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Title: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 02, 2020, 06:16:53 pm
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How would you go about cleaning the algae off these painted walls and concrete fence posts?wfp wont shift it...

Thanks in advance guys.....
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Splash & dash on January 02, 2020, 06:25:27 pm
Didn’t think you did add on jobs 😂😂😂.
Wet it down with garden hose apply hypo mix 4-1 leave for up to 20-30 muinits re apply if needed light rub with wfp rinse job done (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1577989523_73B6A5A9-312C-46FA-BF60-76D5E42051EF.jpeg)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1577989520_6255BE39-01EB-4889-8254-38AF16417B6D.jpeg)
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 02, 2020, 06:26:55 pm
If its just algae and your doing it relatively soon (as in cant order any hypo in) and want it done cheap as chips. 
Have u a trolley?   Buy some thick bleach from the shop and empty into your tank trolley.  Fill trolley tank with water and apply. Leave for 20 mins and reapply if need to.   Rinse with water. Job done.
(Shop bought bleach has surfactant in it and is around 2.5 strength which is adequate for that level of algea shown)
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 02, 2020, 07:01:43 pm
its my girlfriends house.......im gonna clean it in the spring time......so will a bottle of bleach and water in a bucket do it?apply with a brush and leave for 20 mins then hot wfp it off?
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 02, 2020, 07:09:02 pm
its my girlfriends house.......im gonna clean it in the spring time......so will a bottle of bleach and water in a bucket do it?apply with a brush and leave for 20 mins then hot wfp it off?

Why waste hot water to rinse it off? Just use the outside tap n hose to rinse down afterwards, but yes, thats all that is needed.   
I have a patch down the side of my house which doesnt get much sun and I have to clean it down. 
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 02, 2020, 07:18:46 pm
its my girlfriends house.......im gonna clean it in the spring time......so will a bottle of bleach and water in a bucket do it?apply with a brush and leave for 20 mins then hot wfp it off?

Why waste hot water to rinse it off? Just use the outside tap n hose to rinse down afterwards, but yes, thats all that is needed.   
I have a patch down the side of my house which doesnt get much sun and I have to clean it down.

thanks nathan......👍
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on January 02, 2020, 07:28:52 pm
Where do you purchase this "hypo" from? Any links? Also, do you mix it 4 parts hypo or 4 parts water?😬
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 02, 2020, 07:42:28 pm
Where do you purchase this "hypo" from? Any links? Also, do you mix it 4 parts hypo or 4 parts water?😬
I use a Scottish company called bonnymans.co.uk and its Sodium Hypochlorite.   You can either buy it at 10 or 15 percent strength and it needs diluting for various jobs which you tackle.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 02, 2020, 07:54:15 pm
is it ok to use household bleach in my gardiners backpack?i only ever use it for chemical application these days(virosol).....this might be a better way of applying it......
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 02, 2020, 08:01:42 pm
is it ok to use household bleach in my gardiners backpack?i only ever use it for chemical application these days(virosol).....this might be a better way of applying it......

Yep, just rinse well after use
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Mike Halliday on January 02, 2020, 08:23:21 pm
The wall and the fence need treating with a quat ammonia  based chemical,  hypo  on the wall will spill all over the decking so you need to do that as well same goes for the fence,  hypo will mark the fence and the pathway.

It’s not a customer who wants to see instant result before they hand over the money it’s for your girlfriend. The best (but not quickest) solution  is quats, it will also have a residual effect it will stay clean for longer....  with hypo they moment your rinse if off it stops working.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Splash & dash on January 02, 2020, 08:26:02 pm
Where do you purchase this "hypo" from? Any links? Also, do you mix it 4 parts hypo or 4 parts water?😬



Who said 4 parts water 4 parts hypo ??? Think you have miss read the post , you can buy sodium hypochlorite from any farm shop or swimming pools supplier usually 10-15% strength just dilute it for the job you are doing .
A 4-1 mix would be 4 parts water to 1 part hypo
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Mike Halliday on January 02, 2020, 08:27:33 pm
As an example this is what quats do, this is my gate  that I sprayed one side with some spare quat I had in a spray bottle , this is a year later..... see how quats keep surfaces clean. If you want to do the best job possible for your girlfriend use a quat based cleaner

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1577996772_52537FB6-F117-43E4-9B01-72567B59C544.jpeg)
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Splash & dash on January 02, 2020, 08:33:57 pm
The wall and the fence need treating with a quat ammonia  based chemical,  hypo  on the wall will spill all over the decking so you need to do that as well same goes for the fence,  hypo will mark the fence and the pathway.

It’s not a customer who wants to see instant result before they hand over the money it’s for your girlfriend. The best (but not quickest) solution  is quats, it will also have a residual effect it will stay clean for longer....  with hypo they moment your rinse if off it stops working.



Sorry to disagree with you mike but I have done extensive testing of of biocides and hypo results in my own properties, the results of biocides gave no residual preventative re growth at all within 3 months the path was as green as ever from algi , the hypo area stays clean for around 8-10 months , I have conducted theses tests over a number of years using different brands and different strength mixes of bio and all the results have turned out the same . A weak hypo mix on the pictures provided will give instant clean and take about an hour to do if you dint want the fence or decking affected just spray with water whilst applying the hypo mix and there will be no problem at all , we have been doing cleaning this way for over 15 years with great success, but I would clean the fence and decking at the same time as it will clean the whole area up nice for the spring rather than having  some bits clean and others dirty



Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Mike Halliday on January 02, 2020, 08:39:12 pm
We’ll have to agree to disagree on this ;) ;)

I also test everything I use, when ever I do a job if I have any left I alway use it up on something at my home (hence my gate photo)



Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 02, 2020, 09:42:39 pm
The wall and the fence need treating with a quat ammonia  based chemical,  hypo  on the wall will spill all over the decking so you need to do that as well same goes for the fence,  hypo will mark the fence and the pathway.

It’s not a customer who wants to see instant result before they hand over the money it’s for your girlfriend. The best (but not quickest) solution  is quats, it will also have a residual effect it will stay clean for longer....  with hypo they moment your rinse if off it stops working.



Sorry to disagree with you mike but I have done extensive testing of of biocides and hypo results in my own properties, the results of biocides gave no residual preventative re growth at all within 3 months the path was as green as ever from algi , the hypo area stays clean for around 8-10 months , I have conducted theses tests over a number of years using different brands and different strength mixes of bio and all the results have turned out the same . A weak hypo mix on the pictures provided will give instant clean and take about an hour to do if you dint want the fence or decking affected just spray with water whilst applying the hypo mix and there will be no problem at all , we have been doing cleaning this way for over 15 years with great success, but I would clean the fence and decking at the same time as it will clean the whole area up nice for the spring rather than having  some bits clean and others dirty

Yeah this is what I'll do mate.....I'll clean the whole area over a long weekend in spring,decking/fences/concrete posts and brick walls.....👍.......I've got a jet wash for the decking.......
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on January 02, 2020, 10:41:34 pm
Where do you purchase this "hypo" from? Any links? Also, do you mix it 4 parts hypo or 4 parts water?😬



Who said 4 parts water 4 parts hypo ??? Think you have miss read the post , you can buy sodium hypochlorite from any farm shop or swimming pools supplier usually 10-15% strength just dilute it for the job you are doing .
A 4-1 mix would be 4 parts water to 1 part hypo

Me, I asked which was the 4 part- the hypo or the water. You stated a 4 to 1 mix but not which was which. Having never used this stuff before, I thought it reasonable, maybe even as far as sensible to confirm which part was which by the experienced user. It wasn't misread.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Splash & dash on January 02, 2020, 10:59:53 pm
Where do you purchase this "hypo" from? Any links? Also, do you mix it 4 parts hypo or 4 parts water?😬



Ok sorry for the confusion but generally with any dilution rates the lower number will be the
Product and the higher number will be the diluent

Who said 4 parts water 4 parts hypo ??? Think you have miss read the post , you can buy sodium hypochlorite from any farm shop or swimming pools supplier usually 10-15% strength just dilute it for the job you are doing .
A 4-1 mix would be 4 parts water to 1 part hypo

Me, I asked which was the 4 part- the hypo or the water. You stated a 4 to 1 mix but not which was which. Having never used this stuff before, I thought it reasonable, maybe even as far as sensible to confirm which part was which by the experienced user. It wasn't misread.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Richard Groves on January 03, 2020, 08:10:28 am
its my girlfriends house.......im gonna clean it in the spring time......so will a bottle of bleach and water in a bucket do it?apply with a brush and leave for 20 mins then hot wfp it off?
why don't you do a test patch ?.... It won't take you much longer than taking a photo and posting it on here. You could just try a small area with household bleach as Nathan suggests or anything you have to hand. I think it was Chris Turner who's posted in past about getting good results from nothing more than bio washing powder.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Granny on January 04, 2020, 12:07:29 pm
As an example this is what quats do, this is my gate  that I sprayed one side with some spare quat I had in a spray bottle , this is a year later..... see how quats keep surfaces clean. If you want to do the best job possible for your girlfriend use a quat based cleaner

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1577996772_52537FB6-F117-43E4-9B01-72567B59C544.jpeg)
Why did you fix your gate on upside down? ;D
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 04, 2020, 12:47:17 pm
its my girlfriends house.......im gonna clean it in the spring time......so will a bottle of bleach and water in a bucket do it?apply with a brush and leave for 20 mins then hot wfp it off?
why don't you do a test patch ?.... It won't take you much longer than taking a photo and posting it on here. You could just try a small area with household bleach as Nathan suggests or anything you have to hand. I think it was Chris Turner who's posted in past about getting good results from nothing more than bio washing powder.

it wasnt chris turner who recommended bio washing powder it was marc stock(cleaniac) and that was cleaning plastics NOT concrete or brick walls........i will do a test patch though but it wont be for a few months yet........ :)
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 04, 2020, 01:43:36 pm
If its just cleaning the algae off, then as said all you need to do is wet it and then spray on the shop bought bleach as mentioned. 
Looking at the pic, the run off will go on pebbles and im taking it, that the decking is not flush against the wall, so shouldnt fall on the decking.

However, if your doing a spring clean of the decking and slabs as well, then invest in hypo. So jet the slabs first and then apply at 5% to the slabs .  The decking, im taking it your using an electric pressure washer, so use a 45degreee / 25 tip  to strip the decking from a height.  Leave to dry and then treat / paint. 

Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 04, 2020, 01:45:43 pm
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Couldnt find a before pic, but i treated the fence and the posts with bleach as mentioned and stripped the decking.  Then treated afterwards.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: simon w on January 04, 2020, 01:47:21 pm
Hypo is cheap to buy easy enough to source and use and from those photos do a decent job of cleaning. As its your girlfriends place why not have a play around with using hypo and perhaps it could then even become a good lucrative add on to your cleaning services.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 04, 2020, 02:43:09 pm
Hypo is cheap to buy easy enough to source and use and from those photos do a decent job of cleaning. As its your girlfriends place why not have a play around with using hypo and perhaps it could then even become a good lucrative add on to your cleaning services.

im not planning on adding softwashing to my list of add on jobs...i hate the smell of bleach and tbh id rather stick to regular window cleaning without the use of any chemicals.....

is hypo just sodium hypochlorite anyway?(bleach)...id rather use as little as possible to get the desired result.....
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Elfyn on January 04, 2020, 02:54:43 pm
Here's an alternative method. Go to your nearest decorating centre and get some ICI (or Weathershield) mould and mildew cleaner. Apply with a roller and a small sprayer for the fidly bits. Give it about 2 to 3 weeks to work and then spray on a god biocide to help keep it clean (I use Algex from Restormate). Give it a second application of Algex in about a month and each spring after that.
It will keep things looking tip top for years to come.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Slacky on January 04, 2020, 03:08:10 pm
Hypo is cheap to buy easy enough to source and use and from those photos do a decent job of cleaning. As its your girlfriends place why not have a play around with using hypo and perhaps it could then even become a good lucrative add on to your cleaning services.

im not planning on adding softwashing to my list of add on jobs...i hate the smell of bleach and tbh id rather stick to regular window cleaning without the use of any chemicals.....

is hypo just sodium hypochlorite anyway?(bleach)...id rather use as little as possible to get the desired result.....

You dont have a list of addons.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Slacky on January 04, 2020, 03:08:38 pm
Daz, use biocide. Lot longer lasting.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 04, 2020, 03:42:17 pm
It really depends on how much you want to spend and do.  At the end of the day, if your wanting to blast everything with a pressure washer, you cn remove the fence panels and just clean the concrete with it. It will come straight off! 
If its an electric one, you aint going to shift the lichens from the slabs and thats where the hypo or bio comes in!   
If hypo for a one of job, you can get a cheap mask from screwfix and also add a scent to your mix which will mask the bleach smell. 
Or jet wash n apply the bio and wait for the results, the choice is yours.

Daz, these make great add ons to your services and provide a needed break from the boredom of cleaning glass every day, even if it is just once in a blue moon. Its well worth adding
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: Slacky on January 04, 2020, 04:34:47 pm
Let him do this job for his other half. In 6 months he’ll be saying pressure washing is the best thing since ladders were invented.
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 05, 2020, 12:00:19 pm
It really depends on how much you want to spend and do.  At the end of the day, if your wanting to blast everything with a pressure washer, you cn remove the fence panels and just clean the concrete with it. It will come straight off! 
If its an electric one, you aint going to shift the lichens from the slabs and thats where the hypo or bio comes in!   
If hypo for a one of job, you can get a cheap mask from screwfix and also add a scent to your mix which will mask the bleach smell. 
Or jet wash n apply the bio and wait for the results, the choice is yours.

Daz, these make great add ons to your services and provide a needed break from the boredom of cleaning glass every day, even if it is just once in a blue moon. Its well worth adding

I've tried pressure washing before and it DOES NOT remove the green algae from the brick wall,however it's great on decking....

I dont need a break from window cleaning mate......nice,easy,short regular window cleaning is all I want to do these days.....with the odd conny roof or fascia clean,solar panel job thrown in here and there.....👍
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: robbo333 on January 05, 2020, 02:07:12 pm
If it were me I would:
Find your local swimming pool supplier or farm shop and buy some Sodium Hypochlorite - 10L is about £12
Screwfix do a pressure sprayer 5L for £8.99
Rubber Gloves are a must and wear old clothes.

Mix 1 part Hypo to 4 parts water.
Do a test patch: spray a bit on the wall and leave it for 20 mins.
You'll soon see the results. Just rinse it off with a garden hose.

Personally, I would hypo the wall, concrete posts and gravel boards. The fence looks ok and the decking I would give a light pressure wash.

You'll also notice how it affects the block paving so I think you'll end up doing that too.

Massive brownie points  ;D
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: robbo333 on January 05, 2020, 02:17:56 pm
There is something strangely satisfying about softwashing....


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Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: nathankaye on January 05, 2020, 06:47:10 pm
It really depends on how much you want to spend and do.  At the end of the day, if your wanting to blast everything with a pressure washer, you cn remove the fence panels and just clean the concrete with it. It will come straight off! 
If its an electric one, you aint going to shift the lichens from the slabs and thats where the hypo or bio comes in!   
If hypo for a one of job, you can get a cheap mask from screwfix and also add a scent to your mix which will mask the bleach smell. 
Or jet wash n apply the bio and wait for the results, the choice is yours.

Daz, these make great add ons to your services and provide a needed break from the boredom of cleaning glass every day, even if it is just once in a blue moon. Its well worth adding

I've tried pressure washing before and it DOES NOT remove the green algae from the brick wall,however it's great on decking....

I dont need a break from window cleaning mate......nice,easy,short regular window cleaning is all I want to do these days.....with the odd conny roof or fascia clean,solar panel job thrown in here and there.....👍

Your in your 40's arent you daz?  Yet you speak like an old codger wanting to take it easy 😂
Title: Re: Softwashing help......
Post by: dazmond on January 05, 2020, 11:03:49 pm
It really depends on how much you want to spend and do.  At the end of the day, if your wanting to blast everything with a pressure washer, you cn remove the fence panels and just clean the concrete with it. It will come straight off! 
If its an electric one, you aint going to shift the lichens from the slabs and thats where the hypo or bio comes in!   
If hypo for a one of job, you can get a cheap mask from screwfix and also add a scent to your mix which will mask the bleach smell. 
Or jet wash n apply the bio and wait for the results, the choice is yours.

Daz, these make great add ons to your services and provide a needed break from the boredom of cleaning glass every day, even if it is just once in a blue moon. Its well worth adding

I've tried pressure washing before and it DOES NOT remove the green algae from the brick wall,however it's great on decking....

I dont need a break from window cleaning mate......nice,easy,short regular window cleaning is all I want to do these days.....with the odd conny roof or fascia clean,solar panel job thrown in here and there.....👍

Your in your 40's arent you daz?  Yet you speak like an old codger wanting to take it easy 😂

ive been doing this job a lot longer than you mate....im 48 now.....plus i want to make time for weight training and playing drums....its just a part time job these days nothing more....... ;D