Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Evan on April 18, 2020, 10:42:44 am
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Anyone ever used 14 on the tds reading...got a full tank of it don’t want to waste it but will it leave spots??
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I have used up to 20 you should be fine but just incase I would avoid the realy fussy customers as sometimes it will spot but only if its really hot and a bit windy but 99%of time its fine for me
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Try it on your own house
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I never risk anything above 5.
I would be worried too much.
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No problem at all.
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Will be fine 👍🏼
I’ve cleaned up to 20 several times.
Just make sure you rinse thoroughly!
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It'll be fine don't even worry about it
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It'll be fine don't even worry about it
This.
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I dont usually go over 2 from the machine then change di o will stick to my methods ;D
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It'll be fine don't even worry about it
This.
This too.👍
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Anyone ever used 14 on the tds reading...got a full tank of it don’t want to waste it but will it leave spots??
wash your car and van with it and your own windows and see if it leaves spots...this sunny weather is forecast to last all next week and it shows up every little mark on the windows.....it might be fine but you dont know what that 14tds consists of as it varies across the country depending on your water supply......how much does a full tank of water cost you?a lot less than your reputation thats for sure.....
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It'll be fine don't even worry about it
This.
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I have been using wfp for nearly 25 years now and never went over 002 ,then at some point i forgot to check it i was going through a bad illness at time so mind was all over place and the day i checked it ,it was showing 020 i panicked like hell so went round alot of customers i had cleaned which was the realy funny ones and all windows were fine so now i dont change resin as often now normally leave it till it gets around 010 or maybe higher in winter months
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I would never use 14 TDS
Even if you think you could get away with it.
Empty your tank and start again.
Reputation is everything.
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At 014 your hardly gonna get alot of complaints even if any customers say anything it will be a low percentage of them and most of time they will just tell you oh by the way the windows wasn't the best last time hardly gonna sack you for a one time clean where there might be a few spot 🙄
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Why give them the satisfaction to moan.
I personally just like a 00 TDS at all times.
That’s why I check first thing in the morning them when I finished for the day
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You need alot of fussy customers to say something it will hardly be noticed
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I have been using wfp for nearly 25 years now and never went over 002
Wow !! Quite a long time that. Good call.
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cloudy dull weather would be ok, Sunny weather drying on the glass may leave light spotting. Any complaints just apologise say there must be some dust in the air from china .and give them a half price clean or tell them to get a life and stop being a moanie Minnie, haha
No you must try on your own windows and if it dries OK good to go.
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I used 025 for a couple of years when my resin run out with no problems at all. You could probably use a lot higher in all honesty, people get too hung up on a number, there is not magical number where you suddenly get spotting. The higher the TDS the more chances there are of spotting but no one has found that number out. Carry on you will be fine, it will save you a lot in unneeded resin.
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Water in my tank never goes about 4 anyway usually and it goes through a resin bottle in the van,it last ages you’d think it would last a long long time at 000 it does last months but you’d think it would last longer.
I suppose it just being in a resin bottle will degrade it somewhat over time,another debate but if you use PPB you have to calculate usage after normal resin or you won’t know roughly when to change the PPB resin.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners
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Absolutely agree with splash&Dash
Can’t believe some of the comments. you should always have 00 TDS
Why chance it.
I get through a bag of resin every 3 months.
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Nothing to do with being tight wtf s wrong with you guys jesus theres always one that has to have a go
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It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners
How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.
The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?
Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!
It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!
Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract? Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?
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Absolutely agree with splash&Dash
Can’t believe some of the comments. you should always have 00 TDS
Why chance it.
I get through a bag of resin every 3 months.
Why should we always have 000 water, where does it say you should only clean windows with 000 water, it’s just something that has been spouted about on forums for years and people get brainwashed into believing it, if you have never tried higher TDS then you cannot tell other people what they should do as you are advising people without having the necessary experience.
There is no right or wrong if you are happy with the way you do things, give advise, but do not belittle people because they do not conform to your way of thinking.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners
How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.
The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?
Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!
It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!
Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract? Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?
Ime not intrested in getting into some slagging match but you are deluding yourself if you think you are going to clean people’s windows and get good results with a TDS of 14-20 years ago I accidentally cleaned some customers windows with a TDS of 005 not realising it until I had several complaints I then checked the TDS and realised why they had complained, you might get away with it with some customers but low sunlight and it will stand out like a soar thumb . I do shop around for prices on a number of things but rarely buy the cheapest as the old adage of buy cheap buy twise is so true . I offer my customers a top notch service that’s what they are paying for and that’s what they get , we don’t do cheap work never have never will we charge a premium price and the cost of a bag of resin is peanuts , Ime really surprised at the lax attitude towards the standards that a lot have on hear and just remember this is a public forum so your customers can see what you are putting on hear , not exactly a good advert for some buisness is it ?.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners
How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.
The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?
Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!
It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!
Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract? Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?
Ime not intrested in getting into some slagging match but you are deluding yourself if you think you are going to clean people’s windows and get good results with a TDS of 14-20 years ago I accidentally cleaned some customers windows with a TDS of 005 not realising it until I had several complaints I then checked the TDS and realised why they had complained, you might get away with it with some customers but low sunlight and it will stand out like a soar thumb . I do shop around for prices on a number of things but rarely buy the cheapest as the old adage of buy cheap buy twise is so true . I offer my customers a top notch service that’s what they are paying for and that’s what they get , we don’t do cheap work never have never will we charge a premium price and the cost of a bag of resin is peanuts , Ime really surprised at the lax attitude towards the standards that a lot have on hear and just remember this is a public forum so your customers can see what you are putting on hear , not exactly a good advert for some buisness is it ?.
Yes I’m sure my customers come on here to see what I post!
Well all I can say is haven’t used resin for 6/7 years, my ro kicks out at 008 at the moment and I will happily let it go to 025. I’ve been cleaning for 16 years and have a successful business, I also have not had anyone complain about spotting in that time, I have had complaints when I’ve missed bee poo or pollen deposits.
I do regular inside work and get to check my work and can honestly say at 025 you do not get spotting.
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Absolutely agree with splash&Dash
Can’t believe some of the comments. you should always have 00 TDS
Why chance it.
I get through a bag of resin every 3 months.
Why should we always have 000 water, where does it say you should only clean windows with 000 water, it’s just something that has been spouted about on forums for years and people get brainwashed into believing it, if you have never tried higher TDS then you cannot tell other people what they should do as you are advising people without having the necessary experience.
There is no right or wrong if you are happy with the way you do things, give advise, but do not belittle people because they do not conform to your way of thinking.
Sorry but you are wrong the industry standard is to use water with a TDS of 000 or as close to it as possible all the major wfp manufacturers recommend this figure , it’s not something plucked out of the sky the closer to 000 the quicker it will clean and the better the results you will get , that’s a scientific fact , my car will run on cooking oil but will it perform and run nicely on it ?? No way , use a good quality diesel and the mpg and running is much better it’s exactly the same with water TDS
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It never ceases to amaze me how many on hear boast about what they earn per hour ,day, week etc but arnt prepared to pay £80 for bag of resin , for goodness sake be professional and change the resin when it goes above 000 this thread had certainly shown the professional window cleaner from the cowboys , some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves professional cleaners
How is it unprofessional, is there a code of practice that says you have to use resin, or only use water up to a certain PPM.
The customer has no idea what the TDS of the water is, or wether we use resin, as long as the windows are clean and you the customer is happy how much more professional Can you get?
Surly if you want to be the ultimate professional you should have a brand new van every six months, and have an new ionics parts per billion system fitted so the water is even more!
It’s not about being tight it’s about not wasting money when something isn’t needed!
Do you shop around for the cheapest insurance, do you try and buy fuel from the cheapest garage, do you try and get the best deal on a new phone contract? Why spend £80 on a bag or resin when you can save the £80 and still have the same end result!?
Ime not intrested in getting into some slagging match but you are deluding yourself if you think you are going to clean people’s windows and get good results with a TDS of 14-20 years ago I accidentally cleaned some customers windows with a TDS of 005 not realising it until I had several complaints I then checked the TDS and realised why they had complained, you might get away with it with some customers but low sunlight and it will stand out like a soar thumb . I do shop around for prices on a number of things but rarely buy the cheapest as the old adage of buy cheap buy twise is so true . I offer my customers a top notch service that’s what they are paying for and that’s what they get , we don’t do cheap work never have never will we charge a premium price and the cost of a bag of resin is peanuts , Ime really surprised at the lax attitude towards the standards that a lot have on hear and just remember this is a public forum so your customers can see what you are putting on hear , not exactly a good advert for some buisness is it ?.
Yes I’m sure my customers come on here to see what I post!
Well all I can say is haven’t used resin for 6/7 years, my ro kicks out at 008 at the moment and I will happily let it go to 025. I’ve been cleaning for 16 years and have a successful business, I also have not had anyone complain about spotting in that time, I have had complaints when I’ve missed bee poo or pollen deposits.
I do regular inside work and get to check my work and can honestly say at 025 you do not get spotting.
I think we will have to agree to disagree , no way will a TDS of 25 not leave spotting , if that were the case why would water purification companies sell resin or recommend its use ? Any way I cannot be bothered to waste any more time on this subject
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Doh are you thick or what do you realy think that these companies are gonna say its ok to go to 025 then have a big drop in sales because people will stop buying i dont think so wow some people surprise me realy do ,you must have done a realy crap job or you have fussy customers if they complained over 005 .i have been in this game 36 years and almost 25 of them reach and was i dont know how long you have been in game splash but dont tell people how to do their job
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Why would suppliers say we should use 000 oh I don’t know, maybe because they sell resin! If they said you can clean with 15,20,25, then they would loose out on sales of resin and RO filters. There is no regulation, there is no scientific proof it’s only down to trial an error.
As for increased MPG with high quality fuels, then you have been brainwashed by internet talk about it, along with supermarket fuel doesn’t have the additives. It’s all hearsay.
I have over 100k miles logged on a fuel app on all my vehicles, I’ve tried all sorts of fuel addictive, all makes and supposed qualities of fuel and it makes no difference, the only time you need high octane fuel is if your car has been designed or mapped to run on it.
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Doh are you thick or what do you realy think that these companies are gonna say its ok to go to 025 then have a big drop in sales because people will stop buying i dont think so wow some people surprise me realy do ,you must have done a realy crap job or you have fussy customers if they complained over 005 .i have been in this game 36 years and almost 25 of them reach and was i dont know how long you have been in game splash but dont tell people how to do their job
I have been in this job well over 20 years and yes we do have very fussy customers , but that’s not a problem they are paying a premium for top quality work and that’s what we give them . There will always be different opinions as what’s acceptable amongst us and the customers , I don’t care what others do it doesn’t affect my buisness but you cannot successfully clean windows with that sort of reading and get good results , if you are cleaning windows on some grotty council estate maybe you will get away with a bit but when working on 2-20 million pound properties no way will you , we pick up loads of work from other cleaners all the time due to the things mentioned in this thread , the information given out on hear is very misleading for ones starting out you should be using 000 TDS , if using higher levels is ok why do we need TDS meters , just fill your tank from the Tap and use that , what level is acceptable and at what point isn’t it acceptable?... I have had spotting at 005 and we never get call backs there is no way we could use 014-020 and get good results .
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I have a very successful business some of my clients are millionaires but dont want to come across as bragging thats not what im doing ,but i have come to learn over the years that most of customers dont give a crap how their windows are cleaned or what tds its cleaned at 97 %off my customers are happy to get them cleaned they dont go round checking their windows ,with an higher tds reading means like someone said on here just give it a good rinse ,i also do inside of houses aswell and theres never a problem
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Doesn't make us none professional s or cowboys because some of us use a bit higher tds ,you dont know everyone s position on here so its not fair to say that
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I have a very successful business some of my clients are millionaires but dont want to come across as bragging thats not what im doing ,but i have come to learn over the years that most of customers dont give a crap how their windows are cleaned or what tds its cleaned at 97 %off my customers are happy to get them cleaned they dont go round checking their windows ,with an higher tds reading means like someone said on here just give it a good rinse ,i also do inside of houses aswell and theres never a problem
Ime not saying the customer cheats the water with a TDS meter ime saying we should , provided the level is 000 there shouldn’t ever be any issues with spotting the only time I have had complaints was when I had a reading of 005 and hadn’t checked the TDS for a few days that was my fault , so now I check every van every couple of days but know that usually I can get around 12 months out of the resin before it will need changing but as that time approaches I keep a close eye on it and as soon as it goes 001 or more it’s changed , that way I know we won’t have any problems, again this is depending on technique with the cleaning as well ,
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Bottom line
000 TDS that’s the only way you should be cleaning windows.
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Bottom line
000 TDS that’s the only way you should be cleaning windows.
Bottom line, you don't know what you're taking about, the window cleaning magazine did an nationwide experiment a few years back, in some parts of the country it could actually go to 80ppm before causing a problem, 40ppm was the most common, the high calcium areas where the worst but even they could get away with 10ppm, there's nothing wrong in keeping your water a 000ppm but its certainly not a must do.
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What I would do if I had a van tank full of 14 is take my my d. I in the van (with fresh resin) and purify it on demand.
Either that or dump it, I wouldn't use 14 I wouldnt even use 4.
Anything over 2 and I would be changing it.
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Bottom line
000 TDS that’s the only way you should be cleaning windows.
Bottom line, you don't know what you're taking about, the window cleaning magazine did an nationwide experiment a few years back, in some parts of the country it could actually go to 80ppm before causing a problem, 40ppm was the most common, the high calcium areas where the worst but even they could get away with 10ppm, there's nothing wrong in keeping your water a 000ppm but its certainly not a must do.
It depends on what's in your water and also the weather. Hot and direct sunlight has a big effect.
But I think its bad advice and bad practice to use anything other than 0. What's the point of risking it, just use the lowest you can then you can relax knowing there's nothing more you can do. If you use 0 it kills the debate can I use 2, can I use 10 etc. Maybe or maybe not just use zero and problem solved.
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Even using 000 can still get dotty if someone in area is doing building works ,i had a full street cancel because they said i wasnt using pure water until i took a bottle of my filtered water to them and prooved it was pure ,i explained there was a big new housing estate over rd being built which was causing the dotting never had a problem since just made sure i cleaned them on a calm day
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Even using 000 can still get dotty if someone in area is doing building works ,i had a full street cancel because they said i wasnt using pure water until i took a bottle of my filtered water to them and prooved it was pure ,i explained there was a big new housing estate over rd being built which was causing the dotting never had a problem since just made sure i cleaned them on a calm day
That’s dust sticking to the wet window and as it dries leaving marks , that’s different to spotting due to a high TDS reading
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A message to dry clean
I no exactly what I’m talking about.
000 and that’s it.
Perhaps you should start to look how your running your business.
Not very well .
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Another one whats it matter if people are using higher than 000 why does he need to look at how he runs his business whys it bother you guys so much ffs
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Another one whats it matter if people are using higher than 000 why does he need to look at how he runs his business whys it bother you guys so much ffs
It’s to make them feel better and justify to themselves why they waste money on changing resin, and it also makes them feel superior and more professional to those that choose to use a high TDS, when in reality we are all the same, none of us are ‘professionals’ when it boils down to it we are just humble cleaners that can earn a decent living doing a very simple job that anyone could do.
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I know you get the odd few on here that think they are window cleaning gods better than anyone else realy peaves me off ffs
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You can have 000 tds but if you can't rinse proper you might as well not bother what tds you push out.
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Bang on rob everyone seems to think because they have 000 they will get perfect windows as you say if you dont rinse the mucky water off then it says it all doesn't it
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A message to dry clean
I no exactly what I’m talking about.
000 and that’s it.
Perhaps you should start to look how your running your business.
Not very well .
Thanks for the message swanson but if you don't mind Ill let my customers judge if I'm running my business correctly or not,
nothing wrong with keeping your water at 000ppm but will repeat if you think you cant use water above that then you don't know what you're talking about.
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🙂👍dry clean
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As you said everyone runs there business differently.
I run mine with 000 TDS
Others don’t.
To be honest with you all and in the grand scheme of things it’s a pretty naf subject to argue about.