Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: DeLuce on November 28, 2019, 04:30:43 pm
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Personally, I tried Vision and then I had some GG3 left over so put a few cc in my tank with which to experiment.
I didn't find a downside,personally. But I didn't see any major difference apart from maybe, a bit more of a shine on the glass.
I don't use any additives now.
But out of interest, do any of you continue to use additives in your water? Why so?What are they?
I'm not asking so that I can bad mouth it. I'm just interested.
I know what Sean thinks lol :D
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Stopped using Vision about 18 months- 2 years ago,it still comes out the brush on a daily basis the whole tank is coated in it if you take the lid off you can smell it like it was put in that morning.
When the water gets lower towards the bottom of the tank it bubbles more than when full,I’m actually going to get a 2 foot pole from the pets shop that sells fish they do a pole with a sponge on the end I’m going to try giving it a clean.
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Wow, I didn't realise it coated the tank to such an extent!!
I've got a bigger tank since using Vision so haven't had that problem.
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When you stop using it you’ll see it clings to everything
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I played around with Gg4 and tried Vision, both had similar results, basically bubbles and slightly better sheeting. The Vision turned into a gloopy mess in the bottle so never used it again. Just pure water now.
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Ermmm No and dont see need to.
I use gg4 when im trad cleaning though
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I have ben using added sparkle for about 6 months …
I thought that initialy when I tried it, that it would be snake oil.
however, I find it is better for getting off bird poo, and snail trails.
I am a big fan of it, and will continue to use it
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I have used added sparkle not got any left but would buy again.
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Yeah I found it to have some benefits when I used it too tbh,I tried it with cold and I would say it certainly did help with cold water for bird poo etc.
I use hot water so any benefit I did get with cold and an additive I get with hot alone so I knocked it on the head in the end,the thing I did find with it though is no matter how small the amount is that you use it accumulates over time,it completely cloked up a pump when I took off the side fittings and looked inside because the flow was compromised it was full of bubbles and white gunk,that was enough for me then.
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I tried two versions of Vision due to the reported experiences of fellow windies. Better sheeting, more sparkle on the windows, whiter UPVC etc.
I didn't get problems with it clogging my system as I use a trolley and 25L barrels and I always got excellent mixing as I put it in each barrel before I filled them.
However, I just didn't get the results everyone else said they were getting. I don't know why, but pretty much all I experienced were a few bubbles and a pleasant smell which like another poster said stuck around ages after I stopped using it. It did not make the UPVC frames any whiter or make any appreciable difference to my cleaning, either of the windows or the frames.
I get the idea of trying to make a good thing even better but so far I've found it hard to beat Pure water, a good brush and a good flow rate. I'm currently loving the Xtreme flocked sill brush from Gardiners. It's been great on snail trails.
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
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The trouble with it is that it doesn’t completely go or dissolve from the tank,like i day mine is still having an effect well over a year later.
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
Interesting. But what do you use Jonny?
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
Interesting. But what do you use Jonny?
Basically vision.
I used to be involved in the company (haven’t been for a good few years now) and helped set it up, so now I use a version that is custom to my needs and works best with hot water.
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
Interesting. But what do you use Jonny?
Basically vision.
I used to be involved in the company (haven’t been for a good few years now) and helped set it up, so now I use a version that is custom to my needs and works best with hot water.
Jonny needs both hot water and a snake oil to get the same results that I can get with cold which is quick cleaning and no complaints from customers, that said as he hasn't started to use parts per billion water yet then he's far from the worse when it comes to faffing.
Some people can ride a bike without stabilisers and some cant, its as simple as that.
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Ermmm No and dont see need to.
I use gg4 when im trad cleaning though
To be fair I'm not a great fan of gg4 even for trad cleaning, I tend to get a lot of squeegee judder when using it.
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
Interesting. But what do you use Jonny?
Basically vision.
I used to be involved in the company (haven’t been for a good few years now) and helped set it up, so now I use a version that is custom to my needs and works best with hot water.
Jonny needs both hot water and a snake oil to get the same results that I can get with cold which is quick cleaning and no complaints from customers, that said as he hasn't started to use parts per billion water yet then he's far from the worse when it comes to faffing.
Some people can ride a bike without stabilisers and some cant, its as simple as that.
You will never get as good a result with cold over hot you know that,I’ve done jobs this week that would have never come up anywhere near as good with cold. Spiders webs all over the frames etc the Vision does shift bird poo and does dry off quicker
on the glass.
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I’m happy with my pure hot water myself but I’m very interested to know what’s in these additives, is there anywhere you can see what chems etc they have in them?
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Enigma it’s called the new one
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
Interesting. But what do you use Jonny?
Basically vision.
I used to be involved in the company (haven’t been for a good few years now) and helped set it up, so now I use a version that is custom to my needs and works best with hot water.
Jonny needs both hot water and a snake oil to get the same results that I can get with cold which is quick cleaning and no complaints from customers, that said as he hasn't started to use parts per billion water yet then he's far from the worse when it comes to faffing.
Some people can ride a bike without stabilisers and some cant, its as simple as that.
You will never get as good a result with cold over hot you know that,I’ve done jobs this week that would have never come up anywhere near as good with cold. Spiders webs all over the frames etc the Vision does shift bird poo and does dry off quicker
on the glass.
Don't talk nonsense, fact is I have never lost a single customer because of a poor clean and neither did Dazmond, you or anybody else who used cold for years, the only thing it could do is make the clean quicker, I don't know about you but the only way I could spend less time on the glass is to miss parts of it.
Like I have always said if you're overcleaning and an additive or hot gives you the confidence to go a little quicker then it may be money well spent but don't be under the illusion that we all need it.
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Additives all day every day for me.
Have done since 2012.
Interesting. But what do you use Jonny?
Basically vision.
I used to be involved in the company (haven’t been for a good few years now) and helped set it up, so now I use a version that is custom to my needs and works best with hot water.
Jonny needs both hot water and a snake oil to get the same results that I can get with cold which is quick cleaning and no complaints from customers, that said as he hasn't started to use parts per billion water yet then he's far from the worse when it comes to faffing.
Some people can ride a bike without stabilisers and some cant, its as simple as that.
You will never get as good a result with cold over hot you know that,I’ve done jobs this week that would have never come up anywhere near as good with cold. Spiders webs all over the frames etc the Vision does shift bird poo and does dry off quicker
on the glass.
there you go, you have to spoil yourself and talk total b@ll@cks yet again.....
Darran
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hand bags down guys
jeez
additives help a little . they aren't a miracle lol.
all I can say on this , and I know you wont all understand .
my daughter works for me … there are times when she is rinsing and rinsing and im like …. what on earth is she doing ?
since we use added sparkle she has more confidence .
women are more fussy than men
customers love a woman cleaning and trust them more .
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hand bags down guys
jeez
additives help a little . they aren't a miracle lol.
all I can say on this , and I know you wont all understand .
my daughter works for me … there are times when she is rinsing and rinsing and im like …. what on earth is she doing ?
since we use added sparkle she has more confidence .
women are more fussy than men
customers love a woman cleaning and trust them more .
Off course we understand, when I first stated out Id waste loads of time and water on a property because I didn't have enough confidence in the method, l suspect if snake oils had been about back then I would have fallen for them as well.
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I thought this topic may have brought you out of the dark depths seank/Dry clean. Nice to have you with us again.
;D
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I thought this topic may have brought you out of the dark depths seank/Dry clean. Nice to have you with us again.
;D
Have I been away ?
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Hot is the best I’ve used both I never turn my heater off only down,pikeys use cold.
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I thought this topic may have brought you out of the dark depths seank/Dry clean. Nice to have you with us again.
;D
Have I been away ?
Yep.
You’ve kept your arguing away from The cleaning section and you’ve just been arguing about politics in the “non cleaning related section”.
;D
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and has dry clean ever tried snake oil ?
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I thought this topic may have brought you out of the dark depths seank/Dry clean. Nice to have you with us again.
;D
Have I been away ?
Yep.
You’ve kept your arguing away from The cleaning section and you’ve just been arguing about politics in the “non cleaning related section”.
;D
Nonsense, the mad section is where some members go for a bit of banter, its just harmless wibble, the only reason Iv posted less on the cleaning section is because its been quiet and mostly sensible, there are two things that will never change on here Jonny, when a snake oil post starts you will plug it (even though I suspect you no longer use it which is why you have turned to hot) and I will explain why you're talking rubbish.
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and has dry clean ever tried snake oil ?
Iv tried snakes oils, hot water and worse, like most in this game a long time I have a garage full of crap that I was foolish enough to fall for.
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Yeah that 9kw heater I bought is crap it melts off green algae on weatherboard like it’s going out of fashion complete crap,I mean who’d want 60-70 degree water on jobs like that eh
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I think it’s good to experiment with these kind of things though. Regardless of the flack that sometimes comes with trying different methods. After all, we use a system , wfp, that probably took some time and effort to get credibility at the start. But it was refined over time and works well , so we don’t need to pop up and down the ladders every day. We work safer.
I mean, when doctors started treating patients with poison to treat cancer (leukaemia) for the first time, they thought they were bonkers. It didn’t work at the beginning, but over time, with knowledge, it became more targeted and refined. Now it’s a leading way of treating cancer successfully in some cases.
On our more mundane topic of window cleaning, maybe additives will be found that will make our cleaning more thorough on upvc full of fly crap for example.
But these advances come built on products that started off that process of thinking.
Just saying!! ;D
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Wow, I didn't realise it coated the tank to such an extent!!
I've got a bigger tank since using Vision so haven't had that problem.
Do you mean to say that Vision has made your tank expand?
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He means it’s not a problem as the tank he has now is bigger,probably meaning it seems to have dissolved it more.
Mine hasn’t though it’s clung to the sides and everything it touched,I still get bubbles like the brush has had a weak fairy liquid on it,it does this when the water level drops in the tank.
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Wow, I didn't realise it coated the tank to such an extent!!
I've got a bigger tank since using Vision so haven't had that problem.
Do you mean to say that Vision has made your tank expand?
Hehe, nah, I bought a bigger van and then a bigger tank to fit in it.
From 500 ltr to 650. :D
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Why not have a small tank with your mixed additive in, and just switch from your main tank ? ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
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IT STICKS TO EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES
1 tank 2 tanks 3 tanks
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IT STICKS TO EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES
1 tank 2 tanks 3 tanks
Mix a small amount of it in a glass of pure and throw it onto a window, the reason why it doesn't do the same when added to your tank water is it never gets to the glass, using such small amounts would mean it could take a fair bit of time before would notice a build up of gunk on your tanks pumps and so on.
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Lol god loves a trier as they say,yes it does get to the window if it didn’t get to the window it wouldn’t produce bubbles.
It won’t work so well if you use cold water and live in a caravan,it only sticks to everything if you’ve got a top of the range 9 kw heater.
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I think it’s good to experiment with these kind of things though. Regardless of the flack that sometimes comes with trying different methods. After all, we use a system , wfp, that probably took some time and effort to get credibility at the start. But it was refined over time and works well , so we don’t need to pop up and down the ladders every day. We work safer.
I mean, when doctors started treating patients with poison to treat cancer (leukaemia) for the first time, they thought they were bonkers. It didn’t work at the beginning, but over time, with knowledge, it became more targeted and refined. Now it’s a leading way of treating cancer successfully in some cases.
On our more mundane topic of window cleaning, maybe additives will be found that will make our cleaning more thorough on upvc full of fly crap for example.
But these advances come built on products that started off that process of thinking.
Just saying!! ;D
You talk as if there where no cleaning products before these snake oils came onto the market, there's a reason why when somebody comes on here in need of advice for a genuinely hard clean they never even come close to being recommended, there are real products out there to help with all sorts of cleaning problems which do work and get recommended by people with experience.
When I started out there where people who said cleaning windows with water on its own wouldn't work, seeing a clean window soon shut them up, since then we have had people like Alex Gardiner bringing out lighter poles and brushes which have made the job easier and quicker but there's yet to be a genuine product that can make a window cleaner than clean because its not needed.
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Lol god loves a trier as they say,yes it does get to the window if it didn’t get to the window it wouldn’t produce bubbles.
It won’t work so well if you use cold water and live in a caravan,it only sticks to everything if you’ve got a top of the range 9 kw heater.
I think most on here realise that you haven't a clue NWH this just proves it further, if its getting to the glass then there wont be any left to stick to anything, so does it only get to the glass when using cold ?
Plus if you want bubbles all you need is a well worn faulty pump or for it to be coated in something that makes it act like a well worn faulty pump, a real cleaning solution would give you suds and last thing you want is for soap suds to be left on the glass.
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Hot water is rubbish I’ll stick to pikey cold from now on,it’s minus 2-3 here tomorrow I was a fool getting hot water.
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I think it’s good to experiment with these kind of things though. Regardless of the flack that sometimes comes with trying different methods. After all, we use a system , wfp, that probably took some time and effort to get credibility at the start. But it was refined over time and works well , so we don’t need to pop up and down the ladders every day. We work safer.
I mean, when doctors started treating patients with poison to treat cancer (leukaemia) for the first time, they thought they were bonkers. It didn’t work at the beginning, but over time, with knowledge, it became more targeted and refined. Now it’s a leading way of treating cancer successfully in some cases.
On our more mundane topic of window cleaning, maybe additives will be found that will make our cleaning more thorough on upvc full of fly crap for example.
But these advances come built on products that started off that process of thinking.
Just saying!! ;D
You talk as if there where no cleaning products before these snake oils came onto the market, there's a reason why when somebody comes on here in need of advice for a genuinely hard clean they never even come close to being recommended, there are real products out there to help with all sorts of cleaning problems which do work and get recommended by people with experience.
When I started out there where people who said cleaning windows with water on its own wouldn't work, seeing a clean window soon shut them up, since then we have had people like Alex Gardiner bringing out lighter poles and brushes which have made the job easier and quicker but there's yet to be a genuine product that can make a window cleaner than clean because its not needed.
Not really mate. I’m talking about additives , to the pure. Not products used as additions to your job.
I get your point about additives.
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The main thing Vision or similar does is help with water left on the glass when you’ve cleaned a window with it,it’s noticeably different after a couple of cleans.
The brush slides easier over the window and the brush stays cleaner,all these things are true I used it for long enough to see it did have some benefits,the problem I had was with my pump although I think over time I did definitely use to much,some days I had half a tank left yet still added another dose
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Hi
Been a long time on here . ,Vision isn’t for everyone but has certainly helped a lot . AFTER 5 years of being launched its doing well and maintained a market .
It has helped many wfp users and the aim was to help and make money , obviously .
It’s good that the Wfp industry is innovating new products to help the user .
Univalves , slicks , new pole designs , additives , TFR’s and new systems , it all helps ..
It’s certainly a improving industry .....
Have a good xmas .....
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I love vision. It helps with cleaning results and helps with glide, i think it helps with sheeting also.
I love the bubbles, perhaps its a mind thing but i love to see that bubbly soapy water going on the glass, kinda gives me a sense that im cleaning every inch of the glass.
I use a hot system with xline rinsebar and that really helps it bubble up nicely especially with my controller ramped up to a high setting for pressure and also flow rate.
As far as the tank is concerned it actually keeps my tank clean and green free.
Just give your filter a clean more often than just using pure as it does clog a bit quicker with vision.
All in all a good cheap product that lasts for ages.
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I cant understand why window cleaning is starting to get over complicated at the end of the day its only muck on glass the customer dose not care how we get the crud of as long as it is off having said that ive a w f p system.lol
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I cant understand why window cleaning is starting to get over complicated at the end of the day its only muck on glass the customer dose not care how we get the crud of as long as it is off having said that ive a w f p system.lol
Gardiners and a few others have cornered the equipment market so all thats left for anybody trying to get in on the action are snake oils and nonsense, the truth is as long as there are gullible people there will be those who will take advantage of them, I do it when I sell my used poles on fleebay for new pole prices.
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I use added sparkle,
I have to say it cuts through bird muck and makes cleaning much easier.
I am now waiting for dry clean to engage in some ridicule .
however, I think that after 28 years in this business, I have enough experience to comment.
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placebo effect
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I cant understand why window cleaning is starting to get over complicated at the end of the day its only muck on glass the customer dose not care how we get the crud of as long as it is off having said that ive a w f p system.lol
Gardiners and a few others have cornered the equipment market so all thats left for anybody trying to get in on the action are snake oils and nonsense, the truth is as long as there are gullible people there will be those who will take advantage of them, I do it when I sell my used poles on fleebay for new pole prices.
Complete nonsense Hot Water I mean I came in from the pouring rain last night and had a cold bath,it was lovely so relaxing no different to hot lol.
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I cant understand why window cleaning is starting to get over complicated at the end of the day its only muck on glass the customer dose not care how we get the crud of as long as it is off having said that ive a w f p system.lol
Gardiners and a few others have cornered the equipment market so all thats left for anybody trying to get in on the action are snake oils and nonsense, the truth is as long as there are gullible people there will be those who will take advantage of them, I do it when I sell my used poles on fleebay for new pole prices.
Complete nonsense Hot Water I mean I came in from the pouring rain last night and had a cold bath,it was lovely so relaxing no different to hot lol.
It might feel lovely, but you’d still get just as clean with a hot or cold bath (dirt wise, I’m not talking about germs and stuff)
I don’t care how the window feels or if my hot/cold water puts a smile on its face, as long as it’s clean when we’ve finished.
You do come out with daft arguments sometimes mate, you don’t help yourself.
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I use added sparkle,
I have to say it cuts through bird muck and makes cleaning much easier.
I am now waiting for dry clean to engage in some ridicule .
however, I think that after 28 years in this business, I have enough experience to comment.
You could have 100 years experience and still not know what you're doing, fact is you're not adding enough of anything to the water to make any difference to anything, for somebody in the business as long you not to realise this makes me think you either don't know what you're doing or are giving a false review.
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placebo effect
It seems to build up at the pump and cause it to splutter and put bubbles in the water similar to what you would get with a faulty pump with an air leak, this leads some who are wet behind the ears to think they're getting soap suds on the glass when they are not, so yes its a placebo effect.
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placebo effect
It seems to build up at the pump and cause it to splutter and put bubbles in the water similar to what you would get with a faulty pump with an air leak, this leads some who are wet behind the ears to think they're getting soap suds on the glass when they are not, so yes its a placebo effect.
Are they wet behind the ears with added vision or not?
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I use added sparkle,
I have to say it cuts through bird muck and makes cleaning much easier.
I am now waiting for dry clean to engage in some ridicule .
however, I think that after 28 years in this business, I have enough experience to comment.
You could have 100 years experience and still not know what you're doing, fact is you're not adding enough of anything to the water to make any difference to anything, for somebody in the business as long you not to realise this makes me think you either don't know what you're doing or are giving a false review.
ok. I havn't got a clue then.
its pointless giving a review on it because im just telling porkies.
pointless carrying on a discussion or giving a review when someone just can not accept any other view .
even though , they have not tried it themselves.
on the other parallel discussion on hot and cold . common sense tells you that hot is best.
if I thought I could benefit financialy, I would , and may be will in the future.
at least NWH has tried both additives and hot .
he sid that additives help, but he just didn't like the build up of gunk.
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Don’t listen it does give better glide it does shift bird poop easier as you say it cloked my pump but I used to much on a daily basis,if I was cold only if use it daily but I’d make sure I used the correct amount.
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If Dry clean was as experienced as he says-thinks he is he’d have a hot system,he’s probably oiling himself up as we speak reading over some old posts.
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I use added sparkle,
I have to say it cuts through bird muck and makes cleaning much easier.
I am now waiting for dry clean to engage in some ridicule .
however, I think that after 28 years in this business, I have enough experience to comment.
You could have 100 years experience and still not know what you're doing, fact is you're not adding enough of anything to the water to make any difference to anything, for somebody in the business as long you not to realise this makes me think you either don't know what you're doing or are giving a false review.
ok. I havn't got a clue then.
its pointless giving a review on it because im just telling porkies.
pointless carrying on a discussion or giving a review when someone just can not accept any other view .
even though , they have not tried it themselves.
on the other parallel discussion on hot and cold . common sense tells you that hot is best.
if I thought I could benefit financialy, I would , and may be will in the future.
at least NWH has tried both additives and hot .
he sid that additives help, but he just didn't like the build up of gunk.
No science will tell you that hot water can in certain circumstances clean quicker not better, but common sense and experience will tell you if its needed or not to remove what we get on the glass quicker, similar science and experience will also tell us that adding very low levels of soap to water will have little to no effect because the mix is just too weak, so yes you haven't a clue
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sean, I've been reading your posts for years and, your very opinionated about many things, I think these topics kinda scare you so you go on the defence, mate come out of your very small comfort zone and get into the real world, people use additives, yes they get on with them some do and some don't its no big problem and its not the end of the world yet you, seem to have a mission where you feel the need to dismiss anything that is that is unknown to you, its either hot or cold additives or not, what next are you going to argue about?.
ty sad life- maybe on your own
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Complete nonsense and that last reply confirms you are either on the wind up or you are just guessing at what you are talking about,you think cold water cleans and had the same effect on dirty windows as hot water and you are now saying that detergent has little to no effect on helping to clean anything.
If I had to guess I’d say you clean from an old banger with a fibreglass pole and a few barrels.
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sean, I've been reading your posts for years and, your very opinionated about many things, I think these topics kinda scare you so you go on the defence, mate come out of your very small comfort zone and get into the real world, people use additives, yes they get on with them some do and some don't its no big problem and its not the end of the world yet you, seem to have a mission where you feel the need to dismiss anything that is that is unknown to you, its either hot or cold additives or not, what next are you going to argue about?.
ty sad life- maybe on your own
Kevin I just like winding up stupid people, some like making money from them, I cant argue that it isn't sad but such is life, as for the next thing to argue about, PPB purity would be a good one, if somebody wants to tell us how much better it is than ppm I would be glad to point out why they're also talking rubbish.
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You can’t wind me up anymore Dryclean I’m off to Vegas tomorrow it’s not hot there at the moment it’s cold,I might see you there then lol.
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You can’t wind me up anymore Dryclean I’m off to Vegas tomorrow it’s not hot there at the moment it’s cold,I might see you there then lol.
Have a good holiday NWH.
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Will do m8
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so endeth the story.
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Yeah Happy New year