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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: The Jester of Wibbly on March 23, 2020, 07:26:55 am
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Well... we cant even pop through the drive through for lunch anymore ;D ;D
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I will wait until it’s compulsory, then go and look for a job as a 7.5 ton wagon driver, delivering to supermarkets,or as a delivery driver FROM the supe4markets..
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Gonna wait till lockdown.
Make hay whilst you can.
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Dunno, not sure if I will be classed as self employed or employed as a sole director of a Ltd company.
Need to wait and see what the details are of these schemes they are rolling out.
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Worst case scenario cherry pick suitable work and carry on as normal
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Just crack on.
Take sensible precautions.
Ignore the media hype. They are begging for a “Lockdown” because it’s a sensationalist’s dream come true. They are not on the side of the public, they are trying to out-do each other with jaw-dropping outrage. The more dramatic it all is, the more we’re all going to be glued to the news for the latest developments.
The government has (in my opinion) given proportionate advice. It’s easy to follow for window cleaners as we don’t congregate in groups to do our work. Just follow it and stop panicking.
If they eventually tell us we can’t go outside, deal with that when it happens.
More people will be harmed from media-induced panic than from the virus.
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I'm currently looking out my window at a beautiful blue sky day, perfect window cleaning weather. And so the dilemma. My feeling is within 2-3 weeks a lot of people will be saying "if only" and blaming the government for not acting sooner and enforcing a lock down last week. I really cannot decide on whether to go in today or not. Am I to be part of the problem or part of the solution ?
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I think we'll get a decision on what we can do this week. If not, definitely within the next two weeks.
There are reports that we are two weeks behind Italy, which is very worrying. If we do get to that stage, we should stop thinking about windows.
Maybe I'm overthinking but I can't face going out, at the moment. I like to think I've built up a good relationship with most of my customers and I don't know how working would affect that. I'm leaning towards wrapping up for the foreseeable future and either getting a temporary job or claiming benefits. My Missus works part time and we can manage financially.
If we do go into lockdown, I'll have to home school my son because I wouldn't send him in even though he has a place, at the moment.
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Dunno, not sure if I will be classed as self employed or employed as a sole director of a Ltd company.
Need to wait and see what the details are of these schemes they are rolling out.
Employed.
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Dunno, not sure if I will be classed as self employed or employed as a sole director of a Ltd company.
Need to wait and see what the details are of these schemes they are rolling out.
Where does it mention any news schemes being rolled out for self employed?
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Closed this morning.
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I'm going out while I can. I'm not a high risk health wise, I won't be interacting with anyone and will take all precautions, will probably wave at the postman and bin men who will also be out working.
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I’m having today off. Helping the wife as she’s had a bit of a meltdown about work. She works in a private school where all children arrive by taxi so is obviously worried about contamination.
We’re setting up a home classroom for our two kids and getting things organised around that. Ordering some extra books and games and things to help with the upcoming boredom.
The commercial work I had booked in for this week is on the back burner for now. It’s 30 days from date of invoice anyway so I’m not concerned about losing out on that.
As for the rest of the week I have 2 gutter jobs booked in, rural and out of the way so I’ll go and do them then that’s me until this sorts out.
I’m really hoping for some big news from the chancellor today or tomorrow about additional support for the self employed, that would make this decision a lot easier for all of us, then we could do the right thing and stay at home.
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I am not working as normal. All commercial jobs are cancelled/postponed and I am usually out of the house very early three or four days a week and then drop onto the domestic stuff from )08:30 or so. I am only doing jobs where I don't have to come into contact with people.
Got a first clean and gutter job for a new customer today. Wife is heavily pregnant and they are in isolation. I explained that I will still come but they have to stay inside. If I need to speak with them while I am there {unlikely}, I will ring them. She is happy with this.
I feel lock down is coming due to everyone carrying on as normal over the weekend.
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i booked today off because of a cooker delivery...they came at 8am this morning and installed it by 830am so i could go out but i cant be arsed......im off to the park with the dog soon and cooking a beef stew for my missus and grown up kids this afternoon.
i know how you feel danny...my missus is in a right state.....her business that shes built up over the last 7 years will go down the pan if she has 3 months off.....its only a matter of time before they shut the non essential retail shops/outlets,they even mentioned it on the news this morning....
im planning on working the rest of the week as normal....but who knows what Boris will announce later on today? ::)roll
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I feel for her Daz and I agree they must be close to closing all but food and medicinal outlets.
My Mrs work sent a letter last week to all staff which basically said they are expected to be in this morning otherwise disciplinary action will be commenced, it’s ridiculous. She been there 15 years and had about a week off sick in total. She’s in bits and has been given no support at the time she needs it the most.
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I have to say business should NOT be as usual at this time, everyone should feel out of their comfort zone at the moment.
If you look at the stats of the other countries it's clear the way the UK is going in terms of a spike and being completely overwhelmed like Italy by people not adhering to the simple Government rules.
A lockdown will be necessary; I believe the Government are doing all they can to avoid this but so many people are just carrying on and spreading this throughout the UK like wildfire. People need to stay at home and think about the NHS and the many people affected by this virus, there are many other users of the NHS such as cancer patients of all ages, heart attacks etc that will all suffer as a consequence of this.
We all need to work together, stay at home, save the NHS.
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It sounds like the school is being completely unreasonable and trying all they can to keep as many staff there as possible, I understand everyone has to do their bit, but any sign of symptoms and she should self isolate.
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Maybe they need to shut down those train routes where they’re packed in like sardines instead of people who work alone and have no contact with anyone throughout their working day.
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I am getting Flyers printed today telling customers not to have contact with payments. Self isolators. Stay indoors, Leave Payment in an envelope or money bag. Bacs Etc on step after work carried out. we are on our own, no one needs to be near us. get windows cleaned disappear. no contact what so ever
show your customers you know why they are doing what they do
tell them if they wish to cancel till later so be it
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don't be seen coughing
which is also a common thing
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There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on.
I think ones are trying to convince themselves about going out to work.
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I'm not working today. Undecided on tomorrow or rest of week. Going to see what Governments latest announcement will be this afternoon. Remember learning about the titanic in school ? What do you think they'll be teaching the kids in history lessons in years to come about Covid19 ?..... If someone stands in your front garden shouting at you that your house is on fire do you wave back ?.... No. That's pretty much what Italy is doing now and we are all waving. We are not unsinkable.
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There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on.
I think ones are trying to convince themselves about going out to work.
Ones definitely are.
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Well I'm out and apart from everyone and the kids being at home which is annoying it's a nice day for window cleaning.
No point stopping prematurely we've probably only got a matter of a week or a few at most before forced to stop may as well make the most of it. only had 1 cancel from todays work and doing a couple of first cleans. Lots working from home so still have an income.
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I'm not working today. Undecided on tomorrow or rest of week. Going to see what Governments latest announcement will be this afternoon. Remember learning about the titanic in school ? What do you think they'll be teaching the kids in history lessons in years to come about Covid19 ?..... If someone stands in your front garden shouting at you that your house is on fire do you wave back ?.... No. That's pretty much what Italy is doing now and we are all waving. We are not unsinkable.
Did you not hear the science expert yesterday saying we can not keep comparing ourselves to Italy , They are different socially, They have a far higher older and high risk population then the UK and the majority of them live in the region were the majority of the deaths are, so there death rate is going to be very high They reckon thousands could have had it before the virus was properly understood.
I agree with everything you say but people need to stop comparing us to Italy.
Personally I find it best to just listen to the experts and not papers, social media and what the press want to print and say, keeps me more sane.
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I'm not working today. Undecided on tomorrow or rest of week. Going to see what Governments latest announcement will be this afternoon. Remember learning about the titanic in school ? What do you think they'll be teaching the kids in history lessons in years to come about Covid19 ?..... If someone stands in your front garden shouting at you that your house is on fire do you wave back ?.... No. That's pretty much what Italy is doing now and we are all waving. We are not unsinkable.
Did you not hear the science expert yesterday saying we can not keep comparing ourselves to Italy , They are different socially, They have a far higher older and high risk population then the UK and the majority of them live in the region were the majority of the deaths are, so there death rate is going to be very high They reckon thousands could have had it before the virus was properly understood.
I agree with everything you say but people need to stop comparing us to Italy.
Personally I find it best to just listen to the experts and not papers, social media and what the press want to print and say, keeps me more sane.
They also have around 8x the amount of critical care beds that we have, which is the part that worries me.
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In the next couple of weeks we will find out either way. We've a similar sized population to Italy, granted we maybe different in other ways. Their health care system ranks higher than ours though and still the death toll rises. Italy has warned us and the world. I think it's worth taking heed even if it proves to be different here.
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The death rate in Italy is also high because they were testing only critical cases.
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Spain, yesterday:
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Spain, today ;
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People need to stop assuming we are invincible, these other countries are looking at us like we have gone mad, they cannot believe we are carrying on as normal knowing what's coming. Unfortunately some won't take the advice until we start getting hundreds/thousands fatalities a day....sadly a lot of damage is already done then. It's the actions now that affect what happens in 2/3 and further weeks.
What is coming will be horrendous, if you can please stay home, save the NHS and save lives.
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I'm not working today. Undecided on tomorrow or rest of week. Going to see what Governments latest announcement will be this afternoon. Remember learning about the titanic in school ? What do you think they'll be teaching the kids in history lessons in years to come about Covid19 ?..... If someone stands in your front garden shouting at you that your house is on fire do you wave back ?.... No. That's pretty much what Italy is doing now and we are all waving. We are not unsinkable.
Did you not hear the science expert yesterday saying we can not keep comparing ourselves to Italy , They are different socially, They have a far higher older and high risk population then the UK and the majority of them live in the region were the majority of the deaths are, so there death rate is going to be very high They reckon thousands could have had it before the virus was properly understood.
I agree with everything you say but people need to stop comparing us to Italy.
Personally I find it best to just listen to the experts and not papers, social media and what the press want to print and say, keeps me more sane.
On the other hand the reason Italy have a more aged population is because they live and eat well and dont have the same levels of diabetes and heart desease that we do, if its killing them because they are older it sure as hell will get them over here for being unhealthy.
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the thing is the more severe lockdowns in other countries are not working either!casualties are still getting higher and higher......
theres no chance of passing on the virus(or getting it!)cleaning outside windows if your customers pay online and you stand a few metres away from the customers so i dont see what the problem is for us cleaners......
theres even talk of stopping people going out ALTOGETHER!NOT EVEN FOR A WALK!......we re all gonna go insane stuck in the house.....mounting anger and rebellion will just see us flout this and go for a walk/run anyway.....
its an english trait to go outside when the weathers nice and i cant see it changing anytime soon......just stay away from other people.....(its easy where i live as its only a little town)........
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The severe lockdowns are working, who knows what it would be like without them...the issue is they are done too late when already thousands have this virus and it gets worse and then 2-3 weeks later you see this spikes. I agree if you're in a rural area and lucky to be able to do that then great, but people cramming in these parks these past few days is just so selfish....they will understand but far too late.
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The death rate in Italy is also high because they were testing only critical cases.
Testing sounds like a killer.
Maybe they ought to stop it.
Over here it's the coronavirus.
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Social media moaners are taking things by storm at the moment. Not sure if it's jealously but they seem to hate anyone being out without nessassary reason. A mobile hairdresser has been slandered for carrying on working.
I am waiting for someone to shout from the other side of the road at me impersonating Billy the Kid, pointing their phone at me screaming 'I'm gonna make you famous'. ;D ;D
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Social media moaners are taking things by storm at the moment. Not sure if it's jealously but they seem to hate anyone being out without nessassary reason. A mobile hairdresser has been slandered for carrying on working.
I am waiting for someone to shout from the other side of the road at me impersonating Billy the Kid, pointing their phone at me screaming 'I'm gonna make you famous'. ;D ;D
Make sure to wear sign written tops for free advertising ;D
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I've done 3/4 of a normal working day today as i was just testing the water.
I don't deem my being out working as unnecessary as it's essential to earn my living.
I've been using sanitiser and following the guidelines and using the social distancing rule.
Every customer i have spoken too has been positive about me being out working today, and i've just mentioned to all of them that basically i will try to keep the round going as best i can (if allowed), but it will be a case of "see you when i see you" and for them to contact me if they need to.
We all need to ensure that there might be a business left for us when this all eventually settles down.
Contact your customers where possible by whichever means possible, and keep hold of them, and it might also give you some reassurance.
Hold tight, and carry on, until you are told any different as we could be in for a long bumpy road yet.
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I have to say business should NOT be as usual at this time, everyone should feel out of their comfort zone at the moment.
If you look at the stats of the other countries it's clear the way the UK is going in terms of a spike and being completely overwhelmed like Italy by people not adhering to the simple Government rules.
A lockdown will be necessary; I believe the Government are doing all they can to avoid this but so many people are just carrying on and spreading this throughout the UK like wildfire. People need to stay at home and think about the NHS and the many people affected by this virus, there are many other users of the NHS such as cancer patients of all ages, heart attacks etc that will all suffer as a consequence of this.
We all need to work together, stay at home, save the NHS.
the government are NOT doing enough to avoid this thats way people are still going to work on packed trains buses ect. no work no money for lots of people.
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discrimination against the self employed.
Treat everyone fairly and everyone will work together.
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I agree wholeheartedly that the self employed need to be looked after more; surely we can all appreciate this is far more difficult to organise than the other measure such as employed who lose their jobs. Also I don't think a lot of the crazy people still out there socialising and ignoring the gov advice are self employed.
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Why do people insist on blaming "the government" ??
They have listened to the top medical advice and issued advice and guidelines how we should behave and to keep our distance etc. Its "the bloody people" who aren't doing as they are told that's exacerbating the problem.
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Worked today all pleased to see me and said I can’t see why they’d stop you working if you are outside,I reckon we have a few days left if that before they stop us though.
I have some lovely cream booked in for tomorrow Wednesday and Thursday,the only thing I can see stopping me working is a bloke called Boris.
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I agree can’t blame the government I just meant it’ll be Boris that announces it,Martin money said there will be more that they will tell us about at some point soon about proper help for us self employed maybe later on today.
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I decided to close up this morning. It's not a decision I should have had to make, it needed to be done but should have been done for me.
Normally I'm anti-tory but up until now I have thought Boris has been doing ok. Not anymore though, he needs to be clearer and needs to do something for the self employed.
Stay safe out there boys. It's only money at the end of the day.
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Exactly it's only money. I'd sooner be wrong about the whole thing in 2 weeks time and branded a gullible idiot than right and sorry for not listening sooner. 15+ years self employment has taught me to roll with the punches. You never know what is round the corner good or bad. And I've had plenty a bad time but Ive dusted myself down and got back up. This is no different, we stand on our own, that's why self employment isn't for everyone. Although I am expecting further help from the government for the self employed in the coming days. The pressure is mounting for them to and in fairness they've done quite well so far. And being anti Tory I never thought I'd say that. These are strange times indeed.
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They are realising after looking at the figures that they now know that the self employed are the engine room of this country,it’s taken this to see it.
A lot of the bigger stores have seen that they are no better off staying open financially,to say they are thinking of the public is rubbish the costs of staying open and no one buying would ruin them quicker with the overheads.
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Just crack on.
Take sensible precautions.
Ignore the media hype. They are begging for a “Lockdown” because it’s a sensationalist’s dream come true. They are not on the side of the public, they are trying to out-do each other with jaw-dropping outrage. The more dramatic it all is, the more we’re all going to be glued to the news for the latest developments.
The government has (in my opinion) given proportionate advice. It’s easy to follow for window cleaners as we don’t congregate in groups to do our work. Just follow it and stop panicking.
If they eventually tell us we can’t go outside, deal with that when it happens.
More people will be harmed from media-induced panic than from the virus.
If you're not frightened, then the mainstream media isn't doing it's job.
I agree just be sensible and respect people's decision to self isolate.
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The death rate in Italy is also high because they were testing only critical cases.
Testing sounds like a killer.
Maybe they ought to stop it.
Over here it's the coronavirus.
People who are critical are more likely to die. If you're only testing the critically ill cases for corona, the mortality rate will be high.
It'll be lower, if you're testing more people for corona (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1584982464_rolleyes[1].gif).
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the thing is the more severe lockdowns in other countries are not working either!casualties are still getting higher and higher......
theres no chance of passing on the virus(or getting it!)cleaning outside windows if your customers pay online and you stand a few metres away from the customers so i dont see what the problem is for us cleaners......
theres even talk of stopping people going out ALTOGETHER!NOT EVEN FOR A WALK!......we re all gonna go insane stuck in the house.....mounting anger and rebellion will just see us flout this and go for a walk/run anyway.....
its an english trait to go outside when the weathers nice and i cant see it changing anytime soon......just stay away from other people.....(its easy where i live as its only a little town)........
A lot of confusion is because they haven't introduced guidelines or laws for window cleaners, specifically. And they are unlikely to, so it'll be a blanket lockdown, I reckon.
They are concentrating more on key workers, understandably, and that's not us.
If more people were behaving more responsibly, I think it'd be easier for us to work but there's a lot of 'why should I?' going on.
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All the social distancing advice and not leaving the house unless absolutely necessary are sound. Until that is, you need to buy food. That's the flaw and what will ultimately cause the advancement of the virus if it hasn't already.
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All the social distancing advice and not leaving the house unless absolutely necessary are sound. Until that is, you need to buy food. That's the flaw and what will ultimately cause the advancement of the virus if it hasn't already.
As i understand it, it definatley will advance. Us only going out when absolutley neccesary will just slow it down enough for the NHS to get a handle on the patients they are treating?
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All the social distancing advice and not leaving the house unless absolutely necessary are sound. Until that is, you need to buy food. That's the flaw and what will ultimately cause the advancement of the virus if it hasn't already.
Thing is I nipped into Morrisons on my way home and came into closer contact with people in a 10 minute shop than I would in a week of cleaning windows.
The supermarkets are going to be breeding grounds for the virus.
I think in China they locked everyone Down properly and delivered food to residents on a stick. And they have pretty much stopped it in China.
Boris needs to put the boot down.
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They say petrol/diesel pump handles are a potential breeding ground when filling up....... :(
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They say petrol/diesel pump handles are a potential breeding ground when filling up....... :(
That goes for anything the general public have touched before you. Another good reason for heeding the warning and staying home. If you really must then washing your hands before and after and refraining from touching your face is good practice.
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All the social distancing advice and not leaving the house unless absolutely necessary are sound. Until that is, you need to buy food. That's the flaw and what will ultimately cause the advancement of the virus if it hasn't already.
As i understand it, it definatley will advance. Us only going out when absolutley neccesary will just slow it down enough for the NHS to get a handle on the patients they are treating?
So did people panic buy or shop smart ?... There must be plenty out there now who could go weeks without having to even open their front door.
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I had a record day today.
Beautiful sunny day. All retired customers all concerned about the virus. Some left money on the steps and backed away. Some self isolating. All pleased to see me.
Had a phonecall though from my best paying commercial job wanting to check my contact details and frequency of clean so I guess they may cancel soon.
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All the social distancing advice and not leaving the house unless absolutely necessary are sound. Until that is, you need to buy food. That's the flaw and what will ultimately cause the advancement of the virus if it hasn't already.
As i understand it, it definatley will advance. Us only going out when absolutley neccesary will just slow it down enough for the NHS to get a handle on the patients they are treating?
So did people panic buy or shop smart ?... There must be plenty out there now who could go weeks without having to even open their front door.
I'm not certain either way, but most of the toilet roll pictures i've seen where clearly photoshopped pictures. But either way the stock was gone off the shelves. Reality is the stores don't hold that many, it only takes most people doing a shop to pop "one extra" in the trolley and the shelves are empty. Thats why there is no shortage of anything and the supermarkets are taking on extra staff to get it out there. Anyway, Tescos by mine this morning no queues, and "most" stock back on the shelves like you'd normally see.
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They should have said forget paying the July Tax,if people have too long off they’ll be in trouble again in January.
Don’t forget most people have had a normal year work wise and that Tax year is about to finish so we will have that to pay as well.
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They should have said forget paying the July Tax,if people have too long off they’ll be in trouble again in January.
Don’t forget most people have had a normal year work wise and that Tax year is about to finish so we will have that to pay as well.
Announcement at half eight.
Fingers crossed.
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Yeah I’ve seen that hopefully he says forget the payment for July not just put it on January’s bill,and also you can claim a large percentage of what you declare.
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Yeah I’ve seen that hopefully he says forget the payment for July not just put it on January’s bill,and also you can claim a large percentage of what you declare.
January 2021 payment will be huge ( July + January + payment on account ) ☹️
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Yeah but if you’ve already got Julys that shouldn’t be a problem should it,I mean this year has been a normal year up until now so it’ll be a normal bill.
If we can’t work from say next week until end of June-July that’s when it could be a problem coz last years money will be owing,I’m sure they will be lenient on people next year when the Tax is due.
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I reckon they’ve looked more into how much is generated through self employment it’s about time,and the fact that we get sod all towards running a small business.
I am interested to know how some of the larger window cleaning companies are getting on.
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I dont think anything will be mentioned tonight regarding self employed, it will be for more stricter movement.
Place your bets now please ;D
I dont really expect anything great and no one should be better off with any benefit then if they worked, I just want it to be fair inline with how others are being helped.
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I am interested to know how some of the larger window cleaning companies are getting on.
If they were excelling they would've been on and told us.
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I am interested to know how some of the larger window cleaning companies are getting on.
If they were excelling they would've been on and told us.
Thats for sure ;D
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I am interested to know how some of the larger window cleaning companies are getting on.
If they were excelling they would've been on and told us.
Thats for sure ;D
Ime sure Lee will give us an update on how it’s affecting his company or not as the case may be , at the moment we haven’t had a single cancellation. In fact ones are phoning wanting to clean early in case we end up in lockdown they want to be able to see out . Crazy how some people view things but there you go
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I dont think anything will be mentioned tonight regarding self employed, it will be for more stricter movement.
Place your bets now please ;D
I dont really expect anything great and no one should be better off with any benefit then if they worked, I just want it to be fair inline with how others are being helped.
I agree. It will come from the chancellor over the next couple of days. Tonight will be to get tough on social distancing.
I hope I’m wrong though.
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Yeah but if you’ve already got Julys that shouldn’t be a problem should it,I mean this year has been a normal year up until now so it’ll be a normal bill.
If we can’t work from say next week until end of June-July that’s when it could be a problem coz last years money will be owing,I’m sure they will be lenient on people next year when the Tax is due.
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I dont think anything will be mentioned tonight regarding self employed, it will be for more stricter movement.
Place your bets now please ;D
I dont really expect anything great and no one should be better off with any benefit then if they worked, I just want it to be fair inline with how others are being helped.
I agree. It will come from the chancellor over the next couple of days. Tonight will be to get tough on social distancing.
I hope I’m wrong though.
Tats how it'll pan out.
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I dont think anything will be mentioned tonight regarding self employed, it will be for more stricter movement.
Place your bets now please ;D
It will.
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Nothing new for the self employed..... (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1584995848_angry.gif)
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I dont think anything will be mentioned tonight regarding self employed, it will be for more stricter movement.
Place your bets now please ;D
It will.
It wasn't.
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I dont think anything will be mentioned tonight regarding self employed, it will be for more stricter movement.
Place your bets now please ;D
It will.
It wasn't.
I was saying that it will go like that.