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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: advanced on February 04, 2020, 07:35:43 pm
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Been using gardiners products for years and been very happy with quality.
I love using the supreme flocked brushes as they are great. On all window types and eat the dirt.
The first version was ok but bristles wore out too quickly , next version was better longer lasting , next version is the best just the right softness with outer edges stiff enough to clean the grime off ledges ect apsolutely perfect .
Then what happens they change it again for a brush that I can only explain as trying to work with a limp lettuce.
Come on Alex what is going on change for the better not to make it substandard please bring the Last version before back 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
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Not really a complaint but my Extreme is rapidly going bald. Tapertec bristles seem ok but the outers are pulling out fast. Wondering if tapertecs are better and if a brush made from them would work?
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Most of there brushes in the middle splay out into a V shape making them unusable when this happens due to the middle of the brush missing the middle part of the glass,with hot water they don’t last long at all and a bass broom type stiffness is not the answer.
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I'm not a fan of the new jet capsules......I've never felt the need to change jets on any brush I've ever bought.yesterday the middle insert came out of one capsule while I was working.i managed to push it back in but this wasn't an issue with the old jets....
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The best one they do that holds any shape with hot water is the DuPont brush all the others deform in little time.
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The best one they do that holds any shape with hot water is the DuPont brush all the others deform in little time.
Most of there DuPont brushes the maximum temperatures they should be used at is 30 degrees, I think there is only one that’s ok for 45 degrees I found they only lasted a week or so .
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No m8 I use mine with very hot water and mine have lasted well.
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I'm not a fan of the new jet capsules......I've never felt the need to change jets on any brush I've ever bought.yesterday the middle insert came out of one capsule while I was working.i managed to push it back in but this wasn't an issue with the old jets....
Glad it’s not just me ...I struggle to see why we needed to change from the old jets. I had the same thing , middle bit of the jet decided to explode one morning. I spent about half an hour searching some grass for the bleeding thing to poke it back together again. We have enough hassle with hoses without adding jet capsules to the mix. I find when cleaning sills the jet pipes get bashed on the bottom of the frames especially patio doors. Why do we need this sh?!,t
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No m8 I use mine with very hot water and mine have lasted well.
If you look at Gardiners temperature chart the maximum temp is 45 degrees most are 30 in the DuPont range .
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I'm not a fan of the new jet capsules......I've never felt the need to change jets on any brush I've ever bought.yesterday the middle insert came out of one capsule while I was working.i managed to push it back in but this wasn't an issue with the old jets....
Glad it’s not just me ...I struggle to see why we needed to change from the old jets. I had the same thing , middle bit of the jet decided to explode one morning. I spent about half an hour searching some grass for the bleeding thing to poke it back together again. We have enough hassle with hoses without adding jet capsules to the mix. I find when cleaning sills the jet pipes get bashed on the bottom of the frames especially patio doors. Why do we need this sh?!,t
Hi Dazmond and Richard
I'm sorry that you are not having a good time with the Jet Capsules.
It would be really useful for me to help you resolve these issues if you could send me some photos of your setup on the brush head along with any information as to whether you have a Uni-Valve fitted or not. The Univalve is not really a 'friend' to any products with a push-fit connection attached :( However we do have ways of resolving this for you and will of course help with replacement jet capsules and advice :)
Please use this link to send the photos through - https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/KveTlb (https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/KveTlb) please mark these as for my attention.
Just a point that once the insert has been pulled out once, even though it can be pushed back in, it will pull out far more easily the next time so it is best if we can replace the whole assembly for you.
Why have we swapped to these jets? The benefits for users as we see them:
1. Jets can be swapped over quickly - many clients have commented on how useful this is and has allowed them to try out jets they have not used before.
2. Uses John Guest connections which are easier to fit then the barbs on the fanjets - this allows for easy dismantling in case of jet blockages etc.
3. Fanjets are more robust due to the lack of extending barb shaft on the back of the brush
4. Fanjet versions are now flush to the brush on the bristle side, thereby reducing the possibility of catching on window bars
Generally they have been well received and so far we have over 15,000 brushes in use with these new jets. A very small percentage of our clients have had issues - mainly when using a univalve or swivel, but generally we have always been able to resolve any problems for these clients so that replacements we supply have then not failed again.
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Been using gardiners products for years and been very happy with quality.
I love using the supreme flocked brushes as they are great. On all window types and eat the dirt.
The first version was ok but bristles wore out too quickly , next version was better longer lasting , next version is the best just the right softness with outer edges stiff enough to clean the grime off ledges ect apsolutely perfect .
Then what happens they change it again for a brush that I can only explain as trying to work with a limp lettuce.
Come on Alex what is going on change for the better not to make it substandard please bring the Last version before back 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Hi Advanced
A lot of red faces there :D
It is a difficult challenge when deciding what brushes to improve and which versions to continue with - whilst a change will please some, it may annoy others (such as yourself!)
It would be really useful if you could send me some photos of your latest brush and some details of where you feel it is failing compared to the last one. Please email them across using this link https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/KveTlb (https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/KveTlb) and mark them for my attention.
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Hello alex I have these grey jets couldn't fathom the right spray so I put the pressure upto 100 and then dropped it slowly by the time it got to 70 the splay started to drop I take it you designed them that way to run at a high flow dont get me wrong iam using less water than before with the black long ones went through 12 black long jets in 6 months happy with the jets but can you invent something with swivel head built on with the aqua tap working better sorry to change subject
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Hello alex I have these grey jets couldn't fathom the right spray so I put the pressure upto 100 and then dropped it slowly by the time it got to 70 the splay started to drop I take it you designed them that way to run at a high flow dont get me wrong iam using less water than before with the black long ones went through 12 black long jets in 6 months happy with the jets but can you invent something with swivel head built on with the aqua tap working better sorry to change subject
Hi mjm
The 100° fanjets do need a good flow rate feeding them. Perhaps the new 50° fanjets may be better suited as they take slightly less flow rate? They still fan very well (better than the old red fanjets).
We are looking at some new gooseneck valve products currently so you never know :) - do you still prefer a twist action gooseneck valve?
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Thanks for reply alex I went off the twist action for a bout a year too much faff lubricating and losing pins so I upgraded my pole to extreme and just thought while iam there I may aswell try the new type better and easier to adjust iam using it now all the time such a difference I will try the 50 degree jets thanks for that
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Who cares about the interchangeable jets I want a medium brush that lasts without deforming after a short time lol,you can buy the brush with fixed jets can’t you just choose them.
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I use a swivel and univalve with jet pods and have had not a single issue since the swap which was when the Xtreme sill came out !
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Who cares about the interchangeable jets I want a medium brush that lasts without deforming after a short time lol,you can buy the brush with fixed jets can’t you just choose them.
Exactly
Interchangeable jets are of absolute no use to me and the vast amount of other people I'm guessing.
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I order a brush with the jets I want to use on a daily basis,ok some people might want to change jets but if I want a fan jetted brush I’ll buy 1 with “fan jets”.
Let’s try and concerntrate on getting a brush that doesn’t ruin itself in a matter of days by going out of shape,forget swivel necks and fancy material let’s choose the material that lasts and looks like it’s fit for purpose for at least a while.
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Errr, no.
I like my swivel thank you.
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Who are these people who like to swap out brush jets on a whim? To the point that fast and efficient swapping is needed? Lol get to work and stop messing around.
It’s like saying “when I drive my car, I like to keep a few different types of steering wheel in the boot so I can swap them over.” Then going to the trouble of developing a system that allows you to swap them over easily. I don’t get it.
Just my guess, but I would bet it has more to do with ease and cost of manufacture than being a feature that window cleaners are crying out for. (Cue alex telling us all it actually costs more to do it this way, yeah yeah whatever)
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I must say why try and re invent the wheel my moto is keep it simple the old brass jets are fine if you cant change the feeder tube go back to trad the amount of non d I y are out there who can't do any maintenance or repair is bad .at the end of the day the manufacture s are re iventing the same thing to keep the cash comming in for even more money.haaa moan over' mm reminds me must buy a new fan jet I've lost one😀
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I personally buy brushes with the correct jets fitted , I never ever swap fan jets to pencil jets in any working day. I don’t know of anyone that does actually swap from jet to jet , usually you get used to one jet and perfect your cleaning to that kind of jet.
IMO Alex , you may have got this one wrong . You might not have many complaints but that might just be the case that people haven’t got the time/can’t be arsed complaining as there is nothing they can do to go back to the old style jets even if they do complain.
Just my 2 pence worth
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I personally buy brushes with the correct jets fitted , I never ever swap fan jets to pencil jets in any working day. I don’t know of anyone that does actually swap from jet to jet , usually you get used to one jet and perfect your cleaning to that kind of jet.
IMO Alex , you may have got this one wrong . You might not have many complaints but that might just be the case that people haven’t got the time/can’t be arsed complaining as there is nothing they can do to go back to the old style jets even if they do complain.
Just my 2 pence worth
Hi Shrek - each tuppence has value :)
Most clients are the same - the brush is bought with the jet of preference and the jets stay on for the life of the brush. I am firmly in this group myself. However, you would be surprised by how many also would like to change or swap - we have received a lot of comments from clients pleased with the new facility. For those that do not wish to switch jets, they can just leave them as they are and enjoy the new colours!
Whilst I have listed the benefits to the clients above in a previous post - changing jets is not a main reason that we made this switch. The cost of introducing these new jets was considerable as all tooling for the brushes has had to be changed and new tooling for the more 'expensive to make' jets (@Pete Thompson ;) ) have been manufactured – so there had to be a range of benefits for this method before we would take this step. After much testing & trialling we were convinced that it was worth the investment and the change.
Benefits such as - clearer jet identification for clients, ourselves and stockists, more robust fanjets, better jet hose connectivity, easier removal for end of life re-use, simpler swap-outs, improved stock control, - are just some of the combined reasons why these have so far proved to be far more 'successful' overall than our previous jet system.
Of course something new will not always work or be liked by all of our clients – this is to be expected with any new or changed product. Of the relatively few clients who have had actual issues, most have been happy to work with us to ensure a robust solution for their modified setups so that they have as positive an experience with these jets as the majority do.
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I personally buy brushes with the correct jets fitted , I never ever swap fan jets to pencil jets in any working day. I don’t know of anyone that does actually swap from jet to jet , usually you get used to one jet and perfect your cleaning to that kind of jet.
IMO Alex , you may have got this one wrong . You might not have many complaints but that might just be the case that people haven’t got the time/can’t be arsed complaining as there is nothing they can do to go back to the old style jets even if they do complain.
Just my 2 pence worth
Hi Shrek - each tuppence has value :)
Most clients are the same - the brush is bought with the jet of preference and the jets stay on for the life of the brush. I am firmly in this group myself. However, you would be surprised by how many also would like to change or swap - we have received a lot of comments from clients pleased with the new facility. For those that do not wish to switch jets, they can just leave them as they are and enjoy the new colours!
Whilst I have listed the benefits to the clients above in a previous post - changing jets is not a main reason that we made this switch. The cost of introducing these new jets was considerable as all tooling for the brushes has had to be changed and new tooling for the more 'expensive to make' jets (@Pete Thompson ;) ) have been manufactured – so there had to be a range of benefits for this method before we would take this step. After much testing & trialling we were convinced that it was worth the investment and the change.
Benefits such as - clearer jet identification for clients, ourselves and stockists, more robust fanjets, better jet hose connectivity, easier removal for end of life re-use, simpler swap-outs, improved stock control, - are just some of the combined reasons why these have so far proved to be far more 'successful' overall than our previous jet system.
Of course something new will not always work or be liked by all of our clients – this is to be expected with any new or changed product. Of the relatively few clients who have had actual issues, most have been happy to work with us to ensure a robust solution for their modified setups so that they have as positive an experience with these jets as the majority do.
Fair enough :)
P.s. please please please can you hurry up and get some more of these in stock please as iv been waiting ages! Please :D
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/35cm-14-brushes/ultimatetm-35cm-wide-brush-medium-soft-bristles.html
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Fair enough :)
P.s. please please please can you hurry up and get some more of these in stock please as iv been waiting ages! Please :D
https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/all-products/water-fed-poles/brushes/35cm-14-brushes/ultimatetm-35cm-wide-brush-medium-soft-bristles.html
They will be back in stock on the website over the weekend :)
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I think I may just try the greys today !
I just thank the lord that they are sooo easy to change over ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1581074522_DB70D6EF-E86D-4D40-A275-F93DBB763477.png)
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you only have to look at what goes into the brush head for the new jets compared to a simple drilled hole in the old style so its not cheaper to manufacture
I for one love the new jets - the guys were for ever snapping the barb tails off
the new one are quick to insert or replace - but we have had no problems with them coming apart at all
the bad news for Alex is while I was waiting for his roll out I discovered streamline brushes and jet system - these are currently what everyone has now
Darran
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I ordered a small quantity of gear from Gardiners website on Wednesday. It arrived today.
Jus’ sayin’, like....
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Come on now forget the jets this jets that business the actual brushes are not lasting long m8
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Hi Alex
Thanks for reply both brushes look identical only difference is the stiffness of the bristles ,
The new brush is much softer and collapses too easily Dry limp where as the previous one has bettd4 support and nicer to work with .
Please bring old brush back again it was far superior.
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I have to say for me personally I do prefer the old set up of having two holes and being able to have both sets fitting at same time, yesterday confirmed that for me as I had a full house facia clean that I try to avoid now and stick to glass but anyway I turns up decide to swap my 3mm jets to 50° fans for the job, can’t bloody find the things lost in the van so ended up just switching brushes and going back to an old brush with both jets fitted.
Cleaned the house plastics then quickly pulled the T hose connection off and plugged the pencil connection on and off I went cleaning the windows.
Guarantee’d much quicker then having to change two jets out.
It is what it is, if gardiner want to change that’s up to them and I’ll carry on using them but can see why they’ve done it, once that outlay of tooling and set up to change has been paid for they’ll make a fair bit of money I bet when you look at the price of a pair of jets £5 as opposed to £3 for old plastic fans or brass jets.
The only time I ever snapped a plastic fan was cleaning bus stops getting down the back of the bench and on a conservatory roof and both times was me being in a rush!
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Hi Alex
Thanks for reply both brushes look identical only difference is the stiffness of the bristles ,
The new brush is much softer and collapses too easily Dry limp where as the previous one has bettd4 support and nicer to work with .
Please bring old brush back again it was far superior.
Hi Advanced
Thanks for the feedback - I will take a look and compare our reference brushes.
Do you feel that the difference is just down to the change of the inner bristle type?
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The Univalve is not really a 'friend' to any products with a push-fit connection attached
I’m not sure what you mean here Alex, I thought the twist valve also used push fit?
The pull on and off operation has never affected any of the push fits on my set up.
I had 2 of the blue jets fail on the same day last week, although they were a few weeks old.
When cleaning the sills on patio days these jets are susceptible to being caught, more so than the old type
I only change the jets when they break.
I’ve said before I thought they are an unnecessary change and maybe a choice of jet type at checkout would work. But then with the money spend making this change I doubt that would be a viable option
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The Univalve is not really a 'friend' to any products with a push-fit connection attached
I’m not sure what you mean here Alex, I thought the twist valve also used push fit?
The pull on and off operation has never affected any of the push fits on my set up.
I had 2 of the blue jets fail on the same day last week, although they were a few weeks old.
When cleaning the sills on patio days these jets are susceptible to being caught, more so than the old type
I only change the jets when they break.
I’ve said before I thought they are an unnecessary change and maybe a choice of jet type at checkout would work. But then with the money spend making this change I doubt that would be a viable option
Hi tlwcs
What is meant by this is that the repetitive hard pull actuation of a univalve has a long term detrimental affect on any push-fitting used 'upline' of it.
So any brush T connectors and jet connections can be put under a lot of repetitive strain from this when these components where not designed to take this kind of repetitive hard tugging action.
This can be remedied by isolating the univalve pulling action from the brush head by the use of a suitable clip on the gooseneck hose with sufficient hose pulled through the gooseneck before adding the clip. However even this needs regular checking as these O clips do, with time and the pulling action, slip up the gooseneck hose and allow some of the pulling action to be transferred to the brush components.
We are soon going to be releasing a new gooseneck which is designed to completely isolate the univalve from the brush and connections - this is out in current testing. We have taken this step based on the data we have accumulated over the years of the damage that the actuation of a univalve can cause to other products.
The twist gooseneck valve (latest version) does not use push-fit connection on the unit itself, but does use them below the device and can happily use them on the brush head as the twist action of the gooseneck transfers no extra strain to any of these connection types.
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What about the brushes not lasting long
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What about the brushes not lasting long
Hi NWH
As you know a brush's longevity is dependant on many factors - work type, window type, water temperature, brush weight, etc. Whilst one brush may last well for one operator another may find it does not last long enough and has to select something different.
I can see from your order history that you have purchased the following brushes from our range:
Super-Lite Full Dupont brush in October 2019
Ultimate Stiff in March 2019
Ultimate Medium Brush in April 2017
2x Ultimate Medium Soft in March 2016
2x Super-Lite Medium-Mixed in March 2016
Which of these brushes are you finding does not last you long enough?
What temperature water are you using?
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I have at least 15 of your brushes the DuPont latest version is the only one that is standing up to hot water,even the red stiff brush is V shaping in the middle now all the others especially the extreme last next to no time
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I have at least 15 of your brushes the DuPont latest version is the only one that is standing up to hot water,even the red stiff brush is V shaping in the middle now all the others especially the extreme last next to no time
I'm sorry that most of these are not working for you (apart from the most recent full Dupont) - it may be that a different brand of brush may resist the hot water you are using more robustly?
Although if the DuPont is working OK it may be that you have found your 'right' brush already?
If you have a specific brush that you feel has 'failed' within the suggested life-span on our brush guide (https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/Brush_Guide_Chart_October_2019_1.pdf (https://gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/Brush_Guide_Chart_October_2019_1.pdf)) then please get in contact with our Customer Service Team or use this warranty link ( https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/y4oVnS (https://gardinerpolesystems.typeform.com/to/y4oVnS) ) and we can specifically look into this for you :)
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The trouble is apart from the DuPont and the stiff red one which I think is too stiff all the others don’t last,at the moment for me using hot water the only one that is standing up at all is the DuPont.
The red one although stiff has the same characteristics to the softer ones it spits into a V at the bottom of the stock,even after re setting in very hot water it still goes back after a few jobs,I then take the socket off turn it over and it does it again shortly afterwards.
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NWH , I think the problem with you is that you have the water too HOT mate ;D
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What about the brushes not lasting long
Hi NWH
As you know a brush's longevity is dependant on many factors - work type, window type, water temperature, brush weight, etc. Whilst one brush may last well for one operator another may find it does not last long enough and has to select something different.
I can see from your order history that you have purchased the following brushes from our range:
Super-Lite Full Dupont brush in October 2019
Ultimate Stiff in March 2019
Ultimate Medium Brush in April 2017
2x Ultimate Medium Soft in March 2016
2x Super-Lite Medium-Mixed in March 2016
Which of these brushes are you finding does not last you long enough?
What temperature water are you using?
Once again......rumbled😂😂😂😂
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Complete rubbish rumbled the brushes I have and I have 20 plus from them are no different to the new ones, I have had numerous test brushes from Alex.
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What about the brushes not lasting long
Hi NWH
As you know a brush's longevity is dependant on many factors - work type, window type, water temperature, brush weight, etc. Whilst one brush may last well for one operator another may find it does not last long enough and has to select something different.
I can see from your order history that you have purchased the following brushes from our range:
Super-Lite Full Dupont brush in October 2019
Ultimate Stiff in March 2019
Ultimate Medium Brush in April 2017
2x Ultimate Medium Soft in March 2016
2x Super-Lite Medium-Mixed in March 2016
Which of these brushes are you finding does not last you long enough?
What temperature water are you using?
Once again......rumbled😂😂😂😂
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He knows what I mean when I’m saying what’s happening to his brushes lol,it’s ok for you cold users.
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personally i think the stiff xtreme sill brush is disappointing...i bought 2 last year and their both ready for the bin already and ive been more careful with the second one....
the best brush IMO is the all red stiff ultimate with hot water,i just wish alex would do these bristles in the standard stiff xtreme and the stiff xtreme sill.....keep them all red bristles in the stiff versions of these brushes.
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I have this brush and although stiff too stiff imo it still Vs and deforms quickly.
You should t need to use a brush so stiff just for hot water,if it goes out of shape so quickly it’s the bristles fault or the angle they come out of the stock.
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Anyone using the flocked extreme sill brush on here? Looks like it could have a fair bit more scrubbing power. I have the stiff but it’s too stiff for cold or warm water. Great gutter brush though and good on conservatory finials.
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I have both the med soft and the flocked versions. I like the med soft version but the Xtreme flocked sill is probably the best brush I've ever used. In saying this I mean it suits my current needs perfectly.
For reference, I'm a cold water user, clean only residential properties and live 12 miles away from the nearest coast
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I liked using the extreme flocked sill brush with a carbon gooseneck, but was disappointed to notice it left spotting at the sides of windows. Not sure if others have noticed this or if it is just me.
Currently mostly using the new supreme dupont, although I also like the sl flocked for some jobs.
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personally i think the stiff xtreme sill brush is disappointing...i bought 2 last year and their both ready for the bin already and ive been more careful with the second one....
the best brush IMO is the all red stiff ultimate with hot water,i just wish alex would do these bristles in the standard stiff xtreme and the stiff xtreme sill.....keep them all red bristles in the stiff versions of these brushes.
Totally agree Daz!
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I don't use hot but I'm very impressed with the extreme stiff sill brush.
I can't remember when I bought it but it's a few months at least and it's not deformed at all, a medium extreme would be in the bin by now.
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That red stiff brush is to stiff imo it’s like using a bass broom over the glass,I like a brush to have a slight flop on the window but not to soft that it collapses.
So many brushes out there that work fine with water that’s reading 4-5 degrees,once the water starts getting up to 60-70 degrees it finds em out,they collapse and deform in days it’s easy to just stick something in a stock that resembles wire and say that’s for hot water. I had another go with that red bass broom yesterday my water was 65 degrees and it hardly splayed lol,that’s not a good brush.
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The DuPont is the only brush that holds it shape that I’ve been using daily on nearly all apart from old leads or thicker leads,it works well on modern thinner leads too.
The DuPont bristles react differently with hot than the other Gardiner brushes being a different material,once the other material goes out of shape especially the extreme ones they completely lose there shape they look like they’ve had half a ton laid on top of them for a couple of weeks.
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Do you maybe think that you have the water too hot :D
You want a softish brush that can take 60/70 Celsius all day long ?
You are on a fruitless quest brother Nigel , you are expecting 2 pots of gold from 1 rainbow ;D
Pinch your arm and come back to earth ;D ;D
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Maybe but I do expect a brush to last longer than a week sometimes less.
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That red stiff brush is to stiff imo it’s like using a bass broom over the glass,I like a brush to have a slight flop on the window but not to soft that it collapses.
So many brushes out there that work fine with water that’s reading 4-5 degrees,once the water starts getting up to 60-70 degrees it finds em out,they collapse and deform in days it’s easy to just stick something in a stock that resembles wire and say that’s for hot water. I had another go with that red bass broom yesterday my water was 65 degrees and it hardly splayed lol,that’s not a good brush.
The gardeners red bristles do soften enough when using properly hot water , but they also last a decent amount of time , come on alex get the extreme and extreme sill brush out in an all red bristle version!
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Proper hot-hot water lol come on Alex bend over
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That red stiff brush is to stiff imo it’s like using a bass broom over the glass,I like a brush to have a slight flop on the window but not to soft that it collapses.
So many brushes out there that work fine with water that’s reading 4-5 degrees,once the water starts getting up to 60-70 degrees it finds em out,they collapse and deform in days it’s easy to just stick something in a stock that resembles wire and say that’s for hot water. I had another go with that red bass broom yesterday my water was 65 degrees and it hardly splayed lol,that’s not a good brush.
The gardeners red bristles do soften enough when using properly hot water , but they also last a decent amount of time , come on alex get the extreme and extreme sill brush out in an all red bristle version!
this needs to be done IMO.....standardizing the stiff brush range to the red durable bristles would be the way forward into a longer lasting, decent hot water brush thats doesnt lose its shape after a weeks use....
i use the ultimate,standard xtreme and xtreme sill brushes for my work......
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I actually like the extreme brushes for high work because of lightness and don't lose their shape. I did like the Ultimate brush but after a few months the bristles collapse too much and not so good on dreaded leads. Been Using Ova 8's new brush for leaded's and low work with six pencil jets, ideal and the gooseneck connections are easier to swap brush heads in comparison
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Windows washed , sorry to butt in but on my heater thread you mentioned that you got the water to pass through your setup twice ?
Can you explain on the heater thread how you achieved this pretty please ;D
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I had a calorifier tank built for me using stainless steel. I had the water from the radiator cycling in then out of the calorifier twice before going back to the radiator. I could control the heat using a variable heater control just before the pressure release valve. I had water cycling from the WFP tank through the calorifier tank and a bypass back into the tank when the flow of water would be turned off at the pole so the pump would continuously cyle until I turned it off at the water flow controller back in the van. I would run the calorifier tank system on my way to work and leave it on for a couple hours and then shut it off for the rest of the day until the drive home then switch it back on so the small amount of water stored in the calorifier tank would be boiling hot so when I transferred cold water from the storage tank in my garage mixed with the boiling water it would raise the overall heat. I went to the trouble of going overboard insulating my WFP tank and the hoses running under the floorpan to the radiator otherwise a lot of heat would be wasted. Had to use radiator hose for water going in and out of calorifier tank as the water was 90 to 100 degrees going in and coming out of the calorifier otherwise food grade hose would just split above 80 degrees. the reason I stopped using it was because I downsized vans to a transporter and couldn't carry the extra weight without being to near the weight limit. The system worked ideal. Only flaw I had was using sureflo pumps couldn't handle the heat and swapped over to flojet pumps which could handle the heat with no problems.
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Even that has gone over my head :P
How did you get the water to cycle twice before going back to the radiator , this is what I cant get my head around ?
I was going to take a feed off the heated water from my exchanger and loop it back into the feed (cold) water entering the heat exchanger with a non return on it , but wouldn’t the system then equalise and keep the non return open ?
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The extreme brushes are the perfect weight for the pole they were designed for but they do not last with hot water,it’s not putting the supplier down by saying this Alex is you could say a pioneer in our industry but this and a few of the others should not come with a temperature chart they should come with a warning that they will deform in shape and be ruined in days if used with hot water lol.
I’ve used the DuPont with hot water and it lasts just about as long as you’d expect a brush to last with very hot water,I will dismiss the red bass broom because imo that’s not a usable brush for me anyway it’s far to stiff imo only no feel over the glass you want to keep scrubbing with it because it feels as though it’s not cleaned.
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Tucker used DuPont bristles they were ahead of the times imo,20 years on with the right splay like in the Gardiner brush although I’d like to see it not quiet so splayed personally,is almost the perfect brush.
If that could be modelled into an extreme version with hot water longevity he would have cracked it imo.
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Calorifier:
The water from radiator would go in one protruding connection tube and come out the opposite end then go back in a second inlet tube and out of the second outlet tube back to the radiator. The reason I did this was to send as much heat through the calorifier tank as possible.
The water from the WFP tank would be pumped through a totally separate connection tube and out the opposite end where it would be diverted two ways one would be back to the WFP tank when the water flow at pole was shut off and when brush used on glass would be running straight to the pole.
Trying to keep things simple I fitted a 2kw immersion heater for the sake of it if ever needed but never used it as had enough heat using radiator warmth to heat the calorifier tank. Insulating the tank is something I do this day with any tank I fit as it saves heating water unnecessarily.
Had to insulate radiator hose from radiator to calorifier tank and back to radiator otherwise a lot of heat would be wasted and it did make a significant difference.
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Tucker used DuPont bristles they were ahead of the times imo,20 years on with the right splay like in the Gardiner brush although I’d like to see it not quiet so splayed personally,is almost the perfect brush.
If that could be modelled into an extreme version with hot water longevity he would have cracked it imo.
Even the original Tucker Dupont bristles would gradually lose their shape using very hot water but not as quickly as most other brushes. the new Tucker brushes don't come anywhere close to resembling the original Tucker brushes. The reason the original Tucker brushes retained their shape the best was because more bristles were compacted tighter which helped to keep the rigidity.
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Ok , so it was in effect 2 coils through 1 tank , that clears it up then !
So am I right in assuming that my recirc with a non return would not work ?
I would have to turn flow up to provide the oomph to run the recirc which would mean cooler water on the first pass , thus not really gaining anything in the long run ?
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Ok , so it was in effect 2 coils through 1 tank , that clears it up then !
So am I right in assuming that my recirc with a non return would not work ?
I would have to turn flow up to provide the oomph to run the recirc which would mean cooler water on the first pass , thus not really gaining anything in the long run ?
I believe you live in Plymouth, I'm normally visiting a friend once or twice a month, could always pop over and have a look at your heater set up. I haven't really followed your project in great depth, just glanced over the set up on you tube briefly so couldn't honestly give you an honest answer without watching it a couple times over to get a true idea. Happy to pop over and swap ideas with you sometime if you want, Wayne
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The slower you can circulate water the hotter it will get. You can only circulate as slow as you need to use the flow of water for work required.
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That would be spot on Wayne , my number is 07976 229120 , I’m always about so whenever you know you are going to be local give me a shout and we can sort a meet out !
Maybe squeeze some more heat to give Grippa a run for their money ;D ;D ;D
Rich
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Your idea is similar to mine and it's a cracking idea. I did my idea about 14 years ago now. Happy to meet up one Sunday 07511 700754
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The slower you can circulate water the hotter it will get. You can only circulate as slow as you need to use the flow of water for work required.
Yes , that’s where I have been lucky as I am right on the limit of it all being worthwhile for the single user who doesn’t chuck 5 LPM at the glass !
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Even that has gone over my head :P
How did you get the water to cycle twice before going back to the radiator , this is what I cant get my head around ?
I was going to take a feed off the heated water from my exchanger and loop it back into the feed (cold) water entering the heat exchanger with a non return on it , but wouldn’t the system then equalise and keep the non return open ?
Looping the water back into the heat exchanger would be a waste of time as the water would more than likely lose that gained heat or even if it did work it would be very minimal for a lot of extra wok and not worth the hassle.
The reason I looped my water in through two heat exchangers was maximum heat was going in the first time around and when it came out from the first heat exchanger there was still sufficient heat from the outlet to run it through a second heat exchanger to maximise drawing off heat so it would return to the radiator much cooler which is the same principle of how radiators work in the first place. I had fins built all around the heat exchangers inside the calorifier tank so that helped to dissipitate the heat efficiently in the calorifier tank thus heating the water most efficiently.
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That’s what I’ve always said about a brush needing to be packed with bristles in order to keep its shape,on the extreme and others in the range you can almost hold the brush up and count the bristles by eye once they go out of shape you’ve lost the brush with that few bristles.
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Can’t though, to stuff more bristles in you’d need a bigger stock so then you’d have an Ultimate brush!
They all go out of shape even the Dupont ones and that’s with warm water. I’ve never worn a brush out yet. I usually change them when I get bored or they splay a bit.
Using a stiff Extreme sill brush today because it’s the only one that clears the algae out of the frame joints this weather. Chatters a bit on the glass so might try a medium and a flocked next.
Just can’t see the point in really hot water, the expense is ridiculous.
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That’s where my heater comes in 40 at the brush tops and able to use medium brushes
Just saying ;D ;D ;D