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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jay moley on January 02, 2020, 09:54:35 pm
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Ok so I've decided to incentivise my 2 employees to up productivity.
One earns £100 a day the other £105.
We currently do £350 a day - I know this is too low from people's posts in the past.
In the long term I'd look to replace both and lower the day rate, but for now I need them.
How would you go about it chaps?
Thanks as always.
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Go round with them and show them the speed they should be working.
Are they in two separate vans?
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You are paying them too much already
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You cannot legally lower employee wages without them agreeing to it first.
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What you can do instead is give them a monetary monthly target that needs to be met in order to get them to generate more money each month. It would need to be fair though. If they don't make it get rid of them and replace with someone on a lower day rate but include and end of month bonus for making the target.
Your welcome
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Go round with them and show them the speed they should be working.
Are they in two separate vans?
They are in one van, together.
I know it's poor.
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What you can do instead is give them a monetary monthly target that needs to be met in order to get them to generate more money each month. It would need to be fair though. If they don't make it get rid of them and replace with someone on a lower day rate but include and end of month bonus for making the target.
Your welcome
Thanks for your thoughts.
What monthly target would you go for?
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I cant answer your question because I dont know your business model, prices, ect ect. Only you can answer that. It should be a target that is still doable if they were to have 2/3 days off a month, which they should be using to take their holiday pay.
In the mean time I would be changing to 2 vans. And I still cant understand how your running the business at a loss every day?
£350 - VAT £70 - 2 staff members £205 leaves £75 then running costs then employers NI staff holiday pay ect ect. Only way I see your doing this is by not declaring the cash you get and your 2 are "self employed" I would sort your model out fast before the tax man pulls your pants down. Sorry for the tough love.
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You're paying them the right money but they should be doing £350 a day each, not between them, do you even make any money out of this?
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You need to sack both of them and start again.:-)
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If they are doing that amount between them from 1 van as you say that’s poor,I don’t think it would ever work having 2 employees in 1 van everyday,mind you it’ll give em plenty of time to moan about the boss together lol.
I don’t know what kind of work you have but I would be expecting that from each of them in a van of there own,I know someone that does this but the 2 blokes are self employed in there own vans,he takes 45% for himself and the rest is there’s,he pays them and deals with any late payments.
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Hi again.
Well you won't be in vat as the max turnover on 240 days is £84k so say 5k less for bank holidays etc makes £79k.
With those wages I would say you are lucky to see a £100 a day.
Not to turn nose up at but if and when van breaks down you'll feel the pinch.
You need to lay one off I know it's hard but you do the work with one person even at 350 that leaves you £250 and that's loads better.
Then if you plan to expand leave it one man per van.
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You've left out the most important piece of info, with your pricing what sort of money should your guys be making per day, how many properties do they clean ? in other words are they lazy or are you underpriced.
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1 man working a full day if you have decent work should be able to clean 400 quids worth of work,if it’s worth his while he’ll get that much work done if you pay him 100 a day he make excuses and say it’s not doable.
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1 man working a full day if you have decent work should be able to clean 400 quids worth of work,if it’s worth his while he’ll get that much work done if you pay him 100 a day he make excuses and say it’s not doable.
One man turning over £2000 a week??? Yeh right lol. ::)roll Good luck.
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1 man working a full day if you have decent work should be able to clean 400 quids worth of work,if it’s worth his while he’ll get that much work done if you pay him 100 a day he make excuses and say it’s not doable.
One man turning over £2000 a week??? Yeh right lol. ::)roll Good luck.
I don't see why not.
I mean I couldn't do it in my area with my pricing but I only average £12.
I don't see why someone who averages £20 couldn't do it. It's only 20 jobs a day.
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Is it your van? If so, bring it in for 'maintenance' for a day, and install a tracker. Let them know it's been done, and see what happens.
Are they paid day rate, or hourly? If day rate, flip them over to hourly, combined with the tracker above will keep a closer eye. If on hourly, and their worksheets claim they are working more hours than they actually did is a good reason to terminate with immediate effect.
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1 man working a full day if you have decent work should be able to clean 400 quids worth of work,if it’s worth his while he’ll get that much work done if you pay him 100 a day he make excuses and say it’s not doable.
One man turning over £2000 a week??? Yeh right lol. ::)roll Good luck.
I don't see why not.
I mean I couldn't do it in my area with my pricing but I only average £12.
I don't see why someone who averages £20 couldn't do it. It's only 20 jobs a day.
Yes but we are talking about Nigel 2+2=6, as for the rest of us what we should be able to do on paper and what we end up doing tend to be worlds apart.
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You’re quiet welcome to come down and sit shotgun with me for as long as you like.
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Hi again.
Well you won't be in vat as the max turnover on 240 days is £84k so say 5k less for bank holidays etc makes £79k.
With those wages I would say you are lucky to see a £100 a day.
Not to turn nose up at but if and when van breaks down you'll feel the pinch.
You need to lay one off I know it's hard but you do the work with one person even at 350 that leaves you £250 and that's loads better.
Then if you plan to expand leave it one man per van.
this seems to be the most sensible post on this thread......id go even further though and sack em both and keep the best work for myself,sell a bit of work on and condense it into a 30 hour week. ;D
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You need to be taking double yourself for what your paying them,if they were cleaning 300 I’d want 200 if it was my van they were working from. 2 blokes from 1 van cleaning 350 says to me you either have below average prices or they are having you over time wise with cleaning it,in effect they are only cleaning a back and a side or a front and a side on each property which on even big jobs can mostly be silly quick to clean,this is why when you’ve cleaned the stuff yourself you know what should be done and what can be done realistically in a day on the glass.
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1 man working a full day if you have decent work should be able to clean 400 quids worth of work,if it’s worth his while he’ll get that much work done if you pay him 100 a day he make excuses and say it’s not doable.
One man turning over £2000 a week??? Yeh right lol. ::)roll Good luck.
Us maintaining that would be impossible even if you work alone That's because we need to do everything else associated with the business . But an employee who goes home sleeps works goes home after work and sleeps literally only Focuses on one job this is doable if your pricing correctly and the hours are put in.
£400 per day one van is where it needs to really be to make it worth while sounds impressive but wait till I break it down.
£400 gross of standard rate vat is £333 net take away at least £120 for wages inc holiday etc leaves £213.00 take away diesel for the day £10 £203 add up your annual passive running costs like insurance tax repairs so from £400 we could easily break that number down to about £170.
How many working hours have you put in for that £170? Sorting the van out every night sorting the work out speaking to customers repairing replacing equipment. You could genuinely deduct £50 a day for yourself for that then you've got your annual wage..
So really needs to be 350-400 minimum when you break it down the 400 sounds alot better given all the expenses and vat in order to make a decent profit for all the time you're also putting in.
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It all depends on what type of work you have someone who cleans 20-30 small houses a day would think it impossible,so does the thought of someone with 8-9 vans turning over 60-70k a month.
Where there’s a will there’s a way if you have big houses you can clean 3-4 big detached houses and a very big one on top of that and 400 is easily done,how many years have you been sorting wheat from chaff do you make the effort to weed out all the rubbish,do you say no to a job even though some people may think you were mad to turn it away if you’ve done the above you’ll know 400 will get done easily enough most days.
Everyone’s work is different just because you yourself can’t achieve certain numbers don’t jump to conclusions thinking others aren’t doing it at a canter.
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Without answering to every individual post:
1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.
2) Average job is £20.
3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.
4) They have become complacent.
5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.
6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.
7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.
Thanks for all the replies.
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Saying you need them is short term thinking, you need to think long term, paying out 205 and they are turning over 350 you will go bankrupt
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Without answering to every individual post:
1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.
2) Average job is £20.
3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.
4) They have become complacent.
5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.
6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.
7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.
Thanks for all the replies.
I think that's the best bet you'll have to let one go it's obviously going to be quite a hard conversation no one's going to like it so it would be fair to give notice even if you have them on self employment.
And if they still can't find work you can mention when things get busier I can bring you in occasionally.
I think the best thing for you to do is go out again with one person find out what you both can make consistently over the week.and do the whole round.
If you find out you're averaging about £600 per day then you know people have been slacking.
In which case next time you have two people doing the work just be clear with them explain you have a lot of expenses and VAT to eventually pay so the target will be £600 you have to do this to keep your job otherwise I just do it myself.
You're in business to make a profit
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Without answering to every individual post:
1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.
2) Average job is £20.
3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.
4) They have become complacent.
5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.
6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.
7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.
Thanks for all the replies.
I think that's the best bet you'll have to let one go it's obviously going to be quite a hard conversation no one's going to like it so it would be fair to give notice even if you have them on self employment.
And if they still can't find work you can mention when things get busier I can bring you in occasionally.
I think the best thing for you to do is go out again with one person find out what you both can make consistently over the week.and do the whole round.
If you find out you're averaging about £600 per day then you know people have been slacking.
In which case next time you have two people doing the work just be clear with them explain you have a lot of expenses and VAT to eventually pay so the target will be £600 you have to do this to keep your job otherwise I just do it myself.
You're in business to make a profit
Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
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Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
hi jay,
its very possible.
i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400
we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people for years (before i split the guys up last year
i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years
it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day
some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house
hope this is food for thought.
R
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Without answering to every individual post:
1) I think they are slow hence why they're not banging enough out.
2) Average job is £20.
3) There speed maybe being affected a little bit by poor access issues at jobs. Jobs I took on when I built the round and would take anything on. This is not the majority of work tho.
4) They have become complacent.
5) I should have addressed the issue sooner.
6) Ultimately I'd like to replace both. As someone posted maybe the next step is getting rid of one. One of them is slower than the other, so he'd be the one to go.
7) I haven't incentivised them so in there eyes they have no reason to work quicker/harder.
Thanks for all the replies.
I think that's the best bet you'll have to let one go it's obviously going to be quite a hard conversation no one's going to like it so it would be fair to give notice even if you have them on self employment.
And if they still can't find work you can mention when things get busier I can bring you in occasionally.
I think the best thing for you to do is go out again with one person find out what you both can make consistently over the week.and do the whole round.
If you find out you're averaging about £600 per day then you know people have been slacking.
In which case next time you have two people doing the work just be clear with them explain you have a lot of expenses and VAT to eventually pay so the target will be £600 you have to do this to keep your job otherwise I just do it myself.
You're in business to make a profit
Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
If you have an average job price of £20 then that's only 30 Jobs for £600?
Or are your jobs big houses or spread out?
When I work as a 2 man we regularly do 35 to 40 houses a day. Average 3 bed semis for the most part.
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If it’s 30 jobs and they are not compact day in day out it would be a lot harder to achieve,if you have large houses that are 50-60 + you can see how this is easily doable with 2 men in 1 van.
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Jay dont feel stupid just go out in the van yourself with one person and test the water.
7h work plus a break.. a long days work
Then See what your able to hit all you'll need is 4 full houses an hour for 2 guys on average x 7h will get you £560.00.
Make your goal of going out monday with your best guy and report back to us nothing much more to say till then.
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Jay dont feel stupid just go out in the van yourself with one person and test the water.
7h work plus a break.. a long days work
Then See what your able to hit all you'll need is 4 full houses an hour for 2 guys on average x 7h will get you £560.00.
Make your goal of going out monday with your best guy and report back to us nothing much more to say till then.
exactly this
once you know what can be done, work out how to get there.
it'll take a bit of time to get there, but with a mindset of.. 'what do i need to do to hit this target?' you will do so.
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Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
hi jay,
its very possible.
i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400
we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people for years (before i split the guys up last year
i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years
it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day
some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house
hope this is food for thought.
R
Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.
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Jay dont feel stupid just go out in the van yourself with one person and test the water.
7h work plus a break.. a long days work
Then See what your able to hit all you'll need is 4 full houses an hour for 2 guys on average x 7h will get you £560.00.
Make your goal of going out monday with your best guy and report back to us nothing much more to say till then.
Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.
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I agree Dry clean to a point but that’s what they’d need to be doing to make it worth it especially if they were using a supplied vehicle.
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Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
hi jay,
its very possible.
i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400
we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people for years (before i split the guys up last year
i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years
it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day
some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house
hope this is food for thought.
R
Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.
"Once again you're confusing opinions with evidence , what you have given is opinions" DryClean
well they obviously dont think the same as you.
employing isn't just about paying the highest wage. there are a number of factors we all use to decide upon whether a job is good for them.
they have had other options but for various reasons the job I offer works well for them
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Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.
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The back story is that while I started the business I have been totally, and I mean totally out of the business for 6 years due to ill health. My Dad has barely kept it alive while he's done his own full time job. My Dad just did his best without any prior knowledge of window cleaning. So it's not his fault that the business is in a mess. I'm now in a position to start taking it back over. Basically the staff have been taking the mick without my Dad knowing as he didn't know what was possible.
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Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
hi jay,
its very possible.
i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400
we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people for years (before i split the guys up last year
i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years
it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day
some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house
hope this is food for thought.
R
Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.
"Once again you're confusing opinions with evidence , what you have given is opinions" DryClean
well they obviously dont think the same as you.
employing isn't just about paying the highest wage. there are a number of factors we all use to decide upon whether a job is good for them.
they have had other options but for various reasons the job I offer works well for them
Most factories local to me offer £600 or more a week/ sick pay pensions and so on so and still find it hard enough to recruit so if can get reliable guys to clean windows for that sort of money then fair play to you, more so in an area where £400 is possible to do daily which would lead me to believe that a shortage of decent employment wouldn't be a factor.
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Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.
The back story is that while I started the business I have been totally, and I mean totally out of the business for 6 years due to ill health. My Dad has barely kept it alive while he's done his own full time job. My Dad just did his best without any prior knowledge of window cleaning. So it's not his fault that the business is in a mess. I'm now in a position to start taking it back over. Basically the staff have been taking the mick without my Dad knowing as he didn't know what was possible.
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OK well that all makes sense thanks for sharing that.
So you know what to do then get out tomorrow and find out where the target should be.
You're not running a charity they need to make targets.
It's unrealistic to find someone who's going to work as hard and correct as you so whatever target you reach I would deduct 10% of that
It's all about the Weekly average tho some days you'll clean less some more. So if you really pushed yourself and managed say £2500 then you should accept about £2200-£2300 anything else is a bonus.
As everyone agreed in the long term your better of changing it to one man per van.
So tomorrow get up at the crack of dawn and make
A change for the better good luck!
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Why doesn't he already know this ? there's just too much on this thread that doesn't add up.
The back story is that while I started the business I have been totally, and I mean totally out of the business for 6 years due to ill health. My Dad has barely kept it alive while he's done his own full time job. My Dad just did his best without any prior knowledge of window cleaning. So it's not his fault that the business is in a mess. I'm now in a position to start taking it back over. Basically the staff have been taking the mick without my Dad knowing as he didn't know what was possible.
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What I mean is most guys would build a round working by themselves so before employing they would know what its possible to earn, do in a day, you will need to know this before going any further.
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Two people doing £600 a day?
That can't be possible unless you had some commercial work or a few massive houses.
This thread makes me feel like a massive c
hi jay,
its very possible.
i average £400 a day one man per van on domestics. not every day as some rounds are incomplete, but some are over £400
we've been doing £600 on domestics a day with 2 people for years (before i split the guys up last year
i pay my guys who can do this £90 a day fully employed. they've been with me for over 5 years
it depends on the average price per house, but also your setup and your training. i could only train guys to hit these figures when i could do it myself. before i could do it myself (i started off just office based) the guys were telling me its impossible to hit £300 a day
some people will say it depends on what area of the country you are in.. but i have people in my same area who think they cant change over £10 a house
hope this is food for thought.
R
Knocking out £400 worth of work for £90 a day, how brain dead would you need to be not come home from work each day feeling like a total mug.
"Once again you're confusing opinions with evidence , what you have given is opinions" DryClean
well they obviously dont think the same as you.
employing isn't just about paying the highest wage. there are a number of factors we all use to decide upon whether a job is good for them.
they have had other options but for various reasons the job I offer works well for them
Most factories local to me offer £600 or more a week/ sick pay pensions and so on so and still find it hard enough to recruit so if can get reliable guys to clean windows for that sort of money then fair play to you, more so in an area where £400 is possible to do daily which would lead me to believe that a shortage of decent employment wouldn't be a factor.
to be honest i dont know what the factories around me pay, but i understand in my area over £10 and hour for unskilled manual work is decent enough, and then i suppose the terms of employment work for them. they work 4 long days a week and 3 off. i look after them.
i guess we are well paid compared to delivery drivers and its an easier job with more security and more independence
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Those doing £400 or above for a single man:
Are any corners being cut, like not bothering to clean the frames or not wiping down downstairs sills?
Another question I suppose:
How do you ensure you clean a house in the quickest possible time?
Cheers
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You don’t need to cut any corners m8 you need to do good sized houses and you can average 6-8 houses a day.
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If you are having to clean 20 + houses a day you’ll end up cutting corners,it’s a wheat and chaff game its shifting sand to constantly month on month year on year replace lower paying work with work that’s always worth more for less time spent cleaning.
I’ve always said if you have 10 £50 plus jobs why can’t you go and get another 10 or 50 or a 100 houses the same,you may have the same amount to do tomorrow as me money wise but I might be able to get mine done in half the time leaving me enough energy to do it day on day,Wednesday or Thursday might come and you’ve had enough coz you are running.
I wished I’d known when I was at school a bloke said to me once the most important muscle is the one between your ears,the second one that will give you as much pleasure is the one between you’re legs lol.
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If you are having to clean 20 + houses a day you’ll end up cutting corners,it’s a wheat and chaff game its shifting sand to constantly month on month year on year replace lower paying work with work that’s always worth more for less time spent cleaning.
I’ve always said if you have 10 £50 plus jobs why can’t you go and get another 10 or 50 or a 100 houses the same,you may have the same amount to do tomorrow as me money wise but I might be able to get mine done in half the time leaving me enough energy to do it day on day,Wednesday or Thursday might come and you’ve had enough coz you are running.
I wished I’d known when I was at school a bloke said to me once the most important muscle is the one between your ears,the second one that will give you as much pleasure is the one between you’re legs lol.
Your cōck isn’t a muscle ::)roll
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If you are having to clean 20 + houses a day you’ll end up cutting corners,it’s a wheat and chaff game its shifting sand to constantly month on month year on year replace lower paying work with work that’s always worth more for less time spent cleaning.
I’ve always said if you have 10 £50 plus jobs why can’t you go and get another 10 or 50 or a 100 houses the same,you may have the same amount to do tomorrow as me money wise but I might be able to get mine done in half the time leaving me enough energy to do it day on day,Wednesday or Thursday might come and you’ve had enough coz you are running.
I wished I’d known when I was at school a bloke said to me once the most important muscle is the one between your ears,the second one that will give you as much pleasure is the one between you’re legs lol.
I can't see how you can grow a window cleaning business by only taking on high priced work. It would take ages. You have to take on a variety of priced work obviously without taking on underpriced work.
It's not as if you are going to get 10 new enquiries all from high priced work one after the other.
If you've got a full round you could be more selective and replace low priced work with high priced work. But if you don't have a full round or want to go to another van you can't turn away stuff unless it's underpriced or inconvenient work.
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Those doing £400 or above for a single man:
Are any corners being cut, like not bothering to clean the frames or not wiping down downstairs sills?
Another question I suppose:
How do you ensure you clean a house in the quickest possible time?
Cheers
Only NWH - he's boasted in the past the he's happy not to clean the frames on his customer houses...
it's about refining how you work, getting in the correct position to clean quickly and parking where you can reach more than one property at a time, the biggest thing my guys usually do is clean a house then go back to the van reel in then return to the house and either knock for money or post. card - this should e done while at the house saves a journey to and from the van..
also the increase in DD - credit cards and go Cardless saves time on offing for change - mindless chit chat etc...
Darran
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If I wanted to put another van on the road with my turnover of work I could but I’m happy at the moment with what I’m doing as I have a cleaning side to the business as well at the moment which is ticking over,I’m not interested in doing loads of 20 quid houses and running I’ve employed before and done that.
When I’m ready to do it again the work is there in a monetary way to be able to employ without the stress of not knowing whether they’ll be able to hit the right numbers if they’ve WFPoled before,I have my work so if I get behind due to weather or time off I can catch up money wise cherry picking work to make up the loss by doing larger work priced well.
I used to have 3 times the work when having employed I can now get more in my pocket doing less work than with 2 of us cleaning 2-3 times as many jobs,no point in having loads of work if it’s average because it’ll pay average.
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the other biggie (after equipment fixed hose reel etc) is just cleaning the window to the amount it requires..
someone posted a really good description of this a few months back..
you look at the window when you approach it and see how dirty it is and how much cleaning it'll need.
with maintenance cleans most only need a once over everything if they're being done 4 weekly... so long as you are looking out for extra dirty ones, or bird muck etc (those will need cleaning till they're done) you'll be fine
personally the first time i did over £300 a day on my own, was when i had to pickup my son from nursery for 2pm. when i went out that morning i needed to finish the round and just did every trick in the book to make sure i was finished in time.
i nailed it with enough time to have lunch with my dad defore getting my boy...
once you've got it, its easy
the simplest way to hit it would be to spend a day with a chap on here who is already doing it so you can see for yourself of course
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NWH .If you start adult 9am and finish at 5pm 20 houses with the WFP at £20.00 so 3bed semis
Cant see How that's not possible it wouldn't be rushed its 3 an hour.
It would be hard for the bussniess owner to do that consistantly with everything else needed to be done.but an employee working solely on the glass long days is doable on regular cleans
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There would be no point in spending a day with someone on here for the sake of it,the work someone else does might be completely different to you,you might clean 20 terrace houses at a fiver a pop and someone might have a fairly easy 100 quid house that takes half the time window cleaning is all about what type of work you have.
This is why we get conflicting opinions all the time because some are cleaning houses in other parts of the country for a fraction of what other cleaners are getting so you are classed as a boasting liar,you may have a 25 quid house you may think is a great little earner yet another cleaner may think I have jobs I can clean in the same time for 3 x the money so your 25 quid job in there eyes becomes not worth bothering with,it’s all about what jobs YOU have and clean year in year out no one can take you out and show you how it’s done you need better paying jobs and you need to be able to make your daily target easier to achieve with price.
You can’t keep going out and knocking out 20-30 jobs a day week after week why not find work that’s prices better and clean 2/3s less work,it’s not brain surgery lol.
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I don’t start at 9 that’s the middle of the morning for me,an hour in the morning is worth 2 in the afternoon,very true that.
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I also found that sticking religiously to a route of work limits you take all this round software etc,I do what work I know that is due that will provide the amount I want to earn on any given day-week.
I might have work due that a software programme is telling me to do tomorrow it might be paying me for example 20 quid for the day,I would rather check my records and see the weathers bad Tuesday so I’ll go and do 50 tomorrow instead because make up for the wet day I couldn’t have done much on.
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You have to largely ignore whats been said by other cleaners to a point.
You can only work with what youve got in your area.
Its no good someone telling you to do 6 large houses a day to do £400 one man if your local market wont sustain it.
Theres no houses big enough in my city to have a round of those and even if there was theres no way i would get 50/60 quid a pop for them. My biggest house is £30!
Likewise its ok me saying do 40 houses 2 man but maybe you cant get work as compact as that.
Just do what you can with what youve got, prices DO vary massively from north to south
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NWH .If you start adult 9am and finish at 5pm 20 houses with the WFP at £20.00 so 3bed semis
Cant see How that's not possible it wouldn't be rushed its 3 an hour.
It would be hard for the bussniess owner to do that consistantly with everything else needed to be done.but an employee working solely on the glass long days is doable on regular cleans
No I agree but would you rather clean that work in that time or do it in just over half the time,I’m not saying you can’t do 300 if you live south of the Thames and you aren’t taking 300 a day I would say your not trying to hard you have to do the school pick up or you are just plain lazy.
I’m saying every day you get chance to do the hours with average weather,so so many window cleaners out there that start at 9-10 o’clock finish at 2-2-30 they are the ones that think it’s boasting rubbish when you say you cant earn over 150-200 a day,in there eyes no one works harder or quicker than them and charges more.
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You have to largely ignore whats been said by other cleaners to a point.
You can only work with what youve got in your area.
Its no good someone telling you to do 6 large houses a day to do £400 one man if your local market wont sustain it.
Theres no houses big enough in my city to have a round of those and even if there was theres no way i would get 50/60 quid a pop for them. My biggest house is £30!
Likewise its ok me saying do 40 houses 2 man but maybe you cant get work as compact as that.
Just do what you can with what youve got, prices DO vary massively from north to south
Correct what you said you have to ignore most of it because what’s possible for you might not be possible for me,this is why you get so many replies saying certain things are not in anyway possible.
I could tell you what I get for certain houses- jobs you might think what a complete load of rubbish there’s no way he will be getting X for that,the simple reason you’d never get it in your area so you not believing it would understandable but that doesn’t in any way mean it’s not happening or being done.
If I told some people I knew what Pryors are taking or turning over a month they’d laugh me down the road,but it’s happening.
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There would be no point in spending a day with someone on here for the sake of it,
::)roll
if you want to learn how to do something the quickest way is to find someone who is already doing it and copy them
the idea that someone in one area of the UK can't learn from someone else in a different area of the UK doing the same business is obviously ridiculous.
i'm ducking out of this chat now though. there's no point in arguing over something so blindingly obvious :P
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Why would you help someone in you’re area as regards what you are charging and how you go about it,there’s enough seagulls about sitting waiting to take food out of you’re mouth I don’t really think there’s much point in volunteering the the facts.
One thing I’ve learnt in life as well as window cleaning is trust no one that has to be well and truly earned lol,one minute there coming round with you saying oh right oh I see the next week they are knocking on the doors lol,if I was 30 years older maybe.
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didnt know we had so many people on here that employ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
if this, if that, and god feck me you dont employ
isn't funny when you ask about Vat it all goes quiet
smell ballsxit ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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There we go must be rubbish talk can’t be done no way no how,I give up.
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Of course it cant be done...... I should know. ;)
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You have to largely ignore whats been said by other cleaners to a point.
You can only work with what youve got in your area.
Its no good someone telling you to do 6 large houses a day to do £400 one man if your local market wont sustain it.
Theres no houses big enough in my city to have a round of those and even if there was theres no way i would get 50/60 quid a pop for them. My biggest house is £30!
Likewise its ok me saying do 40 houses 2 man but maybe you cant get work as compact as that.
Just do what you can with what youve got, prices DO vary massively from north to south
That's a good way to start a post.
So I did (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1578352952_grin[1].gif)
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Make them work longer hours and drop their hourly rate.
Boris Johnson'll sort that out for you.
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LEE I was being sarcastic to the comment above my previous one,I know it can be.
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errrr.......... so was I. Clearly I know it can be done.....................Ive done it!
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If Lee’s ten or so guy’s are roughly turning that over a day then fair play I hold my hands up & say I was wrong.
I just think your average window cleaner would struggle to turn that over day in day out. But that’s what puts Lee apart from most of us. And also probably why I’ve only got as far as one employee & two vans in total.
Think I need to think bigger!
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If you’ve the right work you can do better with 1 employee than you can with 2 or 3,again all depends on the work you have.
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If Lee’s ten or so guy’s are roughly turning that over a day then fair play I hold my hands up & say I was wrong.
I just think your average window cleaner would struggle to turn that over day in day out. But that’s what puts Lee apart from most of us. And also probably why I’ve only got as far as one employee & two vans in total.
Think I need to think bigger!
It does also depend very much on area. ( I know people on here will say it doesn’t)
But pryors average price wouldn’t cut it in my area. Definitely not for 10 vans worth anyway.
An expensive window cleaner is £10 for a three bed semi in my area. No way would a lot of people pay £15.
In other areas £15 for a 3 bed semi is probably average.
Window cleaning is definitely more profitable in different parts of the country. Especially on a large scale.
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If Lee’s ten or so guy’s are roughly turning that over a day then fair play I hold my hands up & say I was wrong.
I just think your average window cleaner would struggle to turn that over day in day out. But that’s what puts Lee apart from most of us. And also probably why I’ve only got as far as one employee & two vans in total.
Think I need to think bigger!
It does also depend very much on area. ( I know people on here will say it doesn’t)
But pryors average price wouldn’t cut it in my area. Definitely not for 10 vans worth anyway.
An expensive window cleaner is £10 for a three bed semi in my area. No way would a lot of people pay £15.
In other areas £15 for a 3 bed semi is probably average.
Window cleaning is definitely more profitable in different parts of the country. Especially on a large scale.
what's your area out of interest?
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12 vans
There are many things that make it possible. Price is just one of them.
My team are out the door at 6.30 am 5 days a week regardless of weather ect. I doubt many single cleaners do that.
Big 700L tanks each so you can work with high flow all day and not run out.
Jobs being routed in the best order.
Incentive and effort based pay structure with monthly bonuses, as well as a minimum amount of work done each month as part of employment contract.
Quite expensive live traffic update sat nav
Employing the right person in the first place is essential. Some find it easy some don't.
And of course the price of each job.
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If Lee’s ten or so guy’s are roughly turning that over a day then fair play I hold my hands up & say I was wrong.
I just think your average window cleaner would struggle to turn that over day in day out. But that’s what puts Lee apart from most of us. And also probably why I’ve only got as far as one employee & two vans in total.
Think I need to think bigger!
It does also depend very much on area. ( I know people on here will say it doesn’t)
But pryors average price wouldn’t cut it in my area. Definitely not for 10 vans worth anyway.
An expensive window cleaner is £10 for a three bed semi in my area. No way would a lot of people pay £15.
In other areas £15 for a 3 bed semi is probably average.
Window cleaning is definitely more profitable in different parts of the country. Especially on a large scale.
what's your area out of interest?
South lanarkshire, scotland........... I love where I live, but it’s not the easiest place to average £15 per property.
I definitely agree with Lee that there’s many ways that he has made his business more efficient and profitable. Price is just one factor..... but I’d also say it’s the most important.
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If Lee’s ten or so guy’s are roughly turning that over a day then fair play I hold my hands up & say I was wrong.
I just think your average window cleaner would struggle to turn that over day in day out. But that’s what puts Lee apart from most of us. And also probably why I’ve only got as far as one employee & two vans in total.
Think I need to think bigger!
It does also depend very much on area. ( I know people on here will say it doesn’t)
But pryors average price wouldn’t cut it in my area. Definitely not for 10 vans worth anyway.
An expensive window cleaner is £10 for a three bed semi in my area. No way would a lot of people pay £15.
In other areas £15 for a 3 bed semi is probably average.
Window cleaning is definitely more profitable in different parts of the country. Especially on a large scale.
what's your area out of interest?
South lanarkshire, scotland........... I love where I live, but it’s not the easiest place to average £15 per property.
I definitely agree with Lee that there’s many ways that he has made his business more efficient and profitable. Price is just one factor..... but I’d also say it’s the most important.
Jonny I would say when it come to nationwide averages your prices would be a lot closer than you would get on the CIU, HMRC tax returns would certainly back this up, when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even, its why when it comes to earnings on here I take most of what is said with a pinch of salt.
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If Lee’s ten or so guy’s are roughly turning that over a day then fair play I hold my hands up & say I was wrong.
I just think your average window cleaner would struggle to turn that over day in day out. But that’s what puts Lee apart from most of us. And also probably why I’ve only got as far as one employee & two vans in total.
Think I need to think bigger!
It does also depend very much on area. ( I know people on here will say it doesn’t)
But pryors average price wouldn’t cut it in my area. Definitely not for 10 vans worth anyway.
An expensive window cleaner is £10 for a three bed semi in my area. No way would a lot of people pay £15.
In other areas £15 for a 3 bed semi is probably average.
Window cleaning is definitely more profitable in different parts of the country. Especially on a large scale.
what's your area out of interest?
South lanarkshire, scotland........... I love where I live, but it’s not the easiest place to average £15 per property.
I definitely agree with Lee that there’s many ways that he has made his business more efficient and profitable. Price is just one factor..... but I’d also say it’s the most important.
Off course it is and next would be what you would need to pay to get a decent employee, domestic window cleaning prices in my area would be similar to yours but I would still have to pay £600 to £700 a week plus benefits to get an decent employee.
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when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even,
::)roll
when you number crunched Lees business plan!?!?!? ;D
:D :D :D
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LEE I was being sarcastic to the comment above my previous one,I know it can be.
you dont have a very good memory ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even,
::)roll
when you number crunched Lees business plan!?!?!? ;D
:D :D :D
I know its pure gold isnt it. We all have to remember that Dry clean knows everything about everybody elses business. Crunched the numbers ha! At no point did I ever say my team each did only £64k a year. In fact most do near to or over £7k a month. I have proved this a few times on youtube videos where I filmed our screens on cleaner planner.
Unlike Dry clean I can and often do back up/prove the things I say here and elsewhere. And unlike Dry clean I am one of the few people here that can give real answers or advice on threads like this. Because ive been there and done it which he hasn't and that's a fact not an opinion.
Its funny, we have a goal to be at 20 vans in 4/5 years turning £1.7 million. Im quite sure that when that happens Dry clean will still be here telling me its all wrong and it doesnt add up and we make no money. He used to wind me right up on here, but in the end I realised he actually has no first hand experience in the things he writes on these type of threads. Just a negative opinion based on nothing. He is a 10 reasons why not to do something kind of person. For the people that take a positive view it is very possible to do all these things regardless of where you are in the country.
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12 vans
There are many things that make it possible. Price is just one of them.
My team are out the door at 6.30 am 5 days a week regardless of weather ect. I doubt many single cleaners do that.
Big 700L tanks each so you can work with high flow all day and not run out.
Jobs being routed in the best order.
Incentive and effort based pay structure with monthly bonuses, as well as a minimum amount of work done each month as part of employment contract.
Quite expensive live traffic update sat nav
Employing the right person in the first place is essential. Some find it easy some don't.
And of course the price of each job.
Forget Boris Johnson; Pryor'll sort it.
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when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even,
::)roll
when you number crunched Lees business plan!?!?!? ;D
:D :D :D
Its not hard to work out a few expenses Richard, VAT wages and other costs, when it comes to earnings I would never accuse anybody of talking nonsense without doing this first.
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when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even,
::)roll
when you number crunched Lees business plan!?!?!? ;D
:D :D :D
I know its pure gold isnt it. We all have to remember that Dry clean knows everything about everybody elses business. Crunched the numbers ha! At no point did I ever say my team each did only £64k a year. In fact most do near to or over £7k a month. I have proved this a few times on youtube videos where I filmed our screens on cleaner planner.
Unlike Dry clean I can and often do back up/prove the things I say here and elsewhere. And unlike Dry clean I am one of the few people here that can give real answers or advice on threads like this. Because ive been there and done it which he hasn't and that's a fact not an opinion.
Its funny, we have a goal to be at 20 vans in 4/5 years turning £1.7 million. Im quite sure that when that happens Dry clean will still be here telling me its all wrong and it doesnt add up and we make no money. He used to wind me right up on here, but in the end I realised he actually has no first hand experience in the things he writes on these type of threads. Just a negative opinion based on nothing. He is a 10 reasons why not to do something kind of person. For the people that take a positive view it is very possible to do all these things regardless of where you are in the country.
You just have to look at this wibble, lets be honest here guys, if any of us where really doing very well would we give a toss if nobody on this forum believed it, hitting a raw nerve comes to mind.
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when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even,
::)roll
when you number crunched Lees business plan!?!?!? ;D
:D :D :D
Its not hard to work out a few expenses Richard, VAT wages and other costs, when it comes to earnings I would never accuse anybody of talking nonsense without doing this first.
it'd be better to spend time crunching numbers of your own business and work out how you can hit better profits yourself
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when I number crunched Lees business plan his employee yearly earning potential went from around £64k to £80k plus overnight simply because when all his costs where added up with the lower amount he was barely breaking even,
::)roll
when you number crunched Lees business plan!?!?!? ;D
:D :D :D
Its not hard to work out a few expenses Richard, VAT wages and other costs, when it comes to earnings I would never accuse anybody of talking nonsense without doing this first.
it'd be better to spend time crunching numbers of your own business and work out how you can hit better profits yourself
Crunching the numbers of others who look to be successful can also tell you if you are missing or doing something wrong, remember Lee has never been forced to give out his financial details on here, its not my fault if they're aren't as healthy as he would like others to think they are.
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12 vans
There are many things that make it possible. Price is just one of them.
My team are out the door at 6.30 am 5 days a week regardless of weather ect. I doubt many single cleaners do that.
Big 700L tanks each so you can work with high flow all day and not run out.
Jobs being routed in the best order.
Incentive and effort based pay structure with monthly bonuses, as well as a minimum amount of work done each month as part of employment contract.
Quite expensive live traffic update sat nav
Employing the right person in the first place is essential. Some find it easy some don't.
And of course the price of each job.
What hours do you employees work?
What's their daily minimum in money/turnover?
Does the sat nav have all customer addresses pre programmed in?
Thanks
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can you not employ on a commission basis like taxi companys do with employees. one man should be bringing around £200 + a day, where r u based
talk to them and let them know you are not happy with there takings on a daily basis, put them on part time, I in a van, they seem to be happy working to geather having a laugh etc, extended breaks etc.
start working with one of them, see what there routine is. see how much you bring in when you are working with them
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get a vehicle tracker... then you can start to manage them and see what happens when are not there. how long at an address, other breaks..