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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on October 31, 2019, 04:02:59 pm
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Bristol is on about a total ban. If this catches on in other cities it might make our job a bit awkward.
............ and Dazmonds Golf worthless.
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It won't happen. Bristol is useless. No underground no trams can't even open an existing railway line to Portishead ten years after saying they would.
Even the half-assed Metro bus came in over budget and over a year late.
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It won't happen as shops need deliveries
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center of bath as well dave
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Bristol is on about a total ban. If this catches on in other cities it might make our job a bit awkward.
............ and Dazmonds Golf worthless.
the irony is my golf GTD is far less polluting than most older diesels and petrol vehicles on the road.....virtually zero emissions out of the exhaust due to the DPF.......
most newer diesel vehicles are very clean in comparison.....
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But the new plug-in hybrid transit custom has an incredible range of ... 35 miles!
Not to mention it's a real bargain at £39k
Now with such highly practical vans like this available who needs old fashioned diesel.
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Bristol is on about a total ban. If this catches on in other cities it might make our job a bit awkward.
............ and Dazmonds Golf worthless.
the irony is my golf GTD is far less polluting than most older diesels and petrol vehicles on the road.....virtually zero emissions out of the exhaust due to the DPF.......
most newer diesel vehicles are very clean in comparison.....
Exactly, hilarious isn’t it.
They love to tax hot air. It’s all a money spinner!
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But the new plug-in hybrid transit custom has an incredible range of ... 35 miles!
Not to mention it's a real bargain at £39k
Now with such highly practical vans like this available who needs old fashioned diesel.
sarcasm doesnt usually come across well in a post on the internet ......but this is LOUD AND CLEAR! ;D ;D ;D
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I looked at going electric for the vans. It’d take me 3 days to get from Hereford to Newcastle.
They should pedestrianise all city centres. Just allow goods vehicles etc in, early o clock.
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That'll be Daz back to cold water too!! ;D
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spoke to my old boss the other week,owns a haulage business ,
he has one of the only dual fuel 44 ton lorries in the country, diesel and electric
it only goes from one side of bristol to the other when fully loaded and on electric :o :o :o :o :o
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Well that’s bloody handy innit ;D
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I bet that’s 22 of cargo and 22 of batteries as well !
You got a pic of his charger ;D
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I bet that’s 22 of cargo and 22 of batteries as well !
You got a pic of his charger ;D
Its the engine. ;D It will be running the rest of the day on diesel recharging them and propelling the unit.
Interesting reports are that since fewer diesels are being sold in the greater London area and replaced by petrol engines, emissions have actually increased, not decreased. Watch, petrol vehicles will be focused on next.
If every one went electric the Government coffers would loose most of its revenue derived from fuel tax - it would only get the VAT on the electric used to charge battery vehicles.
Its a mess.
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I bought a new diesel car about four years ago and there were rumours of diesel being phased out then. Seems to have really taken off now very quickly. I think diesel cars will be worthless very soon.
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I bought a new diesel car about four years ago and there were rumours of diesel being phased out then. Seems to have really taken off now very quickly. I think diesel cars will be worthless very soon.
Personally, I think its gone quiet Dave. But they are continuing to push the electric wave for city center residents/commuters. If they can reduce the amount of petrol and diesel private vehicles driven in city centers then they believe its the solution to reducing pollution. Then they need to ban gas boilers and trains and planes ......................
Company reps will always choose diesel as it more economical to run when compared to petrol. I can't see a mass move towards Telsas which seem to have a pretty good range. Time is money and they can't afford for a rep to be sitting in a motorway services doing nothing whilst the car is getting a quick boost charge outside. With prices from 42k to 55k and an uncertain delivery time from placing an order, I can't see cash strapped companies providing these as company vehicles.
It still too early to see what the resale value of a battery vehicle is after 3 or 4 years. Glass's guide can say one thing but its the buying public that will dictate what a used battery car is worth. So depreciation is still a big unknown IMO.
There seems to be a gullible car buying public in the UK. We have accepted that a car is 'worthless' at 10 years old. Try to get finance on a 9 year old car.
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So should I have a quick re think as in an hours time I should be handing 4K over for a TDI Touran ?
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The biggest problem with electric cars is the battery. Car manufacturer's will only guarantee to a certain mileage and length of time. As the cars age so do does the battery proficiency. After 6-8 years the battery isn't cost replaceable value for money making the car virtually worthless on the secondhand market as a valued economical secondhand purchase. All very well paying over the odds for an electric vehicle brand new for environmental reasons but economically in the long term it's a bad investment and regarding depreciation it's too early to realise how damaging this will be for resale values, though I suspect depreciation on electric vehicles will be much worse than diesel or petrol vehicles in comparison.
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But then again I run stuff until it dies or becomes a money pit so resale value is not a concern to me
It’s pollution charges and diesel cost and availability that would be a problem !
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I leased my diesel car on a 2 year contract (that ends in March) as I foresaw the resale value being uncertain. I got a great deal and don’t have to worry about what it’s worth, I may do the same again with a petrol car or even a hybrid.
The problem with electric is that the technology is changing so fast, what’s ‘cutting edge’ today is obsolete in a year and so depreciation is crazy.
Aluminium ion batteries are set to overtake lithium ion in a year or two, and no doubt that technology will change and develop rapidly too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592485/Father-eight-invents-electric-car-battery-drivers-1-500-miles-without-charging-it.html
I know of a guy in London who has an electric small van. He has built a housing for a diesel generator (with exhaust port in the roof) that he runs all the time to keep the batteries topped up. This is classed as a zero-emissions vehicle and so exempt from all the crazy charges that Sadiq Khan has imposed.
And then there’s things like this:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/graph/energy/renewables/solar/diesel-generator-ev-charger-m.jpg)
Yes it’s a car charging point powered by a diesel generator.
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I leased my diesel car on a 2 year contract (that ends in March) as I foresaw the resale value being uncertain. I got a great deal and don’t have to worry about what it’s worth, I may do the same again with a petrol car or even a hybrid.
The problem with electric is that the technology is changing so fast, what’s ‘cutting edge’ today is obsolete in a year and so depreciation is crazy.
Aluminium ion batteries are set to overtake lithium ion in a year or two, and no doubt that technology will change and develop rapidly too.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7592485/Father-eight-invents-electric-car-battery-drivers-1-500-miles-without-charging-it.html
I know of a guy in London who has an electric small van. He has built a housing for a diesel generator (with exhaust port in the roof) that he runs all the time to keep the batteries topped up. This is classed as a zero-emissions vehicle and so exempt from all the crazy charges that Sadiq Khan has imposed.
And then there’s things like this:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/graph/energy/renewables/solar/diesel-generator-ev-charger-m.jpg)
Yes it’s a car charging point powered by a diesel generator.
I love it. ;D Ingenuity in action. Lets find a work around.
Never heard of Aluminum ion batteries. Will have to inform myself because I thought Lithium Ion was the future of batteries - apart from their negatives - cold and mineral availability.
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So should I have a quick re think as in an hours time I should be handing 4K over for a TDI Touran ?
I wouldn't concern myself too much about it. I would still buy a replacement diesel car.
If emission zone charges become too much then go elsewhere.
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Well that was an eye opener !
The VW was shall we say not as described in the advert , mould on seatbelts , light cluster full of water , wing mirror shattered , and to top it off it had grown a tow hitch !
Drove down the road and ended up in Vauxhall main dealer used vehicles , came away with a Petrol Zafira 4 years newer fully loaded spec , brand new tyres, discs , pads , even heated seats ( Daz ) 35K less on the clock with a fully comprehensive 2 year warranty, and all for £600 more ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1572715336_8C13FC9D-95CF-43C1-B6BC-78D2A14292A7.png)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1572715336_1F083254-7CEF-4240-A6B9-CC2BE0E60E98.png)
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Well that was an eye opener !
The VW was shall we say not as described in the advert , mould on seatbelts , light cluster full of water , wing mirror shattered , and to top it off it had grown a tow hitch !
Drove down the road and ended up in Vauxhall main dealer used vehicles , came away with a Petrol Zafira 4 years newer fully loaded spec , brand new tyres, discs , pads , even heated seats ( Daz ) 35K less on the clock with a fully comprehensive 2 year warranty, and all for £600 more ;D ;D ;D
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Did they include a fire extinguisher? I'm just asking.
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I knew that would come up ;D
What do you know that I have not read Spruce ?
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Gotta laugh. ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1572728760_9724D6E4-000C-456B-B0B6-12B3240D4699.png)
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My missus had a zafira it got recalled twice.....my brothers wife had one and it caught fire when she was driving it with the kids in the car(19k on the clock).....luckily she managed to get them out before it exploded and totally burned out...this was on a slip road going up to the motorway......
I used to drive my missus one sometimes....I hated it....the gearbox was crap......shes just sold it to a neighbour for £700.......and got a grand tourneo transit connect(same as mine but the car version)........
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Just seen that the one we are waiting on is only in the last recall as it has auto air con !
Dealer just rang and I told him I don’t want it until it’s been in for a new cabin filter , blower motor , resistor pack and upgraded connectors.
See what happens now !
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Whenever I have looked at car reliability surveys, Vauxhall have always been bottom or close.
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That’s why I got the extra 2 year warranty that covers everything electrical and mechanical
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I knew that would come up ;D
What do you know that I have not read Spruce ?
Sorry Rich, I was just being facetious. I shouldn't have made the comment. I didn't mean to cause alarm.
As with all these things a few issues become magnified due to media coverage. If the press is to be taken literately then every single Zafira ever made has caught fire or will catch fire in the next few days. You might find that this has happened to 0.005% of all Zafiras ever made.
Unfortunately the motor industry does nothing to give people any confidence about how they handle potential issues.
Would I buy a Zafira? Yes, if it ticked all the boxes. Like you I would run it into the ground so resale value won't be a key consideration after I bought it.
You got it at a good price for 2 reasons - firstly people haven't got a very good perception of Zafiras and this effects the value, and, secondly, its petrol so its going to be more expensive to run on fuel.
If its not going to do mega miles a month then petrol is fine. You just have to plaster the back around the fuel filler with reminders to yourselves its petrol not diesel.
You know what you are getting and if the car did catch fire, then Vauxhall can't looked shocked when the car is recovered. At least you can prepare for an eventuality and have fire drills. ;D
In 1988 I bought a brand new Ford Sierra 2.0 GLE in South Africa. Even before I bought it I knew that that car had a major safety floor. If it was involved in a head on crash and the impact centered on the drivers side, the driver had no hope of getting out alive. I still bought it. I knew what I was getting into. I did just on 220,000 kilometers with that car with no incident, but I was conscious of the design fault.
Would I have bought a Rover 100 some 20 years ago after the NCAP cash test report was released? Would I buy a Fiat Panda now? No to both questions. But people are still buying Fiat Pandas because they are cheap and a serious accident isn't going to happen to them.
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Rich, curious ...... what mileage did your Touran die at and why?
Petrol or diesel?
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The idea is to smart all motorways and remove the emergency lane and then make them solely for the use of electric vehicles and or driver-less vehicles.
Ye carbon witches will be charged per mile to drive - beware of anything with the prefix "smart"
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I knew that would come up ;D
What do you know that I have not read Spruce ?
Sorry Rich, I was just being facetious. I shouldn't have made the comment. I didn't mean to cause alarm.
As with all these things a few issues become magnified due to media coverage. If the press is to be taken literately then every single Zafira ever made has caught fire or will catch fire in the next few days. You might find that this has happened to 0.005% of all Zafiras ever made.
Unfortunately the motor industry does nothing to give people any confidence about how they handle potential issues.
Would I buy a Zafira. Yes, if it ticked all the boxes. Like you I would run it into the ground so resale value won't be a key consideration after I bought it.
You got it at a good price for 2 reasons - firstly people haven't got a very good perception of Zafiras and this effects the value, and, secondly, its petrol so its going to be more expensive to run on fuel.
If its not going to do mega miles a month then petrol is fine. You just have to plaster the back around the fuel filler with reminders to yourselves its petrol not diesel.
You know what you are getting and if the car did catch fire, then Vauxhall can't looked shocked when the car is recovered. At least you can prepare for an eventuality and have fire drills. ;D
In 1988 I bought a brand new Ford Sierra 2.0 GLE in South Africa. Even before I bought it I knew that that car had a major safety floor. If it was involved in a head on crash and the impact centered on the drivers side, the driver had no hope of getting out alive. I still bought it. I knew what I was getting into. I did just on 220,000 kilometers with that car with no incident, but I was conscious of the design fault.
Would I have bought a Rover 100 some 20 years ago after the NCAP cash test report was released? Would I buy a Fiat Panda now? No to both questions. But people are still buying Fiat Pandas because they are cheap and a serious accident isn't going to happen to them.
We will still get it I think , it hasn’t gone up in 6 years so far , plus as I said it is only the model that has recently been recalled , as far as I have searched none of the auto air con models have burnt yet , I reckon it’s just Vauxhall being cautious even if a little too late !
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Rich, curious ...... what mileage did your Touran die at and why?
Petrol or diesel?
It was the 1.6 petrol which I never thought was a man enough power plant for the size of the car
It died at 135k , well it’s far from dead but the emissions are way too high to do anything with , it’s had different stop smoke formulas added , new lamda sensors over the past few years , also every time I ever got oil for it the grade was never the same as the previous time , even VW advised me differently twice .
I also had the creamy poop under the oil filler for the last couple of years which pointed to head gasket , as the car never ran any different I didn’t bother with it
We had nearly 10 years and it didn’t really cost anything until the end , 6K was paid for it and we put 55,000 on it .
It did us well I suppose!
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That’s why I got the extra 2 year warranty that covers everything electrical and mechanical
Problem is after the warranty runs out. It may serve you well but personally I would not want a Vauxhall car.
The Zafira "performs well below average" in What Car reliability index.
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I had the Astra GTE 8v and 16v models back in the day and loved them , but have never thought the quality of Vauxhall’s have been great when put next to say VW .
But to get the level of spec on this 4.5K Vauxhall on a Touran would cost me at least 10K !
If it gives me 3 or 4 years then happy days !
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I had the Astra GTE 8v and 16v models back in the day and loved them , but have never thought the quality of Vauxhall’s have been great when put next to say VW .
But to get the level of spec on this 4.5K Vauxhall on a Touran would cost me at least 10K !
If it gives me 3 or 4 years then happy days !
im sure itll be fine mate...my missus had hers for 5 years(cost her 4k).....she had a new clutch,reconditioned gearbox,lambda sensor,brake pads and discs,new battery,4 new tyres,2 new rear light fittings(she reversed into a wall!)and a few other little jobs here and there.....she probably spent an extra £4k including 5 mots and 5 years worth of road tax......so around 8k altogether then she sold it for £700.....
itll cost me at least £18k over 5 years to lease brand new cars,probably closer to 20k including service,scratch repair and deposit(l love the golf GTD/GTIs though!)but i dont have the hassle of breakdowns,mots,garage bills,etc and i love driving the golfs......they are a pleasure to drive.....
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the bass player in our band had a VW touran and had sooooo many problems with it!he was glad to get rid in the end!sometimes its pot luck......
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the bass player in our band had a VW touran and had sooooo many problems with it!he was glad to get rid in the end!sometimes its pot luck......
VW cars do not come out very well in reliability surveys either. It is something I always look at before buying.
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The Touran had never missed a beat tbh , cost us nothing other than wear and tear , my T4 Transporter was the same , I didn’t need a clutch in the 10 years I had it , I only did the cambelt after 9 years as I thought I was pushing my luck !
We have an 05 Golf as well , 4 years now that’s not cost a penny , although the day we drove it off the forecourt the management light came on , took 2 months to rectify it under warranty luckily, but I hate the thing , always have !
The Zafira is now at main dealer getting the recall bits done and will pick up on Thursday, we can all run fast so should be ok. ;D ;D ;D
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This is all that’s left of the Touran
:'( :'( :'(
6 disc changer and heater controls !
Gotta be better than a single disc currently in the Golf ;D
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1572903079_6C8B2229-2B27-4B3C-9471-8254F7DC7AC6.png)
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Oh great. Bristol City Council HAS voted to implement a diesel ban.
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Not good is it? There’s going to be loads of cheap diesel cars going in the Bristol area shortly 🤣
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Bugger , I just passed over that TDI Touran in favour of a petrol :D
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I had a ride in a Tesla a couple of weeks, a custards.
That was frigtening, shit off a shovel.
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Oh great. Bristol City Council HAS voted to implement a diesel ban.
You ll find its NOT for commercial vehicles though at certain times of day...they will be allowed as usual.....do you honestly think all the food and drink delivery trucks will not be diesel?course they will...👍
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Oh great. Bristol City Council HAS voted to implement a diesel ban.
You ll find its NOT for commercial vehicles though at certain times of day...they will be allowed as usual.....do you honestly think all the food and drink delivery trucks will not be diesel?course they will...👍
There is a charge for them.
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Just google it, plenty of information. I reckon all the big cities will follow.
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You can’t beat the sound of a straight 6, or a v8 etc.
This hot air tax drives me up the wall. No pun intended.
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Oh great. Bristol City Council HAS voted to implement a diesel ban.
You ll find its NOT for commercial vehicles though at certain times of day...they will be allowed as usual.....do you honestly think all the food and drink delivery trucks will not be diesel?course they will...👍
You ll find you are WRONG
£100 a day for lorries
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Multi Story car parks will be empty for a while ;D
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On the up side my new petrol car is fab !
TV , Heated seats , and my phone just TXT me to let me know where I had parked it , like I would have forgotten it was outside my house ;D ;D ;D
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Was talking about electric vans today with a friend.
He claims that the new all electric Nissan has a payload of 700kg, and a range of 130 miles...
He said that the hybrid transit will be here soon.
Anyone in the know about what is happening in the the hybrid / electric van market?
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Was talking about electric vans today with a friend.
He claims that the new all electric Nissan has a payload of 700kg, and a range of 130 miles...
He said that the hybrid transit will be here soon.
Anyone in the know about what is happening in the the hybrid / electric van market?
The transit custom hybrid is pants.
30 miles on battery.
Crap payload.
1 litre engine needed to power batteries over 30 mile mark. (That’s probably 30 miles unloaded and in perfect conditions with a slight downhill)
All in all, crap.
We need diesels!!!!
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Honda Civic hybrid was one of the two main hybrid cars for popularity when they first came out, I had one myself. I got rid of mine before the trouble started. One of the most problematic for battery issues after 6-8 years. I'm not interested in how far electric cars can run on one charge but how practical they are to own. As the battery life shortens, so does the mileage but at the same time the battery is nearing replacing. I will never buy a hybrid or electric car ever again in my lifetime and will pay the extra running costs they decide to bring in for persuading us to change over from diesel and petrol.
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Was talking about electric vans today with a friend.
He claims that the new all electric Nissan has a payload of 700kg, and a range of 130 miles...
He said that the hybrid transit will be here soon.
Anyone in the know about what is happening in the the hybrid / electric van market?
I had a little nose around different reviews and at the moment the Nissan NV200 seems the only real option for a window cleaner at the moment. And even that is right on the edge of being "worth it" unless you are regularly in a congestion charge area.
It has a 705KG payload so a single operator with a 400L tank would be about the limit and it costs in the mid-twenty thousands depending on the model and charger. What concerns me is the fact that if i sell it at say 5 years then the battery warranty is down to three years for the new buyer so what will depreciation be like?
If I keep it and decide to run it for ten, twelve, fifteen years then how much will a replacement battery set cost me?
On the other hand I'm told running/maintenance costs are cheap per mile but it's not really a long distance vehicle when you have to recharge every 100 miles or so.
For me I think my Hyundai diesel will "see me out" but I think electric vans will reduce in price and/or gain more subsidy, range and scale of economy. Ask me again in two years.
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Anyone else noticed the propensity of coffee outlets popping up in garage forecourts.
Im of the opinion this is a long term investment strategy by coffee shops knowing that the need for charging vehicles is coming in to the publics consciousness.
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Was talking about electric vans today with a friend.
He claims that the new all electric Nissan has a payload of 700kg, and a range of 130 miles...
He said that the hybrid transit will be here soon.
Anyone in the know about what is happening in the the hybrid / electric van market?
I had a little nose around different reviews and at the moment the Nissan NV200 seems the only real option for a window cleaner at the moment. And even that is right on the edge of being "worth it" unless you are regularly in a congestion charge area.
It has a 705KG payload so a single operator with a 400L tank would be about the limit and it costs in the mid-twenty thousands depending on the model and charger. What concerns me is the fact that if i sell it at say 5 years then the battery warranty is down to three years for the new buyer so what will depreciation be like?
If I keep it and decide to run it for ten, twelve, fifteen years then how much will a replacement battery set cost me?
On the other hand I'm told running/maintenance costs are cheap per mile but it's not really a long distance vehicle when you have to recharge every 100 miles or so.
For me I think my Hyundai diesel will "see me out" but I think electric vans will reduce in price and/or gain more subsidy, range and scale of economy. Ask me again in two years.
A windie on one of the forums booked an NV200 for an extended test drive. He returned it shortly afterward as it was useless for window cleaning. He stated that the battery packs are all secured under the floor of the van and it would not be possible to secure a tank frame through the floor because of this design.
Just something to think about.
https://www.drivingelectric.com/nissan/e-nv200/386/nissan-e-nv200-van-range-battery-charging
The Nissan e-NV200 has benefited from Nissan’s battery development, and uses the same 40kWh battery pack as the latest Nissan Leaf. This has been slotted under the e-NV200’s load area, and as it takes up the same amount of space as the smaller battery, the van’s load volume and payload haven’t been affected.
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Oh great. Bristol City Council HAS voted to implement a diesel ban.
When city center businesses start to go bust from lack of customer's the council will just look confused.
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Was talking about electric vans today with a friend.
He claims that the new all electric Nissan has a payload of 700kg, and a range of 130 miles...
He said that the hybrid transit will be here soon.
Anyone in the know about what is happening in the the hybrid / electric van market?
I had a little nose around different reviews and at the moment the Nissan NV200 seems the only real option for a window cleaner at the moment. And even that is right on the edge of being "worth it" unless you are regularly in a congestion charge area.
It has a 705KG payload so a single operator with a 400L tank would be about the limit and it costs in the mid-twenty thousands depending on the model and charger. What concerns me is the fact that if i sell it at say 5 years then the battery warranty is down to three years for the new buyer so what will depreciation be like?
If I keep it and decide to run it for ten, twelve, fifteen years then how much will a replacement battery set cost me?
On the other hand I'm told running/maintenance costs are cheap per mile but it's not really a long distance vehicle when you have to recharge every 100 miles or so.
For me I think my Hyundai diesel will "see me out" but I think electric vans will reduce in price and/or gain more subsidy, range and scale of economy. Ask me again in two years.
A windie on one of the forums booked an NV200 for an extended test drive. He returned it shortly afterward as it was useless for window cleaning. He stated that the battery packs are all secured under the floor of the van and it would not be possible to secure a tank frame through the floor because of this design.
Just something to think about.
https://www.drivingelectric.com/nissan/e-nv200/386/nissan-e-nv200-van-range-battery-charging
The Nissan e-NV200 has benefited from Nissan’s battery development, and uses the same 40kWh battery pack as the latest Nissan Leaf. This has been slotted under the e-NV200’s load area, and as it takes up the same amount of space as the smaller battery, the van’s load volume and payload haven’t been affected.
Some would be prepared to ratchet strap a 400l tank.
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When a lot of people go electric there's going to be a lot of dumb ass drivers crawling along slower than grandma & grandpa on a Sunday leisurely drive during the week including rush hour commute driving economically to conserve battery life hogging all the traffic up in rural areas with shame and a lot of frustrated drivers in a rush to overtake them causing more accidents....wait an see.
It's like that here in rural areas when the holiday makers come and visit, spot the tourist taking up all the road and causing tailbacks and accidents every year.
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we ve got at least another 20 years of buying/leasing diesel vans/cars before they are predicted to stop manufacturing them altogether,then theyll be another 10 years of second hand diesels on the road(if not longer).....so in 30 years time ill be 78 and be one of the annoying slow drivers conserving battery power in my little electric vehicle.... ;D ;D ;D
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we ve got at least another 20 years of buying/leasing diesel vans/cars before they are predicted to stop manufacturing them altogether,then theyll be another 10 years of second hand diesels on the road(if not longer).....so in 30 years time ill be 78 and be one of the annoying slow drivers conserving battery power in my little electric vehicle.... ;D ;D ;D
Diesel vans could go a lot quicker but there will certainly by petrol vans around for many years to come.
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Diesel might be around for a while but we will be restricted where they are driven. Government could make a lot of money on fees.
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we ve got at least another 20 years of buying/leasing diesel vans/cars before they are predicted to stop manufacturing them altogether,then theyll be another 10 years of second hand diesels on the road(if not longer).....so in 30 years time ill be 78 and be one of the annoying slow drivers conserving battery power in my little electric vehicle.... ;D ;D ;D
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