Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Haz on January 10, 2020, 09:30:27 am
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We have just entered a new decade and this window cleaning game will see a drastic change in the next 10 years... Here is what to expect in the next 10 year... some people will disagree with me and some may agree with me but i know my market well and have been in the business for over 7 years and have plenty of knowledge about the window cleaning industry.
* People will be shopping about with window cleaners just like they do with phone contracts / insurance etc
* People do not care at this present time about there window cleaning price but in the next decade you will see people change window cleaner just for the price, the economy will be changing heavy in the next decade and the window cleaning industry will be a lot more competitive this coming decade
* WFP is not a skilled trade - its on the same level as a car wash, no qualifications required a little start up capital is all is required , car washes are now at rock bottom charging rock bottom prices and window cleaning will follow in them steps.
* We have customers who are pretty old and they will come and tell us... "oh i had a window cleaner offering it for cheaper but i told him to sod off" the older generation has a lot of loyalty but the generations as they go along decade by decade the loyalty gets lesser and lesser.... in this day and age loyalty is a dying culture.
* You will get window cleaning companies competiting with each other just like Asda and Tescos compete with each other.
* Big outfits with 10+ vans will find it tough to compete with 1 man band prices
* Traditional window cleaners will become very rare and a thing of the past
* 3/4 window cleaners will not know how to clean a window traditionally
Window cleaning is accessible by anyone due to the low cost start up, why would someone want to go to college and do brick laying when they can just get into window cleaning and earn more money in the long run..... All they need to do is watch a few youtube videos and bit of research and they are good to go, my town has had 20+ window cleaners starting up in the past 12 months, there is plenty of work out there but more and more window cleaning firms will be coming in to every city/town in the UK.... this will drive the prices down. the amount of start ups in every town in the UK is high... but the amount of start ups in the next 5 years will be 4/5 times higher then it has been in the past 5 years if that makes sense.
20 years ago car washes were good money but now car washes are a tough business to be in because the polish/kurdish have come over and driven the prices down, this will happen with reach and wash window cleaning especially with the cheap systems you can buy on todays market.
Spotless water will also play a big part in the next decade, purified water is more easily accessible then ever and they also encourage people to start a window cleaning venture.
Job center is now also advising people to start a window cleaning business due to the low start up cost.
I am based in the North East of England, our prices are already rock bottom so i cant see it getting much worse for us, but for all the Southerners out there who charge £25.00 for a 3 bedroom house they will see 1 man band unsigned vans kitted out with reach and wash systems doing it for £10.00-£12.00 instead of there £25.00
This is my OPINION of the next decade... good luck for the new decade people :-* :-* :-*
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A lot of people still like familiarity what you are saying is right to a point it’s 2 generations time I worry about,commercial work I agree though prices in some cases are dreadful
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Good post, thank you for the heads up.
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A really interesting post. Thankfully I am retired now, but I can envisage somebody turning up on Dragons Den with an app that lets you book a date and time, pay there and then to have their windows cleaned with no long term obligations.
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Maybe Nick but we will all be sitting in a big room together having a sing song with the nurses in the home by then pal.
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My prediction is that as the current generation of regular customers dies off, so will the future of "the regular round". With a saturated market as you suggest, one off appointed cleans will gradually become the norm.
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Not sure really. I can kinda understand where you are coming from as currently the vast majority of what you are saying has been happening during the 20 yrs of being in this work. Ie, competitive market etc and saturation etc but life goes on and people get older and wiser. So a lot near me still charge ridiculous low prices and will try and convince ones that they can not possibly charge more ::)roll however plenty do!
You have to be adaptable, for instance there are plenty of trad guys still working on a fortnightly rota ::)roll when i was trad it was always 4 wkly and so this continued as i went to wfp. However im offering 8 wkly more than 4 now! This is for 2 reasons, the first being much higher prices and 4 wkly seems to be too quick.
I have many young ones and they all seem happier with the price of an 8 wkly clean in comparison and this is the way forward. People are getting busier as the years roll on and I doubt very much that they can be ar$ed to clean their own windows still.
Lol, in america they work completely different and dont have such a thing as 4 or 8 wkly rotas. Things change, adapt with it and all will be good
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My prediction is that as the current generation of regular customers dies off, so will the future of "the regular round". With a saturated market as you suggest, one off appointed cleans will gradually become the norm.
Nah... its more cheaper to get your windows done monthly and keep your home clean all year round... people who never wanted a window cleaner are now getting used to the idea of having a regular window cleaner , in the USA its total different they only do one off cleans, the UK is educated to have a regular window cleaner , it is now a chore for UK households to have a regular window cleaner
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You think people will be bothered but it’s because it’s you business you think of these things,at the end of the day people don’t want the hassle some maybe but not the vast majority
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“7 years experience” you say?
Your probably classed as a newby on this forum. :)
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We are in the time period where people are aware more and more of being clean and green lol. Save the planet, save the oceans etc. Eat heathy etc etc and so people will always want clean windows and that clean appearance to others. Therefore regular rounds wont die off and become random one off's! Just not on the regular 2 wkly rotas that some offer and perhaps the 4 wkly rota will slow down to a longer duration
I think the biggest thing to change our market is the environment and global warming. So start getting used to working in the rain lads!
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“7 years experience” you say?
Your probably classed as a newby on this forum. :)
I clearly am a newbie as i have under 20 posts and yes over 7 years experience , how long have u been licking windows for Mr CIU God
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Not in our lifetime are things gonna change over the next 30 years No,crack on then lol.
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We are in the time period where people are aware more and more of being clean and green lol. Save the planet, save the oceans etc. Eat heathy etc etc and so people will always want clean windows and that clean appearance to others. Therefore regular rounds wont die off and become random one off's! Just not on the regular 2 wkly rotas that some offer and perhaps the 4 wkly rota will slow down to a longer duration
I think the biggest thing to change our market is the environment and global warming. So start getting used to working in the rain lads!
😂😂 Diesel vans, carbon poles, 1000's liters of water, dionising resin. Saving the planet ?! 💦🌏🤣
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Where I live and work there has been a considerable change in the last 30 years to people’s attitudes regards wanting their homes to look smart and clean.
Thirty years ago more people would have their windows cleaned not just for their own benefit, when they look out of them, but also to keep their homes looking nice. Now many of those houses look filthy and sadly the householders seem not to care. I’m not talking only about those who rent, I mean also those who own their own homes.
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10 years ago a few people on this site said the market was getting saturated.
More vans on the road.
Competitive prices....
Well yes...around us there are more vans.
Prices are competitive but I would not say rock bottom.
Seems to be loads more houses being built and new clients wanting windows cleaned.
I remember someone saying about a recession to, but an old CIU bod said he had been wc since 74 and not noticed much of a change in any downturn.
Customers come, customers go.
Just keep your head down..do a good job...keep working towords your goals/ targets. You will still be here when the newbies have packed up coz they cannot work in the cold or heat or suddenly realize this job is not as easy as the vids or sales teams make out..
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“7 years experience” you say?
Your probably classed as a newby on this forum. :)
lol he's just a nipper compared to most on here.
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:-\7 years experience 😂😂
I disagree with pretty much every point you posted.
I’d say 75% of my domestic customers fall into the 40-55 age range. Are all these 40 year olds going to magically lose their loyalty within the next 10 years and drop me to save a couple of quid a month? Don’t be silly, it’s isn’t going to happen.
Also there will always be trad window cleaners. Anybody who thinks that there will be no trad window cleaners within 10 years obviously doesn’t know this industry very well at all I’m afraid. There are atleast 10 trad window cleaners near me that would struggle boiling a kettle, never mind setting up and maintaining a WFP system. They will be tradders until the day they die/retire.
Lastly, assuming that people will chop and change their window cleaners like they do with energy suppliers is way off the mark. You’re forgetting the one fact that makes us different from faceless service providers and that is we are trusted to be on the customers property. Who in their right mind would invite some stranger onto their property just to save a couple of quid a month? Again, isn’t going to happen.
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I predict you're going to get more shiners calling their customers clients and a lot more NK types making a simple job as hard as possible but other than that I cant see much change.
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I predict you're going to get more shiners calling their customers clients and a lot more NK types making a simple job as hard as possible but other than that I cant see much change.
Can i class myself as an influencer as well now then? ;D ;D ;DWe are in the time period where people are aware more and more of being clean and green lol. Save the planet, save the oceans etc. Eat heathy etc etc and so people will always want clean windows and that clean appearance to others. Therefore regular rounds wont die off and become random one off's! Just not on the regular 2 wkly rotas that some offer and perhaps the 4 wkly rota will slow down to a longer duration
I think the biggest thing to change our market is the environment and global warming. So start getting used to working in the rain lads!
😂😂 Diesel vans, carbon poles, 1000's liters of water, dionising resin. Saving the planet ?! 💦🌏🤣
Customer dont know that tho ;D ;D ;D
Yep, diesel van but hey ho
"Diesel-powered cars and trucks get about 30 percent better mileage than those powered by unleaded gasoline. ... Although their greenhouse gas production is higher than those powered by regular gas, diesel engines are more efficient, so they tend to produce about 10 to 20 percent less pollutants"
Dependant where you live, you don't use resin but just filters n membranes. I have tap water near on 300 tds but after filters its 006 and straight to tank.
Waste water is still used and so its not all doom n gloom ;D
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We have just entered a new decade and this window cleaning game will see a drastic change in the next 10 years... Here is what to expect in the next 10 year... some people will disagree with me and some may agree with me but i know my market well and have been in the business for over 7 years and have plenty of knowledge about the window cleaning industry.
* People will be shopping about with window cleaners just like they do with phone contracts / insurance etc
* People do not care at this present time about there window cleaning price but in the next decade you will see people change window cleaner just for the price, the economy will be changing heavy in the next decade and the window cleaning industry will be a lot more competitive this coming decade
* WFP is not a skilled trade - its on the same level as a car wash, no qualifications required a little start up capital is all is required , car washes are now at rock bottom charging rock bottom prices and window cleaning will follow in them steps.
* We have customers who are pretty old and they will come and tell us... "oh i had a window cleaner offering it for cheaper but i told him to sod off" the older generation has a lot of loyalty but the generations as they go along decade by decade the loyalty gets lesser and lesser.... in this day and age loyalty is a dying culture.
* You will get window cleaning companies competiting with each other just like Asda and Tescos compete with each other.
* Big outfits with 10+ vans will find it tough to compete with 1 man band prices
* Traditional window cleaners will become very rare and a thing of the past
* 3/4 window cleaners will not know how to clean a window traditionally
Window cleaning is accessible by anyone due to the low cost start up, why would someone want to go to college and do brick laying when they can just get into window cleaning and earn more money in the long run..... All they need to do is watch a few youtube videos and bit of research and they are good to go, my town has had 20+ window cleaners starting up in the past 12 months, there is plenty of work out there but more and more window cleaning firms will be coming in to every city/town in the UK.... this will drive the prices down. the amount of start ups in every town in the UK is high... but the amount of start ups in the next 5 years will be 4/5 times higher then it has been in the past 5 years if that makes sense.
20 years ago car washes were good money but now car washes are a tough business to be in because the polish/kurdish have come over and driven the prices down, this will happen with reach and wash window cleaning especially with the cheap systems you can buy on todays market.
Spotless water will also play a big part in the next decade, purified water is more easily accessible then ever and they also encourage people to start a window cleaning venture.
Job center is now also advising people to start a window cleaning business due to the low start up cost.
I am based in the North East of England, our prices are already rock bottom so i cant see it getting much worse for us, but for all the Southerners out there who charge £25.00 for a 3 bedroom house they will see 1 man band unsigned vans kitted out with reach and wash systems doing it for £10.00-£12.00 instead of there £25.00
This is my OPINION of the next decade... good luck for the new decade people :-* :-* :-*
1. People won’t shop about like phone contracts. Iv had the same plumber & electrician & mechanic for the past 15 years because I trust them and won’t go anywhere else.
2. A bill is a bill , don’t understand why you think customers don’t care what their price is now but will in the future ???
3. Prices will not hit rock bottom, you’ve just made it up ::)roll
4. There will always be old people who stick to who they trust .
5. You will always have competition in any trade .
6. Big outfits can work cheaper than 1 man bands as our friend with the last name that sounds like flyer has shown.
7. True
8. That’s true already
9. It’s all down to people like nK who holds potential window cleaners hands and shows them how to start up, not realising that long term he’s doing himself out of business.
Thanks for your opinion mystic meg
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Perhaps its just me then, im perhaps over confident in my own ability and my business, that im not afraid now of any newbie starting out, allowing me to be helpful to others perhaps 🤷♂️
Or let them think its easy and who are we fooling, its a very basic job which we are doing. Its not the job that newbies will quit from but everything that comes with it. The competition, expanding your rounds and sheer determination and grit to build your round. So lets not fool yourselves and think people who make helpful vids are at fault cause it aint rocket science hahahs yet you would think it is with how some on here talk about it ;D
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I’ve only got 5 years experience! ;D
It’s not a new decade until the end of the year. There was no year 0.
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If customers are 'shopping around' how come you've got a round full of rock-bottom prices?
You're your own worst enemy if thats the case.
Being a successful business isn't a race to the bottom; although there's a lot out there that think it is and price accordingly.
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We have just entered a new decade and this window cleaning game will see a drastic change in the next 10 years... Here is what to expect in the next 10 year... some people will disagree with me and some may agree with me but i know my market well and have been in the business for over 7 years and have plenty of knowledge about the window cleaning industry.
* People will be shopping about with window cleaners just like they do with phone contracts / insurance etc
* People do not care at this present time about there window cleaning price but in the next decade you will see people change window cleaner just for the price, the economy will be changing heavy in the next decade and the window cleaning industry will be a lot more competitive this coming decade
* WFP is not a skilled trade - its on the same level as a car wash, no qualifications required a little start up capital is all is required , car washes are now at rock bottom charging rock bottom prices and window cleaning will follow in them steps.
* We have customers who are pretty old and they will come and tell us... "oh i had a window cleaner offering it for cheaper but i told him to sod off" the older generation has a lot of loyalty but the generations as they go along decade by decade the loyalty gets lesser and lesser.... in this day and age loyalty is a dying culture.
* You will get window cleaning companies competiting with each other just like Asda and Tescos compete with each other.
* Big outfits with 10+ vans will find it tough to compete with 1 man band prices
* Traditional window cleaners will become very rare and a thing of the past
* 3/4 window cleaners will not know how to clean a window traditionally
Window cleaning is accessible by anyone due to the low cost start up, why would someone want to go to college and do brick laying when they can just get into window cleaning and earn more money in the long run..... All they need to do is watch a few youtube videos and bit of research and they are good to go, my town has had 20+ window cleaners starting up in the past 12 months, there is plenty of work out there but more and more window cleaning firms will be coming in to every city/town in the UK.... this will drive the prices down. the amount of start ups in every town in the UK is high... but the amount of start ups in the next 5 years will be 4/5 times higher then it has been in the past 5 years if that makes sense.
20 years ago car washes were good money but now car washes are a tough business to be in because the polish/kurdish have come over and driven the prices down, this will happen with reach and wash window cleaning especially with the cheap systems you can buy on todays market.
Spotless water will also play a big part in the next decade, purified water is more easily accessible then ever and they also encourage people to start a window cleaning venture.
Job center is now also advising people to start a window cleaning business due to the low start up cost.
I am based in the North East of England, our prices are already rock bottom so i cant see it getting much worse for us, but for all the Southerners out there who charge £25.00 for a 3 bedroom house they will see 1 man band unsigned vans kitted out with reach and wash systems doing it for £10.00-£12.00 instead of there £25.00
This is my OPINION of the next decade... good luck for the new decade people :-* :-* :-*
1. People won’t shop about like phone contracts. Iv had the same plumber & electrician & mechanic for the past 15 years because I trust them and won’t go anywhere else.
2. A bill is a bill , don’t understand why you think customers don’t care what their price is now but will in the future ???
3. Prices will not hit rock bottom, you’ve just made it up ::)roll
4. There will always be old people who stick to who they trust .
5. You will always have competition in any trade .
6. Big outfits can work cheaper than 1 man bands as our friend with the last name that sounds like flyer has shown.
7. True
8. That’s true already
9. It’s all down to people like nK who holds potential window cleaners hands and shows them how to start up, not realising that long term he’s doing himself out of business.
Thanks for your opinion mystic meg
1. Yes people will shop about they might not now but expect it in within the next 10 years, if people can save £5.00 per month (£60.00 per year they will go for it)
2. U will see this for yourself ;) Remember i am mystic meg ;)
3. They will hit rock bottom especially up South when you get all the 1 man bands starting up doing it for 33% of the current price, people will switch the window clean to save 66%, trust me u will see with your own eyes and then u will say to yourself ohh.. that mystic meg was absolutely right ;) haha
4. U say that there will always be old people who sick to who they trust , yes i agree 100% but if u read my post properly it says the old will stick but the younger generation will not stick, the old are loyal and the young generation is not loyal, look at old couples they stick by each other and look at the young couples, they have 1 year relationships... no loyalty lol
5. Yes u have competition in any trade but in window cleaning there is a bit of respect amongst a few window cleaners on not knocking or leafleting a door of someone who has a window cleaner, but in the next 10 years u will see for yourself that there will be more fierce competition.
6. 1 man sole traders can do cheaper prices then bigger companys who pay VAT
7. Wow u agree me on one thing
8. Wow u agree on another
:-\7 years experience
I disagree with pretty much every point you posted.
I’d say 75% of my domestic customers fall into the 40-55 age range. Are all these 40 year olds going to magically lose their loyalty within the next 10 years and drop me to save a couple of quid a month? Don’t be silly, it’s isn’t going to happen.
Also there will always be trad window cleaners. Anybody who thinks that there will be no trad window cleaners within 10 years obviously doesn’t know this industry very well at all I’m afraid. There are atleast 10 trad window cleaners near me that would struggle boiling a kettle, never mind setting up and maintaining a WFP system. They will be tradders until the day they die/retire.
Lastly, assuming that people will chop and change their window cleaners like they do with energy suppliers is way off the mark. You’re forgetting the one fact that makes us different from faceless service providers and that is we are trusted to be on the customers property. Who in their right mind would invite some stranger onto their property just to save a couple of quid a month? Again, isn’t going to happen.
Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Thats my opinion and what u said is your opinion, but like u say who would invite some stranger onto there property... there wont be strangers , there will be new window cleaning providers starting up left , right and center at cut price cost compared to yourself, if someone is charging £20.00 for a 3 bedroom house the new company will come along and do it for £12.00 , its £8.00 saved per month, dont forget half of the UK is in debt and if someone can save a few kwid they will go for it, my opinon :D :P
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You assume every customer is price motivated.
There has always been price wars and dirt cheap rock bottom window cleaners as well as expensive it's nothing new.
I have been involved in window cleaning for over 20years and even during a recession people still never changed.
I'm full commercial around 10 years ago national window cleaning came about shook it all up and killed it but now it's slowly changing customers are starting to know dirt cheap and quality/reliability don't normally go together.You also as a business adapt to changing times it doesn't mean your going to go under.
You use the car wash as an example.Yes you see loads of cheap ones but I also see more detailers now than ever a good detailer will charge £200 upwards on a car.These people didn't roll over they just adapted and are now probably doing better.
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so who am I to disagree with someone with 7 years in this trade
I must be getting old then (started in 1975) and I still know nothing LOL
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Thats a great example about detailing companies. They never existed it seemed or so until about 15 years or so ago.
I’ve had my van detailed by a local company. What has it come to when the kocal shiner gets his wheels polished?
So much for window cleaning going down hill.
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You assume every customer is price motivated.
There has always been price wars and dirt cheap rock bottom window cleaners as well as expensive it's nothing new.
I have been involved in window cleaning for over 20years and even during a recession people still never changed.
I'm full commercial around 10 years ago national window cleaning came about shook it all up and killed it but now it's slowly changing customers are starting to know dirt cheap and quality/reliability don't normally go together.You also as a business adapt to changing times it doesn't mean your going to go under.
You use the car wash as an example.Yes you see loads of cheap ones but I also see more detailers now than ever a good detailer will charge £200 upwards on a car.These people didn't roll over they just adapted and are now probably doing better.
Yes its nothing new but in the next 5 years there will be a big saturation point in the window cleaning business, a lot of people are now jumping on the reach and wash bandwagon, doesnt bother me at all though as i have targets and aslong as i hit them targets thats all that matters, im just putting my opinions out there :D
No i dont but i can see them becoming price motivated within the next 10 years, because there will be professional window cleaning services left , right and centre, window cleaning leaflets through doors will become like takeaway menus through doors i reckon :D come on think about it, some people this day in age think that its hard to find a window cleaner, i picked up a customer the other day the women told me she is happy to finally have found a window cleaner... little does she know that there is over 100 window cleaners in my area!
And your comparing a wash and go car wash compared to a professional detailer which is a lot more advanced then general car washing .... comparing a car wash that does £10 mini valets to a service and a car detailer is like comparing a window cleaner who carries out a maintenance window clean and another window cleaner who carries out deep clean(Chemical restore UPVC)
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attitude determines your altitude
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I've picked up plenty from other window cleaners simply because the younger customers want the windows cleaned properly and are willing to pay more and have them cleaned properly instead of a young lad rushing like an idiot underpriced doing a slap dash job.
If prices were a race to the bottom so would morale and window cleaners would simply look for other careers. Every window cleaner has a minimum price they are prepared to work for and considering weather is becoming more extreme it's even more of a reason to charge sensible prices to sustain all year round cleaning.
Not many new window cleaners would enter this occupation if competition in undercutting was the main priority, can't be sustained, need a realistic price to make it appealing. People in all walks of life will always look for better paid jobs and most of them are lazy buggers who don't want to put in a hard days work for doing anything regardless of the job.
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Wfp was the biggest change in window cleaning. We adapted and changed and embraced it.
Anyway. We've had ten years of austerity and yet with no website and no advertising my round has grown so that I sold off almost half of it five years ago.
It is now as big as it was when I took on my first employee and I am selling off bits and pieces to keep the workload down.
I drop customers who 'don't fit the profile' and who won't be trained.
Why? Because I turn up regularly, do a good enough job, speak the Queen's English, don't have a fAg hanging out my mouth and won't nick their silver.
They trust me with their gate codes and keys and pay my prices.
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Wfp was the biggest change in window cleaning. We adapted and changed and embraced it.
Anyway. We've had ten years of austerity and yet with no website and no advertising my round has grown so that I sold off almost half of it five years ago.
It is now as big as it was when I took on my first employee and I am selling off bits and pieces to keep the workload down.
I drop customers who 'don't fit the profile' and who won't be trained.
Why? Because I turn up regularly, do a good enough job, speak the Queen's English, don't have a fAg hanging out my mouth and won't nick their silver.
They trust me with their gate codes and keys and pay my prices.
Your round sounds very established, good paying customers no headaches , no chasing payments there the best rounds , its also nice to be in a position to sell off work that u no longer value, and yeah i agree its all about being professional.
Well done to you
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Sorry this is just a scare mongering post. I disagree with pretty much all of it. Utter nonsense :)
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Haz do you know not know how to spell? “U” is actually “you”
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Sorry this is just a scare mongering post. I disagree with pretty much all of it. Utter nonsense :)
Bless you mate, dont be scared ??? this is just my opinion of what i expect in the next 10 years... if i scared anyone i am very sorry :-*
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Haz do you know not know how to spell? “U” is actually “you”
But this is a just a forum, im not writing a formal letter so easy mate ;D ;D
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Reach and wash saturated the market 5-7 years ago, but funnily enough if your good and have a good reputation, work and prices have both been going up, there’s no reason why this would change
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Next ten years will be no different than the last ten years every other month new idiots I mean company’s start up and every other month some of them disappear 👊 but we are still there going stronger and stronger.
There’s always going to be someone cheaper or dearer than you forever and always next ten years last ten years no different.
Just do what you do and don’t give a f*** about the rest then your business will grow
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Next ten years will be no different than the last ten years every other month new idiots I mean company’s start up and every other month some of them disappear but we are still there going stronger and stronger.
There’s always going to be someone cheaper or dearer than you forever and always next ten years last ten years no different.
Just do what you do and don’t give a f*** about the rest then your business will grow
I love the attitude all positivity :) thats what its all about keep it up
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Haz, obviously this is your opinion and your entitled to it, however it is based on limited knowledge of your own surrounding areas. Also dont take it personally, but you have ones on here who have been doing this a whole lot longer than yourself with vast experience and knowledge.
Yes wfp makes it easier for people to try their luck and get into this line of work but and its a big BUT, it makes very little difference as this has always been the case and there is more to it than just offering a cheap under cutting price. If this was the case, all of us who have been doing so for longer than 7 yrs would have no business what so ever. Ask any of us if we know of many one man bands in the areas where we work which charge very little for cleaning windows. We can all tell of many which we know and have known over the many years! I know in two villages where I work, that I am double and triple some guys n little groups who can knock out houses really fast ie 3 on a house.
Even UK window cleaning company offers free cleans to coax ones to them and so far I have lost ermmmmmm 0 customers to them.
Yes technology is changing and apps improve but not many will fall for it. Whats the name of that new one, where customers receive gifts and rewards from their window cleaner via this app/group? I dont think that is taking off too great at the moment and i dont think it ever will. Plenty of things can change in ten years, granted but plentybof things wont change ie people want a good reliable services and have spent years prior putting up with false economies and sales gimmicks and so not everyone will search out the cheapest window cleaner or the cheapest thing because they have learnt what in reality the cheapest "whatever" gets them!
So, im also one who has a different opinion.
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Didn’t realise you couldn’t curse I was thinking there I definitely didn’t say idiots I said c***s lol.
Sometime new (idiots) do you a favour because sometimes you loose business to them just because people want a change or because they are tight and want to save 50p but then after a month or two they realise you are better and the new start is a useless (idiot) so they then ask you back and your like
yeah no problem that will be £15 please
But you only used to be £10
Yeah but I hadn’t put your price up in over five years for being a loyal customer, you are now a new customer
You have now gained more over the space of the year.
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Haz, obviously this is your opinion and your entitled to it, however it is based on limited knowledge of your own surrounding areas. Also dont take it personally, but you have ones on here who have been doing this a whole lot longer than yourself with vast experience and knowledge.
Yes wfp makes it easier for people to try their luck and get into this line of work but and its a big BUT, it makes very little difference as this has always been the case and there is more to it than just offering a cheap under cutting price. If this was the case, all of us who have been doing so for longer than 7 yrs would have no business what so ever. Ask any of us if we know of many one man bands in the areas where we work which charge very little for cleaning windows. We can all tell of many which we know and have known over the many years! I know in two villages where I work, that I am double and triple some guys n little groups who can knock out houses really fast ie 3 on a house.
Even UK window cleaning company offers free cleans to coax ones to them and so far I have lost ermmmmmm 0 customers to them.
Yes technology is changing and apps improve but not many will fall for it. Whats the name of that new one, where customers receive gifts and rewards from their window cleaner via this app/group? I dont think that is taking off too great at the moment and i dont think it ever will. Plenty of things can change in ten years, granted but plentybof things wont change ie people want a good reliable services and have spent years prior putting up with false economies and sales gimmicks and so not everyone will search out the cheapest window cleaner or the cheapest thing because they have learnt what in reality the cheapest "whatever" gets them!
So, im also one who has a different opinion.
I totally understand what your saying 100% but in this modern day times are moving fast and i can see in like 10 years there will be window cleaning comparison sites lmaoo... i might be going over the top but its just a thought lol but i really doubt that will happen ;D ;Dbut u never know with the times moving so fast...
In a good few decades everything will be computerized.....you will not even see cash in hand...all money will dissapear.. everything will be from a click of a button.
Thats the way i see the future mate hence my post , yes i may of exaggerated on some points but im just being futuristic :P ;D ;)
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
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We have just entered a new decade and this window cleaning game will see a drastic change in the next 10 years... Here is what to expect in the next 10 year... some people will disagree with me and some may agree with me but i know my market well and have been in the business for over 7 years and have plenty of knowledge about the window cleaning industry.
* People will be shopping about with window cleaners just like they do with phone contracts / insurance etc
* People do not care at this present time about there window cleaning price but in the next decade you will see people change window cleaner just for the price, the economy will be changing heavy in the next decade and the window cleaning industry will be a lot more competitive this coming decade
* WFP is not a skilled trade - its on the same level as a car wash, no qualifications required a little start up capital is all is required , car washes are now at rock bottom charging rock bottom prices and window cleaning will follow in them steps.
* We have customers who are pretty old and they will come and tell us... "oh i had a window cleaner offering it for cheaper but i told him to sod off" the older generation has a lot of loyalty but the generations as they go along decade by decade the loyalty gets lesser and lesser.... in this day and age loyalty is a dying culture.
* You will get window cleaning companies competiting with each other just like Asda and Tescos compete with each other.
* Big outfits with 10+ vans will find it tough to compete with 1 man band prices
* Traditional window cleaners will become very rare and a thing of the past
* 3/4 window cleaners will not know how to clean a window traditionally
Window cleaning is accessible by anyone due to the low cost start up, why would someone want to go to college and do brick laying when they can just get into window cleaning and earn more money in the long run..... All they need to do is watch a few youtube videos and bit of research and they are good to go, my town has had 20+ window cleaners starting up in the past 12 months, there is plenty of work out there but more and more window cleaning firms will be coming in to every city/town in the UK.... this will drive the prices down. the amount of start ups in every town in the UK is high... but the amount of start ups in the next 5 years will be 4/5 times higher then it has been in the past 5 years if that makes sense.
20 years ago car washes were good money but now car washes are a tough business to be in because the polish/kurdish have come over and driven the prices down, this will happen with reach and wash window cleaning especially with the cheap systems you can buy on todays market.
Spotless water will also play a big part in the next decade, purified water is more easily accessible then ever and they also encourage people to start a window cleaning venture.
Job center is now also advising people to start a window cleaning business due to the low start up cost.
I am based in the North East of England, our prices are already rock bottom so i cant see it getting much worse for us, but for all the Southerners out there who charge £25.00 for a 3 bedroom house they will see 1 man band unsigned vans kitted out with reach and wash systems doing it for £10.00-£12.00 instead of there £25.00
This is my OPINION of the next decade... good luck for the new decade people :-* :-* :-*
I predicted all that seven years ago.
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
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We have just entered a new decade and this window cleaning game will see a drastic change in the next 10 years... Here is what to expect in the next 10 year... some people will disagree with me and some may agree with me but i know my market well and have been in the business for over 7 years and have plenty of knowledge about the window cleaning industry.
* People will be shopping about with window cleaners just like they do with phone contracts / insurance etc
* People do not care at this present time about there window cleaning price but in the next decade you will see people change window cleaner just for the price, the economy will be changing heavy in the next decade and the window cleaning industry will be a lot more competitive this coming decade
* WFP is not a skilled trade - its on the same level as a car wash, no qualifications required a little start up capital is all is required , car washes are now at rock bottom charging rock bottom prices and window cleaning will follow in them steps.
* We have customers who are pretty old and they will come and tell us... "oh i had a window cleaner offering it for cheaper but i told him to sod off" the older generation has a lot of loyalty but the generations as they go along decade by decade the loyalty gets lesser and lesser.... in this day and age loyalty is a dying culture.
* You will get window cleaning companies competiting with each other just like Asda and Tescos compete with each other.
* Big outfits with 10+ vans will find it tough to compete with 1 man band prices
* Traditional window cleaners will become very rare and a thing of the past
* 3/4 window cleaners will not know how to clean a window traditionally
Window cleaning is accessible by anyone due to the low cost start up, why would someone want to go to college and do brick laying when they can just get into window cleaning and earn more money in the long run..... All they need to do is watch a few youtube videos and bit of research and they are good to go, my town has had 20+ window cleaners starting up in the past 12 months, there is plenty of work out there but more and more window cleaning firms will be coming in to every city/town in the UK.... this will drive the prices down. the amount of start ups in every town in the UK is high... but the amount of start ups in the next 5 years will be 4/5 times higher then it has been in the past 5 years if that makes sense.
20 years ago car washes were good money but now car washes are a tough business to be in because the polish/kurdish have come over and driven the prices down, this will happen with reach and wash window cleaning especially with the cheap systems you can buy on todays market.
Spotless water will also play a big part in the next decade, purified water is more easily accessible then ever and they also encourage people to start a window cleaning venture.
Job center is now also advising people to start a window cleaning business due to the low start up cost.
I am based in the North East of England, our prices are already rock bottom so i cant see it getting much worse for us, but for all the Southerners out there who charge £25.00 for a 3 bedroom house they will see 1 man band unsigned vans kitted out with reach and wash systems doing it for £10.00-£12.00 instead of there £25.00
This is my OPINION of the next decade... good luck for the new decade people :-* :-* :-*
I predicted all that seven years ago.
No wonder i havent got a medal ??? u beat me to it ! ;D
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And one of our Northern brethren is planning on conkering the south. He's already taken his boot laces out. I don't think William Wallace ever stopped in a Premier Inn though; can you imagine all that woad on the bedding?
The North will rise again because the south have had it too easy.
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
What have you achieved in 7 years? how many van and staff and vans do you have?
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
What have you achieved in 7 years? how many van and staff and vans do you have?
I have just the 1 van ;D plus no staff yet but hopefully i will be in a position to take staff on soon ;)
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Not with rock bottom prices you wont be able to.
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“7 years experience” you say?
Your probably classed as a newby on this forum. :)
I clearly am a newbie as i have under 20 posts and yes over 7 years experience , how long have u been licking windows for Mr CIU God
No you aren't a newbie Haz ;D
What was your posting name on this forum in a previous life? I can't remember.
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No he’s not a newbie.
Im sure we all know who he is.
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
What have you achieved in 7 years? how many van and staff and vans do you have?
I have just the 1 van ;D plus no staff yet but hopefully i will be in a position to take staff on soon ;)
In 7 years you’re still a 1 man band with crap prices and how is this achieving more than most on here then ???
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
What have you achieved in 7 years? how many van and staff and vans do you have?
I have just the 1 van ;D plus no staff yet but hopefully i will be in a position to take staff on soon ;)
So your a one man band and your not in the position to take another staff on and u been doing it for seven years u say? I have one full time staff with me and i been doing it for five years!
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Not with rock bottom prices you wont be able to.
Mr Slacker if u look at my previous comments it does say i am not the cheapest in my local area and i am also not the most expensive either...i sit in the middle at just the average mark, i have a lot of window cleaners in my area offering cheaper prices then myself so i cant be that rock bottom? ;D ;D I have certain targets and i will continue to hit them week in and week out as i have been for the past 12 months :) so dont tell me what i will be able to do and what i cant ;D ;D
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
What have you achieved in 7 years? how many van and staff and vans do you have?
I have just the 1 van ;D plus no staff yet but hopefully i will be in a position to take staff on soon ;)
In 7 years you’re still a 1 man band with crap prices and how is this achieving more than most on here then ???
So your telling me my prices are crap.. wow u seem to know more about my business then i actually do ? haha my prices are actually average to be honest ;D and yes im still a 1 man band but i think i can get my second van on the road within the next 12 months hopefully ;) ;D
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Yes 7 years experience, probably achieved more in 7 years then what u could achieve in 14 years ;)
Hows that pal when you’ve admittedly got a round full of rock bottom prices? Hardly anything I’d want to be bragging about tbh.
If my prices were rock bottom then i would be the cheapest in my area meaning i would not of lasted for 7 years ::)roll there is a lot of window cleaners who are cheaper then me ::)roll ::)roll .... there is also window cleaners with higher prices then me, im just in the middle , not cheap or expensive ;) ;D so to be honest i would not class my prices as rock bottom ;D I dont come on here to brag but all im saying is that i probably have achieve more in 7 years then ^^^ has in 14 years :) enough said ;)
What have you achieved in 7 years? how many van and staff and vans do you have?
I have just the 1 van ;D plus no staff yet but hopefully i will be in a position to take staff on soon ;)
So your a one man band and your not in the position to take another staff on and u been doing it for seven years u say? I have one full time staff with me and i been doing it for five years!
Well done to you and your achievement in 5 years, what is the secret ? i would love to know
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So what have you achieved then? Comin on here bragging you’ve achieved more with your business in 7 years than someone can in 14 years , we are all waiting
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So what have you achieved then? Comin on here bragging you’ve achieved more with your business in 7 years than someone can in 14 years , we are all waiting
Like i said im still only a 1 man band but i do know that ive earnt more money working as a 1 man band then i would for anyone else so that is a big achievement to me ;D i also have other sources of income other than window cleaning ;) so yes i have my own achievements but im not willing to discuss them on a sheety public forum ;D ;)
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;D ;D ;D
Hopefully i be big as u 1 day Lee mate ;) :-*
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Hi lee.
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Not with rock bottom prices you wont be able to.
Mr Slacker if u look at my previous comments it does say i am not the cheapest in my local area and i am also not the most expensive either...i sit in the middle at just the average mark, i have a lot of window cleaners in my area offering cheaper prices then myself so i cant be that rock bottom? ;D ;D I have certain targets and i will continue to hit them week in and week out as i have been for the past 12 months :) so dont tell me what i will be able to do and what i cant ;D ;D
IMO this is where to be...not too cheap but not mega expensive either...fair is the word im looking for! ;D
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I dunno if it will happen as soon as 10 years, but its only a matter of time before there's AI robots doing our jobs and most others too.. maybe a trolley with a built in extending pole or some such thing
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I wouldn’t worry about it in our life times though by the time you can go on the web and just get someone to pop round tomorrow for a one off most of us won’t be here anymore,there’s no way in the world the kind of customers I service would use this method not in a million years.
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I dunno if it will happen as soon as 10 years, but its only a matter of time before there's AI robots doing our jobs and most others too.. maybe a trolley with a built in extending pole or some such thing
But we could pick up loads of work doing the robots' windows.
After a hard days graft on the glass, most robots will just want to unplug, put their feet up and watch Metal Mickey.
Boogie boogie.
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I dunno if it will happen as soon as 10 years, but its only a matter of time before there's AI robots doing our jobs and most others too.. maybe a trolley with a built in extending pole or some such thing
I don't think a robot would stick it, lol, let be honest here this is a hateful job that only us special people can do long term, customers know this which is why when they do get a half decent shiner that lasts they tend to hang on to them, this wont change in ten or even twenty years.
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Robots, not gonna happen as far as domestic is concerned.
Way too expensive.
We’ll all be fine for years and years to come.
Window cleaning is no where near a big enough market for robots.
It’s so cheap to use human power anyway, there is no real incentive for robots.
Even with commercial, you’d still need a water source, a lot of technology to get the robot to move around and actually clean a window properly. Let alone over three story work. It just wouldn’t happen. Far to dangerous, a bit of wind and the pole would be all Over the place.
I think we forget that window cleaning is a very small, trivial industry. The cost to businesses to use a human window cleaner is minuscule, there really is no point in robots taking over. No ones gonna spend countless millions on R&D, design and manufacturing some little robot with a pole driving round people’s house, opening gates, stepping over objects, cleaning a window properly etc etc.
WFP will evolve, but humans will be the users, not robots.
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i will love it when robots can do the work.
much easier to manage.
lets say a WC costs £25000 a year... so if a drone type robot cost anything around £100 000 and did a good enough job, could work 7 days a week... didn't require a van...
i'll be getting a couple