Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: John Mart on March 24, 2020, 06:29:55 am
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures
I read this as we’ve not been told to close. As a business that employs I’m not certain my employees would get 80%. If you’re self employed I’m not sure you’d get it either as no one has told us to close. You can have a pizza delivered FFS!
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This you?
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This you?
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It is. Until I read the above link I’d decided I had to close. Now I think if I do, my staff may not get paid. It’s been badly handled.
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This you?
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It is. Until I read the above link I’d decided I had to close. Now I think if I do, my staff may not get paid. It’s been badly handled.
It has. What so now you're unsure if you're getting a taxpayer funded long holiday?
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This you?
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It is. Until I read the above link I’d decided I had to close. Now I think if I do, my staff may not get paid. It’s been badly handled.
It has. What so now you're unsure if you're getting a taxpayer funded long holiday?
If you’d like a conversation you’re welcome to call me, but I’m not getting into the public spat you may be after. I’ve read you’ve decided to close and that’s fine. I had decided the same until I read the link. I’m not convinced my staff will get paid if we stop and I’ll bow out of this here.
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Don't let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.
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Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%
So the dilemma now is do we carry on working until government confirm who can and can't work, sack employees with immediate effect with no further payments/wages or keep paying them 80% of their weekly wage and take the gamble HMRC will come good.
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Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%
So the dilemma now is do we carry on working until government confirm who can and can't work, sack employees with immediate effect with no further payments/wages or keep paying them 80% of their weekly wage and take the gamble HMRC will come good.
I'm taking the gamble. I've put everyone on enforced holidays for two weeks (probably be three now) and I'm hoping for more clarity by then.
It's literally life and death now.
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Dated 22/3.
Apologies
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Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%
So the dilemma now is do we carry on working until government confirm who can and can't work, sack employees with immediate effect with no further payments/wages or keep paying them 80% of their weekly wage and take the gamble HMRC will come good.
I'm taking the gamble. I've put everyone on enforced holidays for two weeks (probably be three now) and I'm hoping for more clarity by then.
It's literally life and death now.
Be careful about that decision Soupy part of me is thinking that when we get to the form filing stage we'll be told you could keep working as it's impossible for you to work from home and your not eligible (Gov will be wanting to keep as much money as possible before it runs out) you could seriously cripple yourself financially and be no use to your custards or employees when this is all over. The forced paid holiday is a good idea let them have the remaining 28 days entitlement I'm considering unpaid leave if we get no clarification over the employees 80% and offer them their jobs if they want them when it's all over. If our businesses fold financially we can't employ them when it's all over if we manage stay a float we still have a customer base so can build strength and aim to get back to normal.
Sounds like your confident we are being told we can't work and will be eligible for 80% we are going out today but will be listening for confirmation on if/not we can work then go from there. Can you have your guy's doing isolated maintenance work on vans and equipment while their not working or don't you want need this??
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I’m being cynical here but as things stand anyone in a business that is later deemed to be able to carry on working until a COMPLETE lockdown won’t be paid up until that point. There’s no way this government are going to just pay everyone 80% no questions asked.
* posted at the same time as Simon above *
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Rishi should've been up there with Boris last night and stepped in afterwards to put an alternative in place
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Why do people keep saying we can’t work from home you could of kept working as if they mean that in particular as regarding people like us,it means if you are not a key worker ie Nurse-Doctor care worker etc.
Going by that speech I’d say there’s a pretty good chance you will be entitled don’t you,some people just don’t like spending time with there Mrs lol.
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Great, the bell ends back; probably pis5ed everyone off on faceache.
Still think all self-employed are looking for an easy holiday during the pandemic?
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Just been announced on the news cleaning peoples windows has been classed as an emergency 😂 come on peoples employees or not use you’re head,I think some people want Boris to stand up there and say this is to all window cleaners you can’t work lol.
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Boris can't tell you to close, so he won't. Yet.
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I’m being cynical here but as things stand anyone in a business that is later deemed to be able to carry on working until a COMPLETE lockdown won’t be paid up until that point. There’s no way this government are going to just pay everyone 80% no questions asked.
* posted at the same time as Simon above *
I read that they had already had to lay people off.
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We’ve got no work coming in, so that’s pretty decisive. Window cleaning is about 10% of our work. Everyone is off on statutory sick pay as that’s the best concrete option at the moment.
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Just read the information my accountant and payroll have been emailing this week and it looks like the employees 80% won't be available until early April paid I believe directly to employee by HMRC BUT we do need to be eligible for this as in if HMRC read our claim and say you could/can still work then we won't be getting any back payments in April for our employees 80%
JV Price have just furloughed Dino (used to post here). They're a big company and I would guess would use lawyers.
My point is, if JV Price are furloughing, then you can be fairly certain you can claim the 80% for employees.
Remember, window cleaning buisinesses who do mostly commercial work will have been badly hit, so for them it would make sense to furlough some or all of their workers and get 80%.
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If you’re self employed I’m not sure you’d get it either as no one has told us to close.
If you concentrated on a certain kind of work demographic such as pubs, shopping centres and that kind of thing where the public gather, you won't have to be told to close, you just will.
So for those I would hope and expect government provides a safety net.
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Great, the bell ends back; probably pis5ed everyone off on faceache.
I like 8weekly.
Welcome back, mate.
I've missed you.
And so has Griffin. ;D
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We’ve got no work coming in, so that’s pretty decisive. Window cleaning is about 10% of our work. Everyone is off on statutory sick pay as that’s the best concrete option at the moment.
SSP?
Are they all sick?
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We’ve got no work coming in, so that’s pretty decisive. Window cleaning is about 10% of our work. Everyone is off on statutory sick pay as that’s the best concrete option at the moment.
Wouldn't furloughing your workers so that the government pays 80% of their wages be the best option for them? Gov asks that employers top up the remaining 20%, but it's not compulsory.
Wor Little Un is furloughed and this is what's happening with her, and her employer is topping up her wages too.
She's currently in bed. Later she'll be on her x-box.
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Great, the bell ends back; probably pis5ed everyone off on faceache.
I like 8weekly.
Welcome back, mate.
I've missed you.
And so has Griffin. ;D
He annoys all the right people. And a lot of others.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/business-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures/businesses-and-other-venues-subject-to-further-social-distancing-measures
I read this as we’ve not been told to close. As a business that employs I’m not certain my employees would get 80%. If you’re self employed I’m not sure you’d get it either as no one has told us to close. You can have a pizza delivered FFS!
So that's 'the actual law'? It's a government guideline, ffs.
You're annoying me now, Steve.
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He annoys all the right people. And a lot of others.
Not me; I think he's funny and like to laugh at him.
It's no good being a wind up merchant if it's them that's winding up themselves.
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So that's 'the actual law'? It's a government guideline, ffs.
You're annoying me now, Steve.
Yep, guideline.
What's the problem with that?
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So that's 'the actual law'? It's a government guideline, ffs.
You're annoying me now, Steve.
Yep, guideline.
What's the problem with that?
It's not 'the actual law' then, is it?
You're confused again.
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Great, the bell ends back; probably pis5ed everyone off on faceache.
I like 8weekly.
Welcome back, mate.
I've missed you.
And so has Griffin. ;D
A minority of 2. He’s been back for 5 minutes and already alienating everybody ;D
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It's not 'the actual law' then, is it?
You're confused again.
Sure, it's a guideline. Government guidelines aren't going to contradict the UK law are they?
You're confusing yourself.
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A minority of 2. He’s been back for 5 minutes and already alienating everybody ;D
Be gentle with 8weekly, let him settle down first.
He's great entertainment when he gets going.
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8 weekly good to see you back mate!.
Forum needs wise down-to-earth people like yourself.
Boris Johnson was quite vague yesterday.
I think the next step should be to close the tube down completely apart from key workers to show ID to military or police. That's going to reduce the spread a lot because people keep going to work on the tube.
a further step would be specific but he's trying to avoid that obviously he's saying avoid work if you can in other words if you're a millionaire.
We have very limited contact if any with customers or clients 1 on 1 and that at 2m apart
It's obvious the tubes are the biggest culprit and those people a lot of them can work from home
What annoys me is my missus works for a company who can all work from home but the director is obsessed with everyone coming in the office throughout this whole time he has not budged. It would be good if they close those businesses down and Force these sort of directors only option to work from home
So imo tube for only key workers and any business which is able to work from office technically means they can all work from home they should find out those businesses close them down and give director the only option to function from home
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A minority of 2. He’s been back for 5 minutes and already alienating everybody ;D
Be gentle with 8weekly, let him settle down first.
He's great entertainment when he gets going.
We do need cheering up I suppose.
He’s like a modern day elephant man. ;D
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If 8 weekly thinks its the right thing to do to pop up on the forum encouraging people to go to work today in the teeth of this latest government announcement then he has a screw loose.
Just waiting 48 hours, telling your staff to take paid holiday then making a more informed decision about the days/weeks ahead makes much more sense to me.
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We’ve got no work coming in, so that’s pretty decisive. Window cleaning is about 10% of our work. Everyone is off on statutory sick pay as that’s the best concrete option at the moment.
SSP?
Are they all sick?
Yup.
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We’ve got no work coming in, so that’s pretty decisive. Window cleaning is about 10% of our work. Everyone is off on statutory sick pay as that’s the best concrete option at the moment.
Wouldn't furloughing your workers so that the government pays 80% of their wages be the best option for them? Gov asks that employers top up the remaining 20%, but it's not compulsory.
Wor Little Un is furloughed and this is what's happening with her, and her employer is topping up her wages too.
She's currently in bed. Later she'll be on her x-box.
I’ve written emails furloughing them but it’s unclear if we qualify.
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Italian mayors losing it because people just aren’t listening to them to stay in doors
https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241696164782669824?s=21
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I worked yesterday no problem, was all set for today before the news broke. Everything is so unclear I’m going to sit today out and see what develops.
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submit information to HMRC about the employees that have been furloughed and their earnings through a new online portal (HMRC will set out further details on the information required)
I’m still waiting for the portal.
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It's not 'the actual law' then, is it?
You're confused again.
Sure, it's a guideline. Government guidelines aren't going to contradict the UK law are they?
You're confusing yourself.
No, that's why I questioned it as 'the actual law' and said it was a guideline (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585041813_rolleyes[1].gif).
I quoted 8's post and look at the thread title.
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A minority of 2. He’s been back for 5 minutes and already alienating everybody ;D
Be gentle with 8weekly, let him settle down first.
He's great entertainment when he gets going.
I'm afraid he's already gone.
He said that self employed people are going to use this as a tax payer funded holiday.
It's probably for the best.