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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: BrandonAntony on August 07, 2019, 11:24:23 am
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THIS IS MARKET RESEARCH ONLY PLEASE DO NOT MESSAGE ME ASKING FOR THESE LEADS.
I haven't started my window cleaning business yet as I dont have the capital to invest right now. The past few months I have been actively learning SEO. I have a website that is branded as *City*windowcleaners.co.uk, it is ranked very well and currently getting around 30-40 calls a month. These calls are tracked and recorded so I know when a call has happened and what was said in the call for when I do sell these Leads. I am going to route the number on the website to another window cleaner in the local area, of course for either a cost per month or a cost per call basis. These are Leads that are interested in a window cleaner and are actively searching for one on google so they are very HOT. I am not trying to sell anything on here, I am only conducting some market research on the pricing of these leads. How much would you guys expect for these kinds of leads?
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If you were actually going to start a window cleaning business then why would you not be taking advantage of all these HOT calls yourself. At that rate you would have a good round within a year even if you converted 70% of them to customers. It's not expensive to get a little system together if your serious.
As leads there not worth anything really maybe a little if they are commercial but there nothing more then an enquiry.
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Simpy because I am young (20), dont have my driving license yet, van insurance will cost around £4k, a van with a wfp system £2k minimum. I simply setup the site so it would be ready and id know that id at least be getting some leads for when I do have the capital to start. I figured in the time between now and then I could sell these leads and gain some of the capital through that.
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50-60p per lead
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Hi.
I sell leads to window cleaners.
£10 per lead
Please remember on here is a very very tiny percentage of window cleaners
You would be better scouring other forums and Facebook groups.
Believe me there is a market for this and your leads have a value to the right person.
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50-60p per lead
lol
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Hi.
I sell leads to window cleaners.
£10 per lead
Please remember on here is a very very tiny percentage of window cleaners
You would be better scouring other forums and Facebook groups.
Believe me there is a market for this and your leads have a value to the right person.
Thanks £10 is industry standard for cleaning leads from my research. If you dont mind me asking, what kind of leads do you sell? calls? FB leads?
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Social media and Google ad words mainly but there's a few other places that work well online.
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Zero for me
I refuse to use third party companies to buy work from. Cut out the middle man and save money. Seen to many times people wanting to take a slice of the cake from sitting on their sofa.
It's nothing I can't do myself and easier and less confusing for the customer who wants a simple procedure.
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Zero for me
I refuse to use third party companies to buy work from. Cut out the middle man and save money. Seen to many times people wanting to take a slice of the cake from sitting on their sofa.
It's nothing I can't do myself and easier and less confusing for the customer who wants a simple procedure.
Honestly I understand where your coming from as a lot of people just sell FB leads and these leads simply are not as interested as people who are actively searching on google for a window cleaner and as a result do not convert as well. About the confusing part, the website is branded as a generic window cleaning company in *City* when a customer calls the number on the site, they will get routed to you.
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zero
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It's just a lead, that's all and the chances are the individual has contacted numerous cleaners for quotes. Therefore it's not truly an investment but a waste of money buying.
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zero
It's just a lead, that's all and the chances are the individual has contacted numerous cleaners for quotes. Therefore it's not truly an investment but a waste of money buying.
How is this any different from someone contacting you through lets say for example a flyer. Even when your advertising with flyers you still have a Cost Per Call. So why do you think these leads have zero value?
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Whats your website?
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Same here - zero for a lead - if its viable after 3 cleans I'd pay you the price of the first clean
why wold I pay £10 for a £10 clean that most likely will only ever be a one off
Darran
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Same here - zero for a lead - if its viable after 3 cleans I'd pay you the price of the first clean
why wold I pay £10 for a £10 clean that most likely will only ever be a one off
Darran
your not paying £10 for a £10 clean. your paying £10 for the phone to ring. That call could be a bungalow or it could be a mansion, it could also be any size commercial work. Sales and pricing is up to you.
Let me phrase it this way, how much on average does it cost you in advertising to get 1 call? please exclude anything that provides terrible quality calls such as FB group posting etc
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Actually we are very well known in our location and get extremely good work from Facebook - maybe upto 20 recommendations at a time
I don't need to pay for the phone to ring - it already does that at least a dozen times a day - the big commercial stuff comes direct from the website so we have several email enquires per day.
please note us old hands on here have seen many, many people try to be "agents" with all sorts of claims for work, leads special web sites you name it - ALL (as far as I recall) have epic fails - even a consortium of bigger window cleaning firms couldn't provide the service your trying to offer - hence our replies
of course feel free to show us your web site - it must be really special - look forward to the time you start hitting the streets and working on the tools so we can all help and advise you
Darran
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zero
It's just a lead, that's all and the chances are the individual has contacted numerous cleaners for quotes. Therefore it's not truly an investment but a waste of money buying.
How is this any different from someone contacting you through lets say for example a flyer. Even when your advertising with flyers you still have a Cost Per Call. So why do you think these leads have zero value?
No offence buddy but your coming into an industry which you have no experience in and so far just theory or as u put it, market research.
I respect your trying to earn so you can get yourself up and running, but you are asking and so expect varied answers.
The difference is because if I invest in flyers etc, it is my design, my prices and I will target areas I want to work in and so that is worth my investment on the return I make from it.
Whereas, you asking for a payment per lead, which does not mean they will agree to the price I wish to set, and has been set up through another company which they contacted and so I have zero input in those stages
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Same here - zero for a lead - if its viable after 3 cleans I'd pay you the price of the first clean
why wold I pay £10 for a £10 clean that most likely will only ever be a one off
Darran
your not paying £10 for a £10 clean. your paying £10 for the phone to ring. That call could be a bungalow or it could be a mansion, it could also be any size commercial work. Sales and pricing is up to you.
Let me phrase it this way, how much on average does it cost you in advertising to get 1 call? please exclude anything that provides terrible quality calls such as FB group posting etc
let me phrase it to you why would I pay for the phone to ring when the job maybe 20 odd miles from where I work - or in an area that's outside my normal working area ? - my advertising brings work right into the areas I already have work
Darran
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Same here - zero for a lead - if its viable after 3 cleans I'd pay you the price of the first clean
why wold I pay £10 for a £10 clean that most likely will only ever be a one off
Darran
your not paying £10 for a £10 clean. your paying £10 for the phone to ring. That call could be a bungalow or it could be a mansion, it could also be any size commercial work. Sales and pricing is up to you.
Let me phrase it this way, how much on average does it cost you in advertising to get 1 call? please exclude anything that provides terrible quality calls such as FB group posting etc
let me phrase it to you why would I pay for the phone to ring when the job maybe 20 odd miles from where I work - or in an area that's outside my normal working area ? - my advertising brings work right into the areas I already have work
Darran
1. you wouldn't. That wouldn't be a qualified lead.
2. The site is ranked locally. not globally. Most calls come from the local area and will be routed to a Window Cleaner that serves that area.
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The difference for me is that I sell my services the way I want. I introduce myself, explain the way I operate to avoid confusion. Build a rapor with them from the off. I can get to spot the bad ones and how to handle them by the way I question them.
Can't do that with leads. Plus my advertising costs tend to be no more than half the price of the first clean.
Big difference is that a customer is talking to the experts and the people they are dealing with from the word go.
Sorry but these things have always failed in the past.
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Could someone find this your chappie a link to the last lot that promoted this (OMO - or whatever there name was - cheers)
Just a heads up. - its been done before - its failed before - save your time and money
Darran
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Wind up me thinks
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What about the window cleaners reward, I think it was. Where window cleaners pay into it to have leads given and ranked by the customer and the customer receives rewards etc
Or something to that effect. They added further incentives and when they tried to sell their ideas to the window cleaners after they are launching it, realised that the vast majority of window cleaners dread the very idea of it!
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I get about 25 leads a month, all from my website or magazine advertising (which I decided to do this year).
Out of those 25 leads, I would say 5 are good, the other 20 are crap.
The crap ones include:
first floor flats,
second floor flats,
one off cleans,
I'm moving cleans,
can I have them done by Sunday (bbq) cleans,
I think I might want them done again, but not sure, cleans
student house cleans,
my window cleaner stopped coming cleans (some of these aren't bad),
old people cleans, actually very old, (where you have to repeat yourself 3 times for every sentence),
terraced houses, you have to come through the house cleans,
we look after a managed property and would like a quote for 3 times a year cleans,
out of my area cleans,
don't mind my 4 dogs, cleans
I was recommended cleans (by a customer I dumped 2years ago) cleans,
I don't speak any English cleans,
I don't like that pole thingy, cleans
I like to be in when you come, cleans
I don't like leaving my gate unlocked, cleans.
Now, all these crap cleans are given (for free) to my mate Dan who is starting out window cleaning.
He gets experience and some cash in his pocket, I get taken out for a meal now and again, a few drinks and put in a taxi home.
I certainly wouldn't sell these enquiries...and I certainly wouldn't buy them!
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I fear we won't hear from Brandon again .......
Darran
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Im beginning to suspect he’s not who he says he is 😜
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I get about 25 leads a month, all from my website or magazine advertising (which I decided to do this year).
Out of those 25 leads, I would say 5 are good, the other 20 are crap.
The crap ones include:
first floor flats,
second floor flats,
one off cleans,
I'm moving cleans,
can I have them done by Sunday (bbq) cleans,
I think I might want them done again, but not sure, cleans
student house cleans,
my window cleaner stopped coming cleans (some of these aren't bad),
old people cleans, actually very old, (where you have to repeat yourself 3 times for every sentence),
terraced houses, you have to come through the house cleans,
we look after a managed property and would like a quote for 3 times a year cleans,
out of my area cleans,
don't mind my 4 dogs, cleans
I was recommended cleans (by a customer I dumped 2years ago) cleans,
I don't speak any English cleans,
I don't like that pole thingy, cleans
I like to be in when you come, cleans
I don't like leaving my gate unlocked, cleans.
Now, all these crap cleans are given (for free) to my mate Dan who is starting out window cleaning.
He gets experience and some cash in his pocket, I get taken out for a meal now and again, a few drinks and put in a taxi home.
I certainly wouldn't sell these enquiries...and I certainly wouldn't buy them!
Post of the month.
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I get about 25 leads a month, all from my website or magazine advertising (which I decided to do this year).
Out of those 25 leads, I would say 5 are good, the other 20 are crap.
The crap ones include:
first floor flats,
second floor flats,
one off cleans,
I'm moving cleans,
can I have them done by Sunday (bbq) cleans,
I think I might want them done again, but not sure, cleans
student house cleans,
my window cleaner stopped coming cleans (some of these aren't bad),
old people cleans, actually very old, (where you have to repeat yourself 3 times for every sentence),
terraced houses, you have to come through the house cleans,
we look after a managed property and would like a quote for 3 times a year cleans,
out of my area cleans,
don't mind my 4 dogs, cleans
I was recommended cleans (by a customer I dumped 2years ago) cleans,
I don't speak any English cleans,
I don't like that pole thingy, cleans
I like to be in when you come, cleans
I don't like leaving my gate unlocked, cleans.
Now, all these crap cleans are given (for free) to my mate Dan who is starting out window cleaning.
He gets experience and some cash in his pocket, I get taken out for a meal now and again, a few drinks and put in a taxi home.
I certainly wouldn't sell these enquiries...and I certainly wouldn't buy them!
Now that's the truth.
Getting leads isn't that difficult, finding the ones who suit how you work is.
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Good luck in your new venture but we wouldn’t pay anything for leads we generate more work than we need or want from our web site , I turn down far more work than I take on , you have got me thinking now maybe I should look at selling them on .
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If possible try and edit post to also have a £0.00 option.
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If possible try and edit post to also have a £0.00 option.
I was thinking the same. Maybe the market reasearch is through rose tinted glasses. Pointless.
The more I think of it the more I think its a wind up. You have only just signed up on here and started your market research. Yet why have you set the business up with this so called all singing and dancing website first?
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Same here - zero for a lead - if its viable after 3 cleans I'd pay you the price of the first clean
why wold I pay £10 for a £10 clean that most likely will only ever be a one off
Darran
your not paying £10 for a £10 clean. your paying £10 for the phone to ring. That call could be a bungalow or it could be a mansion, it could also be any size commercial work. Sales and pricing is up to you.
Let me phrase it this way, how much on average does it cost you in advertising to get 1 call? please exclude anything that provides terrible quality calls such as FB group posting etc
I don't like to shoot anyone down in flames, especially someone who is trying to start a small business. I have quite a lot of customers who first contacted me via our local 'Do you know?' Facebook page, and not only have they turned out to be good customers, they have repeatedly recommended and been instrumental in generating more customers for me. They are local, and the cost of getting each one was zero.
My phone rings so often during the day that I have to ignore it or else I'd get nothing done! So in both instances, why would I (or anyone) pay for their phone to ring? And that is not even taking into account that the lead isn't a guarantee of getting the job for any number of reasons,.
I also get a lot of calls for other services such as power washing, painting etc., and I simply pass them on for free to guys I know who provide these services, and they return the favour to me.
In the words of Peter Jones (Dragons Den) I will say that I wish you all the very best, but sadly I am going to say that I'm out.
John
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how much would I pay for a lead?
nothing £000000
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Same here - zero for a lead - if its viable after 3 cleans I'd pay you the price of the first clean
why wold I pay £10 for a £10 clean that most likely will only ever be a one off
Darran
your not paying £10 for a £10 clean. your paying £10 for the phone to ring. That call could be a bungalow or it could be a mansion, it could also be any size commercial work. Sales and pricing is up to you.
Let me phrase it this way, how much on average does it cost you in advertising to get 1 call? please exclude anything that provides terrible quality calls such as FB group posting etc
I don't like to shoot anyone down in flames, especially someone who is trying to start a small business. I have quite a lot of customers who first contacted me via our local 'Do you know?' Facebook page, and not only have they turned out to be good customers, they have repeatedly recommended and been instrumental in generating more customers for me. They are local, and the cost of getting each one was zero.
My phone rings so often during the day that I have to ignore it or else I'd get nothing done! So in both instances, why would I (or anyone) pay for their phone to ring? And that is not even taking into account that the lead isn't a guarantee of getting the job for any number of reasons,.
I also get a lot of calls for other services such as power washing, painting etc., and I simply pass them on for free to guys I know who provide these services, and they return the favour to me.
In the words of Peter Jones (Dragon's Den) I will say that I wish you all the very best, but sadly I am going to say that I'm out.
John
It sounds to me like the O/P is doing a college or university business course and is looking for feed back. I maybe wrong though but he does differentiate between ordinary leads and qualified leads. Qualified leads is training course speak IMO. If he is then the problem with these courses is that many of the tutors have no clue of what happens in the real world - a lot like politicians.
His first statment says a lot
THIS IS MARKET RESEARCH ONLY PLEASE DO NOT MESSAGE ME ASKING FOR THESE LEADS..
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Then surely OP needs to be upfront with a statement to that fact and ask for opinions
I'd be more than happy to go through the different types of advertising ive don't - what worked what failed etc..
my impression. was another office wallah who thinks they can earn big bucks my offering leads to us neanderthal window cleaners that barely knows what a zx81 is or can't understand business
( which is wrong big time - there are many very well informed and intelligent people on this forum )
Darran
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still no lnk to his web page ;D ;D ;D ;D