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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: James Styles on January 09, 2020, 12:51:58 pm
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Hi guys, I am looking to get a cheap 2nd hand van by the summertime.
When starting up I’m sure some of you bought a “run about” 2nd hand van to get you about, something that just does the job.
Do you think I could get a ok van for £800-£1,200?
I see a lot of Citroen Berlingo’s about, probably the kind of van I’d be looking at, just a small van that runs.
I would get a nice van on finance but until I move from this rough ghetto type area I wouldn’t risk it as I have no drive, I have to park where I can’t see the vehicle and vehicles around here have been scratched, windows smashes, tyres slashed etc.
Any advice you guys would give?
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There's a lot of people including myself that personally swear by £2,000 vans.
As long as they look robust and reasonably presentable it's always an economy trade off.
There's nothing wrong with that van working for you for years to come.
Just see if you can push the budget a little bit more to get something that will last you for a few years no need to plan to spend 30 grand on a van
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In that case, a run around would be good, have a look at ford transit connects, solid engines , and can be picked up for cheap. You’ll have to obviously expect a high mileage van, with a fair share of wear and tear.
If it lasts you a year, and you are able to move, then you could look to finance a better van.
Alternatively, stick with what you’ve got, and work hard to move as soon as possible, or aim to get a round of, say, £1500 a month coming in before moving and upgrading to a van...
Where do you live?
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buy brand new, a cheap tatty old van always ends up costing more in repairs bills and it wont be long before it goes to the scrap yard,
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Well done James, seems like your coming a long way from the timid beginner and now moving forward with transportation. Well done 👍
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You can pick up a nice Ford Transit Connect for £2,000 full service history low mileage.
You can sign write it also and it will really look the part if you use your common sense and get it in good condition it's unlikely that you wont have expensive repairs but even if if you have to spend £500 per year to get it through MOTs
Over 4 years you would have spent for example £4,000. You are still at least £16,000 better off than spending £20,000.
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Wheels are wheels. Get the best you can afford.
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buy brand new, a cheap tatty old van always ends up costing more in repairs bills and it wont be long before it goes to the scrap yard,
Put it down on a new one or nearly new in eighteen months there’s a good chance that van will have cost you 2-3 times the initial outlay.
Especially if you are going to keep a van for a fair few years.
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If you think you’ll be getting away with spending 500 a year getting that van through it’s MOTs you’ll be lucky,great vans but like all vans they all are when they are new-nearly new.
Loads and loads of vans out there for a few thousand but you are buying something that’s had its best days,think if it like being married for 20 years and when you get to 45 you trade her back in for another 20 year old lol everything just feels that much smoother and tighter when you get in it lol.
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buy brand new, a cheap tatty old van always ends up costing more in repairs bills and it wont be long before it goes to the scrap yard,
Put it down on a new one or nearly new in eighteen months there’s a good chance that van will have cost you 2-3 times the initial outlay.
Especially if you are going to keep a van for a fair few years.
I see the point you're saying but I've had many experiences we have spent £1,500 and spend nothing for 3 years to get through MOT just £50 other times I've spent about 5 or 600 that seems to be the most.
Plenty of other people as well that have big businesses and just spend moderate on their vans not overdoing it and the numbers do add up.
Each To Their Own I must say I do love the look of a brand new van but when I put it all to paper I kind of realise it's more of a luxury.
If you have less outgoings you can afford to be more competitive or you can also so make more profit which is what we're here for
Probably go up to 4 or £5,000 maximum personally with good service history low mileage.
I've never had any horror stories in the last 12 years but I have heard some other horror stories where people have spent 30 grand and after 4 years need a £3,000-4k repair and you have no choice considering how much you spent.
In that scenario you are £8,5000 a year vs say £2,000 and go worst case 1k a year for mots and repairs that's still 1,500 a year over a 4 year period.
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Mind you there is one very good side which I haven't really explored and that is buying it brand new but literally the day the Warranty ceases is the day you sell it and get another one but I'm guessing a £20,000 van will probably be worth about £10,000 if I'm not mistaken? So that's still £10,000 the cheap van could potentially only cost about £4,000 over this period.
I may have the numbers modelled up on the new van to 3 years old but basically if you lose 4 or maybe 5k at a push that could be decent considering the peace of mind you'll get.
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First van was a £1000 T280, only lasted me a year but because of that van I was able to save up £3500 in that 12months to buy another, ‘better’ van.
I now have a Custom that I’ve had from new and two of us working out of it.
All because if that one grand van I started with.
Don’t underestimate what a cheap workhorse can do for you when you first start.
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Doesn’t matter how much it’ll be worth if you are gonna keep it for years.
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I think the vandalism concern you have is a valid one. It's been easy for me with the two brand new vans I've bought/hire purchased as I can park on a gated drive.
My sons in law have bought 2nd hand vans - one paid £9K for a two year old Pug Expert the other paid £1000 for a 13 year old Pug partner. Both are running OK.
I bought a brand new Doblo for about 10K and ran it for 8 years and sold it to son in law one. He ran it for 4 years and sold it to someone on this forum as a cheap and cheerful runabout. It might even still be running now.
I only changed it to go bigger and have had a brand new Hyundai iload which cost about 16K in 2012 and which I am running trouble free after 8 years. When I bought it I planned on it lasting 12 years and although I may be unpleasantly surprised I might just run it "forever".
TLDR: If you are parking on the street in a rough area I would be fearful of spending big money.
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You can pick up a nice Ford Transit Connect for £2,000 full service history low mileage.
You can sign write it also and it will really look the part if you use your common sense and get it in good condition it's unlikely that you wont have expensive repairs but even if if you have to spend £500 per year to get it through MOTs
Over 4 years you would have spent for example £4,000. You are still at least £16,000 better off than spending £20,000.
Do make sure you you tell James to get any Transit Connects thoroughly checked as they suffer with bad corrosion issues. The council has 2 x 10 plates working out of the local council offices with rotten sills.
Citroen/Peugeot did galvanise dip their early Berlingo vans from 2000 onward but it was only from the top of the sills down. The Dispatch/Experts were galvanised dipped from 2005 (the facelift).
Vans without side loading doors are cheaper but ones with are much better for window cleaning imho.
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i bought a renault kangoo for £1200 with 91,000 miles on the clock when i first went WFP 10 years ago and snapped the torsion suspension bar on the back axle going over a speed bump too fast within a week(this is BEFORE i put a tank in the back! ::)roll ;D)i also had to fork out for a new exhaust straight away but i had it for around 4 years and sold it for £300 with 126000 miles on it....
just get a cheap van when starting out....you can upgrade when your earning better money......
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Buying a second hand vehicle is always pot luck.
It doesn't matter if its a grand or 5 grand or 10.
You could buy one with faults or you could buy one and a month later the clutch/head gasket etc goes on it.
You jusf don't know.
A van with 50k isn't guaranteed to be any better than one with 150k. The one with 150k might have had a recent clutch/gearbox/turbo/cambelt etc and the 50k one might have all these to go bang in the next couple of years.
First van I bought was £600. A 1.9d fiat scudo with the best part of 300k on the clock. I had it two years and it never missed a beat. The next van I bought was 2.5k and the gearbox went on it within 6 months.
Now I have a van that was 6k. Its now worth probably 4k so don't forget to take depreciation into account. A nearly new van might cost you nothing in repairs over 5 years but lose 5k in value. The old banger might have cost you a grand in that time but still worth pretty much what you paid.
Get what you can afford.
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My first van cost me £250, a Peugeot partner with the old tractor reliable 1.9d engine, no turbo’s no electric windows or even central locking!!
Lasted me 2 years before I needed a bigger van for a bigger tank and although I have a lovely transit custom with heated seats etc I still miss that little van!!
I even sold it on for £700 lol
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An old van most of the time means problems,look on a second hand car forecourt nearly all of em will have over 60000 miles on the clock because at that mileage that’s when the bills start coming in.
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If you’re spending 8-1200 on a van make sure you have it checked over by a mechanic. There might be a few decent ones out there but the large majority will be money pits.
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My Berlingo which some of you know recently fried itself was bought for €1500 3 years ago. It had a few issues initially but I got them sorted and until its mysterious demise was reliable enough for me to live with.
I'm looking for another, similar van. What I like about them is the bodywork is durable as the underbody is galvanized I believe, the old 1.9 engine is pretty bomb-proof and there is a lot of storage space in the cab. Parts are readily available and affordable too. If I can find another one that doesn't self-combust, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
John
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I have run 2/3 grand vans since starting wfp 12 years ago, 2 of them I kept for 3 years first one, then 4 years second one. First was 51 plate Berlingo 1:9 d, second a 04 plate Dispatch 1:9, both were bullet proof for the time I had them, Then I bought an 07 plate Transit and it was a rot box, kept it8 months then sold it. Current van is 10 plate Dispatch 1:6: I paid £5k for it almost. 22 months ago and it’s the one I have spent the most money on repairs with. I am due an inheritance later this year so will buy a nearly new van , keep it for no more than 3 years, then do the same again. If I was in the o p’s position, I would wait until you move to a more desirable area, then instead of buying a cheapie, put the money down as a deposit on a nearly new one. Instead of shelling out for parts or repairs, on an old van, that money would be better spent as repayments on a newer van. That way hopefully you will get some warranty with it and it will spend more time working for you rather than in the garage.
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In the last year I’ve had two clutches/flywheels and a head gasket go, plus other bits, bearings etc.
The only one that’s had no trouble is the 06combo, the old banger.
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I bought a brand new Doblo for about 10K and ran it for 8 years and sold it to son in law one. He ran it for 4 years and sold it to someone on this forum as a cheap and cheerful runabout. It might even still be running now.
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Speak of the devil Sorry was busy re filling this beauty for tomorrow might still be running now? Does a bear s*** in the woods it's been smashing it every day hasn't missed a beat since November 18
Prime example guys clean tidy 06 doblo single user system flew through it's recent MOT with 0 spend
Hits the work at the crack of Dawn I absolutely love it I'm going to be looking after it for years to come rest assured shes in good hands ;D
So in this particular case guys £1,400 vs £10,000
You are whooping £8,600 up now let's say gear box goes tomorrow for £500 you are still £8,100 up I can't help and realise that economic trade-off! As long as the vans look good no rust no body work damage a van is a van she doesn't need to be a work of art they will both make the same money!
Spruce correct as ever the Ford Transit connect does tend to rust. I have had one for years and been spending on welding 2 x once I think it was £500 but guess what! Once its welded your on the road again for another 3 years ;D
I keep thinking about getting rid of it but every time it gets nearer to the MOT I know I can get through it with another 3 to £500 which is still cheaper than £5,000 for example!
The only thing that's on my mind about cheap vans is the emissions that might start hitting Greater London need to look into that!
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Yep no one counts depreciation as a cost which is daft.
10k van soon becomes a 5k van.
1k van might take the same time to become a £500 van.
So 4.5k worth of repairs needed to make the 10k van the best financial option.
Highly unlikely to happen.
I don't think I'll bother spending that much on my next van they just get battered. I seem to bump mine at least twice a year lol
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Yep no one counts depreciation as a cost which is daft.
10k van soon becomes a 5k van.
1k van might take the same time to become a £500 van.
So 4.5k worth of repairs needed to make the 10k van the best financial option.
Highly unlikely to happen.
I don't think I'll bother spending that much on my next van they just get battered. I seem to bump mine at least twice a year lol
Ha exactly ! Now that you've added that into the equation we may have just shook the market!
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My Berlingo which some of you know recently fried itself was bought for €1500 3 years ago. It had a few issues initially but I got them sorted and until its mysterious demise was reliable enough for me to live with.
I'm looking for another, similar van. What I like about them is the bodywork is durable as the underbody is galvanized I believe, the old 1.9 engine is pretty bomb-proof and there is a lot of storage space in the cab. Parts are readily available and affordable too. If I can find another one that doesn't self-combust, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
John
I was looking at Berlingo's on Ebay this morning and saw this.
Asking a bit much I think but he must believe low mileage is worth another £500. At a quick glance I thought this was a reasonable buy.
Dent on the front left fender/wing and not sure about the rear 'window' panel but otherwise it seems to look ok.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-1-9-DIESEL-65-000-MILES-ONLY-1-OWNER-SINCE-NEW/303233028653?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dace228887a0e4defad8cb2da93b9bbb6%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D143462766679%26itm%3D303233028653%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A9a87e5e5-3327-11ea-913b-74dbd1802eea%7Cparentrq%3A8c3985f116f0a4b77c95b41aff80923e%7Ciid%3A1
I have looked at the MOT test certificates and there is something wrong with the mileage the past 12 years as its hardly changed. So I've changed my mind.
It was an Irish import as well. :)
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ive always had high mileage old bangers up until a few years ago,it helps if you have a decent,cheap backstreet garage that you can trust for repairs/welding jobs,etc.....
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My Berlingo which some of you know recently fried itself was bought for €1500 3 years ago. It had a few issues initially but I got them sorted and until its mysterious demise was reliable enough for me to live with.
I'm looking for another, similar van. What I like about them is the bodywork is durable as the underbody is galvanized I believe, the old 1.9 engine is pretty bomb-proof and there is a lot of storage space in the cab. Parts are readily available and affordable too. If I can find another one that doesn't self-combust, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
John
I was looking at Berlingo's on Ebay this morning and saw this.
Asking a bit much I think but he must believe low mileage is worth another £500. At a quick glance I thought this was a reasonable buy.
Dent on the front left fender/wing and not sure about the rear 'window' panel but otherwise it seems to look ok.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-BERLINGO-1-9-DIESEL-65-000-MILES-ONLY-1-OWNER-SINCE-NEW/303233028653?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dace228887a0e4defad8cb2da93b9bbb6%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D143462766679%26itm%3D303233028653%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A9a87e5e5-3327-11ea-913b-74dbd1802eea%7Cparentrq%3A8c3985f116f0a4b77c95b41aff80923e%7Ciid%3A1
I have looked at the MOT test certificates and there is something wrong with the mileage the past 12 years as its hardly changed. So I've changed my mind.
It was an Irish import as well. :)
i reckon its been clocked.......the van is 19 YEARS OLD! :o.........id stay well clear if i was him......
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I've my eye on a Berlingo that I may call to take a look at this weekend. I never knew you could look at previous MOT tests, mileage and advisories. I've learnt something ! Thank you Spruce . ;)
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The 1.9d is a wise choice.
Slow as a slug but very reliable.
They don't make em like they used to
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The one I've my eye on is a 1.6HDI L1 850 (2012)
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I've my eye on a Berlingo that I may call to take a look at this weekend. I never knew you could look at previous MOT tests, mileage and advisories. I've learnt something ! Thank you Spruce . ;)
Its a good way of getting an idea of how well the vehicle you are looking at has been looked after before.
Who would send a vehicle to MOT without checking the basics such as bulbs and wipers, or water in the washer bottle? If the vehicle had been serviced properly just before each MOT there should be no fails and few if any minor advisories. I've often seen just the failures fixed and the advisories ignored. Then the same advisories come up the following year. The vehicle is advertised as one careful owner, vehicle maintained with no expense spared.
Have a look at this as an example.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-Ford-Mondeo-2-0-TDCi-SIV-Zetec-5dr/392575122026?hash=item5b674cfa6a:g:fQ4AAOSw849d8fCG
Nice looking car and appears to be well looked after. The MOT history tells a different story. The dealer is asking a higher than average price for that model and year, probably due to its appearance.
If a seller has the number plate obscured or advertised with his own name plate, I would wonder what he is trying to hide. If it was a vehicle I was really interested in I would phone and ask for the reg number. If he wouldn't give you that (his prerogative) then I would look else where.
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The 1.9d is a wise choice.
Slow as a slug but very reliable.
They don't make em like they used to
;D
When they first came out as the 1.9d in 2000 (they were 1.8d when they were first launched in 1999) people who test drove them were convinced they were turbo engines. When compared to the old Ford Escort vans that were popular at the time, they were very nippy.
How times change!
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I bought a brand new Doblo for about 10K and ran it for 8 years and sold it to son in law one. He ran it for 4 years and sold it to someone on this forum as a cheap and cheerful runabout. It might even still be running now.
Speak of the devil Sorry was busy re filling this beauty for tomorrow might still be running now? Does a bear s*** in the woods it's been smashing it every day hasn't missed a beat since November 18
Prime example guys clean tidy 06 doblo single user system flew through it's recent MOT with 0 spend
Hits the work at the crack of Dawn I absolutely love it I'm going to be looking after it for years to come rest assured shes in good hands ;D
Glad to hear the old girl is going well - for the record I think I sold it to Dan with 45K on the clock and it was 65 ish when he sold it to you?
Great little van - only a 1.3 but with a cam chain there has been no payment on cambelt changes either.
In 2011 for six months it had me, Dan, a 400L in the back and a trailer with a 200L tank working hanging off the back of it - until I bought my present van as a two man set up.
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I've my eye on a Berlingo that I may call to take a look at this weekend. I never knew you could look at previous MOT tests, mileage and advisories. I've learnt something ! Thank you Spruce . ;)
Its a good way of getting an idea of how well the vehicle you are looking at has been looked after before.
Who would send a vehicle to MOT without checking the basics such as bulbs and wipers, or water in the washer bottle? If the vehicle had been serviced properly just before each MOT there should be no fails and few if any minor advisories. I've often seen just the failures fixed and the advisories ignored. Then the same advisories come up the following year. The vehicle is advertised as one careful owner, vehicle maintained with no expense spared.
Have a look at this as an example.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-Ford-Mondeo-2-0-TDCi-SIV-Zetec-5dr/392575122026?hash=item5b674cfa6a:g:fQ4AAOSw849d8fCG
Nice looking car and appears to be well looked after. The MOT history tells a different story. The dealer is asking a higher than average price for that model and year, probably due to its appearance.
If a seller has the number plate obscured or advertised with his own name plate, I would wonder what he is trying to hide. If it was a vehicle I was really interested in I would phone and ask for the reg number. If he wouldn't give you that (his prerogative) then I would look else where.
Great tips as always Spruce 👍
The one I've seen is advertised as a full service history, although it's Mot is only until March, its history shows no failures apart from its first (tyres) and no advisories for last year's one.
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If its at a dealership, then ask if it will be sold with full MOT, if not walk away. There are plenty of other good old vans to be had that will have a decent MOT. Uf you are looking at a 1.6 Berlingo check the mileage cam belt and water pump due at 109k ir 10 years. Also when you test drive it any smoke, white that doesn't disappear after about a mile, walj away, blue ir black smoke, walk away. You are talkinf injector trouble or valve stem oil seal trouble. I git ripped with my 1.6 Dispatch, had to have 4 new injectors fitred after 4 months ownership. £650.. The 1.9 is much more reliable and easier to work on.
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If its at a dealership, then ask if it will be sold with full MOT, if not walk away. There are plenty of other good old vans to be had that will have a decent MOT. Uf you are looking at a 1.6 Berlingo check the mileage cam belt and water pump due at 109k ir 10 years. Also when you test drive it any smoke, white that doesn't disappear after about a mile, walj away, blue ir black smoke, walk away. You are talkinf injector trouble or valve stem oil seal trouble. I git ripped with my 1.6 Dispatch, had to have 4 new injectors fitred after 4 months ownership. £650.. The 1.9 is much more reliable and easier to work on.
Thank you Rich, will take that advice on board. Its a private sale so hoping for some wriggle room on price, but if not I'd like a new MOT on it, that's for sure.
Its got 100k on clock but looks mint from pics. I've seen others with lower mileage but more age related marks and scrapes, tatty dusty load beds and paint spills etc. always makes me concerned they've had a hard life.
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Ask if the cam belt and water pump have been done, if so you need to see an invoice for that. If mot then factor that in the price, it will cost 3pp-350 to get done. It is preventative maintenance, if yout cambelt snaps its bye bye engine., as the valves and pistons will connect at the wrong time, thus bending the valves.
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I bought a brand new Doblo for about 10K and ran it for 8 years and sold it to son in law one. He ran it for 4 years and sold it to someone on this forum as a cheap and cheerful runabout. It might even still be running now.
Speak of the devil Sorry was busy re filling this beauty for tomorrow might still be running now? Does a bear s*** in the woods it's been smashing it every day hasn't missed a beat since November 18
Prime example guys clean tidy 06 doblo single user system flew through it's recent MOT with 0 spend
Hits the work at the crack of Dawn I absolutely love it I'm going to be looking after it for years to come rest assured shes in good hands ;D
Glad to hear the old girl is going well - for the record I think I sold it to Dan with 45K on the clock and it was 65 ish when he sold it to you?
Great little van - only a 1.3 but with a cam chain there has been no payment on cambelt changes either.
In 2011 for six months it had me, Dan, a 400L in the back and a trailer with a 200L tank working hanging off the back of it - until I bought my present van as a two man set up.
Haha yeah if you needed that much water dont blame you for upgrading.Dan was so helpful too really a pleasant guy
Oh it was about 82k I think shes about to turn 90 so about 8k in just over a year as I say flew through its last MOT with no extra spend apart from a tyre so well chuffed ;D
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Ask if the cam belt and water pump have been done, if so you need to see an invoice for that. If mot then factor that in the price, it will cost 3pp-350 to get done. It is preventative maintenance, if yout cambelt snaps its bye bye engine., as the valves and pistons will connect at the wrong time, thus bending the valves.
Exactly. Had my 15 Yr old ranger serviced a couple of months back ahead of selling it this year and cam belt done at same time in the hope that it sells easier.
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The one I've my eye on is a 1.6HDI L1 850 (2012)
Just a word of caution...
The 1.6 HDi does need to have regular oil changes (i think it's every 10,000 miles or every 12 months, whichever is sooner).
Check the service history to see if regular services have been done over the lifetime of the vehicle.
As the 1.6 HDi engine has a reputation for turbo issues, but this has been linked to irregular oil changes as far as i remember.
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The one I've my eye on is a 1.6HDI L1 850 (2012)
Just a word of caution...
The 1.6 HDi does need to have regular oil changes (i think it's every 10,000 miles or every 12 months, whichever is sooner).
Check the service history to see if regular services have been done over the lifetime of the vehicle.
As the 1.6 HDi engine has a reputation for turbo issues, but this has been linked to irregular oil changes as far as i remember.
Thank you Andy. As a matter of course I've always serviced my vehicles annually end of September/October with an oil and filter change, air filter, fluid top ups etc. but good to know.
I've narrowed down my choices to this van because I need an economical and smaller more compact van now and the occasional 3rd seat in the cab. With a tight budget of approx £3k , it seems to be the best option .
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Don’t buy a Toyota .......... two lightbulbs now in ten years.
Bloody rubbish!
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I use a Peugeot Partner (same as Berlingo)
I highly recommend them!
The old 1.9's are cheap as chips and go on forever (touch wood)
Payload is only 600kg though so no good for carting a 1000 litre tank about
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I use a Peugeot Partner (same as Berlingo)
I highly recommend them!
The old 1.9's are cheap as chips and go on forever (touch wood)
Payload is only 600kg though so no good for carting a 1000 litre tank about
Shame I need the occasional 3rd seat or the 1.9 would be on the list.
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I use a Peugeot Partner (same as Berlingo)
I highly recommend them!
The old 1.9's are cheap as chips and go on forever (touch wood)
Payload is only 600kg though so no good for carting a 1000 litre tank about
Shame I need the occasional 3rd seat or the 1.9 would be on the list.
Do check to see how usable that middle seat actually is.
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I bought a Peugeot Partner from a local van centre which sells loads of vans a month and always has around 500 in stock. These vans are mainly ex fleet with high mileage and full service history plus most are one owner too! The van I got is a 11 plate 1.9 which had 135,000 miles on clock for £2,500 and no vat! I took a 6 months warranty out for £200 extra but never had to use it van drives like new!!
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I use a Peugeot Partner (same as Berlingo)
I highly recommend them!
The old 1.9's are cheap as chips and go on forever (touch wood)
Payload is only 600kg though so no good for carting a 1000 litre tank about
Shame I need the occasional 3rd seat or the 1.9 would be on the list.
Do check to see how usable that middle seat actually is.
Enough for my needs Spruce and only occasional short journey. With my partner not being a driver I refuse to bear the cost of running a car as well for the odd time we take a passenger too. Currently have a 15 year old ford ranger supercab with truckman. Great for working out the back of, but total overkill and uneconomical for the odd time we have a passenger, but she's insisting on at least 3 seats ! >:(
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Enough for my needs Spruce and only occasional short journey. With my partner not being a driver I refuse to bear the cost of running a car as well for the odd time we take a passenger too. Currently have a 15 year old ford ranger supercab with truckman. Great for working out the back of, but total overkill and uneconomical for the odd time we have a passenger, but she's insisting on at least 3 seats ! >:(
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I have a 17 year old Ranger Supercab for work and ferrying the kids. Eight years owned with no hassle. Wouldn't be without it and could never go back to a van.
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I'll be sad to see it go. But it's mpg is terrible, barely fits on our short driveway ( moved house.) and is a right pita when it comes to hatchback sized parking spaces for the majority of my highly populated urban work. Shame though as its the most comfortable work vehicle I've owned. 😔
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Would a newer double cab pick up not be an option better mpg than the ranger and more cab space for when you need it I've used pick ups in the past and currently run an l200 for work and social wouldn't want to go back to a van.
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I bought a Peugeot Partner from a local van centre which sells loads of vans a month and always has around 500 in stock. These vans are mainly ex fleet with high mileage and full service history plus most are one owner too! The van I got is a 11 plate 1.9 which had 135,000 miles on clock for £2,500 and no vat! I took a 6 months warranty out for £200 extra but never had to use it van drives like new!!
Drives like new yeah right oh,go and drive a new van and then come back and tell us.
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I'll be sad to see it go. But it's mpg is terrible, barely fits on our short driveway ( moved house.) and is a right pita when it comes to hatchback sized parking spaces for the majority of my highly populated urban work. Shame though as its the most comfortable work vehicle I've owned. 😔
How bad is the mpg and how does that compare to a van ?
I appreciate the parking space issue. Mine can be a pain on some of the very rurals due to the narrowness of the roads.
Fortunately, most of my work is larger, detached houses with plenty of space.
The sheer amount of off roading I regualry do rules out a van for me.
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I have just bought a Peugeot Partner 1.9d to replace my recently cremated Berlingo. It's an oldie (2006) but the bodywork is near perfect, no rust or damage anywhere on it. It needs a few things doing to it before I start using it in earnest, but it was as cheap as chips and even once everything is done on it, it will still be a cheap, cheerful, tidy and reliable work horse.
John
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I bought a Peugeot Partner from a local van centre which sells loads of vans a month and always has around 500 in stock. These vans are mainly ex fleet with high mileage and full service history plus most are one owner too! The van I got is a 11 plate 1.9 which had 135,000 miles on clock for £2,500 and no vat! I took a 6 months warranty out for £200 extra but never had to use it van drives like new!!
Drives like new yeah right oh,go and drive a new van and then come back and tell us.
Plonka!! Its a term people use go look on Autotrader where you'll see loads of ads for second hand vans and they'll use this in their advert! Or in simpler terms we say things like "there was a queue a mile long at the shops" but it wasn't really a mile just a long queue!!
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I'm beginning to think a 1.9 now . She'll be furious with me ( 2 seats ) but its my money and my business !
Seen a very good condition 2006 with low miles. Do these have a dpf ?
Tried googling but cant find the answer.
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The one I've my eye on is a 1.6HDI L1 850 (2012)
Just a word of caution...
The 1.6 HDi does need to have regular oil changes (i think it's every 10,000 miles or every 12 months, whichever is sooner).
Check the service history to see if regular services have been done over the lifetime of the vehicle.
As the 1.6 HDi engine has a reputation for turbo issues, but this has been linked to irregular oil changes as far as i remember.
I always get my oil changed every year regardless of mileage.....mines only done 10,000 miles in 3 years and its coming up to its 3rd oil change(I'll get the fuel filter changed too this time)
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I would say to every van owner keep changing the fuel filter every other service,gets overlooked as it was by me the van drove like a dog before I started regularly changing it.
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I'm beginning to think a 1.9 now . She'll be furious with me ( 2 seats ) but its my money and my business !
Seen a very good condition 2006 with low miles. Do these have a dpf ?
Tried googling but cant find the answer.
No DPF on them mate. I'll stand to be corrected but the DPF's come in on the Berlingo/ Partners around 2012/2013. I've just got rid of my 1.9, i found it ok and no problems, great on fuel. They ain't turbo so they aint hot off the mark, some people describe them as slow but for a van fully loaded i thought it was fine. You won't be holding anyone up but neither will you be streaking down lane three on the motorway passing everyone in a moment of madness .
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The 1.9 is bullet proof not as good on fuel as the 1.6 hdi., but halell of a lot simpler and more reluable. Having had both the 1.5 is s h i t eeeee companies to the 1.9
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I'm not knocking anyone who prefers to buy and run a new van, but I personally don't see the need to spend thousands on a new or nearly new van which will lose a huge percentage of its value in the first 2 or 3 years. I prefer an older, cheaper van that is simpler to maintain, won't depreciate much more than it already has and will still do the job for a few years with a little care and attention. If it looks clean and tidy, which I try to keep mine, so much the better.
John
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Mind you there is one very good side which I haven't really explored and that is buying it brand new but literally the day the Warranty ceases is the day you sell it and get another one but I'm guessing a £20,000 van will probably be worth about £10,000 if I'm not mistaken? So that's still £10,000 the cheap van could potentially only cost about £4,000 over this period.
I may have the numbers modelled up on the new van to 3 years old but basically if you lose 4 or maybe 5k at a push that could be decent considering the peace of mind you'll get.
This is bang on. I picked up a 2 year 363 day old vauxhaul sportiv for 9.5k at auction. The 2 days until the warranty ran out gave me a little peace of mind that if there was anything major wrong like a dodgy gearbox I'd know straightaway and get it into a dealership.
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I'm not knocking anyone who prefers to buy and run a new van, but I personally don't see the need to spend thousands on a new or nearly new van which will lose a huge percentage of its value in the first 2 or 3 years. I prefer an older, cheaper van that is simpler to maintain, won't depreciate much more than it already has and will still do the job for a few years with a little care and attention. If it looks clean and tidy, which I try to keep mine, so much the better.
John
It's for the reliability and peace of mind.
I bit the bullet and brought a new van in July 2013.
Prior to that from 2010-2013 i had a Fiat Doblo and then a Citroen Berlingo, both used vans and both with intermittent reliability issues.
Since 2013 my current van has only been off the road for annual routine services and mot's which are planned for.
Of course you could be lucky and buy a used van that turns out to be reliable, but then again it might not be, so it's a gamble.