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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Willis on September 13, 2019, 12:41:10 pm

Title: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 13, 2019, 12:41:10 pm
Bloody brilliant. Light as a feather with widget fan jets. Cut my flow by half wish I’d bought the medium too. Have to say not been keen on fan jets on the glass and still hate the overspray so may fit pencils later. Also works great with a swivel.  ;)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 13, 2019, 01:32:52 pm
Unreal Dave  :o
I was just going to post exactly that myself .
I was asking myself if it was a placebo trick but it can’t be if you got the same , my pump normally pulls 2.5 amp today I have knocked it back to 1.5 amp
My water is way hotter as its flowing slower !
I got red and grey fans but much prefer the red
Next is the medium as the stiff feels stiffer than usual if that makes sense

Well done Alex , an absolute belter of a brush, and the bumpers are very well thought out  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on September 13, 2019, 02:51:18 pm
I really like the look of them.  Shame they are not available in the 35cm brush range.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Jonny 87 on September 13, 2019, 03:04:37 pm
It’s awesome.

Little bit of a modification and you can fit the rinse bar too it also.

Very versatile brush.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 13, 2019, 03:23:53 pm
Daz has got them on order , will he or won’t he Hmmm !
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: KS Cleaning on September 13, 2019, 03:29:04 pm
I really like the look of them.  Shame they are not available in the 35cm brush range.
I’m the same, couldn’t go back to using a 26cm brush, perhaps Alex will bring out a 35cm version of the sill brush, weight might be an issue tho?
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 13, 2019, 04:31:05 pm
Daz has got them on order , will he or won’t he Hmmm !

2 stiff xtreme sill brushes were delivered yesterday at my girlfriends house along with my new xtreme 25......im going round tonight so ill be giving them a try on monday morning.... 8)...they look great....
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: p1w1 on September 13, 2019, 05:09:15 pm
 I used that brush today for the first time and was pretty impressed with it, early days yet but it does work well as a sill brush. Although I prefer 3mm jets. Let's just see how long the sill bristles last
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dd on September 13, 2019, 05:16:01 pm
Daz has got them on order , will he or won’t he Hmmm !

2 stiff xtreme sill brushes were delivered yesterday at my girlfriends house along with my new xtreme 25......im going round tonight so ill be giving them a try on monday morning.... 8)...they look great....
Have I missed something, i thought daz came to the conclusion that the xtreme 25 was too fragile for every day use and went back to slx 25 or his cobbled together xtreme/slx?
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Den68 on September 13, 2019, 05:33:34 pm
I have been using the medium extreme sill for a few months  and it’s great when cleaning 4 storey cleans and also when cleaning awkward window above large extensions etc as the brush don’t splay much and holds its firmness so the ends of the bristles do all the work very nice brush.

Would love a 35cm version, hope they release one.

Also if you are a rinsebar user this is compatible can position 5he bar close to the stock and clears the bristles easy.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 13, 2019, 05:38:32 pm
However .............................

The results are terrible!!!!!
Not the brush but the 100 degree fans. They are good but don’t produce enough water in my opinion and overspray in clouds. I had terrible spotting this afternoon.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: NWH on September 13, 2019, 05:44:30 pm
That’s fan jets I’m afraid I have never been a fan of them,good for weatherboard wash downs and cleaning the van that’s it imo.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 13, 2019, 05:47:41 pm
Bugger, I bought two brushes but the other has brass jets not capsules. Ah well.

Like the capsule idea too. Dead simple.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 13, 2019, 05:55:06 pm
Daz has got them on order , will he or won’t he Hmmm !

2 stiff xtreme sill brushes were delivered yesterday at my girlfriends house along with my new xtreme 25......im going round tonight so ill be giving them a try on monday morning.... 8)...they look great....
Have I missed something, i thought daz came to the conclusion that the xtreme 25 was too fragile for every day use and went back to slx 25 or his cobbled together xtreme/slx?

it is..... but i used my cobbled together worn xtreme pole(made up of 3 different xtreme versions!) for a few days last week and bought another....you just cant beat the sheer ease of use......

ive resigned myself to buying a new xtreme 25 every year from now on i think..... ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on September 13, 2019, 06:00:02 pm
Alex - 35cm please.   Let us all know 😁
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 13, 2019, 06:20:08 pm
However .............................

The results are terrible!!!!!
Not the brush but the 100 degree fans. They are good but don’t produce enough water in my opinion and overspray in clouds. I had terrible spotting this afternoon.

First job today I put the 100* in and found the same , had to crank the flow right up to get the volume of water I wanted , the result was massive fan patterns.
If the wider brushes do come with 4 jet holes then the grey 100* pods on the inner holes only would be superb I think .
I switched to the red 50* pods right away , they are the dogs danglers if you like fans !
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 13, 2019, 06:21:55 pm
You could say I was sheeting all over the place  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on September 13, 2019, 06:54:28 pm
You could say I was sheeting all over the place  ;D

I prefer a good squirt  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 13, 2019, 06:59:05 pm
 :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Shrek on September 13, 2019, 09:56:53 pm
100° fans are no good, not enough water to create a waterfall on the glass.  I went back to the 50° Fans after a month
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Rob.Hall on September 13, 2019, 11:09:16 pm
Love it..
50 fans great.
Weight great.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: lal on September 14, 2019, 02:51:00 pm

  I tried the 100%  Fans last year, couldn't get on with them, i tried different flow rates  to no avail,
  i couldn't find a sweet spot with the spray, it was all over the place, plus i noticed spotting at the top of
  the glass, i much prefer the 50% red fans.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 14, 2019, 03:59:49 pm
Cleaned my own windows and a neighbours today with this new sill brush....its basically the same as a standard xtreme brush but with 2 rows of extra bristles at the bottom of the stock.....

First impressions....I like it....I have a lot of upper windows on the side of houses to clean next week with limited space....this brush will help to catch the sills as well as the glass....fantastically light compared to a standard sill brush.....I've also fitted the brush bumpers too.....👍
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 15, 2019, 11:29:29 am
This brush will also be great for skylights(no changing angle of brush)...👍
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 15, 2019, 12:29:48 pm
This brush will also be great for skylights(no changing angle of brush)...👍
I found that already , normally it’s a pole down and put angle to 90* job and pole back up....not anymore !
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 16, 2019, 04:02:45 pm
used it all day today with a carbon gooseneck......great! :)

the angle is always right whether its down the side of a conny,cleaning a skylight or cleaning an upper window in a tight space due to the extra 2 rows of bristles at the bottom of the brush......thumbs up from me...... :)

its only marginally heavier than the standard xtreme brush but more versatile......only thing is i dont like the brush bumpers so took them off after an hour this morning....
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 16, 2019, 04:12:32 pm
Daz did you find them sticking to the brickwork an causing drag ?
Perhaps a harder grade of plastic might be better , doesn’t overly bother me though .

Did you find it stiffer though Daz ?
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 16, 2019, 05:47:58 pm
Daz did you find them sticking to the brickwork an causing drag ?
Perhaps a harder grade of plastic might be better , doesn’t overly bother me though .

Did you find it stiffer though Daz ?

i found the bumpers working  loose after a while,catching them on things.....i could glue them on i suppose but i dont see i need for them tbh.....ive never used them on any brush before.....
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 16, 2019, 05:55:29 pm
ive got a newer stiff version of the ultimate brush too(all red bristles)...personally i think they are stiffer than other stiff brushes alex used to sell......probably trying to stop them from going out of shape and increase longevity....hot water certainly kills brushes prematurely.........
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 16, 2019, 06:18:45 pm
Stopped using the cill brush until my jets arrive so gave the new medium xtreme with the tapered inner bristles a whirl today.
Very nice brush too.
Think I need a good clear out  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 16, 2019, 08:08:18 pm
Stopped using the cill brush until my jets arrive so gave the new medium xtreme with the tapered inner bristles a whirl today.
Very nice brush too.
Think I need a good clear out  ;D

how many brushes do you think you have lying around dave?i must have close to 30!loads of heavy brushes which will never get used,most of them SL or old sill brushes and a few heavy xline brushes(although the flocked i use for cleaning the van)......
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 16, 2019, 09:39:52 pm
Not that many!  ;D
Sold on the Xlines (good but heavy)
One or two Superlights, never use them.
Couple of Supremes, really don’t like them at all.
Cill brushes, used on roofs.
Dupont Ultimate (great brush)
One or two knackered Xtremes.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 16, 2019, 10:31:12 pm
Get an Ultimate Dave  ;D
What don’t you like about the Supreme out of interest?
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 16, 2019, 10:32:00 pm
Doh , you have one  :P

Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 16, 2019, 10:51:10 pm
For me, I found the bristles too long, the angle of splay wrong and the brush too heavy for it’s size. I found they lifted the lead off leaded windows.
Only my observations, obviously others would love them.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 17, 2019, 01:46:52 am
That’s exactly what I thought when I first saw it !
Fantastic coverage  , but a huge splay of bristles that needs a thick stock to accommodate them , great for large plate glass no doubt .
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 17, 2019, 08:43:53 pm
Got the medium version today , it’s beaut, slides over everything so well , just have to make sure I keep the temps down a bit and not wreck it
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Stoots on September 17, 2019, 08:55:43 pm
You guys spend some brass on brushes. I only have 4.

One on each pole and a spare one.

Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 17, 2019, 10:20:07 pm
No I don’t , I just retired 2 extremes kindly donated back in 2015 , I then bought an Ultimate in 2017  :o
Xtreme sill stiff was royalty payment last week , and I paid for an Xtreme medium yesterday  which broke my heart   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 08:41:12 am
You guys spend some brass on brushes. I only have 4.

One on each pole and a spare one.

around £200 a year on brushes.......using hot water and the lightest brushes they dont last long.....
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 08:46:37 am
Mine did Daz , although they were no longer 26cm   ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 08:52:16 am
Mine did Daz , although they were no longer 26cm   ;D

i dont know how you managed to make your xtreme brushes last so long!mine are knackered after 2 months,if not sooner.....
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: NWH on September 18, 2019, 12:29:41 pm
They all do with hot water Daz there’s not a medium brush out there that can handle hot water,I’ve got lots of brushes I alternate otherwise they deform in no time with hot water.
You could always go for the bass broom type or what they call stiff and is suitable for hot water.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Jonny 87 on September 18, 2019, 12:56:57 pm
The stiff supreme  is the best hot water brush I’ve found.

Mines a year old and perfect.

Although it’s stiff, it has a medium feel because of the splay.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Simon Trapani on September 18, 2019, 01:12:02 pm
This brush will also be great for skylights(no changing angle of brush)...👍
I found that already , normally it’s a pole down and put angle to 90* job and pole back up....not anymore !

Don’t you both find you’ll be squirting water up the velux  though as opposed to directly on it or slightly down it?
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Spotfree on September 18, 2019, 02:04:13 pm
Been using the flocked extreme today, cracking brush!
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 04:24:22 pm
I’ve been using the medium sill one with 50*c all day , it really is a great brush .
I have put the stiff sill one on my 35 footer , it splays just right due to a heavier pole .
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 04:35:24 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568820892_Screenshot_20190918-163345_Gallery.jpg)

3 days of use......
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: NWH on September 18, 2019, 05:05:44 pm
I rest my case lol,cold water users only please 😂 don’t last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: NWH on September 18, 2019, 05:09:46 pm
They all do it they can’t handle hot water at all that’s the next thing they need to get to grips with,once you’ve got a brush innthat condition new or not it’s had it if you reshaped it the problem would re occur in minutes with hot water.
It’s no good coming back with you need to use the stiff versions because they are ridiculously stiff.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 05:52:55 pm
Daz , how hot was the water ?
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 06:08:37 pm
Daz , how hot was the water ?

around 50c......this always happens to all my brushes....itll be ok for another couple of months but you can see itll be knackered in 2 months time.....
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 06:10:35 pm
They all do it they can’t handle hot water at all that’s the next thing they need to get to grips with,once you’ve got a brush innthat condition new or not it’s had it if you reshaped it the problem would re occur in minutes with hot water.
It’s no good coming back with you need to use the stiff versions because they are ridiculously stiff.

it IS the stiff version! ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 06:15:17 pm
You must be an animal Daz ;D

Red one has had 2 full days at 60*c
Orange has had 1 full day at 50*c

They don’t look like yours  :o

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568826899_065D5003-894B-4BDA-A87B-8F2F488E5796.png)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568826899_3D0A97AB-F3A7-44A5-9587-1A99D6613751.png)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 06:18:53 pm
they dont look like they ve been used yet mate..... :o

give it another day and theyll look like mine..... ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on September 18, 2019, 06:29:42 pm
Wouldn't worry Daz.   The brush will still clean just as good.  It's just the cosmetic look of it not its performance.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 06:38:16 pm
Daz the red one did this on one day and 12 houses on another day .

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568828288_5E6D6C4C-F838-4134-9C24-85A722D1C2B1.png)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568828288_01AB4CC0-A672-4008-B269-DC6923E97432.png)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 06:43:48 pm
These are the houses 12 of the 16
So it has done a bit !

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568828621_2F037B63-8CF0-4B94-9E27-126014BA2E69.png)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 06:56:02 pm
your brushes are dry in the pics...mine was taken just as i finished my last job so my brush probably looks worse because its wet.....the reason the bristles are bent on one side is hooking out spiders nests in the corner of windows! ::)roll ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 07:07:59 pm
Use ya finger or get a swivel mate , let’s you hit the web straight on

This is my standard Xtreme I have just retired it .
Alex sent me this after my stroke in January 2015 , my finger is how wide it was  ;D

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568830067_F9BEF725-F1AF-49A2-8526-B87E5A41C2ED.png)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Spotfree on September 18, 2019, 08:00:33 pm
Daz , how hot was the water ?

around 50c......this always happens to all my brushes....itll be ok for another couple of months but you can see itll be knackered in 2 months time.....

You must be trying to push the building over
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Spotfree on September 18, 2019, 08:01:51 pm
Wouldn't worry Daz.   The brush will still clean just as good.  It's just the cosmetic look of it not its performance.

Not really, those gaps in between the bristles won't be ideal.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Spotfree on September 18, 2019, 08:03:45 pm
Use ya finger or get a swivel mate , let’s you hit the web straight on

This is my standard Xtreme I have just retired it .
Alex sent me this after my stroke in January 2015 , my finger is how wide it was  ;D

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568830067_F9BEF725-F1AF-49A2-8526-B87E5A41C2ED.png)

Still looks better than Daz's
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 18, 2019, 08:26:38 pm
Here’s Dazimal chewing up his Xtreme  ;D

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568834793_7D921EB8-B67B-41EF-9F4A-76A01BC254FE.png)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Clever Forum Name on September 18, 2019, 09:42:53 pm
Been using the flocked extreme today, cracking brush!

I used it on some leaded windows and I loved it BUT i wanna try it on normal glass now!
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: dazmond on September 18, 2019, 10:56:24 pm
Daz , how hot was the water ?

around 50c......this always happens to all my brushes....itll be ok for another couple of months but you can see itll be knackered in 2 months time.....

You must be trying to push the building over

maybe i should ease off and not scrub with as much pressure,ive always been heavy handed/strong though.......

ive even put a few bass drum skins through playing drums over the years! ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Jonny 87 on September 19, 2019, 04:05:22 am
My extreme sill is months old and Looks like new too.

Daz you must just be a shrek of window cleaning.

 ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on September 19, 2019, 06:56:38 am
Daz , how hot was the water ?

around 50c......this always happens to all my brushes....itll be ok for another couple of months but you can see itll be knackered in 2 months time.....

You must be trying to push the building over

maybe i should ease off and not scrub with as much pressure,ive always been heavy handed/strong though.......

ive even put a few bass drum skins through playing drums! ;D

Maybe that's why you break so many sections too.
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Shrek on September 19, 2019, 07:56:17 am
My extreme sill is months old and Looks like new too.

Daz you must just be a shrek of window cleaning.

 ;D

Pardon  :D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Paul-kent on September 19, 2019, 11:55:40 am
If you have bumpers on your sill brush glue them as I have already lost one after only 9 jobs  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 19, 2019, 12:33:48 pm
That’s why I ordered 4 extra sets along with the optional ones with each brush
Not had one fall off yet !
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 19, 2019, 12:39:57 pm
I’m ready for war  ;D

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1568893185_97A23CB9-73B1-470D-B46E-C8011C346B3D.png)
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 19, 2019, 05:38:20 pm
Well that’s the second full day with 50*c at the brush head using the medium soft Xtreme sill brush, and it still looks like when I opened the box  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: zesty on September 19, 2019, 06:26:36 pm
Well that’s the second full day with 50*c at the brush head using the medium soft Xtreme sill brush, and it still looks like when I opened the box  ;D

Weathers gonna get colder, I’m waiting for my hot water system add on from you Rich!
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 19, 2019, 06:56:24 pm
Yeah , need to talk to my fabricator , should be done by now !
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: zesty on September 19, 2019, 08:23:19 pm
Yeah , need to talk to my fabricator , should be done by now !

I’m watching the days tick by 😜
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: jay moley on September 20, 2019, 02:46:18 pm
Would you recommend the medium or stiff brush for domestic use?

Cheers
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: P @ F on September 20, 2019, 02:54:30 pm
I would go with the medium all day long , unless you use very hot water or you are an animal like Daz  ;D
Title: Re: Gardiners Extreme Cill Brush
Post by: Dave Willis on September 20, 2019, 06:13:32 pm
I have a stiff one (ooh err!)
It does tend to skip about on the glass with cold water. I’m hoping it might soften up a bit with use as it seems stiffer than the original stiff xtremes. Makes it a very fast brush.
I’d recommend the medium.
The normal Xtreme medium is a cracking little brush.