
EG light soiled carpets, larger jobs so i don't have to go from place to place in one day and repeat and referal jobs.
i won't be at alltec this time because im on holiday that week!!
so whoever does go, have a great time.
p.s i also agree that you don't have to follow a programme like fasttrack, but i did and it worked really well for me and have no regretts whatsoever
i hope that ever carpet cleaner in the land makes a good business for themselves, and i think more people sholud help and congratulate anybody who is trying to build any business., cause it is hard work, and at the begining it was a real struggle, despite all the training and marketing but now , for me at least, things are working well, and long may it last
thats it, got to pack
bye bye.
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Colin
Have a nice hol (dictated by the wife/partner) ;D
Quality just like the rest of us, look see = £’s black top and all another few more £signs. Should have taken up pluming ???
Slave only when I go to bed! Other times, wife has to book an appointment; until I get a call from her in panic mode, customer understands ;D
It’s getting scary customer are booking in advance haven’t got 07 diary is it printed? :(
Len
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Both turned out to be fairly good days, lots of food for thought and i definatly took somthing away from both days so worth going to in my opinion.
If you havent and you do get a chance i would say its somthing worth doing.
Looking forward to Peters event now for the next free bbq ;D
Am strongly considering joining Roberts fast track program but still not totally convinced, however i think i will go with it
one thing i will say for fast track that i have never seen mentioned on here, is its not just a marketing package you also get a lot of training included as well.
You get the carpet and upholstery iicrc courses wich entitle you to join the ncca and loads more on your choice of subjects, carpet repair, stain removal, leather cleaning, leather repair, curtain cleaning and loads more. I think in total its 13 days training leading to about 7 certificates wich will look nice in your portfolio and probably open up a few new areas for you.
So even if not one bit of the marketing worked for you, you would still take something away from it all
And thats 100% guaranteed or your money back, see i sound like a fast tracker allready ;)
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whats the cost Red I must have missed that bit on the day ???
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£3500 but you can pay over the year by direct debit
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Phew?? I should co - co
Still I am of a similar opinion as you it sounds good, there is no magic just good tried and tested method I guess oh and training
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Daniel,
I look forward to receiving your CD in 18 months time, I think if you check back the training has always been mentioned.
Mike your right I have always been jelous of your success ;D ;D ;D
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Done quite a few searches Ian, and never found anyting mentioned about the training just the marketing and im sure if i missed it a few others have to.
At the end of the day if your someone who is interested in training it dosent make this such a bad deal, 13 days training at say £100 a day is £1300 so if your paying them £3500 you only stand to loose just over half your money and thats if its completly useless.
Forgot to say that trainings, for you and a couple of members of staff if you have them.
Must admit i thought the two guys there "Martin Riley" and "Kevin Barber" could have so easily been a couple of Roberts palls just bunged a few quid to turn up and make all these claims and was dubious.
But its comforting to see Martins a member on here and has been for some time, and i done a few searches on the net and they are both in the cc game, so it must be true.
So Martin now i actually belive you, congratulations on what you seemed to have achieved.
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Not sure if its still there but Martin was selling his ninja on Ebay .
Said he no longer cleaned but spent quality time with family etc. and cocentrated on marketing.
What Im a bit puzzled about is Martins been the success story for over two years and yes an insperation, was there not a new success last year. And Kevin as long as I can remember
And as you say Danniel you got the Guarantee and as you are implementing most of the statergies anyway but maybee Fastrack can improve your performance you would have no worries if you felt it was not working for you.
As I read it, the get out clause for Alltec is if you do not implement what you have been taught .?
I put that as a question as it may have changed.
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30 day free trial, you can get out in that time with no catches.
then i think after six months you have to send robert a letter and prove you have at least been trying the adds ect, and you can get out.
After a year, i think you need a accountants letter proving that you havent earnt more than £50,000 and you again need to prove you have tried by i guess showing your y/p add ect.
Kevin was picking up a brand new van on the day all fittid out with a/c and extras, with a brand new dual wand t/m with all the bits and pieces all sign written and lined and racked out. Nicest van iv seen in our buisness so he must be doing something right, and i belive martin has the same.
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Red, cant be, I have the nicest van, he says with a smile. Best, Dave. Must be true even Rob Saunders
said so!!!!!!
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Red, be awear, but the costs are not just £3500. To implement everything you will need minimum of another £7000 on top to get things going.
If you got the cash great but if you are starting on a tight budget you will struggle to implement things.
System is good but it does concern me that their are so many now. How many in your current YP?
I did a qoute the other day where two of the other quotes used the same system, it became very hard to sell it because you werent different. What made it so good is that you were different from the others that just turn up and write the price on the back of a fAg packet.
The three stage letters work a treat but you will get the odd one that will take you for the 200sq ft of cleaning.
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What is the additional 7K for ?
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printing and distribution of leaflets, placing y/p ads, and other marketing i would think
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Red,
I'm not negative because I use a lot of the Fast Trak material in my own marketing and it works very well.
I just found out that the real cost was not just the £3500 and as a new start last year I found the costs just to much and thought that i would be better served waiting until I was more established.
You are right as regard YP Printing and delivery.
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i would echo neils words, IT WILL NOT WORK FOR ALL.
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£3500 + £7000 = £10500 spent in the first year for fast track.
save your money, employ a worker on minimum wage have him put out leaflets in average areas and hand deliver sales letter to the upper end of the market. or employ an experienced telesales person to cold call business owners.
this will make more money than any bought marketing plan.
Mike